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Hawkeye2j
05-28-2010, 09:40 PM
They don't use a papers please approach

With one lawmaker citing President Lincoln's respect for the rule of law, the Massachusetts Senate passed a far-reaching crackdown this afternoon on illegal immigrants and those who would hire them, going further, senators said, than any immigration bill proposed over the past five years.

In a surprising turn of events, the legislation replaced a narrower bill that was passed Wednesday over the objections of Republicans.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/05/mass_senate_pas.html

Trinnity
05-28-2010, 10:18 PM
Good for Mass.

Mr, gone
05-29-2010, 03:33 AM
Finally, a bill that both makes sense and doesn't discriminate.:thumbsup:

Mason66
05-29-2010, 04:02 AM
OK so now Mass will find illegals that have jobs. The state will make hundreds of thousands of dollars from fines and be able to get rid of the illegals.

Now what do they do about the illegals that are not working and dealing drugs?

California Chrome
05-29-2010, 06:07 AM
They don't use a papers please approachSo, if someone is seen driving without a tag or is suspected of violating the law, vehicular or otherwise, they aren't asked for a drivers license or ID? You must have a lot of crime there.

Dale escondido
05-29-2010, 08:33 AM
Another positive move :thumbsup:
Maybe the only logic left IS at the state level.

Pat
05-29-2010, 09:05 AM
They don't use a papers please approach

With one lawmaker citing President Lincoln's respect for the rule of law, the Massachusetts Senate passed a far-reaching crackdown this afternoon on illegal immigrants and those who would hire them, going further, senators said, than any immigration bill proposed over the past five years.

In a surprising turn of events, the legislation replaced a narrower bill that was passed Wednesday over the objections of Republicans.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/05/mass_senate_pas.html
Nobody is being told to present their "papers". They are being asked to supply identification. It's no different than being asked to supply identification when you are applying for a job.
The only reason people are using the term "papers", is to make it sound all sinister and Nazi-like. Your neural linguistic programming by the media is now complete. Carry on with your bleating.

Smurf-Herder
05-29-2010, 09:34 AM
Nobody is being told to present their "papers". They are being asked to supply identification. It's no different than being asked to supply identification when you are applying for a job.
The only reason people are using the term "papers", is to make it sound all sinister and Nazi-like. Your neural linguistic programming by the media is now complete. Carry on with your bleating.

I believe it's the law, for decades, that an immigrant is required to have their Green Card on them at all times. I'm assuming that's for having proper identification when asked.

foxbaron
05-29-2010, 03:43 PM
I believe it's the law, for decades, that an immigrant is required to have their Green Card on them at all times. I'm assuming that's for having proper identification when asked.


Its the law so they can prove their legitimacy to be in this country. Not anymore difficult to carry than a driver's license and just as easily to display upon request.

If you are here legally you should be more than willing to produce it when asked. If you have a problem in producing it then maybe you shouldn't be here in the first place.

Mason66
05-29-2010, 08:38 PM
Those that have aproblem showing their ID to a peace officer usually have something to hide.

Hawkeye2j
05-29-2010, 09:42 PM
Its the law so they can prove their legitimacy to be in this country. Not anymore difficult to carry than a driver's license and just as easily to display upon request.

If you are here legally you should be more than willing to produce it when asked. If you have a problem in producing it then maybe you shouldn't be here in the first place.
And if it is an American citizen being stopped and has no identification?

Kanadesaga
05-30-2010, 05:17 AM
And if it is an American citizen being stopped and has no identification?


Don't confuse them with high probability scenarios.

Mason66
05-30-2010, 05:20 AM
And if it is an American citizen being stopped and has no identification?

Do you know any American citizen that doesn't have some type of ID? A state issued ID or a drivers license is common for a citizen.

If you don't have it on you, just give the number, or even your full name to the officer and with the computer in his car he can check who you are.

Why do you keep harping on this point?

Dale escondido
05-30-2010, 08:27 AM
Do you know any American citizen that doesn't have some type of ID? A state issued ID or a drivers license is common for a citizen.

If you don't have it on you, just give the number, or even your full name to the officer and with the computer in his car he can check who you are.

Why do you keep harping on this point?

Liberals don't defy logic they destroy it.

Smurf-Herder
05-30-2010, 10:36 AM
Liberals don't defy logic they destroy it.

Because virtually every issue they deal with is on an emotional level.

Hawkeye2j
05-30-2010, 02:55 PM
But why should American citizens be subjected to this?

Mason66
05-30-2010, 03:10 PM
But why should American citizens be subjected to this?

Subjected to what?

Every time a police officer has contact with a person, they ask for ID. EVERY TIME.

They have to determine if the person has any warrants.

I don't understand why this is difficult for you to understand.

Kanadesaga
05-30-2010, 08:22 PM
Subjected to what?

Every time a police officer has contact with a person, they ask for ID. EVERY TIME.

They have to determine if the person has any warrants.

I don't understand why this is difficult for you to understand.


and what is so difficult for you to understand that it isn't the "producing papers" that we have a problem with. It is the situation that arises when you mandate that law enforcement continually check ID. And may do so for any reason. Especially for the reason you are brown and in Arizona.

California Chrome
05-30-2010, 08:40 PM
and what is so difficult for you to understand that it isn't the "producing papers" that we have a problem with. It is the situation that arises when you mandate that law enforcement continually check ID. And may do so for any reason. Especially for the reason you are brown and in Arizona.The 1070 law doesn't state or imply that. Stop spreading misinformation.

Hawkeye2j
05-30-2010, 09:04 PM
The 1070 law doesn't state or imply that. Stop spreading misinformation.
It is what it will easily evolve into. Anyone with common sense can see that.

foxbaron
05-30-2010, 09:30 PM
And if it is an American citizen being stopped and has no identification?


If a person is stopped on foot they have no requirement to produce identification Howver if they are driving a motor vehicle they are required to display a drivers license upon demand by the officer. Failure to produce a drivers license may well end up in the individual being arrested and taken in to post bond to ensure their appearance in court. At the bond posting stage they will be required to produce valid identification.

Now if the fella that was stopped on foot speaks no english, can't understand the Officer, starts acting real nervous it may be a clue that he is an illegal.

foxbaron
05-30-2010, 09:35 PM
It is what it will easily evolve into. Anyone with common sense can see that.


And common sense tells you, so what. At least its a start considering the feds will do nothing about it.

Being brown and being in Arizona is a good start to establishing probable cause that the person is illegal. That alone isn't enough, but its a good start.

Hawkeye2j
05-30-2010, 10:01 PM
And common sense tells you, so what. At least its a start considering the feds will do nothing about it.

Being brown and being in Arizona is a good start to establishing probable cause that the person is illegal. That alone isn't enough, but its a good start.
That is a racist remark.

Mason66
05-30-2010, 11:04 PM
and what is so difficult for you to understand that it isn't the "producing papers" that we have a problem with. It is the situation that arises when you mandate that law enforcement continually check ID. And may do so for any reason. Especially for the reason you are brown and in Arizona.

Where did you get the idea that brown people have to produce ID in Arizona and why are you asking about Arizona on a thread about Mass?

Kanadesaga
05-30-2010, 11:28 PM
The 1070 law doesn't state or imply that. Stop spreading misinformation.

"reasonable suspicion"

Kanadesaga
05-30-2010, 11:31 PM
And common sense tells you, so what. At least its a start considering the feds will do nothing about it.

Being brown and being in Arizona is a good start to establishing probable cause that the person is illegal. That alone isn't enough, but its a good start.


Then we could also assume all fundamental xtians are terrorists based upon their actions; Rader, Fred Phelps, et al and round them up, it's a good start to ending terrorism in this country.

Kanadesaga
05-31-2010, 12:34 AM
Where did you get the idea that brown people have to produce ID in Arizona and why are you asking about Arizona on a thread about Mass?


The 1070 law gives authority, no, mandates that all law enforcement must ascertain a person's citizenship. If not any citizen can sue the municipality for faillure to do so. None of you Einsteins has figured out that this is just a scam by some to make money suing municipalites, any municipality that has even one illegal in it.

doctordog
05-31-2010, 01:18 AM
"reasonable suspicion"

You better stay our of Arizona then.

Mason66
05-31-2010, 01:45 AM
The 1070 law gives authority, no, mandates that all law enforcement must ascertain a person's citizenship. If not any citizen can sue the municipality for faillure to do so. None of you Einsteins has figured out that this is just a scam by some to make money suing municipalites, any municipality that has even one illegal in it.

I think you need to read it again if you ever did.

It doesn't matter to you that the police have to have legal contact with the person first, that means the person was or was suspected of commiting another crime before your fears are realized.

You have a problem with the police asking criminals about their citizenship?

Hawkeye2j
05-31-2010, 12:45 PM
Legal contact can be manipulated in numerous ways.

Mason66
05-31-2010, 12:59 PM
Legal contact can be manipulated in numerous ways.

So your problem is not with the law but with the police.

You think they are not capable of enforcing a simple law like this one.

How did you get so anti-law enforcement?

Hawkeye2j
05-31-2010, 01:08 PM
So your problem is not with the law but with the police.

You think they are not capable of enforcing a simple law like this one.

How did you get so anti-law enforcement?
Law enforcement is opposed to this law.

Kanadesaga
05-31-2010, 02:11 PM
You better stay our of Arizona then.

and you better stay away sheep ranches.

Kanadesaga
05-31-2010, 02:13 PM
I think you need to read it again if you ever did.

It doesn't matter to you that the police have to have legal contact with the person first, that means the person was or was suspected of commiting another crime before your fears are realized.

You have a problem with the police asking criminals about their citizenship?

I've read it. You really think "legal contact" is going to be the rule? :lmao2:

foxbaron
05-31-2010, 03:46 PM
That is a racist remark.


Why do you think so?

Hawkeye2j
05-31-2010, 04:28 PM
Why do you think so?
Because it is saying color alone is enough to create suspicion.

Pat
05-31-2010, 04:55 PM
Because it is saying color alone is enough to create suspicion.
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=14022&highlight=white
Post #4,

I think blaming the black man has been a crutch for white people.

Hawkeye2j
05-31-2010, 04:58 PM
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=14022&highlight=white
Post #4,
Your point?

Pat
05-31-2010, 05:29 PM
Your point?
That swooshing sound you hear is the point flying over your head.

Hawkeye2j
05-31-2010, 06:00 PM
That swooshing sound you hear is the point flying over your head.
Intelligence is not your strong suit.