What do you see when you look at Barrack Obama?

[Mason66]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?

[Bill Cosby]

Uneducated??? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

What is typical mean???

Are you know a "typical Mexican"???

[Mason66]

Uneducated??? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

What is typical mean???

Are you know a "typical Mexican"???

I don't know what you are trying to say.

[Bill Cosby]

I don't know what you are trying to say.

I am asking a question.......... Or rather two.......

What does typical mean........................??

Are you now a typical Mexican???

[Mason66]

I am asking a question.......... Or rather two.......

What does typical mean........................??

Are you now a typical Mexican???

One definition of Typical is

"of the nature of or serving as a type or representative specimen"

No I am definately not a typical Mexican since I am American.

[MarkMiller]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?
I never thought I would see such a blatantly racist comment allowed here....but I guess that's why message boards are dying. Freedom of speech means having to listen to shit spew forth from the mouths of people like this and watch the sites lose members who are simply sick of reading constant hate promoted for no better reason then the stupid glee certain types get from the race baiting.

It's gonna be really interesting in November when the Republicans come face to face with reality. There are far more people saying nothing and not taking part in these propped up polls that will NOT vote for Republicans right now. EVEN DIE HARD REPUBLICAN'S are voting Democrat this November in California. Limbaugh conservatives hate Meg Whitman. Carly Fiorina is a cold heartless outsourser who has a worse reputation than Boxer before she has even won a race, not to mention a loser already, but that doesn't stop a Republican. Your losers are your saints. Sister Sarah for example.

When it happens....I hope it shocks you conservatives to your very soul, if you haven't already sold it to the devil for gold pieces of gold.

[Mason66]

I never thought I would see such a blatantly racist comment allowed here....but I guess that's why message boards are dying. Freedom of speech means having to listen to shit spew forth from the mouths of people like this and watch the sites lose members who are simply sick of reading constant hate promoted for no better reason then the stupid glee certain types get from the race baiting.

It's gonna be really interesting in November when the Republicans come face to face with reality. There are far more people saying nothing and not taking part in these propped up polls that will NOT vote for Republicans right now. EVEN DIE HARD REPUBLICAN'S are voting Democrat this November in California. Limbaugh conservatives hate Meg Whitman. Carly Fiorina is a cold heartless outsourser who has a worse reputation than Boxer before she has even won a race, not to mention a loser already, but that doesn't stop a Republican. Your losers are your saints. Sister Sarah for example.

When it happens....I hope it shocks you conservatives to your very soul, if you haven't already sold it to the devil for gold pieces of gold.

So you admit it.

Barrack Obama is racist.

Wow that didn't take long.

By the way, you didn't answer the question.

[MintJulep]

So you admit it.

Barrack Obama is racist.

Wow that didn't take long.Gee, you sound like a typical white person. ;)

[MintJulep]

I see a condescending liar with a grudge.

[Mason66]

I see a condescending liar with a grudge.

Did you see the trap Mark fell in to?

Your answer is in refferance to my last statement in that he absorbes his enviroment.

He has nothing, not a thing, in his life to have a grudge about. It is all learned behavior.

[MintJulep]

Did you see the trap Mark fell in to? Absolutely. That's why I said "typical white person."

Your answer is in refferance to mu last statement in that he absorbes his enviroment.

He has nothing, not a thing, in his life to have a grudge about. It is all learned behavior.Of course it is, but unsurprising considering the mentors he chose in life.

[nondual]

I never thought I would see such a blatantly racist comment allowed here....but I guess that's why message boards are dying. Freedom of speech means having to listen to shit spew forth from the mouths of people like this and watch the sites lose members who are simply sick of reading constant hate promoted for no better reason then the stupid glee certain types get from the race baiting.

It's gonna be really interesting in November when the Republicans come face to face with reality. There are far more people saying nothing and not taking part in these propped up polls that will NOT vote for Republicans right now. EVEN DIE HARD REPUBLICAN'S are voting Democrat this November in California. Limbaugh conservatives hate Meg Whitman. Carly Fiorina is a cold heartless outsourser who has a worse reputation than Boxer before she has even won a race, not to mention a loser already, but that doesn't stop a Republican. Your losers are your saints. Sister Sarah for example.

When it happens....I hope it shocks you conservatives to your very soul, if you haven't already sold it to the devil for gold pieces of gold.
Well said Mark. :thumbsup:

[SortofLiberal]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?


Mason,

I will get to what I see when I look at Obama after I address what I see in your post. I see someone that is ignorant of the facts. What part of an Ivy League education do you not understand? You do realize he didn't get that education just because his DADDY went there like that moron conservatives put in office that took us from "peace and prosperity" which is a direct quote from how George W. Bush described the country the day he was sworn in to the brink of another Great Depression which is another statement taken directly from George W. Bush when asking for money for those on Wall Street back in October of 2008. Conservatives were so proud of themselves because they put an "AVERAGE" student in the White House and look how well that worked out. I don't see that many Fortune 500 companies looking for the average Joe to run their companies and yet conservatives think that it is wise to elect some beer swilling moron to run our country. Well, if George W taught us anything, it was that we do need the smartest kid in the class when it comes to running our Great Nation.

Now to Obama. When I look at President Obama, I see a well educated man who has worked hard to get where he is. He is well spoken and gives thought to what he says. I have never seen a Republican go into the kind of open questioning that President Obama did taking the questions of Republicans on Healthcare. He took each question and answered it fully, thoughtfully and intelligently. Unlike Bush and Palin, he does not brag about being uninformed. I see a man that cares more about this country than he does about his personal advancement. I see a man that is working hard to bring us back from the massive disaster of the Bush years. I see a man of compassion that actually cares about those of this country that are suffering and is doing everything he can to help them, but is being hindered by the hatemongering of the conservative RIGHT. I see a man that would accomplish a lot to get this country back on its feet if the Republicans did not misuse the filibuster for political advantage since the majority of people in this country do not realize that the majority party and the President can only accomplish things if they have a filibuster proof majority. It is the President that is to blame when bad bills get passed since he can veto, but it is the minority party's responsibility when good bills do not get passed because of their use of procedures to keep them from coming to a vote.

I, for one, am amazed at all President Obama has gotten accomplished in spite of the game being played by Republicans to try to make it look like he is not keeping his campaign promises.

I see a man that loves his family and only has ONE family, unlike many Republicans that have had to step down in disgrace.

I see a man that those of the world respect after years of Americans having to apologise for the stupidity of a sitting President during the Bush years. It is a shame when Americans have to deny their country when traveling abroad or face hate and abuse. A friend of mine has a son that works for an American company with offices in Belgium. Any time she would go to visit him during the Bush years, he instructed her that if anything ever came up that she needed help from locals or the police, tell them she is from any country other than the US.

What I see in President Obama is a breath of fresh air after two administrations of nothing, but rancid stench.

And by the way . . . what is a typical BLACK man? How racist are you?

[nondual]

Mason,

I will get to what I see when I look at Obama after I address what I see in your post. I see someone that is ignorant of the facts. What part of an Ivy League education do you not understand? You do realize he didn't get that education just because his DADDY went there like that moron conservatives put in office that took us from "peace and prosperity" which is a direct quote from how George W. Bush described the country the day he was sworn in to the brink of another Great Depression which is another statement taken directly from George W. Bush when asking for money for those on Wall Street back in October of 2008. Conservatives were so proud of themselves because they put an "AVERAGE" student in the White House and look how well that worked out. I don't see that many Fortune 500 companies looking for the average Joe to run their companies and yet conservatives think that it is wise to elect some beer swilling moron to run our country. Well, if George W taught us anything, it was that we do need the smartest kid in the class when it comes to running our Great Nation.

Now to Obama. When I look at President Obama, I see a well educated man who has worked hard to get where he is. He is well spoken and gives thought to what he says. I have never seen a Republican go into the kind of open questioning that President Obama did taking the questions of Republicans on Healthcare. He took each question and answered it fully, thoughtfully and intelligently. Unlike Bush and Palin, he does not brag about being uninformed. I see a man that cares more about this country than he does about his personal advancement. I see a man that is working hard to bring us back from the massive disaster of the Bush years. I see a man of compassion that actually cares about those of this country that are suffering and is doing everything he can to help them, but is being hindered by the hatemongering of the conservative RIGHT. I see a man that would accomplish a lot to get this country back on its feet if the Republicans did not misuse the filibuster for political advantage since the majority of people in this country do not realize that the majority party and the President can only accomplish things if they have a filibuster proof majority. It is the President that is to blame when bad bills get passed since he can veto, but it is the minority party's responsibility when good bills do not get passed because of their use of procedures to keep them from coming to a vote.

I, for one, am amazed at all President Obama has gotten accomplished in spite of the game being played by Republicans to try to make it look like he is not keeping his campaign promises.

I see a man that loves his family and only has ONE family, unlike many Republicans that have had to step down in disgrace.

I see a man that those of the world respect after years of Americans having to apologise for the stupidity of a sitting President during the Bush years. It is a shame when Americans have to deny their country when traveling abroad or face hate and abuse. A friend of mine has a son that works for an American company with offices in Belgium. Any time she would go to visit him during the Bush years, he instructed her that if anything ever came up that she needed help from locals or the police, tell them she is from any country other than the US.

What I see in President Obama is a breath of fresh air after two administrations of nothing, but rancid stench.

And by the way . . . what is a typical BLACK man? How racist are you?
:thumbsup: All true.

The problem with Mason is that he probably can't understand most of what Obama says. :)

[slowhand]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mnWImtRTo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mnWImtRTo)

[Trinnity]

I never thought I would see such a blatantly racist comment allowed here....but I guess that's why message boards are dying. Freedom of speech means having to listen to shit spew forth from the mouths of people like this and watch the sites lose members who are simply sick of reading constant hate promoted for no better reason then the stupid glee certain types get from the race baiting.

It's gonna be really interesting in November when the Republicans come face to face with reality. There are far more people saying nothing and not taking part in these propped up polls that will NOT vote for Republicans right now. EVEN DIE HARD REPUBLICAN'S are voting Democrat this November in California. Limbaugh conservatives hate Meg Whitman. Carly Fiorina is a cold heartless outsourser who has a worse reputation than Boxer before she has even won a race, not to mention a loser already, but that doesn't stop a Republican. Your losers are your saints. Sister Sarah for example.

When it happens....I hope it shocks you conservatives to your very soul, if you haven't already sold it to the devil for gold pieces of gold.
Knee slapping funny. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
Seriously, your gay universe colors your perspective to the point that you aren't realistic. It's gonna be a shock for you in November, and 2012. Nero is harming our economy and even Hillary is thinking of challenging him for the nomination. Unprecedented in modern times. :happy:

[olddude]

I really can't answer this question truthfully because everytime I look at this dude I get a sick feeling in my tummy and have to turn it off. When I hear him speak that finishes the job the look started. I can't listen to him because what he says is the same thing commie crap that has been regurgitated over and over from far left wing socialist over and over. Quite frankly I've heard it all before but he says it in a way that really makes me sick to my tummy.

He's not uneducated he just has not ever learned anything about real life. He's the typical over educated liberal that never has or never will realize what life is all about. To him and the other career students the world is about them and what the world can do for them. He's never had a job or anything that resembles one. He calls himself a community organizer,whatever the hell that is and other than that he ain't done shit. The chicago mob got him into politics and after 7 long hard months in office he became the first black man to ever become the president of these here United States. Yee HAA!!

He and the curruptdeCrits managed to somehow get everyone forget about his total lack of experience during the campaign and not pay attention to anything he said he was going to do to this country. He some how managed to totally put some voo doo ass spell on to people where they could see him but what he said didn't seem to register. I'm not saying he is some kind of a witch doctor with a big ol bag of magic dust or anything but the dude was good. I ain't taking that away from him.

I don't know if it was the magic dust or those beady eyes of his or maybe it was just that the coruptdeCrits had done such a bang up job of ripping ol George Bush a new azz hole. Maybe a combination of all three. BUT, i'll never say this guy is uneducated.

No sir, he has been educated but the best that the American liberal education system can offer. He was also educated in the art of effective racism from his favorite preacher man and the likes of jessie and al. Also graduated from the chicago university of mob mentality on how to get ahead if all you have to go on is being black. Yes sir, a mind is a terrible thing to waste and I see his social justice mentors worked on this little beady eyed dude overfarkingtime.

It seems they are getting their moneys worth and before the magic dust wears off they may just get what they want. With a couple more social justice judges under his belt and and freeing of all the millions of illegals in this country they just may have the country firmly by the gonads more so than most believe they already had.

when I look at this dude I see pretty much the same as what the left is and always been, a sad scab on America's ass only this scab is starting to fester and puss up and I'm afraid they have not created a antibiotic for this festering sore yet. HUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM, maybe some magic beans would be in order.

[nondual]

I really can't answer this question truthfully because everytime I look at this dude I get a sick feeling in my tummy and have to turn it off. When I hear him speak that finishes the job the look started. I can't listen to him because what he says is the same thing commie crap that has been regurgitated over and over from far left wing socialist over and over. Quite frankly I've heard it all before but he says it in a way that really makes me sick to my tummy.

He's not uneducated he just has not ever learned anything about real life. He's the typical over educated liberal that never has or never will realize what life is all about. To him and the other career students the world is about them and what the world can do for them. He's never had a job or anything that resembles one. He calls himself a community organizer,whatever the hell that is and other than that he ain't done shit. The chicago mob got him into politics and after 7 long hard months in office he became the first black man to ever become the president of these here United States. Yee HAA!!

He and the curruptdeCrits managed to somehow get everyone forget about his total lack of experience during the campaign and not pay attention to anything he said he was going to do to this country. He some how managed to totally put some voo doo ass spell on to people where they could see him but what he said didn't seem to register. I'm not saying he is some kind of a witch doctor with a big ol bag of magic dust or anything but the dude was good. I ain't taking that away from him.

I don't know if it was the magic dust or those beady eyes of his or maybe it was just that the coruptdeCrits had done such a bang up job of ripping ol George Bush a new azz hole. Maybe a combination of all three. BUT, i'll never say this guy is uneducated.

No sir, he has been educated but the best that the American liberal education system can offer. He was also educated in the art of effective racism from his favorite preacher man and the likes of jessie and al. Also graduated from the chicago university of mob mentality on how to get ahead if all you have to go on is being black. Yes sir, a mind is a terrible thing to waste and I see his social justice mentors worked on this little beady eyed dude overfarkingtime.

It seems they are getting their moneys worth and before the magic dust wears off they may just get what they want. With a couple more social justice judges under his belt and and freeing of all the millions of illegals in this country they just may have the country firmly by the gonads more so than most believe they already had.

when I look at this dude I see pretty much the same as what the left is and always been, a sad scab on America's ass only this scab is starting to fester and puss up and I'm afraid they have not created a antibiotic for this festering sore yet. HUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM, maybe some magic beans would be in order.
:pokefun: :punchballs:

[Bill Cosby]

One definition of Typical is

"of the nature of or serving as a type or representative specimen"

No I am definately not a typical Mexican since I am American.

Given that I would hardly say he is typical.....

& as far as you........... You are a American/Mexican & in denial... :lmao2:

You ppl are typically all the same........:disbelief: LOL

[Mason66]

Mason,

I will get to what I see when I look at Obama after I address what I see in your post. I see someone that is ignorant of the facts. What part of an Ivy League education do you not understand? You do realize he didn't get that education just because his DADDY went there like that moron conservatives put in office that took us from "peace and prosperity" which is a direct quote from how George W. Bush described the country the day he was sworn in to the brink of another Great Depression which is another statement taken directly from George W. Bush when asking for money for those on Wall Street back in October of 2008. Conservatives were so proud of themselves because they put an "AVERAGE" student in the White House and look how well that worked out. I don't see that many Fortune 500 companies looking for the average Joe to run their companies and yet conservatives think that it is wise to elect some beer swilling moron to run our country. Well, if George W taught us anything, it was that we do need the smartest kid in the class when it comes to running our Great Nation.

Now to Obama. When I look at President Obama, I see a well educated man who has worked hard to get where he is. He is well spoken and gives thought to what he says. I have never seen a Republican go into the kind of open questioning that President Obama did taking the questions of Republicans on Healthcare. He took each question and answered it fully, thoughtfully and intelligently. Unlike Bush and Palin, he does not brag about being uninformed. I see a man that cares more about this country than he does about his personal advancement. I see a man that is working hard to bring us back from the massive disaster of the Bush years. I see a man of compassion that actually cares about those of this country that are suffering and is doing everything he can to help them, but is being hindered by the hatemongering of the conservative RIGHT. I see a man that would accomplish a lot to get this country back on its feet if the Republicans did not misuse the filibuster for political advantage since the majority of people in this country do not realize that the majority party and the President can only accomplish things if they have a filibuster proof majority. It is the President that is to blame when bad bills get passed since he can veto, but it is the minority party's responsibility when good bills do not get passed because of their use of procedures to keep them from coming to a vote.

I, for one, am amazed at all President Obama has gotten accomplished in spite of the game being played by Republicans to try to make it look like he is not keeping his campaign promises.

I see a man that loves his family and only has ONE family, unlike many Republicans that have had to step down in disgrace.

I see a man that those of the world respect after years of Americans having to apologise for the stupidity of a sitting President during the Bush years. It is a shame when Americans have to deny their country when traveling abroad or face hate and abuse. A friend of mine has a son that works for an American company with offices in Belgium. Any time she would go to visit him during the Bush years, he instructed her that if anything ever came up that she needed help from locals or the police, tell them she is from any country other than the US.

What I see in President Obama is a breath of fresh air after two administrations of nothing, but rancid stench.

And by the way . . . what is a typical BLACK man? How racist are you?


After this I have two questions.

What do you do for a living and does racism only work one way for you?

If you see my comment of Tyipcal black man as racist then you must see Obamas use of Typical white person referring to his grandmother as racist as well.

At least you finally admit he is racist.

[Mason66]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mnWImtRTo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mnWImtRTo)

Would you say that somebody that inserts the word UH in every third word when they are reading a teleprompter is articulate?

I don't even want to get started on his wife.

[Mason66]

:thumbsup: All true.

The problem with Mason is that he probably can't understand most of what Obama says. :)

So your opinion is that nobody is as smart as Obama?

I understand everything he says, I just can't stand to hear him talk anymore. It is frustrating to follow his point in between the UHs

I don't know anybody that speaks like that in real life and I would like to know why he does with or without the teleprompter.

[Mason66]

Given that I would hardly say he is typical.....

& as far as you........... You are a American/Mexican & in denial... :lmao2:

You ppl are typically all the same........:disbelief: LOL

Why would you say he was not typical?

Do you think he is better or worse than an average black man, even though he really can't be classified as black, we will go with his self proclaimed racial identity.

[nondual]

Would you say that somebody that inserts the word UH in every third word when they are reading a teleprompter is articulate?

I don't even want to get started on his wife.
Does he use a teleprompter in his interviews? How about during his healthcare meeting with Republicans, where Republicans were allowed to ask any questions, was he using a telepromter? Or during Townhall meetings, does he use a teleprompter while he takes questions from the public?

[Mason66]

Does he use a teleprompter in his interviews? How about during his healthcare meeting with Republicans, where Republicans were allowed to ask any questions, was he using a telepromter? Or during Townhall meetings, does he use a teleprompter while he takes questions from the public?

Why does it matter if he does or does not use the teleprompter. He still does the same thing.

Do you know anybody that needs time to think in between words even when they are their own thoughts?

[nondual]

Do you know anybody that needs time to think in between words even when they are their own thoughts?
That's one of the traits we admire the most. :)

[2T]

Why would you say he was not typical?

Do you think he is better or worse than an average black man, even though he really can't be classified as black, we will go with his self proclaimed racial identity.



define the average black man? and unfortunately the one drop rules would determine - he's a black man

[olddude]

define the average black man? and unfortunately the one drop rules would determine - he's a black man

Well by golly.....he's only half black so I guess that means he's half white too so I wouldn't call him the average black man.......maybe average black race baiter but not a average black dude.

[SortofLiberal]

After this I have two questions.

What do you do for a living and does racism only work one way for you?

If you see my comment of Tyipcal black man as racist then you must see Obamas use of Typical white person referring to his grandmother as racist as well.

At least you finally admit he is racist.

Mason,

If Obama had gone on to describe his Grandmother in derrogetory terms after calling her typical white person, I would agree with you, but he didn't.

[MintJulep]

Mason,

If Obama had gone on to describe his Grandmother in derrogetory terms after calling her typical white person, I would agree with you, but he didn't.Bahahahahahaha. He's a racist. Own it.

[2T]

mint... someone actually has to be a subject of disdain to be a victim of racism, merely recognizing their race ain't it

[doctordog]

I see a con man instructed in the ways and means of Chicago politics that doesn't identify with any race unless it serves his purpose. Kudos to his marketing team during the campaigns for taking advantage of the stupid telling them their actions had nothing to do with their current situations, it was Bush's fault and if elected he could change that. Now we are in 2010 and nothing is better, leaving the sheep that followed this shepard feeling even more bitter than before.

He has spat in the face of the American worker and middle class families and we all see him for the con man he is.

[MintJulep]

mint... someone actually has to be a subject of disdain to be a victim of racism, merely recognizing their race ain't itSo, blanket stereotyping isn't an element of racism?

[2T]

So, blanket stereotyping isn't an element of racism?


blanket stereotyping is a human condition and nothing more. the only element of racism is prejudice

[MintJulep]

blanket stereotyping is a human condition and nothing more. the only element of racism is prejudiceBlanket stereotyping can indicate prejudice. :rolleyes:

[CosmicRocker]

an ambitious ( not a bad quality in a president) , well educated, reform minded agenda.

I also see a lack of experience, but a quick learn, and a reliance on his advisors like HRClinton and Biden 2 relative "hawks" (at least in the DEm. party) who prolly gave bad advice on Afg, and good advice on Iran's ambitions.
It's nice he reached out, but now Amedinejhad is going to meet Karzai.
Karzai is palying Iran ( or trynig to limit their influence by winking at US policy.

We'll be gone, Iran will be the regional superpower, and there was nothing we could ever have done to stop that. No wars, no sanctions.

[Bill Cosby]

Why would you say he was not typical?

Do you think he is better or worse than an average black man, even though he really can't be classified as black, we will go with his self proclaimed racial identity.

Lets see now......... There has been a trillion or so give or take ppl born here in the USA/colonies that could have possibly been the President of the United States of America & out of that horde there has been a bit more than three dozen "men" elected to that position.............

Could anyone call that typical??? WTF????? :disbelief:

[Mason66]

Lets see now......... There has been a trillion or so give or take ppl born here in the USA/colonies that could have possibly been the President of the United States of America & out of that horde there has been a bit more than three dozen "men" elected to that position.............

Could anyone call that typical??? WTF????? :disbelief:

You think Obama was elected because of who he was? That can't be true because nobody knew who he was.

How many people do you think voted FOR him rather than voted AGAINST McCain?

If the Republicans would have had a stronger candidate do you still think Obama would have one?

To this day I think the only reason Clinton won re-election was because he was running agains Bob Dole. (I'm Bob Dole) He had no life left in him and I couldn't see anybody voting for him, but if the Repubs would have had a strong young candidate in '96 Clinton would have been out of there.

[Mason66]

Mason,

If Obama had gone on to describe his Grandmother in derrogetory terms after calling her typical white person, I would agree with you, but he didn't.

Obama went on to say she was scared of black people like a typical white person so that does not qualify? That is not racism? Judging people only based on the color of their skin? Then what is racism?

[Bill Cosby]

You think Obama was elected because of who he was? That can't be true because nobody knew who he was.

How many people do you think voted FOR him rather than voted AGAINST McCain?

If the Republicans would have had a stronger candidate do you still think Obama would have one?

To this day I think the only reason Clinton won re-election was because he was running agains Bob Dole. (I'm Bob Dole) He had no life left in him and I couldn't see anybody voting for him, but if the Repubs would have had a strong young candidate in '96 Clinton would have been out of there.


LOL........... That is a different question now isn't it..........:disbelief:


Lots of ppl voted against mcCain....... He should of thought about that before giving the hug of death....LMAO

& back on topic............................................. ..:thumbsup:

[Mason66]

LOL........... That is a different question now isn't it..........:disbelief:


Lots of ppl voted against mcCain....... He should of thought about that before giving the hug of death....LMAO

& back on topic............................................. ..:thumbsup:

My point was just because he is President doesn't make him special as a person, just that he is in a small group of men that got elected, no matter how.

[SortofLiberal]

Bahahahahahaha. He's a racist. Own it.

Mint,


If he was racist, he would not have the Black Caucus so pissed at him and every Democrat would be a lock for election in November because the black voters would be behind him just like they were when THEY thought he would be THEIR President. It has not worked out that way and he is for ALL Americans. . . even the ones too ignorant to see it.

Since you think he is so biased for the blacks, please tell me one thing that he has done that would support such opinions. My guess is this will be like every other topic that a conservative is asked to put FACTS up to back their ignorance. They will just move on to make some other ignorant unsubstantiated claim and try to pretend they were never asked to put their money where their mouth is.

[SortofLiberal]

I see a con man instructed in the ways and means of Chicago politics that doesn't identify with any race unless it serves his purpose. Kudos to his marketing team during the campaigns for taking advantage of the stupid telling them their actions had nothing to do with their current situations, it was Bush's fault and if elected he could change that. Now we are in 2010 and nothing is better, leaving the sheep that followed this shepard feeling even more bitter than before.

He has spat in the face of the American worker and middle class families and we all see him for the con man he is.


Wayers,

Have you looked at your portfolio lately? I wouldn't say nothing is better. Have you been told lately not to buy gift cards because it is highly likely that the company is not going to be around long enough for you to use it? Have you noticed the economic numbers compared to January 2009? Do you remember how bad things were at the end of the Bush administration? Everyone was scared to spend a dime. Today people are traveling and almost back to normal when you look at those that have jobs. And why do others not have jobs . . . because it is not to the Republicans political advantage to have the recovery work, so they and their buddies in the banking industry are seeing to it that we do NOT have a full recovery. Why do I think this? Because when the watered down financial reform bill passed those on Wall Street said they would not be lending money to small businesses until 2012 at the earliest and it could be even later than that. In other words . . . unless we get our buddies back in office, let the American people be damned. We want people that will let us break laws and take the country into the crapper only to whine until we get bailed out and if we don't get these people back in office, we will let the American people suffer.

But, we all know that conservatives never let little things like documented facts stand in the way of the LIES they are trying to get people to buy. Funny, but the major indicator that keeps our recovery stalled and people from actually creating jobs is "consumer confidence" and consumer confidence stays down in spite of improving numbers for only one reason . . . conservatives keep talking down the recovery for political advantage in November. Let those families without a paycheck be damned as long as it means one more Republican has a political advantage. Let small businesses go under because the major banks won't lend money no matter how good someone's credit score is because it is not to their advantage to have a recovery under a Dem administration who will not let them play their games that led to the mess we ended up in because the Bush administration did nothing to make those in big business act in a responsible manner.

Like Reagan said, any man or party that can't run on their merits should not be voted for and I defy anyone out there to come up with accomplishments by the Republicans over the past decade that would warrant giving them your vote. There is a lot of documented screw ups that would show cause not to vote for them.

[SortofLiberal]

My point was just because he is President doesn't make him special as a person, just that he is in a small group of men that got elected, no matter how.


Mason,

Just because YOU do not see him as special does not mean he isn't. Apparently a hell of a lot of Americans saw him as special since he won and won on his own merit. At least he didn't have to be appointed by the Supreme Court because more Americans voted for the other guy, but those Daddy appointed to the Supreme Court gave you the election and stopped a vote count that did not reflect that outcome.

[2T]

Blanket stereotyping can indicate prejudice. :rolleyes:


it can. but prejudice doesn't always indicate racism either

[nondual]

it can. but prejudice doesn't always indicate racism either
You are making life too complicated for these loonies. :D

[MintJulep]

it can. but prejudice doesn't always indicate racism eitherSo, a statement such as all blacks like watermelon and fried chicken isn't racist. Got it.

[doctordog]

Wayers,

Have you looked at your portfolio lately? I wouldn't say nothing is better. Have you been told lately not to buy gift cards because it is highly likely that the company is not going to be around long enough for you to use it? Have you noticed the economic numbers compared to January 2009? Do you remember how bad things were at the end of the Bush administration? Everyone was scared to spend a dime. Today people are traveling and almost back to normal when you look at those that have jobs. And why do others not have jobs . . . because it is not to the Republicans political advantage to have the recovery work, so they and their buddies in the banking industry are seeing to it that we do NOT have a full recovery. Why do I think this? Because when the watered down financial reform bill passed those on Wall Street said they would not be lending money to small businesses until 2012 at the earliest and it could be even later than that. In other words . . . unless we get our buddies back in office, let the American people be damned. We want people that will let us break laws and take the country into the crapper only to whine until we get bailed out and if we don't get these people back in office, we will let the American people suffer.

But, we all know that conservatives never let little things like documented facts stand in the way of the LIES they are trying to get people to buy. Funny, but the major indicator that keeps our recovery stalled and people from actually creating jobs is "consumer confidence" and consumer confidence stays down in spite of improving numbers for only one reason . . . conservatives keep talking down the recovery for political advantage in November. Let those families without a paycheck be damned as long as it means one more Republican has a political advantage. Let small businesses go under because the major banks won't lend money no matter how good someone's credit score is because it is not to their advantage to have a recovery under a Dem administration who will not let them play their games that led to the mess we ended up in because the Bush administration did nothing to make those in big business act in a responsible manner.

Like Reagan said, any man or party that can't run on their merits should not be voted for and I defy anyone out there to come up with accomplishments by the Republicans over the past decade that would warrant giving them your vote. There is a lot of documented screw ups that would show cause not to vote for them.

If your job is tied to infrastructure and other industry the Bush years were the best years of your lifetime. My debt improved, my earnings improved, my retirement improved. Now the stock market is flat, the growth you see is only making up for the drops months ago, such short term memory you have. As far as banks not lending, that just means they aren't lending to irresponisbile minoritys or single income households with a debt to income ratio higher than 20-25%. Anyone that says what we have now is better than they were 5 years ago is either unemployed, on disability, or just plain dumb.

[nondual]

If your job is tied to infrastructure and other industry the Bush years were the best years of your lifetime. My debt improved, my earnings improved, my retirement improved. Now the stock market is flat, the growth you see is only making up for the drops months ago, such short term memory you have. As far as banks not lending, that just means they aren't lending to irresponisbile minoritys or single income households with a debt to income ratio higher than 20-25%. Anyone that says what we have now is better than they were 5 years ago is either unemployed, on disability, or just plain dumb.
I know. I don't understand what all these people are talking about. During Bush, we ended up with a surplus, low unemployment, a great housing market, no trade deficit, etc.

All you need to do is listen to Rush Limbo to find out! :dunno:

[dsolo802]

If your job is tied to infrastructure and other industry the Bush years were the best years of your lifetime. My debt improved, my earnings improved, my retirement improved. Now the stock market is flat, the growth you see is only making up for the drops months ago, such short term memory you have. As far as banks not lending, that just means they aren't lending to irresponisbile minoritys or single income households with a debt to income ratio higher than 20-25%. Anyone that says what we have now is better than they were 5 years ago is either unemployed, on disability, or just plain dumb.The question is not whether we have it better than 5 years ago, the question is whether or not things are substantially better than they have been since September of 2008, and are moving in the right direction.

Anyone who cannot remember the state of the Economy when the current administration took office is either an acute amnesiac or a raving partisan. Every President should be held responsible for how well they are playing the hand they've been dealt by their predecessors.

[doctordog]

The question is not whether we have it better than 5 years ago, the question is whether or not things are substantially better than they have been since September of 2008, and are moving in the right direction.

Anyone who cannot remember the state of the Economy when the current administration took office is either an acute amnesiac or a raving partisan. Every President should be held responsible for how well they are playing the hand they've been dealt by their predecessors.

So obama is playing his hand correctly by sending his wife on eight lavish vacations while the country is failing, spending huge amounts of borrowed money on health reform to improve 15% of the population, sending borrowed money overseas to help other companies improve their sustainable fuel projects, I don't think so Dsolo. Unemployment is up since he took office even thought he spent money for stimulus that never occurred. My company had a huge year in 08' versus 09'.

[nondual]

Every President should be held responsible for how well they are playing the hand they've been dealt by their predecessors.
I like that. :thumbsup:

[nondual]

My company had a huge year in 08' versus 09'.
Me, myself and I... I got mine, fuck everybody else! Right?

[Mason66]

Me, myself and I... I got mine, fuck everybody else! Right?

How else can a person judge things? By what is happening to themselves.

So according to you, if somebody is doing well they are selfish right?

How much of your personal money do you give away?

[nondual]

How else can a person judge things? By what is happening to themselves.

So according to you, if somebody is doing well they are selfish right?

How much of your personal money do you give away?
Wrong, I judge things by looking at what's happening around me.

Doing well has absolutely nothing to do with being selfish.

[Mason66]

Wrong, I judge things by looking at what's happening around me.

Doing well has absolutely nothing to do with being selfish.

So you are worried about everybody else around you? If they made bad decisions and you made good ones then you should feel guilty for doing well?

That is what you said to Wayers. He is doing well so he is selfish.

I don't understand how a person could get to that mindset.

[nondual]

So you are worried about everybody else around you? If they made bad decisions and you made good ones then you should feel guilty for doing well?

That is what you said to Wayers. He is doing well so he is selfish.

I don't understand how a person could get to that mindset.
No. I am worried about what's happening around me. If people make bad decisions, I want to help figuring out what went wrong. And if I am doing well, I want people to follow me and do as I did. :rolleyes:

[doctordog]

Me, myself and I... I got mine, fuck everybody else! Right?

that is the liberal mindset, fuck with 85% of the country with health insurance to take care of the 15% without. Own it.

[doctordog]

Wrong, I judge things by looking at what's happening around me.

Doing well has absolutely nothing to do with being selfish.

How much do you donate to charity? I bet less than 1% of your income. Liberals have always donated less to the less fortunate but they are all for taxing the hell out of everyone for the less fortunate.

They never lead by example.

[Bill Cosby]

How much do you donate to charity? I bet less than 1% of your income. Liberals have always donated less to the less fortunate but they are all for taxing the hell out of everyone for the less fortunate.

They never lead by example.

I have heard this many times but rarely seen any evidence of it.........

Do you have any???

[Mason66]

I have heard this many times but rarely seen any evidence of it.........

Do you have any???

Joe Biden for one.

Look at his tax returns.

[doctordog]

I have heard this many times but rarely seen any evidence of it.........

Do you have any???

1st link and story:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

WASHINGTON -- Residents of Austin, Texas, home of the state's government and flagship university, have very refined social consciences, if they do say so themselves, and they do say so, speaking via bumper stickers. Don R. Willett, a justice of the state Supreme Court, has commuted behind bumpers proclaiming "Better a Bleeding Heart Than None at All," "Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless Beauty," "The Moral High Ground Is Built on Compassion," "Arms Are For Hugging," "Will Work (When the Jobs Come Back From India)," "Jesus Is a Liberal," "God Wants Spiritual Fruits, Not Religious Nuts," "The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans," "Republicans Are People Too -- Mean, Selfish, Greedy People" and so on. But Willett thinks Austin subverts a stereotype: "The belief that liberals care more about the poor may scratch a partisan or ideological itch, but the facts are hostile witnesses."

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.

Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals' and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and half of America's richest households live in states where both senators are Democrats.

While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon -- a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes. Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." Brooks, however, warns: "If support for a policy that does not exist ... substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others."

In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income, one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.

2nd link

http://digg.com/politics/Conservatives_charitably_donate_30_more_than_liber als_as_a_whole

Conservatives charitably donate 30% more than liberals as a whole?
abcnews.go.com — ABC reports on charitable donations: "It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election... Turns out conservatives give about 30 percent more, [despite] making less money." Hopefully both can give more.

There are more.

[Bill Cosby]

Joe Biden for one.

Look at his tax returns.

he is a democrat, NOT A LIBERAL..........

If you have a chart, poll or whatever that would be nice.......... If not it can wait till another time.........

[2T]

As far as banks not lending, that just means they aren't lending to irresponisbile minoritys or single income households with a debt to income ratio higher than 20-25%. Anyone that says what we have now is better than they were 5 years ago is either unemployed, on disability, or just plain dumb.

its clear you have no understanding of financial markets

[Trinnity]

he is a democrat, NOT A LIBERAL..........
If you think Joe isn't a liberal, you're deluded. Next, you'll be claiming he's not stingy and doesn't say "fuck". :talktothehand:

[Bill Cosby]

If you think Joe isn't a liberal, you're deluded. Next, you'll be claiming he's not stingy and doesn't say "fuck". :talktothehand:

Then I guess I will let you define liberal & we can go from there............ :thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

1st link and story:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

WASHINGTON -- Residents of Austin, Texas, home of the state's government and flagship university, have very refined social consciences, if they do say so themselves, and they do say so, speaking via bumper stickers. Don R. Willett, a justice of the state Supreme Court, has commuted behind bumpers proclaiming "Better a Bleeding Heart Than None at All," "Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless Beauty," "The Moral High Ground Is Built on Compassion," "Arms Are For Hugging," "Will Work (When the Jobs Come Back From India)," "Jesus Is a Liberal," "God Wants Spiritual Fruits, Not Religious Nuts," "The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans," "Republicans Are People Too -- Mean, Selfish, Greedy People" and so on. But Willett thinks Austin subverts a stereotype: "The belief that liberals care more about the poor may scratch a partisan or ideological itch, but the facts are hostile witnesses."

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.

Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals' and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and half of America's richest households live in states where both senators are Democrats.

While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon -- a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes. Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." Brooks, however, warns: "If support for a policy that does not exist ... substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others."

In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income, one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.

2nd link

http://digg.com/politics/Conservatives_charitably_donate_30_more_than_liber als_as_a_whole

Conservatives charitably donate 30% more than liberals as a whole?
abcnews.go.com — ABC reports on charitable donations: "It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election... Turns out conservatives give about 30 percent more, [despite] making less money." Hopefully both can give more.

There are more.


That is essentially that authors opinoin......... In SF they make a lot more & it cost a lot more to live there then a shack in a cornfield........:disbelief:

A small fact left out.....

Not everyone in SF is a liberal, any more than everyone is the corn belt is conserv............

Meaningless labels as far as I am concerned......

It also says poor give more than rich ppl............... As a percent.......

Why do conserv make less many than liberals?? It is cause they live in sf= liberal (that cost of living thing again)???

The neo-cons can't even compete w/ cheap commies.... Lame, pretty lame..:lmao2:

[MintJulep]

Then I guess I will let you define liberal & we can go from there............ :thumbsup:The far-left is what commandeers the democratic party these days, Pelosi, Frank, the Soros Moveon. crew, etc.

The moderate, "blue-dogs" are considered the outliers of that party and why I will never vote for a "democrat" ever again. John F. Kennedy would be considered a "neo-con" by the standards of today's dem party. Too much talk about personal responsibility and loving your country for this Marxist, America-hating crew.

[doctordog]

That is essentially that authors opinoin......... In SF they make a lot more & it cost a lot more to live there then a shack in a cornfield........:disbelief:

A small fact left out.....

Not everyone in SF is a liberal, any more than everyone is the corn belt is conserv............

Meaningless labels as far as I am concerned......

It also says poor give more than rich ppl............... As a percent.......

Why do conserv make less many than liberals?? It is cause they live in sf= liberal (that cost of living thing again)???

The neo-cons can't even compete w/ cheap commies.... Lame, pretty lame..:lmao2:

Over paying for common services is no one's fault but your own. It does not change the fact that liberals give less.

[doctordog]

its clear you have no understanding of financial markets

It is clear you are just hear to troll yet again dadakarma, parade rain or whatever the fuck you want to called.

Go back to rumble and manage your 4 members.:thumbsup:

[MintJulep]

It is clear you are just hear to troll yet again dadakarma, parade rain or whatever the fuck you want to called.

Go back to rumble and manage your 4 members.:thumbsup::lmao2:

I don't think that's her.

[2T]

It is clear you are just hear to troll yet again dadakarma, parade rain or whatever the fuck you want to called.

Go back to rumble and manage your 4 members.:thumbsup:


you realize the mods and admin can see my IP right? in fact I might have introduced myself and given them info to search me if its a concern, but hey you go on with your bad troll hunt'n self... better than actually adding to a discussion with substance, hey?

[olddude]

Wayers,

Have you looked at your portfolio lately? I wouldn't say nothing is better. Have you been told lately not to buy gift cards because it is highly likely that the company is not going to be around long enough for you to use it? Have you noticed the economic numbers compared to January 2009? Do you remember how bad things were at the end of the Bush administration? Everyone was scared to spend a dime. Today people are traveling and almost back to normal when you look at those that have jobs. And why do others not have jobs . . . because it is not to the Republicans political advantage to have the recovery work, so they and their buddies in the banking industry are seeing to it that we do NOT have a full recovery. Why do I think this? Because when the watered down financial reform bill passed those on Wall Street said they would not be lending money to small businesses until 2012 at the earliest and it could be even later than that. In other words . . . unless we get our buddies back in office, let the American people be damned. We want people that will let us break laws and take the country into the crapper only to whine until we get bailed out and if we don't get these people back in office, we will let the American people suffer.

But, we all know that conservatives never let little things like documented facts stand in the way of the LIES they are trying to get people to buy. Funny, but the major indicator that keeps our recovery stalled and people from actually creating jobs is "consumer confidence" and consumer confidence stays down in spite of improving numbers for only one reason . . . conservatives keep talking down the recovery for political advantage in November. Let those families without a paycheck be damned as long as it means one more Republican has a political advantage. Let small businesses go under because the major banks won't lend money no matter how good someone's credit score is because it is not to their advantage to have a recovery under a Dem administration who will not let them play their games that led to the mess we ended up in because the Bush administration did nothing to make those in big business act in a responsible manner.

Like Reagan said, any man or party that can't run on their merits should not be voted for and I defy anyone out there to come up with accomplishments by the Republicans over the past decade that would warrant giving them your vote. There is a lot of documented screw ups that would show cause not to vote for them.

What the heck planet are you reporting on???? Damn son! You might call yourself sort of liberal but you sure have got the gibbs talking points down to a science.:lmao2:

the unemployment numbers have went up 3 points since obungo has been in office. AND,,,,,,the it's Bush's fault war cry is only making him look stewpid! sooner or later boy wonder is going to have to realize this is his economy now. Maybe if he was not so busy golfing and vacationing he would figure out that he is the pres now not Bush.

edit edit edit

(700,000) that should be 131,000 more jobs were lost in July and what I don't understand is how we can lose this many jobs every month and the rate still stay the same. Sounds like somebody might just be cooking the books as far as the numbers go. Oh that's right these are the most ethical bunch of corruptdeCraps that's ever been. WTF was I thinking?:lmao2:

Oh sheet!!....Huston we have a problem! That was a screw up and hopefully you guys can forgive me. I like how they fudge the numbers every month and if they get caught they adjust the them the next month.

Also added:

U.S. jobs market also dims
The U.S. labour market also turned in a dim showing today, with 131,000 jobs lost in July and an unemployment rate holding firm at 9.5 per cent. While the private sector created 71,000 jobs, the public sector lost as 143,000 people hired temporarily for the country's 2010 census ended their work. To make matters worse, the government also revised figures for June, showing a loss of 221,000 jobs instead of the 125,000 reported earlier. The report, which showed the United States continues to struggle with a jobs crisis after the brutal recession, knocked down New York stock futures.

[olddude]

Wrong, I judge things by looking at what's happening around me.

Doing well has absolutely nothing to do with being selfish.

AWWWHAAA! That answers a lot right there bud. No wonder you are so clueless as to what is going on since obungo took office. Take your head out of your azz and really take a look around. It might take a day or two to get your day vision working but try it, it may change the way you look at things. :lmao2: ings.

[nondual]

What the heck planet are you reporting on???? Damn son! You might call yourself sort of liberal but you sure have got the gibbs talking points down to a science.:lmao2:

the unemployment numbers have went up 3 points since obungo has been in office. AND,,,,,,the it's Bush's fault war cry is only making him look stewpid! sooner or later boy wonder is going to have to realize this is his economy now. Maybe if he was not so busy golfing and vacationing he would figure out that he is the pres now not Bush.

700,000 more jobs were lost in July and what I don't understand is how we can lose this many jobs every month and the rate still stay the same. Sounds like somebody might just be cooking the books as far as the numbers go. Oh that's right these are the most ethical bunch of corruptdeCraps that's ever been. WTF was I thinking?:lmao2:
You think that because you post a lie here it automatically turns into fact? That was Cheney's mistake.

George Berkeley was wrong.

Instead of -- to be is to be perceived -- (consciousness precedes matter), it should have been -- to be is to perceive -- (matter precedes consciousness).

[nondual]

AWWWHAAA! That answers a lot right there bud. No wonder you are so clueless as to what is going on since obungo took office. Take your head out of your azz and really take a look around. It might take a day or two to get your day vision working but try it, it may change the way you look at things. :lmao2: ings.
:confused: This time you totally lost me.

[olddude]

You think that because you post a lie here it automatically turns into fact? That was Cheney's mistake.

George Berkeley was wrong.

Instead of -- to be is to be perceived -- (consciousness precedes matter), it should have been -- to be is to perceive -- (matter precedes consciousness).

That wasn't a lie it was a slight malfunction of the teleprompter or the cutNpaster. I fixed it so does that count?

[nondual]

That wasn't a lie it was a slight malfunction of the teleprompter or the cutNpaster. I fixed it so does that count?
Yes, it counts. It dignifies your efforts.

700,000 jobs is what the economy was losing at the time Obama took office, don't forget that. :)

[olddude]

Yes, it counts. It dignifies your efforts.

700,000 jobs is what the economy was losing at the time Obama took office, don't forget that. :)

Well does it make you feel better that we have lost 3.8 million jobs since obungo took office? I know it don't make me feel better.:banghead:

[nondual]

Well does it make you feel better that we have lost 3.8 million jobs since obungo took office? I know it don't make me feel better.:banghead:
Who did you think Obama was, the Messiah?

[doctordog]

you realize the mods and admin can see my IP right? in fact I might have introduced myself and given them info to search me if its a concern, but hey you go on with your bad troll hunt'n self... better than actually adding to a discussion with substance, hey?

What a great idea, why don't add something instead of trolling.:thumbsup:

[doctordog]

That is essentially that authors opinoin......... In SF they make a lot more & it cost a lot more to live there then a shack in a cornfield........:disbelief:

A small fact left out.....

Not everyone in SF is a liberal, any more than everyone is the corn belt is conserv............

Meaningless labels as far as I am concerned......

It also says poor give more than rich ppl............... As a percent.......

Why do conserv make less many than liberals?? It is cause they live in sf= liberal (that cost of living thing again)???

The neo-cons can't even compete w/ cheap commies.... Lame, pretty lame..:lmao2:

didn't see the second link I guess, ABC news reported the same thing.

[AK Gandy]

I don't think that's her.

I can promise that it's not to whomever you're referring.

Methinks the real issue is a concern of having to deal with an intelligent woman. ;)

It's OK though, you'll live.

A lot of us have adapted. :D

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[AK Gandy]

you realize the mods and admin can see my IP right? in fact I might have introduced myself and given them info to search me if its a concern, but hey you go on with your bad troll hunt'n self... better than actually adding to a discussion with substance, hey?

Have you ever noticed 2-T, that those who find themselves wanting in the ability to add meaningful comments to a subject........... like to throw out the "troll" mantra? :rolleyes:

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[Trinnity]

Oooh, she has a back-up dancer.

[AK Gandy]

I came over here hoping to intelligently discuss political issues.

Hopefully you are not a representative of the welcoming committee. :D

Or typical of those who share your political leanings. ;)

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[MintJulep]

Oooh, she has a back-up dancer.The more the merrier! I love to deal with trollettas on ground where they are powerless, sans a troll bandwagon or a ban button. I can make them melt-down faster than a popsicle in the sunshine. :D

[MintJulep]

I came over here hoping to intelligently discuss political issues.

Hopefully you are not a representative of the welcoming committee. :D

Or typical of those who share your political leanings. ;)

.We're all Independent Moderates. :)

[2T]

Have you ever noticed 2-T, that those who find themselves wanting in the ability to add meaningful comments to a subject........... like to throw out the "troll" mantra? :rolleyes:

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seems some here intend to repurpose every thread into a troll hunt.

[AK Gandy]

The more the merrier! I love to deal with trollettas on ground where they are powerless, sans a troll bandwagon or a ban button. I can make them melt-down faster than a popsicle in the sunshine.

Ahhhh, a challenge. :thumbsup:

You might find that not everyone.................... runs crying from verbal bullies. ;)

:D


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[AK Gandy]

We're all Independent Moderates.

Okiedokie. ;)


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[MintJulep]

You might find that not everyone.................... runs crying from verbal bullies. ;)

:D


.That would be me. I don't run from verbal bullies, I make them melt down and then laugh my ass off. :hi: :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

Okiedokie. ;)


.Yeppers. :thumbsup:

[AK Gandy]

Yeppers.

And here I thought, by reading some of your posts, you were a committed........... Regressive. :lmao2:

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[MintJulep]

And here I thought, by reading some of your posts, you were a committed........... Regressive. :lmao2:

.Nope, we're all Independent Moderates here.

I assume you're a Soros moonbat from your support of MaoCare.

[AK Gandy]

Nope, we're all Independent Moderates here.No you're not. ;)

You are, however........one of the first far-right wingnuts I've seen............ that isn't proud of it. :confused:



I assume you're a Soros moonbat from your support of MaoCare.
Not even close. ;)

[doctordog]

seems some here intend to repurpose every thread into a troll hunt.

Only when you contribute nothing but bullshit or insults.

[MintJulep]

No you're not. ;)

You are, however........one of the first far-right wingnuts I've seen............ that isn't proud of it. :confused: No, I'm an Independent Moderate although anyone right of Lenin is extreme to a Soros moonbat.

Not even close. ;)So, you don't support Obamacare? What type of healthcare reform do you favor?

[AK Gandy]

No, I'm an Independent Moderate although anyone right of Lenin is extreme to a Soros moonbat.Yeah, OK.

Keep telling yourself that. ;)



So, you don't support Obamacare? What type of healthcare reform do you favor?
As a matter of fact, I do support the idea that American citizens should have affordable health care.

Every other civilized nation on this planet came to that conclusion a long time ago.

Only those with a "I got mine, screw you" mentality kept it from happening previously.

Although I am not thrilled with a number of provisions in the current bill, and the excessive input of industry influence............I think it is a good start.

And before you make a fool of yourself guessing what my situation is, I'll help you out a bit. ;)

I am 54 years old, retired, have a defined benefit pension for the rest of my life that includes very cheap health insurance.

So, the only way this health care bill may affect me is potentially more taxes at some point.

And I'm OK with that.

It's a small price to pay for taking care of fellow American citizens.

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[doctordog]

Yeah, OK.

Keep telling yourself that. ;)




As a matter of fact, I do support the idea that American citizens should have affordable health care.

Every other civilized nation on this planet came to that conclusion a long time ago.

Only those with a "I got mine, screw you" mentality kept it from happening previously.

Although I am not thrilled with a number of provisions in the current bill, and the excessive input of industry influence............I think it is a good start.

And before you make a fool of yourself guessing what my situation is, I'll help you out a bit. ;)

I am 54 years old, retired, have a defined benefit pension for the rest of my life that includes very cheap health insurance.

So, the only way this health care bill may affect me is potentially more taxes at some point.

And I'm OK with that.

It's a small price to pay for taking care of fellow American citizens.

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If you feel so strongly about it why haven't you been paying for someone else's health insurance outside of your family all this time?

[AK Gandy]

If you feel so strongly about it why haven't you been paying for someone else's health insurance outside of your family all this time?
Supporting charities that help cover basic health care for the poor, is where I have given my money.

Same thing.

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[doctordog]

Supporting charities that help cover basic health care for the poor, is where I have given my money.

Same thing.

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Close but not the same. Many people on the left love the idea of forcing responsible taxpayers to pay more in tax to cover people that made decisions to be without insurance early in life. However, many have never supported even one person outside of their family paying for their insurance. I find it very interesting that liberals as a group make 6% more than conservatives yet contribute 30% less.

[AK Gandy]

What I find interesting, is the need of those on the right to paint with a broad brush.

Your myopic view of those who don't have health insurance, is a prime example. It seems to make the selfish feel better, if they can justify their selfishness. :doh:

Sure, there are those that have chosen to spend their money on luxury items......and I'm not happy about giving them something for free.

However, until there is a fair way to weed them out.........and only give it to those who can't legitimately afford health insurance (farmers/minimum wage earners/small business owners).........dem's da breaks.

[doctordog]

why does anyone deserve a free ride? Many (not all) could make changes where they could afford if they would make some effort.

[AK Gandy]

why does anyone deserve a free ride? Many (not all) could make changes where they could afford if they would make some effort.

In my opinion, it is a cost of having a civilized society.

Why do my taxes have to go toward roads I will never drive on, schools that my children will never go to, wars that I don't agree with, etc., etc.?

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[doctordog]

In my opinion, it is a cost of having a civilized society.

Why do my taxes have to go toward roads I will never drive on, schools that my children will never go to, wars that I don't agree with, etc., etc.?

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You never go anywhere? strange

You never went to school? how can we be a civilized nation without schools?

I don't agree with the last one either.

Free insurance is has nothing to do with a civilized society in my opinion.

[AK Gandy]

You never go anywhere? strangeNow that's pretty funny. :lmao2:

My wife and I just got back from a 10 day trip that took us to Hilton Head SC, Asheville NC, Waynesville NC, Cherokee (Harrah's) NC, Crossville TN, back to Waynesville and then home.

In the last year alone, we have been to Aruba, Gulfport/Biloxi (twice), New Orleans (twice), Blue Ridge Georgia area, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Lake Havasu, New York City, Colorado, New Mexico, Chattanooga, Key West, the locations listed above and......... a whole bunch more closer to home here in Florida.

Having said that, there are still a lot of roads that I have never driven on and if I had your attitude.......shouldn't have to pay for.


You never went to school? how can we be a civilized nation without schools?My taxes pay for schools that I, or my kids, didn't attend. Not to mention, that my kids are grown so why should I have to keep paying?

The reason, of course, is because that is the cost of having a civilized society. ;)



Free insurance is has nothing to do with a civilized society in my opinion.
"Let'em die"....huh? :doh:

You sound just like the ex-Governor (the quitter) of the state I spent 32 years in..........Alaska. :mad:

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[MintJulep]

Just observe as the "truth" trickles out about CommieCare, how much the public turns against it. We're at 60% disapproval now, and I can see that moving up to to 90%. Wait for it. This thing is a bomb, and an unconstitutional one at that.

[doctordog]

Now that's pretty funny. :lmao2:

My wife and I just got back from a 10 day trip that took us to Hilton Head SC, Asheville NC, Waynesville NC, Cherokee (Harrah's) NC, Crossville TN, back to Waynesville and then home.

In the last year alone, we have been to Aruba, Gulfport/Biloxi (twice), New Orleans (twice), Blue Ridge Georgia area, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Lake Havasu, New York City, Colorado, New Mexico, Chattanooga, Key West, the locations listed above and......... a whole bunch more closer to home here in Florida.

Having said that, there are still a lot of roads that I have never driven on and if I had your attitude.......shouldn't have to pay for.


My taxes pay for schools that I, or my kids, didn't attend. Not to mention, that my kids are grown so why should I have to keep paying?

The reason, of course, is because that is the cost of having a civilized society. ;)




"Let'em die"....huh? :doh:

You sound just like the ex-Governor (the quitter) of the state I spent 32 years in..........Alaska. :mad:

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You can't and won't save everyone. Obama fucked 85% of Americans with this reform to help 15%, that is batshit crazy.

You contribute to the wear on the roads but shouldn't pay. Very strange.

[AK Gandy]

I never said I wasn't willing to pay for those I use/used.

Please don't burst my bubble, that you're at least intelligent enough to hold a discussion without using a straw man.

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[doctordog]

I never said I wasn't willing to pay for those I use/used.

Please don't burst my bubble, that you're at least intelligent enough to hold a discussion without using a straw man.

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Please give up your liberal buzz words, first it was racist now we have strawman. I guess you are out of substance already...... good night.

[AK Gandy]

Please give up your liberal buzz words, first it was racist now we have strawman. I guess you are out of substance already...... good night.

Gee, I at least thought you knew what a straw man was. ;)

Guess I gave you too much credit. :doh:

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[dsolo802]

So obama is playing his hand correctly by sending his wife on eight lavish vacationsCome on Wayers, you and I both know that Michelle Obama's spending is not the issue. You are just being a bit petty and mean-spirited here.

while the country is failing, spending huge amounts of borrowed money on health reform to improve 15% of the population,The CBO says you are wrong, pure and simple. How many times has the CBO been the source to which the GOP has turned to back it's positions on legislation? Were they jokers then? Or are they jokers now? Talk about a flip flop!

sending borrowed money overseas to help other companies improve their sustainable fuel projects, You'll have to enlighten me on this one Wayers. What in particular are you talking about?

Unemployment is up since he took office even thought he spent money for stimulus that never occurred. Former vice chairman of the Fed, Alan Blinder, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, would disagree with your assessment of the impact of the stimulus. They conclude that without that stimulus, instead of a jobless recovery from recession we would be deep in the throes of a second Great Depression. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?src=busln

According to them, we now have 8.5 million more jobs than would have been produced had there been no stimulus. Id.

Tell me, what expert in the field can you cite in favor of your speculation about this?

[olddude]

Come on Wayers, you and I both know that Michelle Obama's spending is not the issue. You are just being a bit petty and mean-spirited here.

The CBO says you are wrong, pure and simple. How many times has the CBO been the source to which the GOP has turned to back it's positions on legislation? Were they jokers then? Or are they jokers now? Talk about a flip flop!

You'll have to enlighten me on this one Wayers. What in particular are you talking about?

Former vice chairman of the Fed, Alan Blinder, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, would disagree with your assessment of the impact of the stimulus. They conclude that without that stimulus, instead of a jobless recovery from recession we would be deep in the throes of a second Great Depression. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?src=busln

According to them, we now have 8.5 million more jobs than would have been produced had there been no stimulus. Id.

Tell me, what expert in the field can you cite in favor of your speculation about this?

Well I can claim that I am 7'6" but that don't mean it is so. I never have figured out how obungo can claim he saved 40,000 jobs one day or the next. Just how do they come up with these numbers? Huh? I'm afraid you will have to do better that that......Just how do they know we have 8.5 million jobs than we would have had if they had not blown all that money.?

[nondual]

No you're not. ;)

You are, however........one of the first far-right wingnuts I've seen............ that isn't proud of it. :confused:




Not even close. ;)
Right, they are mostly Teabaggers. Teabaggers which even Ron Paul would run away from. :)

[nondual]

Just observe as the "truth" trickles out about CommieCare, how much the public turns against it. We're at 60% disapproval now, and I can see that moving up to to 90%. Wait for it. This thing is a bomb, and an unconstitutional one at that.
I trust Kaiser Family Foundation numbers, which point to quite the opposite.

[nondual]

Please give up your liberal buzz words, first it was racist now we have strawman. I guess you are out of substance already...... good night.
:lmao2: That's what I call WEAK!

[olddude]

:lmao2: That's what I call WEAK!

Well how many jobs did obungo create today?

[nondual]

Well how many jobs did obungo create today?
Couple days ago they said there were around 80,000 new jobs in the private sector, with over 30,000 of those on manufacturing, while we lost over 200,000 jobs on the public sector. So, it's a mixed bag. :dunno:

[dsolo802]

Well I can claim that I am 7'6" but that don't mean it is so. I never have figured out how obungo can claim he saved 40,000 jobs one day or the next. Just how do they come up with these numbers? Huh? I'm afraid you will have to do better that that......Just how do they know we have 8.5 million jobs than we would have had if they had not blown all that money.?Read their analysis.

And upon whose expert opinion are you relying for the often repeated and never supported position that the stimulus did not work at all?

[2T]

Just observe as the "truth" trickles out about CommieCare, how much the public turns against it. We're at 60% disapproval now, and I can see that moving up to to 90%. Wait for it. This thing is a bomb, and an unconstitutional one at that.


interesting that you place the word truth in "" it belies what you actually are stating. We aren't talking about any form of truth... people still consistantly repost lies of tracking devices /mark of the devil! ... its this crazy minded conspiracy shit that shifts opinion. look you do it right here commiecare you know, if its bad scary bill... why not use its real name and let the bad scary bill's real language speak for itself. instead of this childishness.


Lets talk about the merits of it... eventually the aspects of interstate commerce will be decided by SCOTUS. Until you are confirmed by the senate I'll consider your opinion of constitutionality for what it is...;)

as far as opinion polls, the numbers are not reflecting a commonly held opinion. even at 100% there would likley be no concensus above 49% So.. no, it does not bolster your position

[doctordog]

Come on Wayers, you and I both know that Michelle Obama's spending is not the issue. You are just being a bit petty and mean-spirited here.

The CBO says you are wrong, pure and simple. How many times has the CBO been the source to which the GOP has turned to back it's positions on legislation? Were they jokers then? Or are they jokers now? Talk about a flip flop!

You'll have to enlighten me on this one Wayers. What in particular are you talking about?

Former vice chairman of the Fed, Alan Blinder, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, would disagree with your assessment of the impact of the stimulus. They conclude that without that stimulus, instead of a jobless recovery from recession we would be deep in the throes of a second Great Depression. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?src=busln

According to them, we now have 8.5 million more jobs than would have been produced had there been no stimulus. Id.

Tell me, what expert in the field can you cite in favor of your speculation about this?

Did unemployment raise, yes, did housing recover, no. Did infrastructure get the money promised for projects, NO

People that scream about Haliburton should be jumping up and down now.

[AK Gandy]

Did unemployment raise, yes,Can you prove it wouldn't have been just as bad, or worse, without the federal money? NO.

did housing recover, no. Can you prove it wouldn't have been just as bad, or worse, without the federal money? NO


Did infrastructure get the money promised for projects, NOYES!

I can personally verify that there are a plethora of infrastructure projects going on.

Is it slow in coming due to normal bureaucracy? Yes.


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[doctordog]

Can you prove it wouldn't have been just as bad, or worse, without the federal money? NO.

Can you prove it wouldn't have been just as bad, or worse, without the federal money? NO


YES!

I can personally verify that there are a plethora of infrastructure projects going on.

Is it slow in coming due to normal bureaucracy? Yes.


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Actually talk to the cement, asphalt, and building contractors and get back to me.

[AK Gandy]

Actually talk to the cement, asphalt, and building contractors and get back to me.

So you think the money was supposed to bring them all the way back to the glory days? :doh:

If you don't think that Billions of dollars in stimulus funds, already spent on infrastructure projects are helping out cement, asphalt, and building contractors.........then you're too naive to discuss the subject. :rolleyes:

Either that or............you need to get a new set of acquaintances in the construction industry. :D

I have personally seen a tremendous amount of 'stimulating' going on in the railroad industry............... from the funds.

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[doctordog]

So you think the money was supposed to bring them all the way back to the glory days? :doh:

If you don't think that Billions of dollars in stimulus funds, already spent on infrastructure projects are helping out cement, asphalt, and building contractors.........then you're too naive to discuss the subject. :rolleyes:

Either that or............you need to get a new set of acquaintances in the construction industry. :D

I have personally seen a tremendous amount of 'stimulating' going on in the railroad industry............... from the funds.

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That is not a surprise as democrats pander to the RR industry. The money that supposedly was handed out for roads and new state projects was never realized. Obama is a liar, con artist, that will make him a one term President just like Jimmy Carter.

[AK Gandy]

That is not a surprise as democrats pander to the RR industry.Now that's pretty funny.

You won't find a more conservative industry. :lmao2:


The money that supposedly was handed out for roads and new state projects was never realized.Do you ever provide proof to your opinion? Or is it easier to just blather, opine and try to blow smoke up people you don't think know better?


Obama is a liar, con artist, that will make him a one term President just like Jimmy Carter.
We'll see. ;)

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[doctordog]

We'll see. ;)

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Wake up, open your eyes, you can see now, or maybe not if programming will not allow it.

[AK Gandy]

Wake up, open your eyes, you can see now, or maybe not if programming will not allow it.

I dislike having a Congress and the White House under a single political party.

That old 'checks and balances' thing, ya know.

Having said that, could you please explain why that is exactly the current situation?

Now tell me again........who is drinking the Kool-Aid? :rolleyes:

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[doctordog]

I dislike having a Congress and the White House under a single political party.

That old 'checks and balances' thing, ya know.

Having said that, could you please explain why that is exactly the current situation?

Now tell me again........who is drinking the Kool-Aid? :rolleyes:

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Finally one thing we agree on, unfortunately the Democratic machine used the wars to take as many hostages as possible. We are all paying for it now. I hope that come November checks and balances come back to us.

[AK Gandy]

You still don't get it. :doh:


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[doctordog]

well then I will just toss you in the ignore box with crazy trent

[AK Gandy]

well then I will just toss you in the ignore box with crazy trent

Of course you will. ;)

Can't have anyone that actually calls you on your ignorant statements..........now can we? :lmao2:


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[ROOK]

What do you see when you look at Barrack Obama?

The unacknowledged love child of Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon.

[SortofLiberal]

Did unemployment raise, yes, did housing recover, no. Did infrastructure get the money promised for projects, NO

People that scream about Haliburton should be jumping up and down now.

Wayers,

You need to turn off FOX and drive around the country if you think that infrastructure is not being worked on with stimulus money. I can tell you from personal experience that the stimulus money put shovels in the hands of people that NEEDED a job. I lived on a dirt road for ten years and as soon as the stimulus money was released (after our ignorant Govenor was overridden on accepting the stimulus money) my road was paved. You can rest assured none of this is being done by state funds after George W Bush almost bankrupted every state in the Union with unfunded mandates.

Don't you find it strange that after eight years of Republican federal leadership almost every state finds itself in financial trouble? Doesn't matter if it is a state run by Republicans or Democrats . . . they are all in trouble. Think that could have something to do with Bush cutting Federal Taxes to his rich friends, but then cutting money that states normally got from the Fed to subsidized schools and first responders. If you can believe that fireman that Bush yanked up on that firetruck with him . . . Bush promised more money for first responders, but then not only did not send more money, but cut the funds they had been getting. Then there was the "No Child Left Behind" that cost local schools a fortune to implement, but George W cut federal funding instead of funding this mandatory system.

What happens when states don't have enough money to do all that the federal government has mandated? They start laying off employees.

As for the unemployment numbers, I don't think I would point the finger at Obama quite so quickly. All that changed there was the fact that the Dems would not just let the victims of Bush's poor leadership roll off unemployment just so they would not show up in the unemployment number and cause the numbers to go up like the Republicans did. We still have people without jobs that were unemployed during the Bush years, but did not show up because the Republicans denied them extensions on unemployment, so THEIR numbers would look better.

As for Halliburton and the billions that Bush funneled their way . . . I am not sure what any of this has to do with them other than reminding people of exactly where the $5 Trillion went that Bush added to the National Debt in deficit spending. Hell, if those on Bush's watch had done their job, Obama would not be dealing with this mess in the Gulf. You do realize that Halliburton is the ones that screwed up the cement job that led to the disaster in the Gulf, don't you and it was all done on Bush's watch while he was trying to find every way he could to get money from taxpayer's pockets to Halliburton's bottom line, but we aren't supposed to see any connection to that and the unprecedented severance package that Halliburton gave to Dick Cheney when he decided to run as Vice President. I wonder if he would have gotten that kind of package if he had decided to leave to go to a job that he could not funnel money their way? I think we all know the answer to that one.

[ROOK]

Wayers,

You need to turn off FOX and drive around the country if you think that infrastructure is not being worked on with stimulus money. I can tell you from personal experience that the stimulus money put shovels in the hands of people that NEEDED a job.
Completely irrelevant, make work projects which are not justified by a rational CBA is simply a (costly) transfer of money from one sector to another with no demonstrable positive economic effects. In other words handing someone a shovel to dig a hole that isn't cost justified and/or cannot demonstrate a rational ROI and paying that person with money taken from somebody else not only robs the person that earned the money but all businesses (and thus current and potential employees of those businesses) of the portion of the money that's absorbed by bureaucratic overhead (and graft) that the person would have spent it on as well as robbing the economy of REAL wealth creating potential by wasting resources.

The private sector will always make more rational decisions with respect to the allocation of capital than the public sector will since the private sector actually has a motive for doing so efficiently (profit) and a mechanism for making intelligent decisions regarding where to direct it (price). You'll notice you don't see the private sector making investments into bridges to nowhere or spending money to repair perfectly good sidewalks, unless of course central planners in government hand them somebody else's money to do so.

[nondual]

Completely irrelevant, make work projects which are not justified by a rational CBA is simply a (costly) transfer of money from one sector to another with no demonstrable positive economic effects. In other words handing someone a shovel to dig a hole that isn't cost justified and/or cannot demonstrate a rational ROI and paying that person with money taken from somebody else not only robs the person that earned the money but all businesses (and thus current and potential employees of those businesses) of the portion of the money that's absorbed by bureaucratic overhead (and graft) that the person would have spent it on as well as robbing the economy of REAL wealth creating potential by wasting resources.
You mean you believe fixing and building roads and bridges have no positive economic effects? And how are all those workers going to get to work when the roads are gone? Or how much more money are they going to have to spend on auto repairs because of pot holes? How much more time is going to be wasted on jammed traffic?

Hazlitt is short sighted and stupidly selfish. :)

The private sector will always make more rational decisions with respect to the allocation of capital than the public sector will since the private sector actually has a motive for doing so efficiently (profit) and a mechanism for making intelligent decisions regarding where to direct it (price). You'll notice you don't see the private sector making investments into bridges to nowhere or spending money to repair perfectly good sidewalks, unless of course central planners in government hand them somebody else's money to do so.
The Private Sector Needs a Public Jobs Stimulus

What do I mean? Specifically, the U.S. private sector currently needs substantial, publicly-funded direct job-creation programs in order to get private employers to hire again on the scale needed to significantly reduce unemployment and promote a robust economic recovery.

It’s an argument that I don’t think has been made, at least not adequately, to help advance the debate in favor of large-scale stimulus to create jobs.

Part of the problem is the almost religious belief that the private sector, and only the private sector, can be the engine of job creation. As James Kwak wrote recently, in a somewhat different context:

… the belief that the private sector is the answer to all our problems remains deeply rooted. One might even call it an ideology.

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Read more at:

http://www.workingamerica.org/blog/2010/07/27/the-private-sector-needs-a-public-jobs-stimulus/

[nondual]

You Ask, Joe Biden Answers: Jobs Growth Coming Soon, Stimulus Money Not Being Wasted (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/you-ask-joe-biden-answers-jobs-growth-coming-soon-stimulus-money-not-being-wasted-455966.html)

Tech Ticker lived up to its promise. As part of our exclusive interview with Vice President Joseph Biden, Aaron asked for questions from the audience and from members of an exclusive group -- a classroom of second graders.

Who asked the better questions?

You be the judge.

In response to a question about government's wasteful spending, the Vice President defended the stimulus package, claiming, "Projects are coming in on time and under budget."

When asked by an especially astute student (Aaron's daughter) what he thought the economy would be like in two months, the Vice President focused on jobs and expressed confidence the economy will soon start creating jobs. "I think you're going to be seeing 200,000 jobs created a month" by next September, he said.

And when a student asked about education cuts -- a problem being faced by dozens of states facing looming deficits -- Biden came back to the Recovery Act. "Education is the highest priority for us," he said, noting that $105 billion in the Recovery Act is being targeted for education.

[ROOK]

You mean you believe fixing and building roads and bridges have no positive economic effects? And how are all those workers going to get to work when the roads are gone? Or how much more money are they going to have to spend on auto repairs because of pot holes? How much more time is going to be wasted on jammed traffic?

Hazlitt is short sighted and stupidly selfish. :)

My post was intended for readers capable of reading, comprehending what they read and offering at least a semi-lucid response. If I had intended to direct it to a petulant 3rd grader that believed that attempting to put words into my mouth was a substitute for the above I would have addressed it to you.

[nondual]

My post was intended for readers capable of reading, comprehending what they read and offering at least a semi-lucid response. If I had intended to direct it to a petulant 3rd grader that believed that attempting to put words into my mouth was a substitute for the above I would have addressed it to you.
I asked you three questions, what's wrong with that?

Got off bed on the wrong foot? :)

[olddude]

Wayers,

You need to turn off FOX and drive around the country if you think that infrastructure is not being worked on with stimulus money. I can tell you from personal experience that the stimulus money put shovels in the hands of people that NEEDED a job. I lived on a dirt road for ten years and as soon as the stimulus money was released (after our ignorant Govenor was overridden on accepting the stimulus money) my road was paved. You can rest assured none of this is being done by state funds after George W Bush almost bankrupted every state in the Union with unfunded mandates.

Don't you find it strange that after eight years of Republican federal leadership almost every state finds itself in financial trouble? Doesn't matter if it is a state run by Republicans or Democrats . . . they are all in trouble. Think that could have something to do with Bush cutting Federal Taxes to his rich friends, but then cutting money that states normally got from the Fed to subsidized schools and first responders. If you can believe that fireman that Bush yanked up on that firetruck with him . . . Bush promised more money for first responders, but then not only did not send more money, but cut the funds they had been getting. Then there was the "No Child Left Behind" that cost local schools a fortune to implement, but George W cut federal funding instead of funding this mandatory system.

What happens when states don't have enough money to do all that the federal government has mandated? They start laying off employees.

As for the unemployment numbers, I don't think I would point the finger at Obama quite so quickly. All that changed there was the fact that the Dems would not just let the victims of Bush's poor leadership roll off unemployment just so they would not show up in the unemployment number and cause the numbers to go up like the Republicans did. We still have people without jobs that were unemployed during the Bush years, but did not show up because the Republicans denied them extensions on unemployment, so THEIR numbers would look better.

As for Halliburton and the billions that Bush funneled their way . . . I am not sure what any of this has to do with them other than reminding people of exactly where the $5 Trillion went that Bush added to the National Debt in deficit spending. Hell, if those on Bush's watch had done their job, Obama would not be dealing with this mess in the Gulf. You do realize that Halliburton is the ones that screwed up the cement job that led to the disaster in the Gulf, don't you and it was all done on Bush's watch while he was trying to find every way he could to get money from taxpayer's pockets to Halliburton's bottom line, but we aren't supposed to see any connection to that and the unprecedented severance package that Halliburton gave to Dick Cheney when he decided to run as Vice President. I wonder if he would have gotten that kind of package if he had decided to leave to go to a job that he could not funnel money their way? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Not here in VA. Well you are partly right but not for the reason you to try and promote. VA was in sad shape but it was not because of Bush it was because of the sorry ass demoCrit we had as governor. He ran the state down into the ditch to where we didn't have money to fix the roads.

We fired his sorry ass and got a repub and just like always it took awhile to clean out the garbage that is left behind when demoCrits are allowed to play their games. We are back on track now and for the first time in years we had a surplus.

[SortofLiberal]

Completely irrelevant, make work projects which are not justified by a rational CBA is simply a (costly) transfer of money from one sector to another with no demonstrable positive economic effects. In other words handing someone a shovel to dig a hole that isn't cost justified and/or cannot demonstrate a rational ROI and paying that person with money taken from somebody else not only robs the person that earned the money but all businesses (and thus current and potential employees of those businesses) of the portion of the money that's absorbed by bureaucratic overhead (and graft) that the person would have spent it on as well as robbing the economy of REAL wealth creating potential by wasting resources.

The private sector will always make more rational decisions with respect to the allocation of capital than the public sector will since the private sector actually has a motive for doing so efficiently (profit) and a mechanism for making intelligent decisions regarding where to direct it (price). You'll notice you don't see the private sector making investments into bridges to nowhere or spending money to repair perfectly good sidewalks, unless of course central planners in government hand them somebody else's money to do so.


Rook,

You do realize that it was all those "rational" decisions made by those in the private sector that got us into the mess we find ourselves today, don't you?

Granted, they had the help of the Bush administration who turned a blind eye and allowed them to lie, cheat and steal to the point of undermining the entire world's economy.

Ask the guy that runs the local gas station if he is not helped when the guy that got that paycheck for building a road comes in to buy gas opposed to the lost business when that guy doesn't even have an unemployment check since the Republicans see it is welfare.

Look up the word "stimulus" and you will find that such action does not just impact the family that has a job due to the government money, but all those that benefit from that government money being spent in their communities benefit too. As confidence rises due to this ripple effect it should lead to the creation of more jobs, but unfortunately, the Republicans care more about politics than they do about our country or its people and so their benefactors in the banking industry have made it clear that they plan to sit on their money and refuse to lend until they get the people they have bought and paid for back in office.

And this is the kind of third world government that conservatives support.

The American people need to be protected from these kind of people just like the people of Iraq needed to be protected from the abuses of Saddam Hussein. Granted, it was not our place to do it, but there is no difference between the way he worked and the way conservatives work in this country. You either do what they want or they do everything they can to destroy you and make sure nothing you try to do to improve things gets done. Some even advocate lethal force, but they call themselves Americans. Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves with the knowledge that working families are being held hostage until the Republicans get back in office because corporate America will not help with the recovery for political advantage.

Have you ever noticed that any time we have had conservatives running things that when time passes and you look back, those days are seen as some of the worst in the history of this country?

[2T]

Not here in VA. Well you are partly right but not for the reason you to try and promote. VA was in sad shape but it was not because of Bush it was because of the sorry ass demoCrit we had as governor. He ran the state down into the ditch to where we didn't have money to fix the roads.

We fired his sorry ass and got a repub and just like always it took awhile to clean out the garbage that is left behind when demoCrits are allowed to play their games. We are back on track now and for the first time in years we had a surplus.


you're delusional... This states budget was affected just like every state, by the Federal shortfall. It would not have mattered which party was in office, severe cut backs were made in expenditures BEFORE the election. Name the bills and policy changes that you attribute to McDonnell that make your point. I'm quite certain the economy didn't turn around when your champion declared it confederate history month and left out any mention of slavery. Or when his AG announced that our state colleges could NOT have policies providing equality to everyone...

Our jobs outlook has remained stronger than most because, just like Maryland, we reap the benefits from federal contractors.

[nondual]

Rook,

You do realize that it was all those "rational" decisions made by those in the private sector that got us into the mess we find ourselves today, don't you?

Granted, they had the help of the Bush administration who turned a blind eye and allowed them to lie, cheat and steal to the point of undermining the entire world's economy.

Ask the guy that runs the local gas station if he is not helped when the guy that got that paycheck for building a road comes in to buy gas opposed to the lost business when that guy doesn't even have an unemployment check since the Republicans see it is welfare.

Look up the word "stimulus" and you will find that such action does not just impact the family that has a job due to the government money, but all those that benefit from that government money being spent in their communities benefit too. As confidence rises due to this ripple effect it should lead to the creation of more jobs, but unfortunately, the Republicans care more about politics than they do about our country or its people and so their benefactors in the banking industry have made it clear that they plan to sit on their money and refuse to lend until they get the people they have bought and paid for back in office.

And this is the kind of third world government that conservatives support.

The American people need to be protected from these kind of people just like the people of Iraq needed to be protected from the abuses of Saddam Hussein. Granted, it was not our place to do it, but there is no difference between the way he worked and the way conservatives work in this country. You either do what they want or they do everything they can to destroy you and make sure nothing you try to do to improve things gets done. Some even advocate lethal force, but they call themselves Americans. Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves with the knowledge that working families are being held hostage until the Republicans get back in office because corporate America will not help with the recovery for political advantage.

Have you ever noticed that any time we have had conservatives running things that when time passes and you look back, those days are seen as some of the worst in the history of this country?
They are basically hijacking the economy.

They wish they could turn Americans into something like China's slave population, but we are not as easy as the poor Chinese. :)

[nondual]

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[AK Gandy]

The only drawback to high-speed rail is that we have started 50 years too late.

Purchase/upgrading of right-of-ways, will cost an enormous amount of money now.....compared to what it would have cost, if we were not so in love with our autos and poured so much money into the highway system.

Better late than never though. :thumbsup:

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[ROOK]

You do realize that it was all those "rational" decisions made by those in the private sector that got us into the mess we find ourselves today, don't you?


No, I realize that the irrational decisions you're referring to were brought about by economic interventionism on the part of central planners in government pursuing irrational fiscal and monetary policies, which when coupled with taxation and regulatory favoritism will invariably lead to problems.

Businesses have an incentive to avoid making irrational decisions, it's called bankruptcy unfortunately when market signals are disrupted by politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers what would otherwise seem irrational appears to be the best course of action. Individual decisions work the same way, for example, if government provides artificial incentives for individual consumption at the expense of savings an increase in personal bankruptcies and foreclosures will inevitably ensue.

[AK Gandy]

No, I realize that the irrational decisions you're referring to were brought about by economic interventionism on the part of central planners in government pursuing irrational fiscal and monetary policies, which when coupled with taxation and regulatory favoritism will invariably lead to problems.That was but one facet of the underlying impetus, shoving us into this mess.




Businesses have an incentive to avoid making irrational decisions, it's called bankruptcy unfortunately when market signals are disrupted by politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers what would otherwise seem irrational appears to be the best course of action. Individual decisions work the same way, for example, if government provides artificial incentives for individual consumption at the expense of savings an increase in personal bankruptcies and foreclosures will inevitably ensue.
You don't have a clue of how financial institutions really work.........do you?

"Irrational decisions" are made all of the time, if it results in short term massive gains called "bonuses."

If someone can make 5-10-20+ million in one year, even if it puts their clients in a precarious long term position........they will most often do it.

Unless of course, there are rules that restrict this type of behavior.

I am a strong advocate that any bonuses in the financial sector............ be based on a rolling 3 year average of the gains made by the clients.

That is the only way to ensure that the 'hit-it-and-run' mentality is held in check.



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[dsolo802]

Did unemployment raise,Nopes. Nopes. Nopes. Why do we disagree? Because you claim to measure what is attributable to the current Administration but you don't take into account the fact that our economy was in total free fall when this Administration took office. You omit that tiny detail.

Again: The total job loss from which we are all currently suffering would have been 8.7 million jobs worse had there been no stimulus. That is what two indisputably reputable economists have concluded based on the hard data.

There is no economist - not one - you can cite, who would claim as Republicans and TeaNutters do, that the stimulus had no positive impact on our economy and simply increased the debt.

A debate where you say, "did not," and I say, "did too" is not much of a debate. I've got a basis for making my claim. What's yours?

[olddude]

You Ask, Joe Biden Answers: Jobs Growth Coming Soon, Stimulus Money Not Being Wasted (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/you-ask-joe-biden-answers-jobs-growth-coming-soon-stimulus-money-not-being-wasted-455966.html)

Tech Ticker lived up to its promise. As part of our exclusive interview with Vice President Joseph Biden, Aaron asked for questions from the audience and from members of an exclusive group -- a classroom of second graders.

Who asked the better questions?

You be the judge.

In response to a question about government's wasteful spending, the Vice President defended the stimulus package, claiming, "Projects are coming in on time and under budget."

When asked by an especially astute student (Aaron's daughter) what he thought the economy would be like in two months, the Vice President focused on jobs and expressed confidence the economy will soon start creating jobs. "I think you're going to be seeing 200,000 jobs created a month" by next September, he said.

And when a student asked about education cuts -- a problem being faced by dozens of states facing looming deficits -- Biden came back to the Recovery Act. "Education is the highest priority for us," he said, noting that $105 billion in the Recovery Act is being targeted for education.

I can see that ol joe is getting smarter. He probably needs to stick to pre school and probably much more than 2nd or 3rd graders to get his ideas from. Even in the 2nd grade class probably over half the class is already smarter than that dumb sack of crap.

[doctordog]

Nopes. Nopes. Nopes. Why do we disagree? Because you claim to measure what is attributable to the current Administration but you don't take into account the fact that our economy was in total free fall when this Administration took office. You omit that tiny detail.

Again: The total job loss from which we are all currently suffering would have been 8.7 million jobs worse had there been no stimulus. That is what two indisputably reputable economists have concluded based on the hard data.

There is no economist - not one - you can cite, who would claim as Republicans and TeaNutters do, that the stimulus had no positive impact on our economy and simply increased the debt.

A debate where you say, "did not," and I say, "did too" is not much of a debate. I've got a basis for making my claim. What's yours?

that is bullshit dsolo, we would not have been 8.7 million jobs worse. The reason we saw the increase in unemployment is Obama and the administration lied. That money never went where it was designed to go. It was a con job from start to finish. Come November this arrogant Congress is going to reap what it has sewn.

[dsolo802]

that is bullshit dsolo. Neither the CBO nor two pro business experts in the field agree with your conclusion.

Which expert in the field agrees with you?

[doctordog]

Neither the CBO nor two pro business experts in the field agree with your conclusion.

Which expert in the field agrees with you?

this one, she quit:

Christina Romer, chairwoman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers
:lmao2:

[dsolo802]

this one, she quit:

Christina Romer, chairwoman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers
:lmao2:Very funny.

You can be certain she agree with her own vision and policy.

What expert does agree with your position?

[doctordog]

Very funny.

You can be certain she agree with her own vision and policy.

What expert does agree with your position?

PCA, NORA, NAPA, and I think the steel and paper industry as well.

[Cookie]

What do I see? A man who is in over his head.

A man who wasn't straightforward with the voters - who had an insidious agenda to take us toward a gov that would dismantle the foundations of liberty, personal freedom, and private property ownership.

A man who takes advantage of his position by living in the lap of luxury while Americans are suffering a nearly 10% unemployment rate, with other areas double that. A man and his wife who take numerous expensive vacations while citizens struggle to feed their families.

A man who says, by his actions, "Do as I say, not as I do." A man who places more value on his political aspirations and goals than telling the truth.

That's who I see. :(
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[Trinnity]

What do I see? A man who is in over his head.

A man who wasn't straightforward with the voters - who had an insidious agenda to take us toward a gov that would dismantle the foundations of liberty, personal freedom, and private property ownership.

A man who takes advantage of his position by living in the lap of luxury while Americans are suffering a nearly 10% unemployment rate, with other areas double that. A man and his wife who take numerous expensive vacations while citizens struggle to feed their families.

A man who says, by his actions, "Do as I say, not as I do." A man who places more value on his political aspirations and goals than telling the truth.

That's who I see. :(
Ditto, what she said ^. :thumbsup:

[MintJulep]

What do I see? A man who is in over his head.

A man who wasn't straightforward with the voters - who had an insidious agenda to take us toward a gov that would dismantle the foundations of liberty, personal freedom, and private property ownership.

A man who takes advantage of his position by living in the lap of luxury while Americans are suffering a nearly 10% unemployment rate, with other areas double that. A man and his wife who take numerous expensive vacations while citizens struggle to feed their families.

A man who says, by his actions, "Do as I say, not as I do." A man who places more value on his political aspirations and goals than telling the truth.

That's who I see. :(1476

Outstanding and spot-on! :thumbsup:

[T-Cat]

Not here in VA. Well you are partly right but not for the reason you to try and promote. VA was in sad shape but it was not because of Bush it was because of the sorry ass demoCrit we had as governor. He ran the state down into the ditch to where we didn't have money to fix the roads.

We fired his sorry assHow did you fire his sorry ass? He wasn't impeached.

and got a repub and just like always it took awhile to clean out the garbage that is left behind when demoCrits are allowed to play their games. We are back on track now and for the first time in years we had a surplus.Be sure to put an asterisk on Virginia's budget surplus (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/29/AR2010072905212.html)

Some highlights:

The asterisk looms even larger when you examine the fine print. The state points out that better-than-expected individual and corporate tax collections were the immediate causes of the $220 million surplus in the state's $14.2 billion general fund. But that unexpected tonic was dwarfed by the deluge of revenue from the federal stimulus package, which alone added about $700 million to the state's Medicaid program last year. With the stimulus money running out fast, more austerity is probably on the horizon.

On his way to declaring a surplus, Mr. McDonnell, a Republican, also benefited from some budgetary legerdemain, and not just his own. For instance, thanks to a measure approved by his Democratic predecessor, Timothy M. Kaine, Virginia speeded up its sales tax collections from the state's 1,000 largest retailers, shifting $227 million in revenue from the current fiscal year into the one just ended. In a similar vein, Mr. McDonnell postponed $135 million in payments to the Virginia Retirement System for public employees, which were due in the last quarter of the fiscal year.

Both those maneuvers will cost the state when it returns to a regular sales tax collection schedule and repays its retirement system. Nonetheless, they allowed the governor to sidestep some extremely unpleasant budgetary choices for the time being. Without them, Mr. McDonnell would have had to raise across-the-board taxes, which he has vowed not to do, or made further draconian cuts to a budget already pulverized by the economic downturn.

...

In the past three years, more than $7 billion in cumulative spending has been lopped from Virginia budgets, dealing severe blows to the state's colleges and universities; its ability to build and maintain roads and bridges; its support for localities and schools; and social services of every description. Despite inflation, aging infrastructure, a growing population and the widespread social needs caused by the recession, Virginia is spending no more than it did four years ago. The small surplus that Mr. McDonnell declared will not even begin to make a dent in any of that. What it will do is produce a one-time, 3 percent bonus for more than 100,000 state employees -- their first raise in three years -- and free a little more money for schools and cleaning the Chesapeake Bay. Like they say, a large asterisk.

[Libertarian94]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?


You are a bigoted son of a bitch.

[Mason66]

You are a bigoted son of a bitch.

So you are another one that admits Obama is a what did you say?

"bigoted son of a bitch"

Good for you for finally admitting it.

[Dale escondido]

Rook,


Have you ever noticed that any time we have had conservatives running things that when time passes and you look back, those days are seen as some of the worst in the history of this country?

Kinda like the period from Reagan to Clinton?

[nondual]

Racist people are dumb and ignorant.

[AK Gandy]

Racist people are dumb and ignorant.

Yes but, they serve as great............... 'bad examples.'

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[MintJulep]

Racist people are dumb and ignorant.Yes, but as you can see, it isn't wise to put one in the Oval Office.

[nondual]

Yes, but as you can see, it isn't wise to put one in the Oval Office.
Obama is racist but you are not, right?

[dsolo802]

PCA, NORA, NAPA, and I think the steel and paper industry as well.Can you give the name of any economist of even middling repute, from the organizations you mention or otherwise, who thinks the stimulus did not help the economy. Just give me one name: Which economist agrees with your position?

Given that you and several others here think the economy has been destroyed as a result of stimulus and TARP, it should be child's play to produce at least one, right?

[MintJulep]

Obama is racist but you are not, right?Of course I am. I strongly oppose the "healthcare" plan and the rest of the job-killing policies of this administration, thereby making me a racist.

It's all racism, straight up.:thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

Mason,

Just because YOU do not see him as special does not mean he isn't. Apparently a hell of a lot of Americans saw him as special since he won and won on his own merit. At least he didn't have to be appointed by the Supreme Court because more Americans voted for the other guy, but those Daddy appointed to the Supreme Court gave you the election and stopped a vote count that did not reflect that outcome.
He won mainly because he fit the narrative that the MSM was pushing. They were looking for an "historic" election and they promoted him the entire way thru fluff reporting and sitting on damaging stories. The MSM was as complicit in this election as a get away driver would be in a bank robbery.

[Mason66]

Mason,

Just because YOU do not see him as special does not mean he isn't. Apparently a hell of a lot of Americans saw him as special since he won and won on his own merit. At least he didn't have to be appointed by the Supreme Court because more Americans voted for the other guy, but those Daddy appointed to the Supreme Court gave you the election and stopped a vote count that did not reflect that outcome.

SOL

Since my opinion is the only one that is important to me I stick by my statement. Even if he wasn't president I wouldn't want to be in the same room as him. A know nothing that acts like he knows everything is not worth my time.

You want to analyze who voted for him?

OK

The blacks voted for him because of the color of his skin, for the most part.

As far as the other groups, how many voted against McCain as opposed to voting for Obama.

Have you ever talked to anybody that voted for him based on his record or because they just wanted "change"?

Don't be fooled into thinking people think he is special, he just wasn't Bush or McCain.

And bashing Bush again just doesn't work anymore. Try a more intelligent line of discussion.

[BlueSpoon]

I see a typical black man. I see an uneducated man who has trouble talking with out an UH in between every three words.

I see a man who absorbes the enviroment that is around him.

What do you see when you look at him?
Ears. I see ears. ;)

[SortofLiberal]

SOL

Since my opinion is the only one that is important to me I stick by my statement. Even if he wasn't president I wouldn't want to be in the same room as him. A know nothing that acts like he knows everything is not worth my time.

You want to analyze who voted for him?

OK

The blacks voted for him because of the color of his skin, for the most part.

As far as the other groups, how many voted against McCain as opposed to voting for Obama.

Have you ever talked to anybody that voted for him based on his record or because they just wanted "change"?

Don't be fooled into thinking people think he is special, he just wasn't Bush or McCain.

And bashing Bush again just doesn't work anymore. Try a more intelligent line of discussion.


Mason,

I was about as anti-Obama as anyone on this board right up until the shit hitting the fan in September 08. As I watched McCain doing a very bad impression of John Wayne and running off to Washington halfcocked without a clue as to what was happening or any knowledge of what needed to be done to deal with it, I had to watch Obama and judge how he reacted to such dire circumstances and came away very impressed. He did not go on a glory hunt in front of the cameras. He called in anyone and everyone that could give him insight into what was happening and informed views on how to deal with it. He did not jump to conclusions and run to be first in line to put his mug in front of a camera. He came up with thoughtful and effective ways to help the current President try to get us back on an even kiel.

It was at that point that I realized that he was far from an empty suit and was willing to work with anyone that could give a helping hand if it would help our country and the American people. He has continued to try to work with any and all and it is far from his fault that the Republicans have put politics ahead of what is good for our country and for the American people.

Just look at how many bills have been shut down by Republicans that could have helped those out of work or in need in this country. I could be wrong, but the last number that I heard was over 140 filibusters to keep the country in the tank because if the recovery works, the Republicans have no chance to getting back in power, so let the American people be damned, just as long as it puts the Republican Party and conservatives at political advantage. Do a litte checking and you will find that Republicans have filibustered more bills during the Obama administration than all the other filibusters added together. Can you say OBSTRUCTIONISTS?

People voted for change and they would have change if the Republicans put country ahead of party.

You have to understand . . . if a bad bill passes, it is the fault of the President for not using his veto power. If good bills do not get passed in a Congress that does not have a filibuster proof majority, the failure of the bill to pass is the fault of the minority party. So, if you are not happy with the way things are in our country today, you have only the Republican party to blame.

[Smurf-Herder]

When I look at Obama, I only see the biggest con-man in modern US history. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Mason66]

Mason,

I was about as anti-Obama as anyone on this board right up until the shit hitting the fan in September 08. As I watched McCain doing a very bad impression of John Wayne and running off to Washington halfcocked without a clue as to what was happening or any knowledge of what needed to be done to deal with it, I had to watch Obama and judge how he reacted to such dire circumstances and came away very impressed. He did not go on a glory hunt in front of the cameras. He called in anyone and everyone that could give him insight into what was happening and informed views on how to deal with it. He did not jump to conclusions and run to be first in line to put his mug in front of a camera. He came up with thoughtful and effective ways to help the current President try to get us back on an even kiel.

It was at that point that I realized that he was far from an empty suit and was willing to work with anyone that could give a helping hand if it would help our country and the American people. He has continued to try to work with any and all and it is far from his fault that the Republicans have put politics ahead of what is good for our country and for the American people.

Just look at how many bills have been shut down by Republicans that could have helped those out of work or in need in this country. I could be wrong, but the last number that I heard was over 140 filibusters to keep the country in the tank because if the recovery works, the Republicans have no chance to getting back in power, so let the American people be damned, just as long as it puts the Republican Party and conservatives at political advantage. Do a litte checking and you will find that Republicans have filibustered more bills during the Obama administration than all the other filibusters added together. Can you say OBSTRUCTIONISTS?

People voted for change and they would have change if the Republicans put country ahead of party.

You have to understand . . . if a bad bill passes, it is the fault of the President for not using his veto power. If good bills do not get passed in a Congress that does not have a filibuster proof majority, the failure of the bill to pass is the fault of the minority party. So, if you are not happy with the way things are in our country today, you have only the Republican party to blame.

So you voted against McCain rather than for Obama. OK

When I read the highlighted part, I read it to say you think he is strong because he ran to get advice from anybody and everybody, because he knows nothing nor has any personal experience in running anything.

Do you really want a President that does what other people suggest instead of having his own thoughts and experience? In this case we really don't know who is really calling the shots since the head guy cannot make a decision himself.

I am glad you are happy with your decision. I hope that didn't sound snide. I really am glad you are happy with your decision. I just think a little integrity goes along way, and if McCain had nothing else, he had integrity.

You think the Republicans are purposely trying to keep the economy down to win elections? That is pretty low. Do you not realize that their money is gone as well and if the economy comes back they will do well too? You must have a pretty low opinion of the Republicans.

As far as the fillibusters, there are two sides to every story. You see things how you like and other people see things differently.

[Bill Cosby]

When I look at Obama, I only see the biggest con-man in modern US history. Nothing more, nothing less.

:melodramatic:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/time/2375-1.jpg

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/84d1552b16e9d86db59664cc2458a629/President-Gerald-Ford-and-family.jpg

Lest we forget....................:lmao2:

[Dale escondido]

:melodramatic:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/time/2375-1.jpg

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/84d1552b16e9d86db59664cc2458a629/President-Gerald-Ford-and-family.jpg

Lest we forget....................:lmao2:

Nixon was a troubled man, low self esteem with kennedy envy.
But a con man?
Obama still win the slight of hand awards.

[Bill Cosby]

Nixon was a troubled man, low self esteem with kennedy envy.
But a con man?
Obama still win the slight of hand awards.

He wasn't a crook either, he said so...........

[Mason66]

Nixon was a troubled man, low self esteem with kennedy envy.
But a con man?
Obama still win the slight of hand awards.

Has any other President come in to office with such a clear agenda of how he wanted to change the country?

I can't remember any.

Can you?

[Dale escondido]

He wasn't a crook either, he said so...........
Your problem my friend is your belief in what these guys say.:D
He was amoral, as he didn't believe anything the kennedys had done was criminal.
he just wasn't smart enough to get away with it.

[Dale escondido]

Has any other President come in to office with such a clear agenda of how he wanted to change the country?

I can't remember any.

Can you?

Not in my lifetime, but Wilson and Roosevelt were pretty extreme.

[Bill Cosby]

Your problem my friend is your belief in what these guys say.:D
He was amoral, as he didn't believe anything the kennedys had done was criminal.
he just wasn't smart enough to get away with it.

I don't believe anything anyone says.......... :thumbsup:

It makes it easier that way..... :D

He was a liar & a cheat........... Was he a conman?? I will let you ppl decide how to define it to suit yourself but IMHO the man most certainly was.......

Had he not conED the public into voting for him he would have lost the election & hubert humphy dumpty would have been bombing the hell out of Vietnam.........

[Dale escondido]

I don't believe anything anyone says.......... :thumbsup:

It makes it easier that way..... :D

He was a liar & a cheat........... Was he a conman?? I will let you ppl decide how to define it to suit yourself but IMHO the man most certainly was.......

Had he not conED the public into voting for him he would have lost the election & hubert humphy dumpty would have been bombing the hell out of Vietnam.........

See now I believe Obama tricked or coned the voters.
But since we have long time no exspect truth from candidates is it really a con anymore?

[Bill Cosby]

See now I believe Obama tricked or coned the voters.
But since we have long time no exspect truth from candidates is it really a con anymore?

That is a good point...........

While perhaps some might feel triXed or duped, I personally don't feel that way... Disappointment is perhaps more descriptive of my feelings...

They all say things they either can not or will not do..... :dunno: Mostly though they avoid saying anything or taking a stand on anything that might lose them votes........

[Smurf-Herder]

:melodramatic:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/time/2375-1.jpg

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/84d1552b16e9d86db59664cc2458a629/President-Gerald-Ford-and-family.jpg

Lest we forget....................:lmao2:

Bill, Nixon existed in a less technological and media-driven age. And he didn't have half the population getting tingling feelings running up their leg.

[Bill Cosby]

Bill, Nixon existed in a less technological and media-driven age. And he didn't have half the population getting tingling feelings running up their leg.

So what?? What does that have to do w/ anything??

He was a disgusting president, a liar & a disgrace.............. His VP was of the same ilk..............

Ya'll wanna dismiss that republican while getting all over Obama for not making everything good year one........... He is a con man & nixon lacked technology???

:disbelief:

[Smurf-Herder]

So what?? What does that have to do w/ anything??

He was a disgusting president, a liar & a disgrace.............. His VP was of the same ilk..............

Ya'll wanna dismiss that republican while getting all over Obama for not making everything good year one........... He is a con man & nixon lacked technology???

:disbelief:

Obama has more potential, in a more advanced society.

BTW, this thread is about Obama, not Nixon.

[Fulltimer]

Obama has more potential, in a more advanced society.

BTW, this thread is about Obama, not Nixon.


In a discussion about one president there will always have to be a comparison to other presidents. What else can you compare a president to?


When a candidate is running for office he will make promises of what he wants to do if elected. If he is running for King I suppose he could be held to those promises but as president of a democratic republic he can only attempt to fulfill his campaign promises. As long as there is an opposition party he will be stymied from fullfilling them all.

With the republicans throwing roadblocks at every turn Obama can only hope to keep the situation from getting completely out of hand.

If the GOP had an alternate plan it would be one thing but all they want is the economy to get worse and America to suffer more so they can use it as a campaign position.

[Bill Cosby]

Obama has more potential, in a more advanced society.

BTW, this thread is about Obama, not Nixon.


On or about page 19 I think nixon fits in nicely once "conman" comes into the game.. lol

Perhaps he has the potential, :dunno: about that, it is speculation... But I think if we are going to establish some criteria for conMan I cannot see how niXon or the (R) VP agnew cannot be part of any equation............