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Bill Cosby
07-30-2010, 12:50 PM
Or is it simply useful when it exposes the other guy, & treason when they expose my guy???


Wikileaks: 'Leak can only strengthen the call for the war (http://rabble.ca/columnists/2010/07/wikileaks-leak-can-only-strengthen-call-wars-end)

Wikileaks.org has done it again, publishing thousands of classified documents about the U.S. war in Afghanistan. The website provides a secure platform for whistle-blowers to deliver documents, videos and other electronic media while maintaining anonymity. Last March it released a video shot from a U.S. military helicopter over Baghdad, exposing the Army's indiscriminate killing of at least 12 people, two of whom worked for the Reuters news agency. This week, WikiLeaks, along with three mainstream media partners -- The New York Times, The Guardian of London and Der Spiegel in Germany -- released 91,000 classified reports from the United States military in Afghanistan. The reports, mostly written by soldiers on the ground immediately after military actions, represent a true diary of the war from 2004 to 2009, detailing everything from the killing of civilians, including children, to the growing strength of the Taliban insurgency, to Pakistan's support for the Taliban.

After the documents were released, WikiLeaks founder and Editor in Chief Julian Assange told me: "Most civilian casualties occur in instances where one, two, 10 or 20 people are killed-they really numerically dominate the list of events. ... The way to really understand this war is by seeing that there is one killed after another, every day, going on and on."

Assange described a massacre, what he called a "Polish My Lai." On Aug. 16, 2007, Polish troops returned to a village where they had suffered an IED roadside bomb that morning. The Poles launched mortars into the village, striking a house where a wedding party was under way. Assange suspects that the Poles, retaliating for the IED, committed a war crime, concealed in the dry bureaucratic language in the report:

"Current Casualty list: 6x KIA (1x male, 4 female, one baby) 3x WIA (all female, one of which was 9 months pregnant)"

KIA means "Killed in Action," and the tens of thousands of classified reports are dense with KIAs. Assange says that there are 2,000 civilian deaths detailed in the reports. Other entries describe "Task Force 373," a U.S. Army assassination unit that allegedly captures or kills people believed to be members of the Taliban or al-Qaida.

The Obama administration is running for cover, and its response has been confused. National security adviser Gen. James Jones condemned the disclosure of classified information, saying it "could put the lives of Americans and our partners at risk, and threaten our national security." At the same time, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said "there's no broad new revelations in this."

The threat posed by this historic leak is not a threat to the lives of American soldiers at war, but rather to a policy that puts those lives at risk. With public support already waning, this leak can only strengthen the call for the war's end.

"I've been waiting for it for a long time," tweeted Daniel Ellsberg, the most famous whistle-blower in America. Ellsberg is the former military analyst who famously leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1971, thousands of pages of a top-secret government study revealing the secret history of the Vietnam War. Many credit Ellsberg's action with helping to end the Vietnam War. Ellsberg told me this week: "I'm very impressed by the [WikiLeaks] release. It is the first release in 39 years on the scale of the Pentagon Papers. How many times in these years should there have been the release of thousands of pages showing our being lied into war in Iraq, as in Vietnam, and the nature of the war in Afghanistan?"

Assange has been advised by his lawyers not to enter the United States.

Homeland security agents descended on a recent hacker conference in New York where he was scheduled to speak. He had canceled. He said the Obama administration also tried to get the Australian government to arrest him. Speaking to me from London, Assange said: "We are not pacifists. We are transparency activists who understand that transparent government tends to produce just government. That is our modus operandi behind our whole organization: to get out suppressed information into the public where the press and the public and our nations' politics can work on it to produce better outcomes."

serum114
07-30-2010, 02:50 PM
This is great hopefully more to come.

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Bill Cosby
07-30-2010, 03:11 PM
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:

mrmeangenes
07-30-2010, 06:10 PM
I call it bad AND ugly.

Bill Cosby
07-31-2010, 03:24 PM
No up side mr???

They should just do what they want & we should just do as we are told??

serum114
08-01-2010, 01:39 AM
Obama could step in and not let the papers publish it. At least then the right might actually have a point with the whole state run media garbage.

Bill Cosby
08-01-2010, 01:53 AM
Seems they always try to downplay it....... @ least @ first..........

Since they/any guVment is not gonna apply to themselves what they apply to others what will happen????????

Moby
08-01-2010, 08:27 AM
Obama could step in and not let the papers publish it. At least then the right might actually have a point with the whole state run media garbage.
During the previous administration very few photos of the 2 wars were allowed. I remember seeing images of other wars and it connected the American people to those wars.

The previous administration did run the media and not allow them to print such material. That was state run.

Smurf-Herder
08-01-2010, 09:43 AM
The Pentagon came out saying Wikileaks has blood on their hands.

These are battlefield reports, which include various sources and methods that can be tracked back to informants and others who help our troops; as well as a ton of other incidental information that could help the enemy concerning military operational procedures.

Yeah, IMO this is treason territory.

serum114
08-01-2010, 12:21 PM
During the previous administration very few photos of the 2 wars were allowed. I remember seeing images of other wars and it connected the American people to those wars.

The previous administration did run the media and not allow them to print such material. That was state run.

Absolutely! If we are going to war the American people should be well informed and when any administration suppresses the information it's wrong in my opinion. After-all is said and done and our government has created more hatred from around the world toward the American people due to unjust wars the people will pay the price with lives and the politicians will move on to good paying jobs as lobbyists or whatever.

MintJulep
08-01-2010, 12:23 PM
The Pentagon came out saying Wikileaks has blood on their hands.

These are battlefield reports, which include various sources and methods that can be tracked back to informants and others who help our troops; as well as a ton of other incidental information that could help the enemy concerning military operational procedures.

Yeah, IMO this is treason territory.This is nothing less than treason.

CosmicRocker
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
"suppress information? WTF ??

This is a war, you don't identify operations, methods and means, or the players.

I want us OUT of Afg. -but what GOOD come come of leaking this info?

The guy who runs the site is an Australian anti-war guy. Fine.
But we do have troops there - id rather we didn't but we DO, so stop the leaking.

It only leads to more deaths -what's so moral about that?

serum114
08-01-2010, 03:25 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-july-27-2010/best-leak-ever

CosmicRocker
08-01-2010, 04:25 PM
^whatever you posted doesn't load

mrmeangenes
08-01-2010, 06:40 PM
Here's a cartoon that sums up my feelings:

http://themoderatevoice.com/81481/wikileaks/

CosmicRocker
08-01-2010, 08:26 PM
Here's a cartoon that sums up my feelings:

http://themoderatevoice.com/81481/wikileaks/
I like the cartoon and the site.
Think i'll bookmark it -thanks.

Bill Cosby
08-02-2010, 01:43 AM
^whatever you posted doesn't load

Worked for me.............. Maybe you should Email the FBI & ask them for permission to access that site.............:hi:

LOL

serum114
08-02-2010, 12:44 PM
Worked for me.............. Maybe you should Email the FBI & ask them for permission to access that site.............:hi:

LOL

It wasn't working before I went in and fixed it. Don't tell CR.

serum114
08-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Here's a cartoon that sums up my feelings:

http://themoderatevoice.com/81481/wikileaks/

I would think if anything PFC Manning would be the bad guy in this.

Bill Cosby
08-02-2010, 01:00 PM
It wasn't working before I went in and fixed it. Don't tell CR.

I was joking w/ him about a thread @ RV- the FBI spying on us..........