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Cactus
06-01-2010, 02:02 AM
Our Epic Foolishness

By BOB HERBERT The New York Times
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/bobherbert/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Published: May 31, 2010

If a bank is too big to fail, it’s way too big to exist. If an oil well is too far beneath the sea to be plugged when something goes wrong, it’s too deep to be drilled in the first place.

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Bob Herbert




When are we going to stop behaving so stupidly? We nearly wrecked the economy and we’re all but buried in debt. But we can’t break up the biggest banks, and we can’t raise taxes. Now we’re fouling the magnificent Gulf of Mexico and ruining entire communities along the southern Louisiana Coast.
And, by the way, we’re still fighting a futile war in Afghanistan that we’ve been fighting with nonstop futility for nearly a decade. (I’m sure the troops saddled with this thankless task were thrilled to see fans and teams demonstrating their undying support for their efforts by wearing fancy baseball caps on Memorial Day.)
For a nation that can’t stop bragging about how great and powerful it is, we’ve become shockingly helpless in the face of the many challenges confronting us. Our can-do spirit was put on hold many moons ago, and here we are now unable to defeat the Taliban, or rein in the likes of BP and the biggest banks, or stop the oil gushing furiously from the bowels of earth like a warning from Hades about the hubris and ignorance that is threatening to destroy us.
BP and the Obama administration have been equally clueless about halting the millions of gallons of oil that have flowed into the gulf since the Deepwater Horizon explosion more than a month ago. President Obama’s top adviser on energy policy, Carol Browner, unintentionally underscored the monumental futility of the response in a comment she made on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday.
“This is obviously a difficult situation,” said Ms. Browner, “but it’s important for people to understand that from the beginning, the government has been in charge.”
Got that? No one has been able to bring the crisis under control, and no one expects it to be brought under control soon, but the important thing for us to know is that the government has been in charge of this epic failure all along.
However and whenever the well gets capped, what we really need is leadership that calls on the American public to begin coping in a serious and sustained way with an energy crisis that we’ve been warned about for decades. If the worst environmental disaster in the country’s history is not enough to bring about a reversal of our epic foolishness on the energy front, then nothing will.
The first thing we can do is conserve more. That’s the low-hanging fruit in any clean-energy strategy.
It’s fast, cheap and easy. It’s something that all Americans, young and old, can be asked to participate in immediately. In that sense, it’s a way of combating the pervasive feelings of helplessness that have become so demoralizing and so destructive to our long-term interests.
People have talked about energy conservation for the longest time. But we have dawdled on making vehicles more fuel-efficient and weatherizing our homes and insisting that commercial buildings be more energy efficient, and so on. Turn those thermostats down a couple of degrees in the winter and up in the summer. Figure out ways to have a little fun while doing it.
We also need a carbon tax. The current crisis is the perfect opportunity for our political leaders to explain to the public why this is so important and what benefits would come from it.
Above all, I’d like to see the creation of a second Manhattan Project that would lead us in a few years to an environment in which alternative fuels are abundant, effective and affordable. We are a pathetically weak player in that game right now.
Instead of staring mesmerized at the tragedy in the gulf, like spectators at a train wreck, we should be trying to regain that innovative can-do spirit that made America the greatest of nations.
All around us is the wreckage of our failure to master the challenges confronting us. We see it in the many millions of Americans who remain out of work and whose hopes are not rising despite all the talk of economic recovery. We see it in the schools where teachers are walking the plank by the scores of thousands because of state and local budget problems.
We see it in the shrinking middle class and in the black community where depressionlike conditions are fostering not just a sense of helplessness, but despair.
What’s needed is dynamic leadership (it doesn’t have to come from the top) to reinvigorate the spirit of America and turn that sense of helplessness around.

Lou_Dobbs
06-01-2010, 02:59 AM
It's time for people to come together, no, not with pitchforks and guns but with love and care for one another.

Local communities need to start getting together to get to know each other and help each other out. Those with more should WANT to help those with less. It shouldn't be forced onto people they should want to help their fellow Americans, their neighbours.

Sitting around bitching about Obama or stuff Bush did 6 years ago isn't going to help anything, in fact, it's going to lead to nothing.

It's time to stop asking what can the government do for us and start asking what can we do for each other.

This culture of lies, bullying, and division needs to be fixed. It won't start at the top it has to start at the bottom.

Instead of watching Glenn Beck or Olbermann for an hour people should get together and talk to their neighbors about solutions to problems we all face.

The word ''race'' should never come up.

mwillman
06-01-2010, 12:27 PM
It's time for people to come together, no, not with pitchforks and guns but with love and care for one another.

Local communities need to start getting together to get to know each other and help each other out. Those with more should WANT to help those with less. It shouldn't be forced onto people they should want to help their fellow Americans, their neighbours.

Sitting around bitching about Obama or stuff Bush did 6 years ago isn't going to help anything, in fact, it's going to lead to nothing.

It's time to stop asking what can the government do for us and start asking what can we do for each other.

This culture of lies, bullying, and division needs to be fixed. It won't start at the top it has to start at the bottom.

Instead of watching Glenn Beck or Olbermann for an hour people should get together and talk to their neighbors about solutions to problems we all face.

The word ''race'' should never come up.

Unicorns should defend the brownies from the evil fairies that want an end to the land of OZ.

Our culture is far more then just bullying, lies, and division. People get together all the time to fix problems. The problem is not that we don't try to fix problems. The problem is we differ in what to do and what the problems are.

For instance Bush was president 1 1/2 years ago not 6 years ago and what he did had serious repercussions that are effecting us today. We should not just forget about it because it directly relates to how we fix the problems.

Race will keep coming up until we have a nation that treats everyone equally.
Which our nation does not. I could point you to many studies that show that this nation is still very racist and ignoring it wont fix it.

This is a nation of 300 million people and as long as some people keep thinking problems can be solved with bake sales the longer the problems will exist.

Cactus
06-01-2010, 04:03 PM
Not letting industry regulate themselves would be a good start.

mwillman
06-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Not letting industry regulate themselves would be a good start.

I totally agree with you. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cactus
06-01-2010, 04:26 PM
I totally agree with you. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Cactus
06-01-2010, 04:31 PM
Figures that Republicans are no longer whining about big government as Bobby Jindal tries like hell not to have a nervous breakdown while the cameras are rolling...lol.

Lou_Dobbs
06-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Unicorns should defend the brownies from the evil fairies that want an end to the land of OZ.

Our culture is far more then just bullying, lies, and division. People get together all the time to fix problems. The problem is not that we don't try to fix problems. The problem is we differ in what to do and what the problems are.

For instance Bush was president 1 1/2 years ago not 6 years ago and what he did had serious repercussions that are effecting us today. We should not just forget about it because it directly relates to how we fix the problems.

Race will keep coming up until we have a nation that treats everyone equally.
Which our nation does not. I could point you to many studies that show that this nation is still very racist and ignoring it wont fix it.

This is a nation of 300 million people and as long as some people keep thinking problems can be solved with bake sales the longer the problems will exist.

So you want to force people to not be racist?

Forcing people will never work. They have to do it on their own.


All I get from your post is we should continue to argue and fight amongst each other. And I'm guessing you feel everyone should agree with your views. That's not going to happen.

mwillman
06-01-2010, 06:12 PM
So you want to force people to not be racist?

Forcing people will never work. They have to do it on their own.


All I get from your post is we should continue to argue and fight amongst each other. And I'm guessing you feel everyone should agree with your views. That's not going to happen.

I dont want to force anyone. I know very well that racists are not changed with force.

I do think that if they are publicly racist than people should ostracize them and I do think that our laws should not be racist and the enforcement of those laws should not be racist. Which they are as has been proven many times over in study after study.

I think that we as a people will always argue but that doesn't mean we cannot also find compromise and solutions.

That said I would say its the right that are being the more extreme and almost totally unwilling to find common ground with what is the majority vote in congress. Just check the records, more filibusters, and more attempts to stop any legislation then any time in the nations history.

The party of no is more interested in regaining power then they are working to solve problems.

Lou_Dobbs
06-01-2010, 07:20 PM
I dont want to force anyone. I know very well that racists are not changed with force.

I do think that if they are publicly racist than people should ostracize them and I do think that our laws should not be racist and the enforcement of those laws should not be racist. Which they are as has been proven many times over in study after study.

I think that we as a people will always argue but that doesn't mean we cannot also find compromise and solutions.

That said I would say its the right that are being the more extreme and almost totally unwilling to find common ground with what is the majority vote in congress. Just check the records, more filibusters, and more attempts to stop any legislation then any time in the nations history.

The party of no is more interested in regaining power then they are working to solve problems.

Well I dislike both parties, I feel they are both to blame.

Until people stop backing one party and attacking the other we will not see any progress.

People can go back and forth attacking each other every single day for the rest of their lives and nothing good will come of it. This board is proof of that. I don't even post much but I can tell you what's coming just by reading the username.

And both parties are interested in power. The Republicans want it back and the Dems want to keep it. Same old game.

Dale escondido
06-01-2010, 07:45 PM
Well I dislike both parties, I feel they are both to blame.

Until people stop backing one party and attacking the other we will not see any progress.

People can go back and forth attacking each other every single day for the rest of their lives and nothing good will come of it. This board is proof of that. I don't even post much but I can tell you what's coming just by reading the username.

And both parties are interested in power. The Republicans want it back and the Dems want to keep it. Same old game.

And the constant battles over every issue we see here show why the dems and repugs are unsinkable.
I agree most of us could write the post reply based on the sir names.

mwillman
06-01-2010, 08:23 PM
So we have people that chose sides and people that complain about it.

We are a nation of 300 million people. We are not going to agree, that is why we have to find compromise.

I agree both sides want power but in no time in the history of this nation 230 years has one party done so much to stop the workings of government.

We have flourished under a mostly 2 party system for 230 years. Starting with Hamilton and Jefferson we have been divided on many things but we have always been about to over come that division when it comes to the truly important.

The point is not to just disavow everything because times are hard and people don't get along. The point is to understand that we can thrive again if we make the right choices.

My argument is that those choices should be based on facts and history not on ideologies that have been proven to be a failure. We have had neo cons in power for most of the last 30 years and the only time we did well was when it wasnt a neo con.

Lou_Dobbs
06-01-2010, 08:27 PM
I don't think we should have to choose between two parties.

And nope the Tea Party doesn't count as an option.

We need some new blood, new ideas, you know that ''change'' that we were suppost to get. I haven't seen any change I've seen a different clown wearing the same costume.

Cactus
06-01-2010, 09:39 PM
I honestly wonder people that complain about the current system actually vote?

It's really the first step.

Ca has a publicly financed elections proposition on their ballot which is also a HUGE step in the right direction.

Bill Cosby
06-01-2010, 09:42 PM
I don't think we should have to choose between two parties.

And nope the Tea Party doesn't count as an option.

We need some new blood, new ideas, you know that ''change'' that we were suppost to get. I haven't seen any change I've seen a different clown wearing the same costume.

I would also like to see a parliamentary system in the USA but the two parties control the game & are never going to give it up....

Moby
06-01-2010, 10:35 PM
I rarely vote for incumbents. I voted twice for Reagan and twice for Clinton. I've voted for people as far right as Mark Sanford and Jim Demint but also voted against every Bush, even though I think George H was a good man and wanted to do better.

I would have voted for McCain in 2000 but would never consider voting for him in 2008 as the climate changed.

We have two parties. That's about it. I plan on firing some people this election but most Americans will not consider it. They will continue to vote for one party and continue to elect people that should be fired.

Cactus
06-01-2010, 10:39 PM
Many people don't seem to care to be informed.
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