Former GOP Senator Disses Dead Soldier

[Linkster]

http://www.intelligentdiscontent.com/montana/attacking-the-dead-conservative-support-for-the-t.html

Seems the GOP is going all out to support the troops - not - the former state senator from Montana attacks one of the troops that was killed this week - because he was one of the op-ed writers that was against the war - and couldnt possible have known how to use the word Recalcitrant
Fortunately a teacher and another soldier from Montana post nice comments that back up the soldier and why he would know how to use the english language

[radioguy]

A former state senator from Montana?

Reaching aren't you Linkster?

[Linkster]

Just thought it was interesting right after the Boehner idiotic remarks this week - seems to be a trend to show your support for troops in the republican party by minimizing their lives

[radioguy]

My favorite line from the story is "I await the inevitable onslaught from outraged liberals. (Is there any other kind?)

Bulls-eye!

[disrupter]

Giuliani blames failure in Iraq on the troops,

kissing up to Rummy's & Bushes backsides.

NeoCon Fascists are just a bunch of sick homos.

[radioguy]

Just thought it was interesting right after the Boehner idiotic remarks this week - seems to be a trend to show your support for troops in the republican party by minimizing their lives

From a FORMER STATE SENATOR?

Please.

[radioguy]

Giuliani blames failure in Iraq on the troops,

kissing up to Rummy's & Bushes backsides.

NeoCon Fascists are just a bunch of sick homos.

Interesting.

We have 3 statements there. The first is a lie, the second refers to a man that retired 9 months ago and has nothing to do with things, and the last one, uses the phrase "Homo's".

Keep up the good work disrupter, you make things for my side easier.
:lmao2:

[Linkster]

Would it be better if I said former senator and current GOP - as well as network news director for the Northern Broadcast System - in charge of what news gets published on 200 radio stations in 8 states and Canada and (of course they are unusually biased programs) head of a few programs in the conservative movement

[Linkster]

At least the soldiers sister-in-law has it right when she responds to this scumbag:
I am writing in reference to Mr. Rye’s comments on the intelligence of my Brother-in Law…as well as the six other soldiers who wrote the NYT op-ed article. It may suprise you Dave to find out that one of the authors has a Masters degree and many if not all have attended college. It should not suprise you to find out that our family as a whole is predominately conservative…in fact I can think of no liberals at all (we are from eastern Montana).

We are in Iraq to develope a democracy for the Iraqi people and one fundamental right of any democracy is freedom of speech. Yet you “sir” would deny the very men and women who are fighting (and dying) to provide others this right, the very same freedom. This man had more honor, conviction, bravery, courage, and love for his country in his little finger than you could ever possess.

Our family has been devastated by this loss…it is so easy to sit at home and play politics from the safety of your computer chair and try to smear his good name. If you are the Dave Rye that I am thinking of, being that I am from Billings, I wonder how things would be for you if your thoughts about Yance were made a little more public. I am ashamed that people like you can sit there and make a pathetic attempt to call into question the intelligence of the seven soldiers but also their integrity. I sincerely hope that your true colors will be made public…it makes me sick to think that I have listened to you on the radio.

To the rest of you who have shown nothing but support…Thank You, from the bottom of my heart. This has been such a difficult time and people like all of you remind me why Yance loved this country so much. Thank you again to all of you who support the troops…and not just the troops who agree with your opinions of a war you know nothing about.

[disrupter]

Rudy blames Troops for Not finding MYTHICAL WMDs & thereby covering Bush's & Rummy's complete incompetence.

Rudy Giuliani:
And no matter how much you try to blame it on the president, the actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough?http://mediamatters.org/items/200410280003

Originally from FOX NEWs no less,

Blamed TROOPs for not guarding munitions dumps, but not the commander & chief & his Pentagon flunkie for not giving them adequate troops to do so.
"skip that arms dump." That's not a decision made by the president, that's made on the ground.

NeoConmen's disastrous decisions are blamed on troops.

YOU ARE SHAMELESS & IRRESPONSIBLE FASCISTS.

Rudy is just one more chickenshit, asskissing NeoConman, like all the rest.

Better wipe your lips radioguy, i see traces of brown muck you didn't get wiped off with toilet paper,

or do you lick it clean?

[radioguy]

The interesting thing about that story (the 7 that wrote the NY Times piece) is that 7 other soldiers that were also serving in Iraq wrote a very well thought out rebuttal and sent it in to the times. Does it surprise you that the Times refused to publish it?

It shouldn't, considering the Times just last week knocked $100,000 of the price of a full page add for Moveon.org to slime General Petraeus.

[disrupter]

Why do you want to stay in Iraq?

Because it will make you 'feel' good?

Pump your ego? make you feel all secure, as though the world was 'safe'?

NEWSFLASH!

Everyone felt all 'safe & secure' before 911.

The Iraq invasion & continued deployment their are making us less safe & less secure, regardless of irrational emotions & phantom fabrications thrown up about what our presence is doing there.

Get off the juvenile, emotional ego trip & start talking in rational, strategic terms.

so far i haven't heard a thing like that, at least not from the neocon war supporters.

[radioguy]

Giuliani blames failure in Iraq on the troops

That is a lie. What Rudy was talking about was ammo that turned up missing at an ammo dump, yet you somehow turn the statement into Giuliani blaming troops for "Failure" in Iraq?

This is just another example in a never ending list of liberal distortions and lies.

[disrupter]

He blamed troops for not finding WMDs, instead of admitting there weren't any.
He blamed troops for not guarding ammo dumps when Rumsfeld & Bush in all their lack of wisdom hadn't provided them with sufficient troops to do so.

HE BLAMED TROOPS FOR BUSH'S & RUMSFELD'S FAILURES.

Rudy & now YOU are a sellout,

dissing the troops for your mental incompetence.

Shame on you, radioguy.

YOU are lying now

[radioguy]

Why do you want to stay in Iraq?

I've answered this before, but I realize that most of you on the left aren't capable of understanding my answer, because you have no concept of what "Honor" is. You don't care that the United States promised the world that when it invaded Iraq and removed Saddam, that it would stay until the country was stable and the people had a government to replace the one we removed, along with enough police and military trained to protect that government and the Iraqi people.

We made a commitment, a promise when we enter into this war and if the United States is the country I have always believed it to be, then it will honor it's commitment and not go back on its word.

[disrupter]

Honor, male testosterone, ego.

Did you know they allow 'Honor' killings in muslim & other countries?
Where women of a family can be murdered, maimed or disfigured with impunity for 'dis-honoring' a man or his family?

Honor, to rationalize the pointless murder of 2/3rds of a million basically innocent people & squandering 2 trillion dollars?

YOUR kind of 'honor' is shameful.

Good enough for baboons. NOT good enough for human beings.

again, an example of juvenile, egotism & feel-goodism instead of rational, logical strategy.

You currently don't display the necessary attributes to act as an adult, let alone lead a nation.

Blind honor?
just another name for barbarism.

you belong in the caves with Bin Laden.

[mwillman]

While I am not always as blunt as Disrupter I have to say I agree with him.

I would much rather be respected then honored. What you call honor is nothing more then self agrandisment. You want to be the seen as the Lone Ranger but all you are doing is helping propogate death and destruction in the name of greed.

[radioguy]

While I am not always as blunt as Disrupter I have to say I agree with him.

I would much rather be respected then honored. What you call honor is nothing more then self agrandisment. You want to be the seen as the Lone Ranger but all you are doing is helping propogate death and destruction in the name of greed.

First, how in the hell does the United States gain respect if they go back on their word and abandon the Iraq people? When those people are slaughtered by the thousands by al Qaida after we pull out, respect is the last thing anyone will have for us. We caused the situation in Iraq, so it is our responsibility to fix it. Why those of you on the left refuse to see this, makes no sense to me at all.

Second, there is no "Greed" involved here. We haven't taken a drop of oil, so your argument is nothing more than another line of unsubstantiated BS that is the trademark of the liberal left.

Why don't you try something really out of character and provide proof to back up your slanderous attacks on the United States government?

My bet is you will not do so, and instead follow the liberal playbook and change the argument.

[mwillman]

Are you really so blind. We have spent 1 trillion dollars on this war, who do you think we paid it to. With the no bid contract system that they have used. The greed comes from the people making all the money on this war.

As for you attemped point on the Iraqi people its simple you are basicly supporting the idea that you stab someone then bitch at us for saying pull out the knife.

The people of Iraq do not want us there. We should do a slow and thoughtfull withdrawl not continue to let a small group of people profit at the expanse of the rest.

[Linkster]

radioguy - Ill take a shot at your last questions
First - the way to handle Iraq now that we have totally screwed it up is do exactly the same thing the British ended up haing to do in the same position in Iraq back in the 1920s - leave two bases there just in case Iraq gets attacked - unmanned with airfields - withdraw completely, and require that they form a government that will be acceptable to the UN - with observers from the UN there to watch the process
Second - Hunt Oil has already started the process of taking the oil - and the head of the company(Ray Hunt) sits on the presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board - with the ability to give advice and get inside information on a moments notice - he was formally with Cheney at Haliburton on the board. He also, interestingly, was one of Bush's largest fund raisers, as well as he is a member of the board of directors of the American Petroleum Institute and serves on its Policy Committee - so I would have to say based on direct evidence - the oil will be flowing freely.
As far as attacks on the US government - I think the founding fathers put it best when they said -

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Franklin

Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master - Jefferson

The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty - John Adams

The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. - James Madison

The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. -James Madison

When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.
- Thomas Jefferson

[radioguy]

As for you attemped point on the Iraqi people its simple you are basicly supporting the idea that you stab someone then bitch at us for saying pull out the knife.

Tell me then, what would happen if we pulled our troops out tomorrow?

Do you think their government would survive?

Do you think al Qaida will just pack up and go home?

Do you think that their wouldn't be bloodshed on a scale that makes the war look like a high school debate scuffle?


Since you would be the first to admit that the violence going on there is our fault, how can you in good conscience suggest that we leave those people in the mess we created, before we have fixed it? You are suggesting that we hand Iraq to al Qaida on a silver platter and and sentence hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's to death, rather than fixing the mess we caused.

Can't you see that that approach would result in America losing the war, America becoming directly responsible for the torture and death of untold thousands of innocent people and responsible for handing the most violent Islamic terrorist organization in the world with their own country complete with all the oil they need to finance terrorists attacks on a scale that we can't even fathom?

[Linkster]

Tell me then,

Can't you see that that approach would result in America losing the war, America becoming directly responsible for the torture and death of untold thousands of innocent people and responsible for handing the most violent Islamic terrorist organization in the world with their own country complete with all the oil they need to finance terrorists attacks on a scale that we can't even fathom?

Ill try to answer these one at a time with some detail - first off - I think that if we pulled out tomorrow - nothing would happen quite honestly - Al Qaelda would have no reason to exist in Iraq anymore and those stragglers that were stupid would get eaten alive by the Sunnis - who cant stand them

As far as the government surviving - right now it is not surviving - it is crumbling - unfortunately Bush made a bad decision to put in who he did - and that person trying to lead the reconciliation is not working out - but it seems to me that the US did a fine job when they faced the same predicament 230 years ago - as did Iraq when they faced the same predicament 75 years ago

The Al Qaueda question is mute as I already answered it - they would have no purpose anymore - they are there only to fight the "crusade" that Bush started - he would have done himself a favor by not calling it that from the start - but when youre dealing with religious zealots no matter the faith - its best not to conjure up images of past holocausts

I do not think there would be much bloodshed - Baghdad used to be about 65% Shia and they had a lot of problems - now its 75% Sunni as the Shia have all fled to Syria and other countries - 2 million at last count - so there really isnt a huge contradiction in ideologies to deal with - and most likely will end up just like it was before - when Saddam was there and even when the democracy was there - certain sections of Iraq were separate "governances" (or states - to give a comparison) and were really independant of Baghdad - Saddam had control over certain areas - but there were plenty that he did not - and didnt really care to.

As far as causing the problem - sure we were the cause - but I know for a fact that Al Qaeda doesnt want the country - they just want to fight Americans - and the tribal leaders as well as province governors wil do fine keeping the peace the best they can - which will be a much lower level of violence once they have a handle on it without interference from the US
We should leave with the good conscience that we have provided them the fresh start - with probably less violence than the British did to them, and definitely less violence than the US had at its beginning - and they will deal quite well with it - the last poll taken in the Iraqi newspapers and radio report 70% of all Iraqis want the US to leave right now -so I dont hink it would be that big an issue
And Al Qaeda causing all kinds of deaths after we left is a non-issue - they wouldnt as there wouldnt be Americans there to kill - all of the other violence that is sectarian in nature will not involve Al Qaeda and they Sunnis and Turks will weekd them out pretty quickly

As far as the US losing - sorry to tell you but we already have - there is no "win situation" anymore - unless you spin it like the president did a few years back with the "victory" speech - its important to remember we are not in a win/lose war - we are in an insurgency battle which is a totally different animal - and takes either constant minor warfare with huge casualties - or political reconciliation - in the second case it usually doesnt work out too well if there is still an occupier in the midst - at least in wars of occupation over the last 2000 years. Once there are no occupiers left - then you can sit down at tables and hammer out the problems and build what you really want
The UN can do a fine job of providing oversight, with backup from the US if anyone tried to invade- the same way Britian did for 8 years after they left - but if you take all the parties that could possibly invade, like the Saudis, Syria, Iran, Turkey and Israel - and get them all to sign a resolution at the UN (again like the league of nations did with Iraq in the 1920s) then it will work out the best
As far as arming terrorists and giving them a country - not gonna happen - even if the terrorists killed every American tomorrow in Iraq - the Sunnis, Kurds and Turks would have death squads hunting every last one of the terrorists - they will protect their resources. If you dont believe me read some of the Iraqi newspapers where the shieks speak out against the American occupiers but say they will hunt down and destroy any Al Qaeda that shows up.

Last - and its unfortunate - a lot of the media coverage - and I dont care how its labelled - right or left or center - gets it completely wrong - they listen for little catch phrases and get these experts that have no idea what they are talking about - and end up misleading a whole country full of people. They then repeat it over an over until people really believe it - we used to call it the 19 repetition advertising - it works but is only worth using when you are telling the real story

Im not calling anyone a liar - just that the mass media do not track down the real story and just listen to releases etc - which if during a war if you werent filling it with propaganda you wouldnt be much of a warring nation would you?

I tend to go to the sources of stories in Iraq and other middle east countries - and some of the European countries where certain conglomerates havent taken over the media yet - and thats where you find the real story - and it can be pretty shocking when you hear that the US is now the most hated country in the world by all other countries - more-so than even communist oppressive countries

[radioguy]

Ill try to answer these one at a time with some detail - first off - I think that if we pulled out tomorrow - nothing would happen quite honestly - Al Qaelda would have no reason to exist in Iraq anymore and those stragglers that were stupid would get eaten alive by the Sunnis - who cant stand them

What you have just stated sounds nice and all, but the majority of experts that have spoken out on this issue disagree. What your saying is possible, but not probable. The bottom line here is that America made a commitment to Iraq, that it would stay until the government had sufficient security forces necessary to defend the government and protect the people. You are suggesting that America go back on it's word and throw Iraq to the wolves. That is irresponsible and very dangerous not only to the people of Iraq, but every free nation in the world.

Al qaida has made it clear that this is "WWIII" and their central battleground. Before we employed the troop surge, al qaida had it's way with the people of Iraq. They were torturing and murdering Iraqi citizens just for sport, until we stepped up and forced them out of their stronghold areas. Even some on the left here at this forum, have pointed out how if we were to leave today, al qaida would march back in and take over the places we just forced them out of. That seems to contradict you belief that they would just go home.


As far as the US losing - sorry to tell you but we already have

That is not what the handful of very vocal anti-war liberals who have visited the area in the last month said. Many who have visited that have been against the war from the beginning, came back to tell us that the surge is working. That doesn't even take into account what the two experts on the military and the political situations in Iraq just reported last week to the Congress. They both stated that the surge is working and both believe if the surge continues, it will lead to both a military stabilization of Iraq (at least to the point where we can leave and they will be able to defend themselves) and that it will lead to the government working out its problems.

The reality is, that those of you on the left do not want a victory of any kind in Iraq, and your actions of the past week have proven that. I've said it before, but it is oh so true: If America wins, the democrats lose. And we all know that politics will always be more important to the left, than anything else. Even the country itself. Why else would idiots like Harry Reid, who did not visit Iraq, say that the war is lost before ever seeing the generals report? Because declaring the war lost, is the only way Harry Reid and the democrats win, and that's all Reid gives a crap about.

[disrupter]

The experts, the very same 'experts' that got us into this mess now all agree that we must stay in this mess?

hmmmm, lack of credibility anyone?

By leaving Iraq we will lose,
we will lose our stupidity, our insanity, our delusional 'holier-than-thou' dispensers of all things good mythology.

We are simply another government on the face of a small planet.
We need to work with other people & governments & not like some rogue cowboy. There is no endless frontier left on the face of the planet for rogue cowboys.

Time to ship all the warmongers, Neonuts & other gangsters out into deep space,
very, very deep space where they will not trouble the sane & the civilized.

[mwillman]

Ill tell you what Radioman, You republicans let us impeach Bush and Chenney for putting us in a useless war and we will make sure that Iraq gets fair and just treatment. But as long as they are in power they are the one's that must fix the problem. The problem with letting them fix it is they are not trying anything new they just keep the status quo.

There is no strategy in this war it is all tactics. It reminds me of vietnam where we won all the battles but still lost the war.

[Linkster]

1.What you have just stated sounds nice and all, but the majority of experts that have spoken out on this issue disagree.

2.Al qaida has made it clear that this is "WWIII" and their central battleground. Before we employed the troop surge, al qaida had it's way with the people of Iraq.

3.That is not what the handful of very vocal anti-war liberals who have visited the area in the last month said. Many who have visited that have been against the war from the beginning, came back to tell us that the surge is working. That doesn't even take into account what the two experts on the military and the political situations in Iraq just reported last week to the Congress.

4.The reality is, that those of you on the left do not want a victory of any kind in Iraq, and your actions of the past week have proven that. .

Ok - Ill try to take your 4 main points here:

1. The majority of the experts are paid politicals who dont know the history of Iraq or the history of the middle east - for that matter, most of the "experts" I see paraded on all of the news networks - wouldnt know what a war looked like if theyre life depended on it - the only people I see that really are experts like retired generals, former congressmen (Pat Buchanan comes to mind) all say that there is no military solution - even most of the pentagons top brass agree - and I would hope they are the experts

2. Al Qaeda is NOT after Iraqis - they are going after US soldiers and those that work with them - maybe you dont get the big picture - but the ONLY reason Al Qaeda (which makes up less than 5% of all insurgents acording to your Gen Petraeus) is even there is because its close to home and there are "crusaders" to attack

3. I havent seen one anti-war person come back from Iraq and say the surge is working - if anyone comes back saying that - it is because of being shown a well-protected area in one region that they saw while protected by hundreds of armed troops - as far as your "experts" its kinda hard to say whats really on your mind when you have a president pulling your strings - and if you consider the second guy an expert - youve never met any ambassadors - he's as clueless as the guy that the US put in as prime minister

4. I am not on the left - or a democrat - and I have seen no "actions" from anyone on the left yet - as they have been completely shut down by the hawks in congress so far - as far as victory - even the president has already declared victory - you must have missed the dog and pony show on the aircraft carrier - if you are talking about a further victory in Iraq - like I posted above - there is no possibility in hell that a military solution will ever work - at least according to history over the last 2000 years

I am not going to continue this discussion unless you start stating your own opinions - I really dislike discussing something when the other party just repeats "slogans" and "punch-lines" from watching TV - if you can come up with some real historical or even current day FACTS reported from other than the mass media that are running press releases - then I will be happy to continue

[radioguy]

There is nothing more to discuss.

You say surrender now because the war in Iraq is already lost, and I say America can still win.

I support the position of General Patreaus and our military, and you support the position of bin laden and Iran.

You say America should break its word to the people of Iraq, and I say America should keep its word and honor it's commitment.

You see the war on terrorism as a joke, and I see it as a necessary war.

Does that about sum it up?

[Linkster]

No and I would appreciate it if you do not use mass media labels of hate to frame my opinions - they are wasted - and useless in a discussion

Like I said if you want to have a discussion using your own ideas and reasoning - fine - but using tired arguments and hate to try to "win" a discussion is about the lowest form of debate that can be used - its unfortunate that so many in the US today think they have to use whatever "buzz phrases" the media publishes to discuss events or ideas - it gets stale and quite honestly just continues the formation of a lockstep society that is showing up quite quickly and will be the destruction of our country.

Its interesting that this technique works so well with some - it has been proven over the ages and Im reminded of how Goebbels used to portray it as the easiest way to control the masses - take away their need to think and they will believe anything you tell them

[radioguy]

No and I would appreciate it if you do not use mass media labels of hate to frame my opinions - they are wasted - and useless in a discussion

Like I said if you want to have a discussion using your own ideas and reasoning - fine - but using tired arguments and hate to try to "win" a discussion is about the lowest form of debate that can be used - its unfortunate that so many in the US today think they have to use whatever "buzz phrases" the media publishes to discuss events or ideas - it gets stale and quite honestly just continues the formation of a lockstep society that is showing up quite quickly and will be the destruction of our country.

Its interesting that this technique works so well with some - it has been proven over the ages and Im reminded of how Goebbels used to portray it as the easiest way to control the masses - take away their need to think and they will believe anything you tell them

There is no hate in what I posted. I posted the truth.

I'm sorry if the fact that you and others have taken the same position as Iran, bin laden and a host of other terrorist organizations and enemies of the United States. It is the truth, and if you are proud enough to post your views, you should also be man enough to accept that those views in many ways parallel those of Americas sworn enemies.

The list of opinions that those of you on the anti-war left have in common with bin laden is long. Accept it.

I compare your political views with those of today's terrorist leaders, while you try and compare mine to Nazi's from 60 years ago. Fine. I can handle that. I am very proud to state that I side with America, and you should be just as proud to say that you side with America's enemies.

[disrupter]

Surrender Dorothy,

You idiot, we are 'surrendering' to reality, rather than continuing to suffer under your neonut delusions of grandeur.

We are UN-surrendering our policy to neonut shit-maker policies.

get a brain,
become an adult.

[Linkster]

Radioguy
Nice try - you ought to go back and read my posts again as you will find Ive already posted that Im not on the left - Im in this for the discussion only as a mod here and I am not a dem or a repub - BTW - meant to ask - who did you vote for in the 2000 and 2004 elections? (I understand this is a personal question and you dont have to answer if it is something private for you)

The views that someone like Bin Laden takes for a tape (which I dont believe he did for a second - that was just another attempt at propaganda from a corrupt government) - are completely against his ideals and every "jihadist" out there - all 2500 of them - they would never align themselves with US citizens no matter what the political persuasion

If you have a problem with people in the United States having conflicting views from yours - then maybe you need to go find a more suitable country - I hear Russia is looking for new converts and needs some more sheep to follow Putin

[radioguy]

Radioguy
Nice try - you ought to go back and read my posts again as you will find Ive already posted that Im not on the left - Im in this for the discussion only as a mod here and I am not a dem or a repub - BTW - meant to ask - who did you vote for in the 2000 and 2004 elections? (I understand this is a personal question and you dont have to answer if it is something private for you)

The views that someone like Bin Laden takes for a tape (which I dont believe he did for a second - that was just another attempt at propaganda from a corrupt government) - are completely against his ideals and every "jihadist" out there - all 2500 of them - they would never align themselves with US citizens no matter what the political persuasion

If you have a problem with people in the United States having conflicting views from yours - then maybe you need to go find a more suitable country - I hear Russia is looking for new converts and needs some more sheep to follow Putin

Actions speak louder than words, and you sir are no more a "centrist" than I am a liberal. I do understand your reluctance to admit what side of the political fence you're on. I would be embarrassed also, so don't sweat it.

I voted for Bush both times, but not because I thought he was god's gift to the American people. I voted for him because the alternatives those years scared the hell out of me. Gore in 2000 with his "3 faces of Eve" performances at the presidential debates, displayed that the man was either a complete phony, or suffering from mutable personality disorder. Do I even have to explain the problems with John Kerry? You can still smell his BS in the air to this day.

Let me ask you Linkster, how long have you been an Islamic Jihadist? The reason I ask, is because of the way you project absolute authority on the validity of the bin laden tapes (against the opinion of nearly every expert in the world), along with your intimate knowledge of how a Muslim extremist thinks and what they believe in. Not to mention the fact that you seem to know just how many jihadist exist world wide.

As for your final paragraph, I think you have it backwards. I believe in my country, and the actions of our government and military. In other words, I am on AMERICA'S side, so being in America suites me just fine. You however, are against every action taken by the United States government and it's military forces in Iraq. Your words and beliefs mirror those of America's enemies, such as bin laden and the president of Iran. So I say to you, that maybe you need to go find a more suitable country - I hear Venezuela is looking for new converts and needs some more sheep to follow Chavez.

[Linkster]

Actions speak louder than words, and you sir are no more a "centrist" than I am a liberal. I do understand your reluctance to admit what side of the political fence you're on. I would be embarrassed also, so don't sweat it.

I voted for Bush both times, but not because I thought he was god's gift to the American people. I voted for him because the alternatives those years scared the hell out of me. Gore in 2000 with his "3 faces of Eve" performances at the presidential debates, displayed that the man was either a complete phony, or suffering from mutable personality disorder. Do I even have to explain the problems with John Kerry? You can still smell his BS in the air to this day.

Let me ask you Linkster, how long have you been an Islamic Jihadist? The reason I ask, is because of the way you project absolute authority on the validity of the bin laden tapes (against the opinion of nearly every expert in the world), along with your intimate knowledge of how a Muslim extremist thinks and what they believe in. Not to mention the fact that you seem to know just how many jihadist exist world wide.

As for your final paragraph, I think you have it backwards. I believe in my country, and the actions of our government and military. In other words, I am on AMERICA'S side, so being in America suites me just fine. You however, are against every action taken by the United States government and it's military forces in Iraq. Your words and beliefs mirror those of America's enemies, such as bin laden and the president of Iran. So I say to you, that maybe you need to go find a more suitable country - I hear Venezuela is looking for new converts and needs some more sheep to follow Chavez.

I dont believe I said I was a centrist now did I?

I happen to go out to a lot of sites (like the Iraqi newspapers web site) and go look at the jihaadist websites when I hear that there is an announcement coming out - its an automated response after watching many propaganda videos come out of Reston Va
And Im nowhere near an expert on Jihadism - any more than I am on christian fundamentalism

I have little knowledge of how they think - except for what I read in their posts on boards, and in their recruitment messages

I also believe if you do some searching that you will find that the "experts" on the recent tapes are baffled - they are having a real hard time explaining them from the point of view that Bin Laden normally speaks from - and so far - no official has come out and verified the tapes - kinda strange this time - although the news media all run around blurting out that they are "working on it"

As far as being an American - you are exhibiting the most un-American values I have seen in a long time - unfortunately there is a small minority of people in the US right now that tend to think that if you dont stand by your presidents actions, that you are against the US - two different issues - but they try to put them into one sentence as you have done - if you do NOT ever question the countries leaders and just sit idly by accepting them as gospel "because they are the leaders" then you are doing exactly the opposite of what the founding fathers of this country had in mind

As far as South America - I think Ill leave that for Bush and his new compound he built down there - think maybe he's a little afraid of what the ICJ might do to him when he leaves office?

The reason I asked about your voting is I just wanted to make sure I was talking to an adult and one that actually voted in the elections as I cant stand finding out that someone has opinions as jaded as yours and that they dont take the time to vote

[Linkster]

BTW - heres the report from the SIC - and is quite clear that the CIA did not support any of the conclusions put out by the administration:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/levin070804.html