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serum114
08-07-2010, 09:32 PM
New York's Rebatable Bailout
by Ralph Nader

You can't make up the following realities in New York State! Note the following series of events driven by the preposterous plutocrats and see if you get steamed.

Greed, power, reckless speculation and theft of other peoples' money by Wall Streeters collapsed the U.S. economy into a deep recession that started in 2007-08.

These super-rich Wall Street banksters looted and drained trillions of worker pensions and mutual fund savings while nationwide eight million jobs were lost.

Panicked that their overweening avarice was pushing their companies over the cliff, the banksters rushed to Washington, terrified members of Congress with the help of ex-Goldman Sachs CEO turned Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and propelled the Bush White House into a series of massive taxpayer bailouts and guarantees amounting to trillions of dollars during the last quarter of 2006.

By the end of 2009, the Wall Street welfarists were recording once again record profits and sky-high bonuses. Month after month it became clear that the banks were not lending to small and larger businesses to get the economy moving again-a major reason give for the bailouts.

A good slice of the money went to bonuses, mergers and other empire building by the remaining five giant conglomerate banks. Today these banks are sitting on mountains of cash and many credit-worthy businesses and startups still cannot get loans.

As the Fiscal Policy Institute wrote in April: "Essential services like fire departments and schools, recession-buffering social safety net programs like homeless prevention and senior services, and critical infrastructure systems like hospitals, roads and mass transit all face severe cutbacks.

"But Wall Street is not suffering from the budget catastrophe or from the crash. ...The financial industry rang up $61.4 billion in profits for 2009 alone-that is nearly triple Wall Street's previous record. These are truly windfall profits-they are courtesy of the taxpayer-funded bailout [and federal policies uniquely privileging the big banks with virtually free money] and not because the big banks made money from financing the recovery of American businesses. Never before has Wall Street made so much money from doing so little for economic and job growth."

Making money from speculation instead of from investment is exactly what the legendary British economist, John Maynard Keynes, warned about almost eighty years ago in arguing for a securities transaction tax.

The conditions where many regular New Yorkers live are grim. Poverty, unemployment, home foreclosures, and small business bankruptcies keep growing.

On the other side of the tracks, the top twenty-five hedge fund managers recorded an average of $1 billion each, or over $80 million each a month in 2009. Quite a quick rebound on the backs of American taxpayers and privileged tax policies.

Low-moderate and middle-income New Yorkers already pay a higher percentage of family income in state and local taxes than do the richest one percent of New Yorkers!

Surprisingly, there is a simple way to eliminate the state deficit and prevent tens of thousands of layoffs and large service cutbacks.

What most New Yorkers do not know is that for about a century there has been a state stock transfer tax on purchases of securities. This year, this tax, similar to ones imposed in 30 other countries, will amount to about $16 billion. Amazingly, since 1979, this tax has been instantly rebated by New York State back to the brokers or clearinghouses who paid it. A 100% rebate every year for the bailed out industry that caused the recession and its immense human damage.

Obviously the stock exchanges and their brokers wield big political power. Flush with arrogance, bailouts and profits, they have no shame. So after blocking a tax on those unconscionable bonuses that outraged so many Americans, the securities industry has made sure that neither the Democratic nor Republican candidates for Governor utter a peep about retaining this $16 billion in tax revenues to get the state out of its dire straits.

One man, Howie Hawkins from Syracuse, NY, is challenging both the big boys on Wall Street and the duopolists' candidates. He is the Green Party candidate for Governor, nicknamed the Green Hornet. Pollinating truth and justice across the State, this ex-Marine, author, long-time citizen advocate, working blue collar teamster and public interest thinker, challenged Mr. Cuomo's self-imposed taboo:

"Why is Mr. Cuomo, the anointed front runner, hiding the Stock Transfer Tax from the public when it is an obvious way to bridge the state budget deficit? Why does he rule out higher taxes on the rich when they have more money than ever, why won't he make them pay their fair share, when they'll still be rich after paying their fair share?"

All the politicians in Albany act like we're out of money and debate over what services to cut, all the while refusing to tell New Yorkers about the $16 billion they hand back to Wall Street speculators," he added.

Mr. Cuomo is a recipient of campaign contributions from hedge fund managers.

Take any poll. Betcha New Yorkers overwhelmingly support Mr. Hawkins' position (see: www.howiehawkins.com). Unfortunately, the two major parties predictably exclude him from any debates this fall.

If you are a New Yorker, and after reading this you are less indignant than you would be were you overcharged by a cab driver or were hurled a racist or ethnic slur from some passerby, it is unlikely you'll hustle up a neighborhood or workplace petition to demand that your lawmakers in Albany legislate keeping that $16 billion and all the jobs that can be saved with that revenue.

My guess is that if a million New Yorkers sign such petitions in the next three weeks and talk it up where they live in city, town and countryside, they'll win. You'll also signal that you're ready to jettison your political servitude and assert the sovereignty of the people as expressed in our Constitution's preamble-"we the people."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/08/07

John Galt
08-07-2010, 09:53 PM
As they do with all industries, the wealthy like to threaten.

The general concensus is that these traders will move to another state if this tax is imposed.

Meanwhile our moronic gov. is making everyone buy new license plates to raise cash.

ROOK
08-08-2010, 07:13 AM
As they do with all industries, the wealthy like to threaten.

The general concensus is that these traders will move to another state if this tax is imposed.

Meanwhile our moronic gov. is making everyone buy new license plates to raise cash.

LOL.... "the wealthy like to threaten" followed by "our moronic gov. is making everyone",what delicious irony wrapped up in one neat, little package.

I guess it didn't occur to you that if your state government ceased "making" people do things against their will that their might be a lot less impetus for anybody to "threaten" to leave the state.

John Galt
08-08-2010, 08:58 AM
LOL.... "the wealthy like to threaten" followed by "our moronic gov. is making everyone",what delicious irony wrapped up in one neat, little package.

I guess it didn't occur to you that if your state government ceased "making" people do things against their will that their might be a lot less impetus for anybody to "threaten" to leave the state.
Yea...I was considering a move to Pa, just so I wouldn't have to buy a new license plate

ROOK
08-08-2010, 09:17 AM
Yea...I was considering a move to Pa, just so I wouldn't have to buy a new license plate

Did you actually hear the point sailing over your head or did you still have your fingers stuck in your ears?

There's a word that apparently you are unfamiliar with and it's known as "causation", surprisingly enough contemplating it's meaning leads one to the path of understanding why events occur which alleviates the necessity of having to live only with consequences while remaining ignorant of their source.

MintJulep
08-08-2010, 11:13 AM
LOL.... "the wealthy like to threaten" followed by "our moronic gov. is making everyone",what delicious irony wrapped up in one neat, little package.

I guess it didn't occur to you that if your state government ceased "making" people do things against their will that their might be a lot less impetus for anybody to "threaten" to leave the state.+1
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John Galt
08-08-2010, 12:37 PM
Did you actually hear the point sailing over your head or did you still have your fingers stuck in your ears?

There's a word that apparently you are unfamiliar with and it's known as "causation", surprisingly enough contemplating it's meaning leads one to the path of understanding why events occur which alleviates the necessity of having to live only with consequences while remaining ignorant of their source.
Evidently, you haven't learned the difference between the words their, and there.

Nor have you mastered the art of using apostrophes, nor punctuation of any kind.

And yes, 10 years of tax cuts for millionaires, have indeed taught us all the meaning of causation.

But thanks for the masturbatory contribution.

ROOK
08-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Evidently, you haven't learned the difference between the words their, and there.

Nor have you mastered the art of using apostrophes, nor punctuation of any kind.

And yes, 10 years of tax cuts for millionaires, have indeed taught us all the meaning of causation.

But thanks for the masturbatory contribution.

Of course I expected nothing less than a vapid reply from you so I wasn't disappointed, but just out of curiosity, what has "10 years of tax cuts for millionaires" taught "us"?

By the way have you bothered to look up the meaning of "causation" yet and if so do you now understand what it means?

John Galt
08-08-2010, 12:55 PM
Of course I expected nothing less than a vapid reply from you so I wasn't disappointed, but just out of curiosity, what has "10 years of tax cuts for millionaires" taught "us"?

By the way have you bothered to look up the meaning of "causation" yet and if so do you now understand what it means?

Causation.
Take a look around you. That great expanse between the wealthy and the middle class has grown geometrically since Bush's tax cuts went into effect.

I guess trickle down economics has been exposed as a farce.

Time to try something different, and see how it plays out.

Reader's Digest vocabulary words aside, you're clueless.

Independent Harry
08-08-2010, 01:01 PM
Rook, you seem to believe in unfettered free market capititalism. This is one of the major problems I have wth libertarians; history seems to prove wrong again and again that completely free market capitalism is good for any society. Any time the reigns are let loose on corporations, they screw it up for everyone else. Can you point out a time in history where when corporations were given a market that is more free they didn't cause some kind of major financial catastophre?

Can you show me where this has actually worked in the past?

ROOK
08-08-2010, 01:09 PM
Causation.
Take a look around you. That great expanse between the wealthy and the middle class has grown geometrically since Bush's tax cuts went into effect.

Actually it is you that is clueless since you seem to believe that the "Bush tax cuts" (actually tax cuts in general) are the principle causes for the current economic problems, while apparently ignoring all other fiscal and monetary policy decisions that were in fact the greater culprits, perhaps if you try looking beneath the surface you'll find some truths that have been evading you.


I guess trickle down economics has been exposed as a farce.

I'm quite certain it will be the unfettered expansion of government debt and entitlement costs that will be "exposed as a farce" first but then again you'll likely blame the wrong cause when it is.


Reader's Digest vocabulary words aside, you're clueless.
Getting stumped on the big words?

ROOK
08-08-2010, 01:12 PM
Rook, you seem to believe in unfettered free market capititalism.

Actually I don't "seem to believe" in any such thing nor have I explicitly stated or implied it, but don't let that stop you from constructing what I'm sure will turn out to be a most handsome straw man.

Independent Harry
08-08-2010, 01:16 PM
Actually I don't "seem to believe" in any such thing nor have I explicitly stated or implied it, but don't let that stop you from constructing what I'm sure will turn out to be a most handsome straw man.

You haven't made the argument for free market capitalism? Then why don't expound upon what type of economic system you do believe in.

Independent Harry
08-08-2010, 01:17 PM
Actually it is you that is clueless since you seem to believe that the "Bush tax cuts" (actually tax cuts in general) are the principle causes for the current economic problems, while apparently ignoring all other fiscal and monetary policy decisions that were in fact the greater culprits, perhaps if you try looking beneath the surface you'll find some truths that have been evading you.


I'm quite certain it will be the unfettered expansion of government debt and entitlement costs that will be "exposed as a farce" first but then again you'll likely blame the wrong cause when it is.


Getting stumped on the big words?

I didn't get that he thinks the Bush tax cuts were the principle cause for the economic collapse at all from anything he's posted.

John Galt
08-08-2010, 03:43 PM
I didn't get that he thinks the Bush tax cuts were the principle cause for the economic collapse at all from anything he's posted.
Neither did he/she.

It's Rook's own version of a strawman.

MintJulep
08-08-2010, 04:43 PM
Neither did he/she.

It's Rook's own version of a strawman.And Rook makes you look brain-damaged. :lmao2:

Hawkeye2j
08-08-2010, 05:17 PM
And Rook makes you look brain-damaged. :lmao2:
Again Minty showing that wonderful Right Wing wisdom.

Hawkeye2j
08-08-2010, 05:17 PM
Again Minty showing that wonderful Right Wing wisdom.
I'm sorry, should I have included a link for that?

John Galt
08-08-2010, 05:19 PM
And Rook makes you look brain-damaged. :lmao2:
Go ahead...highlight those posts for me.