Police Use Taser On UF Student During Kerry Speech

[radioguy]

I'm really curious to what the people here on this forum think of this incident that happened at a John Kerry speaking engagement.

YouTube video of the incident (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE)

Video from local NBC affiliate (http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250)

Story (http://www.nbc6.net/news/14135533/detail.html)


This should be interesting.

[Linkster]

he should have left the podium like he was told - he's an idiot

[radioguy]

he should have left the podium like he was told - he's an idiot

What do you know... For the first time tonight we're in agreement.

That anti-war conspiracy idiot was asked to stop, refused to do so, then resisted the police officers trying to escort him out of the building. He got exactly what he deserved.

I particularly liked the way he cried like a baby when the police got him wrestled down on the floor. That was almost as good as his "they're going to kill me" line of typical conspiracy crap he was spouting on the way out the door. :lmao2:

[disrupter]

He asked rational, if leading questions.

no one said stop or anything, these police thugs just started rushing the guy.
Kerry was getting ready to answer him, before he was assaulted.

This is the kind of confrontation politicians NEED.
If more people had the cajones to challenge these corporate shills right to their faces instead of playing patty cake with them they might actually start working for people again.

radioguy, you & these thug policepersons don't understand the first thing about a free & civil society.

You belong in a cave with Bin Laden.

You are unfit to be an American.

I would sue that city & its cops until they had to admit their moral bankruptcy.

[Linkster]

I was kinda misled by the first youtube video and the story - I was under the impression that he had used up his alloted time and evidently after watching a youtube video of the full exchange he had only been at the podium for 20 seconds
Second - I think there will be some disciplinary action taken against the officers as I dont believe you are allowed to use a taser after a suspect is handcuffed and on the ground by their procedures

[TheCenturion]

He asked rational, if leading questions.

no one said stop or anything, these police thugs just started rushing the guy.
Kerry was getting ready to answer him, before he was assaulted.

This is the kind of confrontation politicians NEED.
If more people had the cajones to challenge these corporate shills right to their faces instead of playing patty cake with them they might actually start working for people again.

radioguy, you & these thug policepersons don't understand the first thing about a free & civil society.

You belong in a cave with Bin Laden.

You are unfit to be an American.

I would sue that city & its cops until they had to admit their moral bankruptcy.

Welcome to the new USSA and behold its 30% population of knuckle dragging slavering thugs and war addicts for whom King Bush can do no wrong. They love anything violent, tyrannical and repressive ..especially if it assaults anyone or anything that challenges the monolithic authority of The State. And these putrid little right-wing commie rodents have the gall to call others anti-American? Ha! What a joke.

[disrupter]

shocking.

after he was rushed, for doing absolutely nothing other than asking questions, which presumably was what this was for.

he lifted his arms as the cops tried to manhandle him,
he didn't throw punches as far as i could see.

I realize i didn't see what went prior to this,
but from what i saw this is just SO wrong.

And no one even stepped in to question these aggressive police.

America wake up. Are you so frightened of vigorous, spirited genuinely challenging debate?

Are you so intellectually, mentally disarmed by someone in a uniform, or waving a flag or holding a 'certified' political office?

Stand fucking up. this is the people's nation.

if you won't you no longer deserve to be free americans,
you will end up in the ever encroaching police state.

YOU protect freedom
NOT police, NOT military, NOT government, & NOT even the courts.
If YOU don't do it it won't get done.

If it takes vigilantism then join the fucking vigilantes.
When the system doesn't support the people it is no longer the people's system.

Iraq doesn't matter,
THIS matters.

[radioguy]

I was kinda misled by the first youtube video and the story - I was under the impression that he had used up his alloted time and evidently after watching a youtube video of the full exchange he had only been at the podium for 20 seconds
Second - I think there will be some disciplinary action taken against the officers as I dont believe you are allowed to use a taser after a suspect is handcuffed and on the ground by their procedures

HUH? The video from the NBC affiliate, which came in sometime after the guy has started, showed him on mic for one minute and 20 seconds before they cut the power to it.

His final two statements were "Clinton got impeached over a blow job, so why not impeach Bush" and "were you a member of skull and bones in college with Bush. Were you in the same secret society..." then the mic was cut. He was told his time was up before hand, and those last comments were both vulgar and insulting to Kerry, so he was being escorted out of the building.

Then in typical kook fashion, he resisted the officers that were trying to remove him from the auditorium. He went as far as to get physical with the officers and was then wrestled to the ground. At that point he was told to put his hands behind his back, but he wouldn't comply. The female officer clearly warned him, that if he didn't calm down and put his hands behind his back, that she would tazer him. Like a moron, he continued to make a scene and would not put his arms behind his back.

HE GOT EXACTLY WHAT HE DESERVED!

The time to dispute an arrest is in front of the judge. This ass hole decided that he would fight the officers and that is what lead to his tazering and his arrest. Whether a person is guilty or not, is not for them to decide when confronted by police. This jerk had absolutely no respect for the authority of law enforcement, and got off easy in my opinion.

[disrupter]

He is simply asking a lot of questions that should have been asked at least 4 to 6 years ago.

I salute him.

you, radioguy want a nation of sycophants like Saddam had himself surrounded by.

Get your ass to Baghdad or to Bin Laden's cave where you & these thug police belong.

[TheCenturion]

He is simply asking a lot of questions that should have been asked at least 4 to 6 years ago.

I salute him.

you, radioguy want a nation of sycophants like Saddam had himself surrounded by.

Get your ass to Baghdad or to Bin Laden's cave where you & these thug police belong.

Should we be surprised at any brand of demented sewage that smells of totalitarian fascist repression spewing from the keyboard of some right-wing rat vermin like Radiocreep? I think not. What's more nauseating than anything else about these vicious war mongering scumbags, though, is their predictability.

[Bill]

It's interesting that it's making the news bigtime today.

My reaction was, "Whattya expect - it's a Florida university.".

I expect we'll be hearing more about this soon.

[Moby]

It looks like it was mishandled by everyone.

1. He should have sat down
2. When he refused the cops should have escorted him out.
3. He resisted being escorted out
4. The cops were obviously poorly trained for not being able to walk this guy out
5. Once he was cuffed they should have taken him outside

This is horse shit all the way around. Yes, the guy was obviously wrong but the police were obviously not qualified to handle the situation.

[Independent Harry]

It seems to me that everyone there was out of hand. Kerry offered to answer the guys questions. Instead the police bum rushed him, they think that it's ok to arrest someone for taking too much time on a microphone. Becaues that's what this was. The resisting comes in when someone tells you that you can't speak anymore. Please, these cops overstepped their bounds, and Kerry was going to answer the question. This whole thing was blown out of proportion by people that are trained to do one thing...taze people that don't follow their every word.

[Bill]

I think what's most interesting in this case was radioguy's (and by extension the neocon) attempt at frameing a moral argument.

What do you figure his moral argument was?

Respect for authority - the kid exceeding his time limit, and deserved tasering because he wasn't sufficiently obedient to the campus cops?

So, an obedience argument?

I suspect he was trying to conflate Kerry with the campus cops, and create a strawman - "Look - Kerry is against freedom of speech too, see, he has guards yasering a kid asking about skull and bones and impeachment".

[Smurf-Herder]

This was done for public consumption.

[disrupter]

attack dogs attack,

that is why one calls them attack dogs,

And America seems to have fallen to the dogs,

the mercenary dogs.

[TheCenturion]

How does one protect themselves when the criminals have badges?

[TheCenturion]

Kerry Complicit In Bush's Crimes

by Paul Craig Roberts

Naïve Americans who think they live in a free society should watch the videos filmed by students at a John Kerry speech Sept. 17, Constitution Day, at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

At the conclusion of Kerry's speech, Andrew Meyer, a 21-year-old journalism student, was selected by Sen. Kerry to ask a question. Meyer held up a copy of BBC investigative reporter Greg Palast's book Armed Madhouse and asked if Kerry was aware that Palast's investigations determined that Kerry had actually won the election. Why, Meyer asked, had Kerry conceded the election so quickly when there were so many obvious examples of vote fraud? Why, Meyer went on to ask, was Kerry refusing to consider Bush's impeachment when Bush was about to initiate another act of military aggression, this time against Iran?

At this point the public's protectors – the police – decided that Meyer had said too much. They grabbed Meyer and began dragging him off. Meyer said repeatedly "I have done nothing wrong," which under our laws he had not. He threatened no one and assaulted no one.

But the police decided that Meyer, an American citizen, had no right to free speech and no constitutional protection. They threw him to the floor and Tasered him right in front of Kerry and the large student audience, who captured on video the unquestionable act of police brutality. Meyer was carted off and jailed on a phony charge of "disrupting a public event."

The question we should all ask is why did a United States senator just stand there while Gestapo goons violated the constitutional rights of a student participating in a public event, brutalized him in full view of everyone, and then took him off to jail on phony charges?

Kerry's meekness not only in the face of electoral fraud, not only in the face of Bush's wars that are crimes under the Nuremberg standard, but also in the face of police goons trampling the constitutional rights of American citizens makes it completely clear that he was not fit to be president, and he is not fit to be a U.S. senator.

Usually when police violate constitutional rights and commit acts of police brutality they do it when they believe no one is watching, not in front of a large audience. Clearly, the police have become more audacious in their abuse of rights and citizens. What explains the new fearlessness of police to violate rights and brutalize citizens without cause?

The answer is that police, most of whom have authoritarian personalities, have seen that constitutional rights are no longer protected. President Bush does not protect our constitutional rights. Neither does Vice President Cheney, nor the attorney general, nor the U.S. Congress. Just as Kerry allowed Meyer's rights to be Tasered out of him, Congress has enabled Bush to strip people, including American citizens, of constitutional protection and incarcerate them without presenting evidence.

How long before Kerry himself or some other senator will be dragged from his podium and Tasered?

The Bush Republicans with complicit Democrats have essentially brought government accountability to an end in the U.S. The U.S. government has 80,000 people, including ordinary American citizens, on its "no-fly list." No one knows why they are on the list, and no one on the list can find out how to get off it. An unaccountable act by the Bush administration put them there.

Airport security harasses and abuses people who do not fit any known definition of terrorist. Nalini Ghuman, a British-born citizen and music professor at Mills College in California, was met on her return from a trip to England by armed guards at the airplane door and escorted away. A Gestapo goon squad tore up her U.S. visa, defaced her British passport, body-searched her, and told her she could leave immediately for England or be sent to a detention center.

Professor Ghuman, an Oxford University graduate with a Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley, says she feels like the character in Kafka's book The Trial. "I don't know why it's happened, what I'm accused of. There's no opportunity to defend myself. One is just completely powerless." Over one year later there is still no answer.

The Bush Republicans and their Democratic toadies have, in the name of "security," made all of us powerless. While Sen. John Kerry and his Democratic colleagues stand silently, the Bush administration has stolen our country from us and turned us into subjects.

[Smurf-Herder]

The lastest on the "Taser Guy" from the MSM is .......

......... He was joking about it afterwards, had somebody video it for him, to put on his web site; and he's done this kind of thing before.

[Linkster]

First off - you must watch some off the wall MSM - as none of the major networks are carrying anything about that

Second - this brought up another incident that I remembered - and heres a link for you - lets see if you will criticize this one also:
http://www.boycottlasvegas.com/

[disrupter]

Haven't you ever watched 'Cops'?

Right there on cam the cops all use their bodies to hide from the camera their needless brutality, kicking, beating, & punching of arrested suspects.

I suppose modern cops are better than the uniformed thugs from the Tammany Hall era, but only marginally,
given half a chance they would rapidly degenerate into exactly that same kind of behavior again.

Cops have to be kept on short leashes to be worth a darn for a semi-civilized society.

[opinionator]

Haven't you ever watched 'Criminals'? Cops know that the very second they relax, or let down their guard, they will be kicked in the groin or worse. Basically, they will be injured, which, believe it or not, is not part of the job.

Few people have been so badly in need of a tasing as this attention-seeking mutant, as he himself proclaimed afterwards.

[disrupter]

You NAZI traitor.

He was exercising free speech & asking pointedly relevant questions.

He was rushed, assaulted & then after subdued, he was tased.

YOU are unfit to be an American.
YOU belong in the caves with Bin Laden or in Saddam's dictatorial state.

Why don't you go find a state run by animals where you belong,
away from civilization, where free speech is a right of an open & free political process.

You want a lawless, UNCONSTITUTIONAL police state.

You are a criminal, advocating, unconstitutional actions & subverting the constitutional will of the people.

Get back to your hole, animal.