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Moby
06-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Interesting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100614/ap_on_bi_ge/us_drones_over_america
By JOAN LOWY, Associated Press Writer Joan Lowy, Associated Press Writer – Mon Jun 14, 10:01 am ET
WASHINGTON – Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.

The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.

On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes. Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack. The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.

The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars' license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing suspects.

Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.

"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in (civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of vehicles."

There are two types of unmanned planes: Drones, which are automated planes programmed to fly a particular mission, and aircraft that are remotely controlled by someone on the ground, sometimes from thousands of miles away.

Last year, the FAA promised defense officials it would have a plan this year. The agency, which has worked on this issue since 2006, has reams of safety regulations that govern every aspect of civilian aviation but is just beginning to write regulations for unmanned aircraft.

"I think industry and some of the operators are frustrated that we're not moving fast enough, but safety is first," Krakowski said in an interview. "This isn't Afghanistan. This isn't Iraq. This is a part of the world that has a lot of light airplanes flying around, a lot of business jets."

One major concern is the prospect of lost communication between unmanned aircraft and the operators who remotely control them. Another is a lack of firm separation of aircraft at lower altitudes, away from major cities and airports. Planes entering these areas are not required to have collision warning systems or even transponders. Simply being able to see another plane and take action is the chief means of preventing accidents.

The Predator B, already in use for border patrol, can fly for 20 hours without refueling, compared with a helicopter's average flight time of just over two hours. Homeland Security wants to expand their use along the borders of Mexico and Canada, and along coastlines for spotting smugglers of drugs and illegal aliens. The Coast Guard wants to use them for search and rescue.

The National Transportation Safety Board held a forum in 2008 on safety concerns associated with pilotless aircraft after a Predator crashed in Arizona. The board concluded the ground operator remotely controlling the plane had inadvertently cut off the plane's fuel.

Texas officials, including Gov. Rick Perry, Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn, and Rep. Henry Cuellar, have been leaning on the FAA to approve requests to use unmanned aircraft along the Texas-Mexico border. FAA recently approved one request to use the planes along the border near El Paso, but another request to use them along the Texas Gulf Coast and near Brownsville is still pending.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has told lawmakers that safety concerns are behind the delays. Cornyn is blocking a Senate confirmation vote on President Barack Obama's nominee for the No. 2 FAA job, Michael Huerta, to keep the pressure on.

Other lawmakers want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border. A bill approved by the Senate gives FAA a year to come up with a plan; a House version extends the deadline until Sept. 30, 2013, but directs the transportation secretary to give unmanned aircraft permission to fly before the plan is complete, if that can be done safely.

Marion Blakey, a former FAA administrator and president of the Aerospace Industries Association, whose members include unmanned aircraft developers, said the agency has been granting approvals on a case by case basis but the pace is picking up. She acknowledged that there are still safety concerns that need to be addressed before the planes can be used more widely.

Some concerns will be alleviated when the FAA moves from a radar-based air traffic control system to one based on GPS technology. Then, every aircraft will be able to advise controllers and other aircraft of their location continually. However, that's a decade off.

Michael Barr, a University of Southern California aviation safety instructor, said the matter should not be rushed.

"All it takes is one catastrophe," Barr said. "They'll investigate, find they didn't do it correctly, there'll be an outcry and it will set them back years."

Bill Cosby
06-14-2010, 03:39 PM
Taking big brother & peeping tom to the next level........

Binky
06-14-2010, 04:04 PM
I would bet they'd be used for more that the borders and search and rescue. Just more big brother stuff. They won't be happy until they force us all to purchase a camera for our homes so the gov't can watch......

doctordog
06-14-2010, 05:09 PM
If they started intruding and spying it would be interesting to see how many are shot down.

Binky
06-14-2010, 05:18 PM
If they started intruding and spying it would be interesting to see how many are shot down.


We'll let you take the first pot shot at them.....:lmao2:

doctordog
06-14-2010, 05:19 PM
We'll let you take the first pot shot at them.....:lmao2:

I won't have to, one of the nuts from Knob Creek will:thumbsup:

Binky
06-14-2010, 05:20 PM
I won't have to, one of the nuts from Knob Creek will:thumbsup:


That could be true. There are enough weapons there to start a war.....

doctordog
06-14-2010, 05:21 PM
That could be true. There are enough weapons there to start a war.....

It gave me the fever, I have bought 2 handguns and 4 rifles since that event.

Bill Cosby
06-14-2010, 05:46 PM
Not sure where knob creek is?? Is that in the moonshine state by chance??lol

I was thinking the same thing about some ppl using them for target practice....... But I think some of them can fly very high..

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I also wonder why ppl or kids (they aint ppl till 18.lol) don't vandalize those photo enforced right light cameras...............???

I would of thought a baseball bat or spray paint would be a real problem......

doctordog
06-14-2010, 05:51 PM
Not sure where knob creek is?? Is that in the moonshine state by chance??lol


Here is a good video, the actual site is between Louisville and Elizabethtown KY:

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Cactus
06-15-2010, 01:17 AM
creepy stuff

Bill Cosby
06-15-2010, 01:33 PM
LOL....... I was thinking kinda scary.......

Dog, you fired fully auto before???

Is that legal there??

I hope they don't sell booze during these events......lol

doctordog
06-15-2010, 03:41 PM
LOL....... I was thinking kinda scary.......

Dog, you fired fully auto before???

Is that legal there??

I hope they don't sell booze during these events......lol

I have, there are actual permits out there for the people that own these great pieces of history. I went the April show this year and it was interesting seeing all the gatling guns along with the stuff from the war. No alcohol. I think it is funny how some people think they are above it when some of their friends might have been there. There were several Italian sports cars and Bentleys in the valet parking area.

Bill Cosby
06-15-2010, 04:57 PM
I have, there are actual permits out there for the people that own these great pieces of history. I went the April show this year and it was interesting seeing all the gatling guns along with the stuff from the war. No alcohol. I think it is funny how some people think they are above it when some of their friends might have been there. There were several Italian sports cars and Bentleys in the valet parking area.

I bet they were hard to find in all those pick up trucks & plaid.........:lmao2:

Is it a gun show?? Buying selling??

doctordog
06-15-2010, 09:00 PM
I bet they were hard to find in all those pick up trucks & plaid.........:lmao2:

Is it a gun show?? Buying selling??

Yes, ton of WWII, Korean, and Vietnam period weapons along with present day assault rifles and handguns. It is a great place to buy cheap ammo.

Mr, gone
06-16-2010, 01:18 AM
Here is a good video, the actual site is between Louisville and Elizabethtown KY:

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Shock and Awe for rednecks!:lmao2:

kres24GT
06-16-2010, 08:08 AM
Pretty funny that people keep laughing at me for telling them the police state is coming. Those who vote for Big Government, this is what you want.

doctordog
06-16-2010, 12:15 PM
Shock and Awe for rednecks!:lmao2:

I promise the rednecks were few and far between, they can't afford the kind of weapons that were for sale at this show. Doctors, lawyers, and land owners were plentiful.:thumbsup:

Bill Cosby
06-16-2010, 01:55 PM
Dog, you are just an elitist pig,,,, Aahhh I mean dawg...........:lmao2:

You need to stop attending those shows full of old men driving Bently's & get back in touch w/ the common man or aahhh women, as the case may be..

I have not been to the range in a long time but I am thinking I may need to brush up on my skills..............

SO lets take it to the range........Start out slow..wtwlRcFZ1ws

So somethin like this don't happen S-iP6cisuqU

It is w/ the common folk one can find true gun camaraderie
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A few how to vids to brush up on skillz
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