Has the West already lost Turkey??

[Bill Cosby]

It seems to me that if they are not already gone they are very, very close........

[Moby]

You could be right and if so, it is a great loss.

[Bill Cosby]

Just like the EU did, the USA is placing hoops for Turkey to jump through, in the midst of these troubling events.............

Will they tell the west & the USA to kiss their butt or just wander away slowly as the "smart ppl" in the west scratch their butts & wonder why after how well they have been treated.......

US: Turkey must demonstrate commitment to West (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5infX83Qg20idVFtW3FcluMFJNncgD9GIR8780) (((NOT THAT THE WEST NEEDS TO SHOW TURKEY ANYTHING:rolleyes: )))

By DESMOND BUTLER (AP) – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON — The United States is warning Turkey that it is alienating U.S. supporters and needs to demonstrate its commitment to partnership with the West.

The remarks by Philip Gordon, the Obama administration's top diplomat on European affairs, were a rare admonishment of a crucial NATO ally.

"We think Turkey remains committed to NATO, Europe and the United States, but that needs to be demonstrated," Gordon told The Associated Press in an interview this week. "There are people asking questions about it in a way that is new, and that in itself is a bad thing that makes it harder for the United States to support some of the things that Turkey would like to see us support."

Gordon cited Turkey's vote against a U.S.-backed United Nations Security Council resolution on new sanctions against Iran and noted Turkish rhetoric after Israel's deadly assault on a Gaza-bound flotilla last month. The Security Council vote came shortly after Turkey and Brazil, to Washington's annoyance, had brokered a nuclear fuel-swap deal with Iran as an effort to delay or avoid new sanctions.

Some U.S. lawmakers who have supported Turkey warned of consequences for Ankara since the Security Council vote and the flotilla raid that left eight Turks and one Turkish-American dead. The lawmakers accused Turkey of supporting a flotilla that aimed to undermine Israel's blockade of Gaza and of cozying up to Iran.

The raid has led to chilling of ties between Turkey and Israel, countries that have long maintained a strategic alliance in the Middle East.

Turkey's ambassador to the United States, Namik Tan, expressed surprise at Gordon's comments. He said Turkey's commitment to NATO remains strong and should not be questioned.

"I think this is unfair," he said.

Tan said Turkish officials have explained repeatedly to U.S. counterparts that voting against the proposed sanctions was the only credible decision after the Turkish-brokered deal with Iran. Turkey has opposed sanctions as ineffective and damaging to its interests with an important neighbor. It has said that it hopes to maintain channels with Tehran to continue looking for a solution to the standoff over Iran's alleged nuclear arms ambitions.

"We couldn't have voted otherwise," Tan said. "We put our own credibility behind this thing."

Tan said that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was expected to discuss these issues with President Barack Obama on the margins of a summit of world economic powers in Toronto on Saturday.

Gordon said Turkey's explanations of the U.N. episode have not been widely understood in Washington.

"There is a lot of questioning going on about Turkey's orientation and its ongoing commitment to strategic partnership with the United States," he said. "Turkey, as a NATO ally and a strong partner of the United States not only didn't abstain but voted no, and I think that Americans haven't understood why." ((( THEY JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY TURKEY OR ANYONE WOULD VOTE THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST AS OPPOSED TO US SELF INTEREST, WTF IS WRONG W/ THOSE TURKS, WE JUST DON'T GET IT :crazzy: )))