Watching MSNBCs two hour replay of 9/11 realtime was moving

[Bill]

It evoked such memories of the unity of those days.

Such a shame we had a manichean idiot in the white house, to cheat us all and destroy the unity.

[disrupter]

did you spot the missile flashes just before the jets impacted the WTC towers?

Or see the hanging undercarriage on the second [south tower] WTC jet?

911 was created by the NSA.
Carried out probably by a bunch of israelis who were caught blowing up a van on Manhattan & driving a truckload of explosives on the George Washington Bridge that day.
Let alone the israeli 'art' students cheering, dancing, laughing & filming the Tower's collapse from the New Jersey shore.

[Bill]

Fascinating mythology.

This is what obsessive secrecy produces - a soviet union style popular folklore that assumes the government is always lying.

Because if it's always lying about the little stuff, there's no reason to trust it about the big stuff.

[kres24GT]

It evoked such memories of the unity of those days.

Such a shame we had a manichean idiot in the white house, to cheat us all and destroy the unity.


It's 100% Bush's fault, no doubt.

[Bill]

He just makes such a beautiful goat, it's irresistable.

However, it's the american people who destroyed their own unity.

I love this freekin war. The best thing that happened to this country in 62 years.

[kres24GT]

He just makes such a beautiful goat, it's irresistable.

However, it's the american people who destroyed their own unity.

I love this freekin war. The best thing that happened to this country in 62 years.


Plenty of blame to go around for destroying the unity. Bush certainly gets his share. 99.99999% of all politicians can take a fair share of it.

[disrupter]

Have you looked at the pentagon 911 video?
Oops, no jumbo jet as you see the side of the pentagon explode.
Even an experienced pilot can not fly a jumbo jet at 6 to 9 feet off the ground at 400mph, let along some schmucks who couldn't even fly a cessna.

The whole 911 story is absurd once you examine the facts.

I don't claim to know who did it.
But Israelis were caught red-handed blowing up a van on manhattan & driving a truckload of explosives across the George Washington bridge on 911,
and for which no charges have ever been filed?
Additionally Israeli 'art' students filmed, laughed, danced & cheered on the Jersey shore as the WTC towers collapsed.

The NSA is nothing more than gangsters who operate at taxpayer's expense.
They assist global looting by corporations & happily break the law, violate the constitution & shaft the American public.
They are traitorous, they are criminal.

[Bill]

It's interesting how this mythic imagery is a mirror image of the kinds of anti-federal rhetoric the extreme right wing militia movement was expousing in the 80's and 90's, disrupter.

It's in the nature of folk beliefs that they are irresistable.

[disrupter]

I feel quite confident that he NSA & other federal agencies were directly involved blowing up the Murrah building in Oklahoma City.

They want to create a seductive melodrama that will suck all the rational skepticism from thinking people. To 'Take our breaths away'.

911 was much more visual & compelling on a visceral level. I was struck by how it resembled 'Independence Day' where the iconic Empire State building was exploded.

I still don't know why they didn't just use a jumbo jet on the pentagon?
They confiscated most of the security camera footage from local establishments, but let the small amount of footage get out that proves it is a hoax of some kind.

Besides the logistics of skimming 6 to 9 feet off the ground in a jumbo jet is absurd for an experienced pilot let alone some novice who barely got certified at a flight school with Christian Fundamentalist connections.

The whole thing stinks.

The real shock & awe was 911 itself.
Completely out of the blue.
Letting gullible Americans believe 'outsiders' were attacking them, when in fact it was deep establishment elements here in America that facilitated its occurrence.

Obviously our addiction to getting role cast in emotional melodrama as the 'victim' or 'good guy' is stronger than any vestige of commitment to analytical analysis of fact using neutral, skeptical minds.

Why do we believe? Because we want & perhaps on some level 'need' to believe in the myth of ourselves &/or America.

Now our myth of being the condescending dispensers of democracy, 'virtuous' :disbelief: capitalism, & all social goods allows us to trample around all over Iraqi independence & self respect.

Who benefits? Bechtel, Halliburton, Blackwater & if they can steal Iraq oil with the new oil law, the ex-patriot oil companies.
Who pays? America, in troops, 2 trillion, & robbing future generations of their economic prosperity, & in any self respect we might have ever had as an upstanding, even-handed broker in the world.

NSA: Raping the planet, one nation at a time.

Does not bode well for the sustained survival of the human species.
We are most likely our own worst enemies.