Just Made Up My Mind on Clinton

[Linkster]

Not a chance in this world would I vote for someone who wants to require all US citizens to have health insurance

[Bill]

If she's the dem candidate, I'll vote for her, just to try to keep fewer extremist corporatist judges on the supreme court.

But that one vote is the only thing she'll get from me, and I'll be funding those that attack her.

Fortunately, I'm not registered dem, so the primary vote is not mine to make.

Even tho arguably that's the important vote.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Single payer health care will put 30% - 50% more money back into your pocket on a persons health care expense. If you have an employer also contributing to your health care cost they receive that same savings. If a person wants health care or not this would relieve so much bull cht in most people’s lives.

The American people have been screwed over on out sourcing I look at single payer health care as out sourcing the insurance companies, which have been ripping everyone off on this current health care fiasco.

Hillary I hate her as much as I hate bush she is just as phony as bush but worst case if she is the candidate I might vote for her but I will not vote for a republican. I take that back, I will vote for a third party I just could not live with myself she is to big of a fraud.

[Linkster]

Jesse - that would be nice if someone wants health care - but there are some in the US who do not want it - and would prefer to pay a discounted rate for not going through the marked-up process that adds 90% to the bill - of course then there are some of us that no one will insure no matter what :)

[moonman]

I'll probably vote swap again. That is I'll vote for the Dem if a Dem will vote for a Green who has a chance somewhere else. Living in California there's little doubt Clinton will take our electoral college votes.

I've read in more than few spots many think Hillary will become our Nixon. That is she will leave office in disgrace after becoming embroiled in some scandal.

She is not the politcian Bill is. And like many Doctor's wives and lawyer's wives who think they are as learned as their husbands, she is not anywhere near as talented a poltician as Bill.

What Hillary is good at is product positioning. However she has taken more different stands on Iraq than John "I voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry.

I'm not convinced Hillary can win the general as much as she's likely to benefit from the Republicans losing it.

[mwillman]

Again I agree with you moonman this is starting to become a habit. :)

Personally I would rather have Obama then Clinton. I want change not just a swap from one sell out to another.

I will say in her defense that she is a very good politician. It must be hard to be the spouse of one of the most accomplished politicians in modern history.

I also agree that this election is more about getting rid of the republicans then it is about getting someone in office that can fix the many problems that have been created in the last 7 years.

[moonman]

Agreement is a good thing, no? And yer right, Hillary is far and away the best politician among the candidates. I like Obama too but am concerned about his many mis-steps and retractions. It's a long vetting process and he has time to get his game up a level.

My first choice was Edwards because of his making poverty an issue. Bill Richardson has the best resume and might be the most qualified candidate but neither Edwards or Richardson has the money to stay in past the early primaries.

As a griever, losing a grandson really does change your life, Bill Richardson did the unforgiveable. He vetoed the New Mexico Missing Angels bill after it passed both houses unaminously.

Missing Angels is a national movement at the state level to encourage States to offer an alternative certificate to grieving parents of babies born still. We have succeeded in IIRC 16 States, including my California. Parents of born still babies are not able to acquire a birth certificate but may get a death certificate. What we lobby for is a "Certificate of Birth Resulting in Still Birth."

It is a simple acknowledgement by the State of the Mother's intention, where all unborn find their rights and has nothing to do with abortion. We have found parents who have lost a child by this way are comforted in their loss when the State acknowledges a the intended birth as well as well the loss.

It was incredibly callous of Gov. Richardson to veto the bill. Worse he failed to respond to any of the thousands of us who wrote the Governor's office and his Presidential campaign.

Fact is, Bill Richardson has no time or consideration for grieving parents. I and thousands of others have no time for him.

[mwillman]

I have accually liked Edwards more lately becuase of his stronger stances. Its to bad he doesn't have the money to put up a real fight.

I think its funny that we put Obama down for a few gaffs when I remember Bush looking like a retard from day one of his campaign and people thinking it was charming.

I'm sure you weren't suckered in by that. I just find it interesting what expectations can do to a candidate. Obama is seen as being very intelligent so people expect more perfection from him.

As to the accual gaffs, I would say most of them were not so much about issues or strategy but rather about how he worded the idea's. While I agree he needs to learn from those mistakes I dont see them inferring a lack of ability.

[disrupter]

I think Bush appeals to the lizard portion of our brains.

[moonman]

hey mwilliam, again we agree mostly. Though gaffes can really set a candidate back as in Ford's saying, "There is no communist threat in Poland in 1976." Ed Muskie crying on a snowy day in New Hampshire while defending his in '67 or '68 was it?

While Obama's gaffes haven't proved fateful, he's yet to really connect.

lol@disrupter. Bush appeals to the lizard part of our brains.

[kres24GT]

If she's the dem candidate, I'll vote for her, just to try to keep fewer extremist corporatist judges on the supreme court.

But that one vote is the only thing she'll get from me, and I'll be funding those that attack her.

Fortunately, I'm not registered dem, so the primary vote is not mine to make.

Even tho arguably that's the important vote.



LMAO @ voting for Hillary

[kres24GT]

Not a chance in this world would I vote for someone who wants to require all US citizens to have health insurance


But will you vote for one that supports requiring all US citizens to contribute to a scam of a retirement program? If so go ahead and vote for Hillary. The more fascism the better.

[mwillman]

I will vote for who ever gets the Democratic Nomination becuase anything is better then what the republicans have done.

[kres24GT]

I will vote for who ever gets the Democratic Nomination becuase anything is better then what the republicans have done.


Good ol' lesser of two evils. That's how we got 8 years of Bush.

[TheCenturion]

Good ol' lesser of two evils. That's how we got 8 years of Bush.

How do you figure that? Since when was Bush running against Charles Manson or Gary Ridgeway? Even Bin Laden has a far lower body count of dead children and innocent civilians than Bush. What planet are you living on?

[kres24GT]

How do you figure that? Since when was Bush running against Charles Manson or Gary Ridgeway? Even Bin Laden has a far lower body count of dead children and innocent civilians than Bush. What planet are you living on?


Bus only got elected because of the two clods the Dems threw out there. You are honestly going to tell me Bush won because he is a good president and that people actually WANTED to vote for him.

[Linkster]

I dont think the first dem candidate was a "clod" - he seemed to win the popular vote if I remember correctly and was only not elected because of some follies in Florida

[kres24GT]

I dont think the first dem candidate was a "clod" - he seemed to win the popular vote if I remember correctly and was only not elected because of some follies in Florida

Should it really have been that close? The son of a one termer who sounds like a inbred hick.

[Linkster]

No opinion on that part - I could go on and on about what really happened but it wouldnt make a difference at all - the future is the only thing that matters

[moonman]

As one who un-appologetically voted for Ralph Nadar in 2000; I decided there was no way I could support Gore when at one debate he presented himself with makeup so as to appear as Ronald Reagan.

Geez louise with limberger cheese, if yer not comfortable enough in your own skin to be who you are, you ain't ready for the top honcho gig.

[Linkster]

Well - she has made it official - what a stupid idiot she has made herself - Clinton announced today that her "health plan" is that all Americans will be Required to have health insurance
Guess her insurance buddies will love her for this one - shouldnt it be all Americans will be required to have health CARE

Lets get rid of insurance completely - knock the lawyers out of health care and we can go back to the way it was when I was growing up - when there was NO SUCH THING as health insurance - didnt need it as doctors didnt need insurance - cause lawyers couldnt sue doctors for mistakes - everyone needs to grow up and figure out that occasionally, although they try to achieve perfection, humans are going to make mistakes - and that is part of the risk of being a human

[kres24GT]

Well - she has made it official - what a stupid idiot she has made herself - Clinton announced today that her "health plan" is that all Americans will be Required to have health insurance
Guess her insurance buddies will love her for this one - shouldnt it be all Americans will be required to have health CARE

Lets get rid of insurance completely - knock the lawyers out of health care and we can go back to the way it was when I was growing up - when there was NO SUCH THING as health insurance - didnt need it as doctors didnt need insurance - cause lawyers couldnt sue doctors for mistakes - everyone needs to grow up and figure out that occasionally, although they try to achieve perfection, humans are going to make mistakes - and that is part of the risk of being a human



Big government.... get on board or get the fuck out. Government should make decisions for us.... period. No one, and I mean no one, knows better than corrupt politician indebted to big business what is best for you.