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Jesse Hemingway

09-15-2006, 04:33 PM

so lets just be clear your saying that Bush and company murdered those 3000+ people ????

if you want I can move this thread to the
speak your mind forum

so more people see it:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I like this article because we were sold the Iraqi war on less facts, or about the same amount of lies, as the governments verison on 9/11 our government does not have the creditability to be trusted on anything they say.

Ah, Those Conspiracy Theories
by John Young

The nation’s foremost 9/11 conspiracy theorist was on “Meet the Press” Sunday. And we all thought conspiracy theorists got no face time in mainstream media.

Well, it helps when you are vice president of the United States.

That would be Dick Cheney. Next possibly to Fox News, he’s the chief agent behind the belief held by so many, including many in our fighting forces, that we attacked Iraq because it had something to do with 9/11.

Months after President Bush said that it wasn’t so, a Senate Intelligence Committee report said it again last week. Saddam Hussein not only detested al-Qaida but apparently tried to capture Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Pressed about this by NBC’s Tim Russert, Cheney said he hadn’t read the report. That’s amazing. Then again, it’s not.

When I mentioned 9/11 conspiracy theorists, you thought first about people who believe that the U.S. government was behind 9/11 or did nothing to prevent it.

These individuals are dismissed as kooks and crazies. But those who send young men and women off to war based on politically calculated leaps of reasoning get treated with deference and motorcades.

Time magazine had a story last week titled “Why the 9/11 conspiracies won’t go away.”

It wasn’t talking about Bush-Cheney’s explanations for going to war. It was talking about those who believe our government might have brought down the Twin Towers.

Time didn’t really say why those theories won’t go away. But a set of polls helped.

Stunningly, a Scripps-Howard Poll recently found that 36 percent of Americans —yes, more than one in three — don’t believe the established accounts of what happened on 9/11.

What else don’t they believe?

For one, a Time poll found that 54 percent believe the U.S. role in Iraq is “hurting, not helping” the “war on terrorism.” Implied: At least that many Americans don’t equate Iraq and the war on terrorism at all.

Fifty-three percent don’t believe Saddam had any connection to 9/11. This is in sobering contrast to a Zogby Poll that found as many as 85 percent of U.S. troops in Iraq in February said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9/11 attacks.”

Seventy-seven percent of those troops said they believe a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al-Qaida in Iraq.”

Like our vice president, they haven’t read the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report, either.

All said, it should surprise no one to see the level-orange polling numbers showing distrust in our government.

Sunday, Cheney told Russert that the fact that no Americans have been killed on the homeland since 9/11 should “give some credence to the notion that maybe somebody did something right.”

That might be so, relative to the homeland. But many Americans would point out that the invasion of Iraq has resulted in almost as many American deaths as happened on Sept. 11, 2001, and made the Middle East far less stable than before.

This puts a gruesome twist on the throw-away line that “we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.” What’s happened is that young Americans have died there to justify old men’s conspiracy theories.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0914-25.htm

Clinton will have kept the USA safer longer then bush I am no fan of clinton.
It is a fact that on clinton's watch he got hit a little over 30 days in office bush was nearly nine months so there is noway the republicans can use that excuse it is not a logicial answer.

SirMoby

09-16-2006, 09:01 AM

That might be so, relative to the homeland.
Some Americans would ask why would OBL want to attack us after we gave into his demands and removed our troops from Saudi Arabia?

Jesse Hemingway

09-16-2006, 11:08 PM

Some Americans would ask why would OBL want to attack us after we gave into his demands and removed our troops from Saudi Arabia?

CIA Learned in '02 That Bin Laden Had No Iraq Ties, Report Says

Washington Post/Walter Pincus | September 16 2006

The CIA learned in late September 2002 from a high-level member of Saddam Hussein's inner circle that Iraq had no past or present contact with Osama bin Laden and that the Iraqi leader considered bin Laden an enemy of the Baghdad regime, according to a recent Senate Intelligence Committee report.

Although President Bush and other senior administration officials were at that time regularly linking Hussein to al-Qaeda, the CIA's highly sensitive intelligence supporting the contrary view was apparently not passed on to the White House or senior Bush policymakers.

Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and two GOP colleagues on the committee disclosed this information for the first time in the panel's report on Iraq released last week. They wrote in the "additional views" section of the report that the Cabinet-level Iraqi official "said that Iraq has no past, current, or anticipated future contact with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda" and that the official "added that bin Laden was in fact a longtime enemy of Iraq."

On Sept. 25, 2002, just days after the CIA received the source's information, President Bush told reporters: "Al-Qaeda hides. Saddam doesn't, but the danger is, is that they work in concert. The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world. . . . [Y]ou can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."
Rest of the story:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/160906cialearned.htm

Lovelynice

09-17-2006, 11:06 PM

so lets just be clear your saying that Bush and company murdered those 3000+ people ????

if you want I can move this thread to the
speak your mind forum

so more people see it

As my little say on the matter, I would have to say YES.

It's not as if crooks and liars and murderers were an uncommon thing in national governments of nations. ANY NATION.

Lovelynice

09-17-2006, 11:31 PM

I can back what I say with more quotes, sources, links, math, videos, etc....

9/11 was a cover-up for a secret coup behind the scenes.

and that's according to Russian military inteligence and the intelligence agencies of several nations.

The WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions, and that is verifiable and provable. Yes, there were planes, but they were only cover for the explosions and to provide a "believable cause".

If this seems fantastic to you, then you are now in the minority internationally.
Be angry.

Lovelynice

09-18-2006, 07:32 AM

Stunningly, a Scripps-Howard Poll recently found that 36 percent of Americans —yes, more than one in three — don’t believe the established accounts of what happened on 9/11.

It's more than that, if you check other polls.

RESULTS OF ONLINE POLLS ABOUT 9/11
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/believe_conspiracy2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/gov_involved2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/wisconson_teach2.jpg

Jesse Hemingway

09-22-2006, 11:39 AM

911: The German Intelligence Report
Anonymous

On Monday August 6, 2001, at 17:50, [German] Ambassador Ischinger personally notified the President of the United States that information developed by the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz [German domestic secret service] as well as the BND [Bundesnachrichtendienst, German foreign secret service] indicated clearly that an attack by a radical Arab group partially based in Germany was to occur on September 10-11, 2001. The President was at that time in residence at his farm in Texas. Our [German] Ambassador was acting in direct response to instructions from Foreign Minister Fischer.

The rest of the story:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/09/21/911_the_german_intelligence_report

Jesse Hemingway

09-26-2006, 12:42 AM

FYI:http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

CatsEye

09-27-2006, 07:09 AM

Jesse Hemingway

09-27-2006, 11:09 AM

Shooting the Shit Forum: "Any Sort of Non Politicial discussion, Pics, Stories or Whatever."

Why not post something like this in the *other* forum Tommy created for it, the Speaking Your Mind Forum: "Politics, Washington, The White House, Congress, The Supreme Court, Religon, Corruption"?

Cheers-
CatsEye

Catseye the bush administration has turned 9/11 into what most magicians call a diversion. The only facts that came from 9/11 are these facts stated by the bush administration: On Sept. 25, 2002, just days after the CIA received the source's information, President Bush told reporters: "Al-Qaeda hides. Saddam doesn't, but the danger is, is that they work in concert. The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world. . . . [Y]ou can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." I guess any thing that is related to the bush administration should be in a fantasy section. Nothing that this administration does or says is nothing more then total bull cht. Everything Hitler did was legal within German law just change the laws; just like day one from when bush came to power our laws started to change:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Lovelynice

09-28-2006, 09:06 AM

This might interest everyone.

New York firemen DID find explosives in the WTC buildings.

Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC 7
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53wdu8IGlE&NR

Jesse Hemingway

01-10-2007, 06:38 PM

1/10/2007

How many times will the commander and CHIMP say 9/11 tonight?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

The American Centurians

01-13-2007, 09:40 AM

1/10/2007

How many times will the commander and CHIMP say 9/11 tonight?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Bush will continue to try and link Iraq and 9/11 until he leaves office; his ego and legacy both depend on it. His book will also link these events. He is now in a total state of confusion. His "neo-con" advisors sold him a very bad plan which has killed and wounded many Americans --all for what!

Kevin
www.theamericancenturians.com

Jesse Hemingway

01-18-2007, 07:55 AM

This is an excellent and factual link it dresses down the United States government fairy tale version of the 9/11 events.:thumbsup:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Kismet

01-22-2007, 12:48 PM

Jesse Hemingway

01-22-2007, 08:01 PM

that you think 9\11 was planned is probaly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. I mean come one..

THe al quaeda admitted to it even, they caught people who admitted to it. We maybe could of prevented it but we didn't plan it . No Way!!!

9\11 saved bush's presidency but he didn't create it . He isn't that smart. That was a great tragedy , no our govt had nothing to do with that.

THat you can deny the common knowledge, is an insult and disgrace to the memory of the brave men and woman who died that day.
SHAME!!!

I can think anything I want to think about, the united states government has changed their answers many times concern events on 9/11 so why would I believe the government. Omissions are they same as lying like the time Rice failed to mention the July 2001 warnings. Al-CIA-Da there stronger then before 9/11 so whats wrong with this picture.

Did you know that some professional pilots attempted to simulate the crash at the pentagon? Using a flight simulator with all the flight data from the alleged plane that hit the pentagon and the computer in the simulator could not do what the airplane did. The simulator crashs every time hundreds of feet before the pentagon the flight simulator can be manipulated easier then a real plane. In a virtual sense it was impossible to do yet again the government's story is bull cht.

Kismet

01-23-2007, 03:14 PM

Kismet

01-23-2007, 03:15 PM

In a virtual sense...how about a sense of reality

Jesse Hemingway

01-23-2007, 08:25 PM

Yes you can think whatever you want and I can disagree and think you are wrong. No reason to believe the U.S govt but how about the hundreds of thousands of people who saw it , who saved people , who survived? Wouldn't they know.

HOw is that not possible or does the pentagon have a force field around it preventing the planes?

Fighter pilots can navigate around skyscrapers and in such obstacles and could land a plane in a building, so why could Al Qaeda whose people commiting this act were fighter pilots?

Your right and many of people heard explosions prior to the WTC coming down yet these individuals were not allowed to testify during the 9/11 commission hearings. Here is a link to the people you honor:
http://www.911eyewitness.com/

There is a picture taken on 9/27/07 at the WTC and piece of heavy equipment removing structural steel that was still nearly white hot. A Boeing 757 carrying 10,000 gallons of jet fuel could not transferee that much energy in an open fire environment. Even if someone filled a containment area with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel placed that piece of structural steel across the burning containment area the structural steel would not be white hot 17 days later.

To accept the government’s version of the jet fuel causing the structural failure then why don’t the jet engines melt in flight? The heat caused by the internal combustion within the jet engine is easily 500 degrees hotter then jet fuel burning in the open air.

If professional pilots load in the data from the flight that alleged to have hit the pentagon and that information causes the simulator to crash before it hit the pentagon that is just science. They were just attempting to reproduce the same results with the data from the government’s version of the story.

It’s not my fault you can not duplicate what happened on 9/11 with the United States governments Verison of what happened.

I disrespect no one by trying to find accurate answers.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Abnormalia

01-23-2007, 08:53 PM

Your right and many of people heard explosions prior to the WTC coming down yet these individuals were not allowed to testify during the 9/11 commission hearings. Here is a link to the people you honor:
http://www.911eyewitness.com/

There is a picture taken on 9/27/07 at the WTC and piece of heavy equipment removing structural steel that was still nearly white hot. A Boeing 757 carrying 10,000 gallons of jet fuel could not transferee that much energy in an open fire environment. Even if someone filled a containment area with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel placed that piece of structural steel across the burning containment area the structural steel would not be white hot 17 days later.

To accept the government’s version of the jet fuel causing the structural failure then why don’t the jet engines melt in flight? The heat caused by the internal combustion within the jet engine is easily 500 degrees hotter then jet fuel burning in the open air.

If professional pilots load in the data from the flight that alleged to have hit the pentagon and that information causes the simulator to crash before it hit the pentagon that is just science. They were just attempting to reproduce the same results with the data from the government’s version of the story.

It’s not my fault you can not duplicate what happened on 9/11 with the United States governments Verison of what happened.

I disrespect no one by trying to find accurate answers.

Hey there Jesse. Would you mind if I tried to clarify your statements? I get confused, and it helps if I clarify your thoughts and input a bit of my own. Thanks.

Now your comments are realitively true, at least in my mind. I do believe there is a picture of a clean up utility machine lifting a red/glowing piece of metal from the wreckage of the towers. I'd also say you would be right in assuming that 10,000 gallons of jetfuel probably couldn't transfer that much heat. But what puzzles me is why you haven't taken into account the possibility that the jetfuel burned off rather quickly, leaving large amounts other office material to burn for many minutes. I mean, if that were true, then I suppose a fire could be allowed to get hot enough to heat up a lot of steel. A fire gets hotter with time, right? No? I'm not saying it happened, but if that were true it would make sense that there would be hot metal in the wreckage still.

But what really gets me, and again, this is just me trying to rationalize things- maybe i'm off my rocker here- but why are you suggesting that the government has claimed that jetfuel caused the high temperatures? I mean, I just can't find any official documentation that says the government claimed the jetfuel did all the work. I'm not the best at researching, so I guess I might have overlooked this newbrief, or article, or official document?

As for your claim about simulations unable to reproduce the flights of the planes on 9/11 i'm also a little confused. What exactly was undertaken to simulate the flights? It was done by professional pilots? I hope they didn't 'simulate' it using real airplanes, that would suck if they crashed :(. Then again, i'm not sure what you're saying by claiming this: Are you suggesting that the planes actually crashed before they hit the towers? I'm so confused :(

Jesse Hemingway

01-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Abnormalia

01-23-2007, 11:56 PM

The government’s version hinges on the heat from the jet fuel reducing the strength of the floor beams causing the floors to collapse. Another critical component to government’s version the fire retardant on the floors steel beams would have to be removed for this speculation to occur.

The person that built the WTC buildings said it could handle a fully loaded 707 crashing into them a fully loaded 707 is a greater load then what did hit on 9/11.

Every major airline company use flight simulators in their training programs. They can plug in any type of airplane the have in their fleet in to the simulator. They can program any major airport in the world to their simulators along with a variety of weather conditions. They have the data on the flight path, the control settings of the plane, planes airspeed, and descending path with this information the plane dose not do what the government said happened at the pentagon. Seems pretty clear cut that someone is not telling the truth the government has a proven track record of changing their version and omissions concerning 9/11.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?act=idx

Please- please forgive me. I'm really confused now. I still can't believe the government has said that the jet fuel is what caused that hot of a fire. I keep hearing that most of the fuel burned off rather quickly. Do you have a source such as a newspaper article, direct statement, official document that has the government saying that it believes the jet fuel was the cause of the hot fire? I just can't find it anywhere. You seem to have some good sources at your disposal, I was hoping you'd post one?

What confuses me the most, though, is your claim that the jetliners that struct the towers were of smaller magnitude.

Maybe someone changed the wikipedia articles on those two planes, but confusingly enough, the planes that struck the twin towers are listed as heavier than the 707 you listed as being heavier.

Boeing 767:315,000 lb
Boeing 707:257,000 lb

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767-223#767-200ER

I'm so confused Jesse...what do you think?

Jesse Hemingway

01-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Please- please forgive me. I'm really confused now. I still can't believe the government has said that the jet fuel is what caused that hot of a fire. I keep hearing that most of the fuel burned off rather quickly. Do you have a source such as a newspaper article, direct statement, official document that has the government saying that it believes the jet fuel was the cause of the hot fire? I just can't find it anywhere. You seem to have some good sources at your disposal, I was hoping you'd post one?

What confuses me the most, though, is your claim that the jetliners that struct the towers were of smaller magnitude.

Maybe someone changed the wikipedia articles on those two planes, but confusingly enough, the planes that struck the twin towers are listed as heavier than the 707 you listed as being heavier.

Boeing 767:315,000 lb
Boeing 707:257,000 lb

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767-223#767-200ER

I'm so confused Jesse...what do you think?

I hope this helps to clear your confusion:
The Hijacking of United 175
United Airlines Flight 175 was scheduled to depart for Los Angeles at 8:00. Captain Victor Saracini and First Officer Michael Horrocks piloted the Boeing 767, which had seven flight attendants. Fifty-six passengers boarded the flight.40
United 175 pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14. By 8:33, it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet. The flight attendants would have begun their cabin service.41
This flight was short 192 people from being fully loaded to the 255 maximum capacity.

The Hijacking of American 11
American Airlines Flight 11 provided nonstop service from Boston to Los Angeles. On September 11, Captain John Ogonowski and First Officer Thomas McGuinness piloted the Boeing 767. It carried its full capacity of nine flight attendants. Eighty-one passengers boarded the flight with them (including the five terrorists).22
The plane took off at 7:59. Just before 8:14, it had climbed to 26,000 feet, not quite its initial assigned cruising altitude of 29,000 feet. All communications and flight profile data were normal. About this time the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign would usually have been turned off and the flight attendants would have begun preparing for cabin service.23
This flight was short 165 people from being fully loaded to the 255 maximum capacity.

On June 23, 2005 the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) published the draft of its 'Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers' (document NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf), and in September it released its Final Report (document NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf). This Report and a separate one on the case of WTC 7 represent the culmination of NIST's three-year investigation of the collapses of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, funded with an initial budget of $16 million and subsequent appropriations from taxpayers' money.
NIST's investigation is often cited as proving the official theory that the plane crashes and fires caused the collapses. Yet the Report does not explain why or how the buildings totally collapsed, despite the lack of a single historical precedent for a steel-framed skyscraper totally collapsing for any reason other than controlled demolition. And, in contrast to the Report's voluminous detail about the plane crashes, fires, and loss of life, it makes no attempt to characterize or explain the demolition-like features of the collapses -- such as their explosiveness, pulverization, verticality and nearly free-fall rapidity -- except for two sentences in a half-page section added to the Final Report to address criticisms of the Draft.
NIST simply avoids these troublesome issues by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that "global collapse" was "inevitable" after the "initiation of collapse."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/boeing_707_767.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#exaggeration

Jesse Hemingway

01-26-2007, 11:45 AM

Some times a picture tells you the entire story:

http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Jesse Hemingway

02-21-2007, 09:15 PM

This link might open some eyes.

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Jesse Hemingway

02-26-2007, 08:38 PM

Jesse Hemingway

02-26-2007, 11:08 PM

VIDEO: BBC WAS HALF AN HOUR TOO EARLY REPORTING ON WTC7 COLLAPSE
On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.

This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.

9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.

What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.

Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.

So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.

Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.

No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.

Please Investigate 9/11 - Time is of the essence.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096

exarmyranger

02-26-2007, 11:18 PM

Did you know that bush said he saw the first plane crash into the WTC on television before he went in the elementary school the morning of 9/11/2001? He said that he thought the person must have been a bad pilot after seeing the first plane hit the WTC. He went into the class and struggled reading “My Pet Goat” at that point he was informed that the second plane hit the WTC. Then the commander and chief pissed his pants and froze I guess that was our clue to understand who he really is.:banghead:

I guess he was the only person that saw the first plane hit the WTC on television on 9/11/01 that video of the first plane hitting WTC was not aired that day on television.:reading: Nothing on my agenda that morning,I do'nt watch daytime t.v. as a rule.That morning a buddy of mine stopped over for some coffee,and an exchange of bullshit."Mind if I turn the tube on Bo."the first "News Alert"came within 10 mins.A newsperson was trying unsuccessfully,to explain what had occured.the towers were in the background the north tower smoking when the cam.man could be heard to say aww fuck... look look.the reporter was turning around as the 2nd plane came onto the tv screen and 1,2,3,4,almost 5 seconds crept by till Impact.The phone started ringing(go figure)I answerd it once then let the machine help me screen who I did/or didnot want to converse with.then tower #1 fell.How could anyone be so stupid as to make a remark that would surely be found a lie...:disbelief: oh yeah:doh:Silly me, we're talking about Boy George,Huh...ex

exarmyranger

02-27-2007, 05:48 PM

[QUOTE=exarmyranger].How could anyone be so stupid as to make a :banghead:remark,oh yeah:doh:Silly me, we're talking about Boy George,Huh?...Hmmm,he said,The,1st",First! As in The First to...The First of...Now that I think (no small task someday's) about it.The "I saw the,1st hit on tv,bad pilot",bushit...(I smile when I picture that "pissing his panties" look) Most people,when making reference to a single past event (mins. or yrs.)would say, A,(signular) "A plane hit",or "The plane hit"...Not the"First plane hit",unless,you were speaking of "2" or more hits which (had yet to occour)...Or had knowledge before the fact...of a yet to arrive 2nd plane hit...:ugho:..."Naw,no way,he can't be THAT stupid"A Wee slip o'the tounge was it then,Ora,bit'o gramatical error?Frieudian Slip?:cool: ex

Jesse Hemingway

02-27-2007, 11:23 PM

Nice logic ranger:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
That's why he would not go under oath at the 9/11 hearings. As an American I find that very peculiar what is he hiding?

exarmyranger

02-28-2007, 07:49 PM

Jesse,I do'nt know what Jr.is hiding!But it sure as hell is'nt his... lack of adult mentality(poor little rich kid syndrome)or as a T.I.sgt.I had at Ft.Cambell was want to say...are you "stuck on stupid" Or what? His almost total disreguard,of "WE the People" and what remains of our constitutional rights,should be obvious to anyone who has veiwed him addressing the nation,and managed to stay awake! t/c ex:sleep:

Javelin

03-03-2007, 01:24 AM

It's my opinion that JR's not even truly running the country.

exarmyranger

03-03-2007, 04:11 PM

It's my opinion that JR's not even truly running the country.:hi: Javelin,Welcome to "dcjunkies"...or to use my alternative phraze,"Welcome to dcjunkies" (AKA) "Tommy's Message Board for People Who Really Should Get Out More"...I just wanted to pick on something/one... this afternoon.The 1st & 2nd new posts,contained nothing I could disagree with,or :pokefun: nit-pick-on...Then on my 3rd try..."It's my opinion that JR's not even/truely(ok so far,then...)running the country.":woohoo:UREEKA! My 1st.Question is *"Jr's not even running the country,Where"? #2 "*........*,are you aware you misspelled "ruinning"?#3,and the final question,"Do'nt you hate it when people deliberatly look for any,no matter how miniscule gramatical error,if there is nothing to disagree with in another's posted view(s)/opinion(s) :oldman: ex.

Jesse Hemingway

03-04-2007, 01:23 PM

There are historical facts that prove there’re elements that are within the United States government that work out side of the laws. Accept the fact that members of the United States government were involved in 9/11 and let’s close and tighten the noose around their necks.

Ok May 1, 1960 a U-2 flight shot down over Russia in direct violation of standing order from President Eisenhower. If Eisenhower had any back bone he should have brought up Allan Dulles under treason charges on 5/1/60 and ended the neocon insanity at that point in time. No way free pass Eisenhower the spineless coward the same type of coward as George W. bush states in his fare well speech to the American people you need to deal with these crazy bastards the military industrial complex (Neocons) because I am just a counterfeit poser anyway.

The only two people that could have ordered that flight were Allen Dulles or Richard Bissell; Allen Dulles relieved Richard Bissell at the CIA on April 30, 1960. In Peshawar, Pakistan it was May 1, 1960 (ref 1) that is where the U-2 fights originated from during that episode in covert history Allen Dulles was at the CIA office that night the flight was ordered to take off. Lee Harvey Oswald was living in Russia at that time and had access to the altitude of the U-2 spy planes flew at, from his military training and job in the Marines. Was Lee Harvey Oswald working for the CIA then? The flight was shot down or sabotaged the CIA expected that the pilot Gary Francis Powers to be dead. The CIA built in a safe guard into the pilots’ seat a 12 gauge shotgun round that was meant to go off if the pilot ejects and kills the pilot. Six weeks prior to this March 17, 1960 the Bay of Pigs plan (ref 2) was consecrated and underway enter George H, Bush. (Ref 3) President Eisenhower accepts total responsibility for the U-2 flight Dulles walks away home free by undermining Eisenhower. (Ref 4)

Bay of Pigs operation same people planning the operation as the U-2 flights same results this time it President Kennedy is falling on the sword. November 22, 1963 JFK executed many of the same people involved with the U-2 flight and the Bay of Pigs, are now on the warren commission. Nixon left the office of the presidency by the direction of George H. Bush. Enter Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld into the white house to handle damage control again another member of the warren commission shows up Gerald Ford. Mujadean enter picture under Carter. Reagan and Bush design the blueprints for the Iran-Contra operation then enhance Saddam Hussein and double cross Mujadean; Bush green lights Saddam to go into Kuwait then bush destroys Saddam’s military. In the 2000 election Dick Cheney gets two sock puppets for the price of one Joe Lieberman and George W. Bush and the rest is history.

Reference:
1.) http://www.answers.com/topic/u-2-crisis-of-1960
2.) http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/baypigs/pigs3.htm
3.) http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm
4.) http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
5.) http://www.stewwebb.com/Bush%20Family%20Flow%20Chart.jpg

exarmyranger

03-04-2007, 03:47 PM

The (Element's)you stated as being,"within the government,working outside the law"(I take it you refer to the C.I.A.,F.B.I.,ect.,ect...),that fact,may-not, be on any recruitment poster's..."JOIN the C.I.A.& Break Domestic,Foreign,and International Law's".:cool: ,or "The F.B.I. needs Men&Women!Prior Criminal Experience a Plus"... :lmao2: But when an operation of a covert/clandestine nature (which may have been in cultivation for years till it begins to bear fruit)requires the circumvention of certain...err legislative rules of conduct,well you just gotta do what you gotta do.I meant what "They" gotta do. :rolleyes: I can attest to that,it's hardly a T.S.,anymore .If it ever was... As far as 9/11 Government Conspiracy vrs. Bin-Laden/Arab/Muslim Extremist/Sadham(May his Bone's be food for the Jackel's) Hussain,terrorist Theory...The jury is still out,deliberating.Reasonable Doubt still excist's in my mind...ex

Javelin

03-04-2007, 08:15 PM

It's very difficult for the people believe that their government could actually be responsible for the events of September 11th. How could it be possible for parts of our government to pull off such an elaborate plan involving hundreds or maybe thousands of people and keep the details completely silenced from the news media. I mean, surely somebody would have gotten a guilty conscience and started blabbing to the press. Right? I'm going to answer my own question. This whole scenario isn't as ridiculous and crazy as people might think. We, as a people, have been studied under a microscope for many, many years now. Serious studies were done in Germany in WW2 with humans, as the white rats, to see how people can be manipulated in many ways under many types of conditions. People act very differently when put in traumatic situations. We are more apt to believe what our authoritative figures tell us and these things told to us during serious traumatic situations will stick with us like glue. You see, after WW2 was over, the American government brought many of the Nazi scientists and their findings over here (Canada) to see just what they had learned. (Project Paperclip) Study after study has been done to try to manipulate and predict human behavior. Furthermore, this next statement is unfortunately oh so true. WE BELIEVE WHAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS! If Shepard Smith says it went down that way, then the people will believe it went down that way. All of our perceptions about how things are in the world are completely controlled by our media outlets. The only other way we can understand what is really happening in the world is if we went there ourselves. And thats not likely to happen. So, what happens if somebody gains control of what the news media reports. But there are so many forms of media in the United states, national television news, local television news, newspapers, radio,etc.. How could this be possible to control so many news organizations across the country. Well, the answer is, the 4 major media sources, ABC,CBS,NBC, and FOX pretty much own and control ALL radio, tv, and newspaper sources in the country. So, there were really only 4 companies to gain control of to pull off the show. We think that our press is free, but understand that reporters can't report the news stories that they want to report. They have bosses and the bosses have to answer to bosses and so forth. Taking control of this country didn't involve an invasion from a forign army. It didn't involve bombing all of our major cities. It merely involved taking control of four major media groups. You see, this isn't a matter of having enough evidence to prove who did what. It's obvious enough for an average 3rd grader to see who did what on September 11th. The evidence is staggering, but the media is silent. You see my friends, we have already lost the United States of America. The war is over and done with. The problem is, you will never know its gone unless you hear it on CNN.

Jesse Hemingway

03-04-2007, 09:21 PM

What I am saying is that when Allen Dulles ordered the U-2 flight on 5/1/60 at that moment President Eisenhower could have ended it all by prosecuting Allen Dulles for treason. JFK would have not gotten executed Vietnam would have turned out drastically different. Nixon would have never been elected the bushes would have never made into the white house. That was the most vulnerable moment to the Neocon movement it could have all came undone.

Yes I think the Mexican military could have foiled 9/11 yet the United States military could not.

Javelin

03-04-2007, 10:57 PM

There are approximately 190 countries in the world. The US has bases in approximately 130 of them. He who controls the media, controls the United States of America. And he who controls the United States of America, can control the World. When I used to read about the bible prophecy and the days when the antichrist would rise up and take control of the world, I was always afraid of what would happen to the people of our country. I knew there was no way that some antichrist could ever take over the world as long as there was at least one American still standing. I just assumed we would be physically destroyed as a country. It looks to me like our countrymen and women will be the vehicle for the takeover of the planet. But unfortunately it will not be ran by an American government, but the shadow government instead.

juggernaut

03-05-2007, 04:47 AM

This should be turned into [Tommys 9/11? Fact or Fiction board] There's a whole post on this already that is like 40000000 pages.

Jesse Hemingway

03-05-2007, 10:57 AM

This should be turned into [Tommys 9/11? Fact or Fiction board] There's a whole post on this already that is like 40000000 pages.

I like it; now juggernaut is this story fact or fiction?

Why No One Could Have Predicted The Collapse Of WTC 7
Building was specifically designed to have floors removed without collapsing
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, March 1, 2007

This week has seen a cornucopia of news come pouring forth with regards to what happened to World Trade Center building 7 on September 11th 2001. The catalyst for this has been the discovery that the BBC reported the building had collapsed a full thirty minutes before it actually fell on 9/11.

The BBC, instead of attempting to explain how it could have reported this, has attempted to both evade and cloud the issue. The truth is that no one could have possibly predicted the building would collapse and here's why.

Aside from the fact that previous to 9/11 no steel framed building in history had ever collapsed due to fire damage, Building 7, otherwise known as the Salomon Brothers building, was intentionally designed to allow large portions of floors to be permanently removed without weakening the structural integrity of the building.

In 1989 the New York Times reported on this fact in a story covering the Salomon leasing of the building which had been completed just two years earlier.

Salomon had wanted to build a new structure in order to house its high-technology operations, but due to stock market crash in 1987 it was unable to. The company searched for an existing building that they could use and found one in Larry Silverstein's WTC 7.

The Times reported:

BEFORE it moves into a new office tower in downtown Manhattan, Salomon Brothers, the brokerage firm, intends to spend nearly two years and more than $200 million cutting out floors, adding elevators, reinforcing steel girders, upgrading power supplies and making other improvements in its million square feet of space...

In some office buildings, that alteration would be impossible, but Silverstein Properties tried to second-guess the needs of potential tenants when it designed Seven World Trade Center as a speculative project.

''We built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building's structural integrity, on the assumption that someone might need double-height floors,'' said Larry Silverstein, president of the company. ''Sure enough, Salomon had that need...

MORE than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding - will be installed to reinforce floors for Salomon's extra equipment. Sections of the existing stone facade and steel bracing will be temporarily removed so that workers using a roof crane can hoist nine diesel generators onto the tower's fifth floor, where they will become the core of a back-up power station.

The entire article can be read here.

What this amounted to, as the Times pointed out, was that WTC7, specifically designed to be deconstructed and altered, became "a building within a building". An extraordinary adaptable and highly reinforced structure for the modern business age.

This is of course also partially the reason why in 1999 the building was chosen to house Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's $13 million emergency crisis centre on the 27th floor.

Remember that on 9/11 only eight floors of the building were subject to sporadic fires. The official NIST report failed to comprehensively identify how the building could have collapsed symmetrically into its own footprint given the damage that it had sustained.

A follow up report due soon has been forced to take into account a hypothetical situation whereby explosives were used to demolish the building, primarily because every other explanation thus far has failed to explain how it could have come down.

Furthermore, as has been thoroughly documented, building 7 was the furthest away in the WTC complex from the twin towers. Buildings much closer sustained massive amounts of damage from the collapse of the towers and did not come anywhere close to full scale symmetrical collapse.

Given all this information it is quite clear to surmise that if you were going to "predict" the collapse of any building in the WTC complex following the destruction of the towers, building 7 would have most certainly been BOTTOM of the list.

Building 7 now becomes the key to unlocking the 9/11 fraud. What was witnessed on 9/11 was a perfectly symmetrical collapse, with no resistance, of a steel-framed "Building within a building". A perfectly symmetrical collapse of a building that was designed from the ground-up to have entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building's structural integrity.

We have an owner who let slip that the building was "pulled" and we have firefighters on video telling people to get back as the building was going to "blow up". We have the BBC reporting the collapse before it happened and a follow up desperate attempt to avoid the issue by claiming that it cannot verify anything because it has lost the entirety of its broadcast recordings from 9/11.

Furthermore, the BBC continues to play dumb by responding to questions other the fiasco by intimating that it is being suggested that they were "in on the conspiracy". Here is the latest response we have received from the BBC regarding the matter after continuing to press them for an explanation:

Hello and thank you for your email in reaction to claims made in an
article published online.

The notion that the BBC has been part of any conspiracy is patently
ludicrous. We reported the situation as accurately as we could, based on
the best information available. We cannot be categorical about the exact
timing of events that day - this is the first time it has been brought
to our attention and it was more than five years ago. If in the chaos
and confusion of that day our correspondent reported that the building
had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been a genuine error.
With regards

BBC World Customer Relations

What is ludicrous is that the BBC expects us to believe it has lost its tapes of the most important event of the 21st century. No one is suggesting BBC is complicit in any conspiracy, and its attempt to frame this issue in that way is a blatant attempt to make the questions that it has not answered go away.

Why did the BBC report the collapse of one the most structurally reinforced buildings in New York before it collapsed and what was their source?

In further developments more BBC video from the day of 9/11 has been unearthed in which a correspondent, within hours of the towers coming down, claims the reason for the collapses is because of their design. He then then provides blatantly false information about the designs to justify the statement, without referring to any sources and negating the fact that the towers had 47 massive central core columns.

Was this another "cock up" on the part of the BBC or were they once again going off scripted information that was being spoon fed to the media? Certainly it is startling that the subsequent official FEMA report, after months of investigation, gave more or less the same explanation as to why the towers fell as is witnessed in this BBC news footage from just hours after the towers fell.

As for the BBC's shockingly arrogant and dismissive "it was more than five years ago comment", as long as the truth continues to be withheld we will continue to target those who are aiding its suppression.

http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/010307BBC_WTC7.htm

juggernaut

03-05-2007, 11:04 AM

Jesse Hemingway

03-05-2007, 09:49 PM

Can you shorten that book down without trying to convinence me of something that did not happen. Others here know this already. I was there and these mystic events did not happen. Go read the other thread to learn my response. I'm surpised the over weight fung fu poster has not come to your defence over this.

And I am sure you belive this:

On Sept. 25, 2002, just days after the CIA received the source's information, President Bush told reporters: "Al-Qaeda hides. Saddam doesn't, but the danger is, is that they work in concert. The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world. . . . [Y]ou can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

You can't have it both ways juggernaut because all roads lead to and from 9/11 just to many lies and half truths by bush co. Bush co can send 100,000's people to their deaths but he does not have the personal integrity to ANSWER ALL the questions; that have not been answered surrounding 9/11. Very simple request even if you have faith in these people why can’t they just answer the questions. Is that request unreasonable?

exarmyranger

03-06-2007, 08:07 PM

And I am sure you belive this:

On Sept. 25, 2002, just days after the CIA received the source's information, President Bush told reporters: "Al-Qaeda hides. Saddam doesn't, but the danger is, is that they work in concert. The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world. . . . [Y]ou can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

You can't have it both ways juggernaut because all roads lead to and from 9/11 just to many lies and half truths by bush co. Bush co can send 100,000's people to their deaths but he does not have the personal integrity to ANSWER ALL the questions; that have not been answered surrounding 9/11. Very simple request even if you have faith in these people why can’t they just answer the questions. Is that request unreasonable?:oldman: Hell,all we wanna do is :help: them on thier way to paridise!
Same as we did for Sadham! :lmao2: Personal integrity?Now who's dreaming?I hope you realize,your in for a long wait.If your expecting any answer from the White House,that may be remotely true,as far as WTC/911."The Paitence of Job" would be nothing compared to "The Paitence of All Who Wait For The Truth"...T/C EX.:cool:

juggernaut

03-06-2007, 09:47 PM

:oldman: Hell,all we wanna do is :help: them on thier way to paridise!
Same as we did for Sadham! :lmao2: Personal integrity?Now who's dreaming?I hope you realize,your in for a long wait.If your expecting any answer from the White House,that may be remotely true,as far as WTC/911."The Paitence of Job" would be nothing compared to "The Paitence of All Who Wait For The Truth"...T/C EX.:cool:
Agreed ER. That's the problem with ideas like this. They will never be proven. Never ever, ever. There might be some terrible wordly event (comet from outer space destroys 90% of life on the planet) and even then no one would know. You could have full unrestricted access to everything. You might find some answers you liked and ones you did not. But fact is, that's a dream, not reality. So I see no reason to waste so much time over it. It's like the UFO thing.

exarmyranger

03-08-2007, 03:44 PM

A hypothetical senario,the worlds top astroledgers find a huge asteriod in space,and agree it is on a collision course with the earth,it is far to large to burn/break-up into small relatively harmless peices,upon entering the atmosphere...and the collision of the remaining portion,with earth,will result in the complete destruction,of all life.Plant,Animal,Marine,ect.Estimated time till impact 6 months.Chance of error in predicted outcome of event.none.Chance of miscalculation,as to collision,and projected time of event... .01 out of 1,000,000,000.World leaders are informed...If one governing body allerts its people to the fact the world will end in 6 months...The entire population (of Earth)would know within a day.Do they allert the puplic?Or not?Trust in your fellow man...to do what?Give comfort and support,to one another,or tear each other apart,out of misplaced anger&fear? :rant: t/c ex.

Lovelynice

03-09-2007, 07:19 AM

...as long as the truth continues to be withheld we will continue to target those who are aiding its suppression.

I couldn't agree with you more.

The idiots saying otherwise are only obstructing justice and a proper investigation. The USA government's lies are falling apart day by day, hour by hour now. There's nothing that they can do to stop it now, it's too late and the vast majority of people have woken up as shown by the majority of the polls and surveys.

Lovelynice

03-09-2007, 07:20 AM

A hypothetical senario,the worlds top astroledgers find a huge asteriod in space,...

Not even slightly relevant to 9/11

and it's "ASTRONOMERS", not astroledgers

exarmyranger

03-09-2007, 03:07 PM

Not even slightly relevant to 9/11

and it's "ASTRONOMERS", not astroledgers
:doh: "My Bad...Kepler probably turned over in his grave" No relevance... The question was/is,how (if the W.H. did have prior knowledge,or sanctioned the destruction/death of 3,000 people as well as W.T.C.'s twin towers,bld#7,ect.)do you think the american people would respond to the government's admission of complicity to the WTC/911 disaster.The entire world will be watching,and waiting,to see what action,or reaction,WE THE PEOPLE will have...:mad: :dunno: :melodramatic: ex.

Lovelynice

03-09-2007, 10:19 PM

:doh: "My Bad...Kepler probably turned over in his grave" No relevance... The question was/is,how (if the W.H. did have prior knowledge,or sanctioned the destruction/death of 3,000 people as well as W.T.C.'s twin towers,bld#7,ect.)do you think the american people would respond to the government's admission of complicity to the WTC/911 disaster.The entire world will be watching,and waiting,to see what action,or reaction,WE THE PEOPLE will have...:mad: :dunno: :melodramatic: ex.

Okay, sorry, that's much clearer way of putting it.now I understand your point.

Personally, I'd expect in such a case that there would be very large protest marches and calls for convictions and imprisonment of the perpetrators at the very least. (much larger then the present protests). I doubt there would be any violent uprising, because Americans have become apathetic in the majority. The only ones who seem to have the guts to take on the government of the USA and get seriously violent about it are the hispanics and black Americans. They're already angry about many things anyway, so they'll use it as another reason for rioting, but most white Americans are too comfortable to go to the bother of more than yelling at their TV sets.

Jesse Hemingway

03-10-2007, 02:59 AM

American Airlines Flight 11
(AA 11)
Boston to Los Angeles 7:59 Takeoff

8:46:40 AA 11 crashes into 1 WTC (North Tower)

47 Minutes in the air 27 minutes under highjackers control 20 minutes under airline control

At 8:19, Ong reported: "The cockpit is not answering, somebody's stabbed in business class-and I think there's Mace-that we can't breathe-I don't know, I think we're getting hijacked." She then told of the stabbings of the two flight attendants.30

United Airlines Flight 175
(UA 175)
Boston to Los Angeles 8:14 Takeoff

9:03:11 Flight 175 crashes into 2 WTC (South Tower)

49 Minutes in the air 21 minutes under highjackers control 28 minutes under airline control

The flight had taken off just as American 11 was being hijacked, and at 8:42 the United 175 flight crew completed their report on a "suspicious transmission" overheard from another plane (which turned out to have been Flight 11) just after takeoff. This was United 175's last communication with the ground.42

American Airlines Flight 77
(AA 77)
Washington,D.C., to Los Angeles 8:20 Takeoff

9:37:46 AA 77 crashes into the Pentagon

77 Minutes in the air total time 46 minutes under highjackers control 31 minutes under airline control

The hijacking began between 8:51 and 8:54

United Airlines Flight 93
(UA 93)
Newark to San Francisco 8:42 Takeoff

10:03:11 Flight 93 crashes in field in Shanksville, PA

81 Minutes in the air 35 minutes under highjackers control 46 minutes under airline control

The hijackers attacked at 9:28.

Now let's plug in this matrix:

Flight set #1
Flights # 11 & 175 are Boeing 767

Flight set # 2
Flights # 77 & 93 are Boeing 757

Flight set # 3
Flights # 11 & 77

Flight set # 4
Flights #175 & 93

Flight set #3 had more people on #11 and # 77 Flight set # 4 were lighter in relation to passenger load #175 and #93

Flight set #3 both planes left before flight set #4

Flight set #3 both planes were under Highjackers control longer flight # 11 was 6 minutes longer then flight # 175 Flight #77 was 11 minutes longer then flight # 93

Flight set # 4 was under airline control longer then flight set # 3 flight # 175 by 6 minutes longer then flight #11 and # 93 was 15 minutes longer then # 77

This could give you a time the planes are in the air let’s say flights #11 flew for six minutes landed then flight # 175 did the same had 6-8 minutes to transferee passengers onto # 175. This would mean that flight # 11 was the decoy for the first plane hitting the WTC followed by # 175

This could give you a time the planes are in the air let’s say flights #77 flew for 15 minutes landed then flight # 93 did the same had 11 minutes to transferee passengers onto # 93. This would mean that flight # 77 was the decoy for the plane or missile hitting the pentagon followed by # 93 crashing in Shanksville, Pa

The rendezvous points would be for flight set #1 would be 11-175 =6.5 minutes out. Flight set #2 would be 77-93 = 16 minutes out.

The swapping of the planes and the timeline would be the most difficult sequence to decipher.

The operational aspect to this maneuver is straightforward to figure out. It would only take one electronic warfare aircraft to control ALL alleged movement of flights #11, #175, #77, and #93 and any other mysterious aircraft involved. Picture this all the radio frequency would need to be compromised (very simple procedure) each of the flights are thinking they are communicating with the tower. In fact they are communicating with the electronic warfare plane (EWP) just one person is doing this job. The EWP then communicates to the tower as if it is the flights in question. Once the flights are airborne the EWP feeds the air controls raw radar video or the computer code onto the air controls screen. The EWP has the capacity to generate any type of bogus video to all the air controllers’ computers with out their knowledge. EWP also has the capabilities to control remote control aircraft in flight. EWP aircraft required to pull this off are in fact located at the link below; by the way that Air Force base is about 6 minutes from Boston.

http://www.hanscom.af.mil/

This would also take in account that all the alleged highjackers were removed from the aircraft at the transferee points then driven to Florida in which they left the United States on 9/12/01 under the direction of George H. Bush.

Just a thought

Jesse Hemingway

03-12-2007, 02:18 AM

The following link looks in to the pattern of flights #11, 175, 77 and, 93 depicting non-random events. Which is in fact what should have happened according to the United States Governments version of what happen each high jacking was an independent action within each flight including the infinite variables in each aircraft. This link also incorporates other analysis of 9/11.

http://users.swing.be/muhammadcolumbo/Columbo911_E.pdf

exarmyranger

03-12-2007, 09:53 PM

It's very difficult for the people believe that their government could actually be responsible for the events of September 11th. How could it be possible for parts of our government to pull off such an elaborate plan? #1 Javelin,when any similar event occoured,here(in the USA)like the fire at the Fed.Military,Records Archive Bld.in St.Luois..,Fed.Bld.bombing(s) Atlanta,Oklahoma City,N.Y.City's 1st.WTC bombing,ect. If the W.H. needed/or felt,for whatever reason they had to enlist:help:from outside agencies(Of which there are many,you know...) to pull off a trick like (911)without any signifigant blowback,would be to put it bluntly... "No Problem"...#2 A person must have a "conscience" to begin with,in order to have...a "guilty conscience"(in fact steps are taken to cull,those who suffer from compassion,or other humanitarian fault's from the ranks)Do some, "Oh that was a bad thing we did,I better tell somebody",types slip thru the safety nets? :dunno: ...You Tell Me....We, as a people, have been studied under a microscope for many, many years now. Serious studies were done in Germany...#3...(Russia,Japan,the U.K.,the USA also were,and "I know"for a fact one(The US) still is!... with humans, as the white rats, to see how people can be manipulated in many ways under many types of conditions. People act very differently when put in serious traumatic situations...(Thats a given)...You see, after WW2 was over, the American government brought many of the Nazi scientists and their findings over here (Canada) to see just what they had learned. (Project Paperclip) Study after study has been done to try to manipulate and predict human behavior. Furthermore, this next statement is unfortunately oh so true. WE BELIEVE WHAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS! ...(Sad but True nonetheless)... If Shepard Smith says it went down that way, then the people will believe it went down that way. All of our perceptions about how things are in the world are completely controlled by our media outlets. The only other way we can understand what is really happening in the world is if we went there ourselves. And thats not likely to happen. So, what happens if somebody gains control of what the news media reports. But there are so many forms of media in the United states, national television news, local television news, newspapers, radio,etc.. How could this be possible to control so many news organizations across the country...#4,(I know another reason.But if I told you I'd have to kill you)... Well, the answer is, the 4 major media sources, ABC,CBS,NBC, and FOX pretty much own and control ALL radio, tv, and newspaper sources in the country. So, there were really only 4 companies to gain control of to pull off the show. We think that our press is free, but understand that reporters can't report the news stories that they want to report. They have bosses and the bosses have to answer to bosses and so forth. Taking control of this country didn't involve an invasion from a forign army. It didn't involve bombing all of our major cities. It merely involved taking control of four major media groups. You see, this isn't a matter of having enough evidence to prove who did what. It's obvious enough for an average 3rd grader to see who did what on September 11th. The evidence is staggering, but the media is silent. You see my friends, we have already lost the United States of America. The war is over and done with. The problem is, you will never know its gone unless you hear it on CNN... The common people were,and imo still are responcible for protecting any liberty's,they have'nt lost already!The rape's sufferd by our Constitution,and the Bill of Rights started when,"We The People" began listening to Politions and thier Idea's as to "What Our Country Needs",after they were/are embelished,by the media...The constitution was,has never required revision from its original form.So,to add any word/or statement,in place of the original word,or statement within the constitution's text.We made the wrong choice,and listened to the bullshit;rather than taking the time to :read: and think for ourselves...Big mistake that,Huh!:doh: ex.

Jesse Hemingway

03-13-2007, 10:27 AM

William Meyer Email: 911action@northpassage.net
My name is William Meyer, I have an office here in Ithaca, NY where I work to spread the facts about the impossibility of the "official" version of 9/11. I am open to all those who want to create public discussions and presentations on 9/11. If you want to connect or have me schedule a presentation; I and those who work with me will do it ! email me at mailto:911action@northpassage.net
I was visited in my office in ithaca recently by Joseph Murtagh. His mission is to get 15,000 signatures for 4 widows of 9/11, "The Jersey Girls". Their story is partially chronicled in the superb video, " 9/11 Press For Truth" http://www.911pressfortruth.com
This story also highlights Paul Thompsons incredible "Terrror Timeline" published by Harper Collins.
http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-11/dp/0060783389/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-4868923-4344943?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173392280&sr=8-1
Joe Murtagh is on a mission to fulfill his promise to "The Jersey Girls". He already has 5,000 signatures. Here is his great article. The link to his petition is in the first paragraph. http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id358.html
Let's move this email along to your appropriate friends and lists...

exarmyranger

03-13-2007, 11:44 PM

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2007, 08:38 PM

Russia Watched 9/11 In Real Time On Satellite

http://home.att.net/%7Esouth.tower/911RussianSatellite1.htm

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2007, 08:50 PM

The apple does not fall far from the WTC.

Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed
Documents in National Archives Prove
George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded
with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
By John Buchanan
Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette
10-10-3

WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway in New York under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran simultaneously in the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington Post on July 31, 1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

Business is Business

The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.

The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.

After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.

Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it. Brown Brothers Harriman sent letters to the government seeking reconsideration of the seizures by using false information.

UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.

The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to prison.

The Family Business

In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.

However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.

Seized

On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas between 1931-33, as Hitler engineered his rise to power.

Still No Story?

Since 1942, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.

The essence of the story has been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.

In the 1990s, former U.S. Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, now honorary president of the Florida Holocaust Museum, wrote a book and launched a web site (<>www.john-loftus.com) which did breakthrough reporting, including establishing the link between Prescott Bush, Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and forced labor at Auschwitz. Although the widely-respected Loftus established a successful international speaking career with his information, no U.S. newspaper or major TV news program acknowledged his decade of work, nor did he ever see many of the recently released documents.

Meanwhile, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.

Loyal Defenders

The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins

mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.

The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."

Poles Tackle the Topic

Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (<>www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

Still Not Interested

Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, as well as Knight-Ridder Newspapers, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.

Aftermath

In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.

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John Buchanan is an award-winning and internationally published journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books.

This article was forwarded
courtesy of Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz
and Tetrahedron Publishing Group
206 North 4th Avenue, Suite 147
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864

http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm

Jesse Hemingway

03-22-2007, 01:06 AM

Play the video below what is the bulg on the bottom off the aircraft prior to it hitting the WTC?

http://www.rense.com/general41/inex.htm

Jesse Hemingway

03-24-2007, 12:29 PM

It is becoming clearer by the day that the United States Government half ass white washing of the 9/11 investigation is an insult to anyone that would like to know the basic facts. Just like the aircrafts crashing through the WTC buildings on 9/11 the link below accomplishes similar destruction to the United States Government version of what occurred on 9/11. Enjoy

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

Jesse Hemingway

03-28-2007, 08:35 PM

The entire 9/11 Commission Report hinges of the testimony Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) without his testimony their is absolutely ZERO foundation for the United States Government version of what occurred on that catastrophic day.

If in deed his testimony is correct then the United States Government started two illegal wars of aggression. This is the reasoning for this conclusion from the 9/11 Commission Report.

“KSM, for instance, denies that Saudis were chosen for the 9/11 plot to drive a wedge between the United States and Saudi Arabia, and stresses practical reasons for considering ethnic background when selecting operatives. He says that so many were Saudi because Saudis comprised the largest portion of the pool of recruits in the al Qaeda training camps. KSM estimates that in any given camp, 70 percent of the mujahideen were Saudi, 20 percent were Yemeni, and 10 percent were from elsewhere. Although Saudi and Yemeni trainees were most often willing to volunteer for suicide operations, prior to 9/11 it was easier for Saudi operatives to get into the United States.91”

If in fact this is a truthful testimony then the Bush Administration would have needed to attack Saudi Arabia and Yemen to stop the war on terror.

We as a country have been manipulated by elements in the United States Government. Now the entire 9/11 fallacy is developed and sold to the world by a known liar KSM.

Reference:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

exarmyranger

03-28-2007, 09:01 PM

Here's what our appointed,and elected(most of them in any case)governing body are really concerned about,in reguard's to world opinion."We don't care,or need to be respected...as long as we are feared!We are still feared are'nt we? ex

Jesse Hemingway

03-29-2007, 04:43 PM

I hate stories like this one:

http://www.communitycurrency.org/robin.html :hi: :hi: :hi:

Jesse Hemingway

03-30-2007, 08:41 PM

NIST’s final report stated that of the steel available to it for examination, “only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius” (482 degrees Fahrenheit). The self-cleaning ovens in our home kitchens reach temperatures higher than this, and the ovens do not melt or deform.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17422.htm

exarmyranger

03-30-2007, 09:39 PM

[QUOTE=Jesse Hemingway]NIST’s final report stated that of the steel available to it for examination, “only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius” (482 degrees Fahrenheit). The self-cleaning ovens in our home kitchens reach temperatures higher than this, and the ovens do not melt or deform. Not to cast any stone's in the direction of the N.I.S.T.,or thier reported finding's,but I do have doubt's, :disbelief: as to the validity of the reported finding's.It may not be all that funny,but I gotta :lmao2: ...ex

Jesse Hemingway

04-04-2007, 12:30 AM

The following is from the 9/11 Commission Report:

We have come together with a unity of purpose because our nation demands it. September 11, 2001, was a day of unprecedented shock and suffering in the history of the United States. The nation was unprepared. How did this happen, and how can we avoid such tragedy again?

To answer these questions, the Congress and the President created the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Public Law 107-306, November 27, 2002).

If a crime did occur why would you limit the scope of the law created to investigate the crime? This law was initiated with a false assertion "Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" remember that president did not want an investigation into 9/11. Who made the decisions to focus the investigation only on terrorist attacks?

Our mandate was sweeping. The law directed us to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, diplomacy, immigration issues and border control, the flow of assets to terrorist organizations, commercial aviation, the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation, and other areas determined relevant by the Commission.

Do you agree that this was a sweeping Mandate?

We call on the American people to remember how we all felt on 9/11, to remember not only the unspeakable horror but how we came together as a nation-one nation. Unity of purpose and unity of effort are the way we will defeat this enemy and make America safer for our children and grandchildren.

We look forward to a national debate on the merits of what we have recommended, and we will participate vigorously in that debate.

Both Houses have agreed to implement the findings of the 9/11 commission then we need to have a Real National Debate.

Jesse Hemingway

04-08-2007, 10:41 AM

Just and FYI on your government enjoy.

The difference between YOUR government and OURS; the answer is Y and Y won’t they have a National Debate on 9/11? That is one of the many recommendations by the 9/11 Commission

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/

Jesse Hemingway

04-12-2007, 01:49 PM

israel nearly shoots down US airliner
Israel scrambled fighter jets to escort an American commercial passenger plane to landing on Wednesday, Israeli officials said.

An Airports Authority spokeswoman said Continental Airlines' Flight 90 was intercepted after it failed to identify itself upon entering Israeli airspace.

The plane, a Boeing 777, was on a scheduled flight from Newark, New Jersey in the United States. All passengers and crew disembarked safely, Israeli officials said.

The Transportation Ministry said it was investigating whether there was a technical reason for the initial lack of communication between the plane and Israeli ground control.

The most obvious question is - if israel can scramble fighter jets within minutes for a commercial airliner that was scheduled to arrive when and where it did - WHY COULDN'T WE DO IT ON 9/11 for FOUR airliners that were KNOWN to be hijacked and flying in the wrong direction???

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1201

Jesse Hemingway

04-13-2007, 07:32 PM

Take another hit of fresh air.

http://losalamos911truth.blogspot.com/

Jesse Hemingway

04-14-2007, 11:26 PM

Oh CHT!!!

http://weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com/2007/04/another-brick-falling-from-crumbling_13.html

How we got where were at the 101 class.

Plug in "The Power of nightmares" if links below don't work

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177&q=the+powers+of+nightmares&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t77MRdL0jtM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4729189253956590972&q=the+powers+of+nightmares&hl=en

Jesse Hemingway

04-20-2007, 10:23 AM

Insurgents unveil alternative cabinet and first minister for Iraq
MAAMOUN YOUSSEF

AN INSURGENT coalition yesterday announced an "Islamic Cabinet" for Iraqi as it attempted to provide an alternative to the country's US-backed administration.

The Islamic State of Iraq group named the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq as its "minister of war".
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The coalition of eight insurgent groups was first announced in October, claiming to hold territory in the Sunni-dominated areas of western and central Iraq.

In a online video released yesterday, a spokesman - whose face was obscured - denounced Iraq's rulers for the past decades including Saddam Hussein's Baath Party and the present government.

He said they had "spread corruption and ruined the country and its people, until God helped the mujahideen (holy warriors) bring torture upon them.

He added: "Now the Islamic State emerges as a state for Islam and the mujahideen."

He then listed a 10-member "Cabinet," including Abu Hamza al-Muhajer as "war minister."

The US military and Iraqi government have identified him by another pseudonym, Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

The Islamic state is led by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who holds the title of "emir (prince) of the faithful."

Other positions included ministers of information, "prisoners and martyrs," agriculture and health.

Rita Katz, director of the US-based SITE Institute which monitors militant postings, said the Cabinet announcement meant to enforce the message that the group was "serious about going forward and establishing the state they've announced as their plan.

Jesse Hemingway

04-24-2007, 07:44 PM

Come to jesus time:

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html

Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting through steel) found in the WTC debris. (And no, thermate was NOT used during the clean up operation...this stuff was in the building, and ignited, prior to collapse.) If you're new to this information, you might want to check out "Molten Metal" and "Fire Initiated Collapse - Primary Arguments Against"

If you are short on time, start with the link marked pt.7 below.

**Note: The video quality isn't the best, we are still looking for a better version. Also, just to provide a heads up; most of the links below do not match the "title" that shows at YouTube. For instance, pt.7 will show up (on YouTube) as "Part 5".

Steven Jones Lecture:

pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDiL_q1m67k

pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45p19_-CS5I

pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0XSPPuxglI

pt.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGudMVKswVM

pt.5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggc0jT19Pj4

pt.6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9jjZ8Fep4

pt.7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsp3DPTmiN0

pt.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNGOqSVLgJw

pt.9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfh5S_FhR4s

pt.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkoTE3S5xKI

Jesse Hemingway

04-30-2007, 12:52 AM

I just watched the 60 minute interview with george tenant; he said there were only four people in the room when he said “Slam Dunk” about building a case for Iraq. The people in the room were gwb, cheney, condie and andy card after the meeting someone leaked to a reporter what george tenant said among the five. Who was the person that repeated the lie first? It was cheney that repeated the lie it may not have been cheney that leaked it yet there is a 25% chance that he did. Is this picture getting any clearer?

Jesse Hemingway

05-05-2007, 03:28 PM

The warren commission was a total disinformation campaign surrounding the execution of JFK that was over 43 years ago. The 9/11 commission report never addressed anything related to the actual crime scenes on 9/11 or suggested to do any serious criminal investigation into the crime scenes. If you apply your own intelligence in reading the garbage it reeks of serious fraud, the United States governments never intending to conduct any serious investigation.(FACT)

By, Executive Order 11130, President Lyndon B. Johndson created the Warren Commision to investigate the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22 1963. Together Earl Warren(chairman), Richard B Russell, John Sherman Cooper, Gerald R. Ford, Hale Boggs, Allen W. Dulles and John J. McCloy were established as the Warren Commision. And on November 29, 1963 they submited there final report to LBJ.

If you actually read Executive order 11130 you will understand just how the United States Government gets away with Murder. Now compare it with the structure and the forming of the 9/11 Commission report you will realize same book different cover.

About the Commission (9/11)
The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

The first sentence below concerning the 9/11 commission say’s nothing it is totally meaningless. Now couple this with the foundation of the 9/11 Commission report and the testimony of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) what do you have? I do not know if KSM is even alive do you?

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks.

The second sentence below is what the commission focused on so what is this anyway? It’s called mind fornication.

The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

So all we can do is build on the facts of the actual evidence that defies reason, logic, and physical science and keep spreading those facts to the people it will reach a critical mass in the population.

Reference: http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/index.htm

Reference: Executive Order 11130

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/foreword.html

Jesse Hemingway

05-08-2007, 10:59 AM

If it were the Saudi’s that hijacked the planes on 9/11 and caused all the damage on 9/11 then why doesn’t the story just end there? Why doesn’t the United States government version of what happened on 9/11 hold any water? Or is this just another george bush trust us story?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/040507bushtold.htm

Other countries have figured it too.

http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1795

Lovelynice

05-12-2007, 02:08 AM

I downloaded and saw that video ages ago, I think. It was pretty good.

Jesse Hemingway

05-19-2007, 03:06 PM

This is the method the United States Government applies to get away with crimes on their citizens. JFK and 9/11 are very similar in the operational function used by internal cabals in our government used to change the direction of our Country. The book below just keeps repeating the disinformation created by the Warren Commission. Look at the structure of the origin of the 9/11 commission and it is almost exactly the same method used after JFK’s execution.

Both Commissions really never went into intense investigations surrounding the entire scope of the crime and crime scenes. By implementing both of the commissions’ directives within the written executive orders by two presidents; they both leave out a through investigation. Both the commissions’ hands are tided and start with false foundation. The commissions’ are instructed to begin from the known false premise and expound the disinformation.

This is a review (below) from his (Vincent Bugliosi) JFK book, I thought that Vincent said if you start from a false premise then the entire version is incorrect.

"There have been hundreds of books about the assassination, but there has never been a book that covers the entire case, including addressing each and every conspiracy theory and the facts, or alleged facts, on which they are based. In this monumental work, the author has raised scholarship on the assassination to a new and final level, one that far surpasses all other books on the subject. It adds resonance, depth, and closure to the admirable work of the Warren Commission."
Lets read what it said:

[Released November 30, 1963. Dated November 29, 1963]

PURSUANT to the authority vested in me as President of the United States, I hereby appoint a Commission to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination. The Commission shall consist of--

The Chief Justice of the United States, Chairman;

Senator Richard B. Russell;.......................(Under investigation by JFK)
Senator John Sherman Cooper;
Congressman Hale Boggs;
Congressman Gerald R. Ford;
The Honorable Allen W. Dulles;...............(Under investigation by JFK)
The Honorable John J. McCloy................(Under investigation by JFK)

The purposes of the Commission are to examine the evidence developed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and any additional evidence that may hereafter come to light or be uncovered by Federal or State authorities; to make such further investigation as the Commission finds desirable; to evaluate all the facts and circumstances surrounding such assassination, including the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination, and to report to me its findings and conclusions.

The Commission is empowered to prescribe its own procedures and to employ such assistants as it deems necessary.

Necessary expenses of the Commission may be paid from the "Emergency Fund for the President."

All Executive departments and agencies are directed to furnish the Commission with such facilities, services, and cooperation as it may request from time to time.

LYNDON B. JOHNSON )...........................(Under investigation by JFK)
THE WHITE HOUSE

November 29, 1963

On December 3, 1963, the UPI wire carried a story ... under the following lead: "An exhaustive FBI report now nearly ready for the White House will indicate that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone and unaided assassin of President Kennedy, Government sources said today." When he was informed of these news articles. Director Hoover wrote, "I thought no one knew this outside the FBI." According to (Assistant FBI Director) William Sullivan, Hoover himself ordered the report "leaked" to the press, in an attempt to "blunt the drive for an independent investigation of the assassination."

So how can you have an investigation with the FBI in charge of the investigation and the director of the FBI has already concluded it was Oswald before the investigation even starts? I would say that is the definition of a false premise.
Think about it.

Jesse Hemingway

05-23-2007, 12:30 AM

Most people have seen the flash prior to the plane hitting the WTC and Pentagon. These Trigger or fuse devices would accomplish that.

The Direct Strike Hard Target Weapon was described in 1997 as a 20,000 lb. class precision guided, adverse weather, direct attack bomb employed on the B-52 and B-2 aircraft. It will make use of the GCU developed by the JDAM program which uses GPS aided INS for adverse weather guidance.

This concept uses the Hard Target Smart Fuze (HTSF), an accelerometer based electronic fuze which allows control of the detonation point by layer counting, distance or time. The accelerometer senses G loads on the bomb due to deceleration as it penetrates through to the target. The fuze can distinguish between earth, concrete, rock and air.

Info from first generation
The bomb is detonated a few feet above ground level by a 38-inch fuze extender, optimized to clear vegetation while creating no crater. Nicknamed "Big Blue 82", the weapon is frequently and incorrectly referred to as "Daisy Cutter", a term which more properly applies to the fuze assembly for above-ground bursts.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dshtw.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/air-force-armament-museum

Jesse Hemingway

05-24-2007, 11:47 PM

Little-Known Use of DU in Commercial Jets Exposed
[and another little known piece of the Pentagon hit puzzle]

By Christopher Bollyn

The recent crash of a Boeing 747 in Halifax, Canada, raises a number of questions about the use of depleted uranium (DU) in airplanes, public health concerns and the 9-11 attacks. When a Boeing 747 crashed and burned on takeoff at Halifax International Airport in Nova Scotia, Canada, on Oct. 14, an official accident investigator said the aircraft probably contained radioactive depleted uranium.

Bill Fowler, an investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, said the plane was likely equipped with DU as counterweights in its wings and rudder.

"A 747 may contain as much as 1,500 kilograms [3,300 lbs.] of the material," the Canadian Press reported. It took 60 firefighters and 20 trucks about three hours to control the fire.

Fowler said: "there is no threat or concern" about DU exposure to those working on the wreckage.

"That's baloney," Marion Fulk, a retired staff scientist from Lawrence Livermore National Lab, told American Free Press. Fulk, 83, is currently researching how low-level ionizing radiation causes cancer, birth defects and a host of other health problems. Burning depleted uranium creates a "whole mess of oxides," Fulk said, "which is what makes it so wicked biologically."

In 1988, American physicist Robert L. Parker wrote that in the worst-case scenario, the crash of a Boeing 747 could affect the health of 250,000 people through exposure to uranium oxide particles. "Extended tests by the Navy and NASA showed that the temperature of the fireball in a plane crash can reach 1,200 degrees Celsius. Such temperatures are high enough to cause very rapid oxidation of depleted uranium," he wrote.

"Large pieces of uranium will oxidize rapidly and will sustain slow combustion when heated in air to temperatures of about 500 degrees Celsius," Paul Lowenstein, technical director and vice-president of Nuclear Metals Inc., the company that has supplied DU to Boeing, wrote in a 1993 article.

Now, some researchers are turning to the large number of sick firefighters and workers from the World Trade Center site and reports of elevated radiation levels around the Pentagon after 9-11. They contend that the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft involved in the attacks may have also contained depleted uranium counterweights.

PENTAGON RADIATION LEVELS

Around the Pentagon there were reports of high radiation levels after 9-11. American Free Press has documentation that radiation levels in Alexandria and Leesburg, Va., were much higher than usual on 9-11 and persisted for at least one week afterward.

In Alexandria, seven miles south of the burning Pentagon, a doctor with years of experience working with radiation issues found elevated radiation levels on 9-11 of 35 to 52 counts per minute (cpm) using a "Radalert 50" Geiger counter.

One week after 9-11, in Leesburg, 33 miles northwest of the Pentagon, soil readings taken in a residential neighborhood showed even higher readings of 75 to 83 cpm.

"That's pretty high," Cindy Folkers of the Washing ton-based Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS) told AFP. Folkers said 7 to 12 cpm is normal background radiation inside the NIRS building, and that outdoor readings of between 12 to 20 cpm are normal in Chevy Chase, Md., outside Washington.

The Radalert 50, Folkers said, is primarily a gamma ray detector and "detects only 7 percent of the beta radiation and even less of the alpha." This suggests that actual radiation levels may have been significantly higher than those detected by the doctor's Geiger counter.

"The question is, why?" Folkers said.

If the radiation came from the explosion and fire at the Pentagon, it most likely did not come from a Boeing 757, which is the type of aircraft that allegedly hit the building.

"Boeing has never used DU on either the 757 or the 767, and we no longer use it on the 747," Leslie M. Nichols, product spokesperson for Boeing's 767, told AFP. "Sometime ago, we switched to tungsten, because it is heavier, more readily available and more cost effective."

The cost effectiveness argument is debatable. A waste product of U.S. nuclear weapons and energy facilities, DU is reportedly provided by the Department of Energy to national and foreign armament companies free of charge.

DU is used in a wide variety of missiles in the U.S. arsenal as an armor penetrator. It is also used in the bunker-buster bombs and cruise missiles. Because no photographic evidence of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon is available to the public, 9-11 skeptics and independent researchers claim something else, such as a missile, struck the Pentagon.

A white flash, not unlike those seen in videos of the planes as they struck the twin towers, occurs when a DU penetrator hits a target.

Photographs from the Pentagon reveal that large round holes were punched through six walls in the three outer rings. The outside wall is 24 inches thick with a six-inch limestone exterior, eight inches of brick and 10 inches of steel reinforced concrete; the other walls are 18 inches thick.

The object that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 penetrated several feet of reinforced concrete, leaving holes with diameters between 11 and 16 feet.

Bill Bellinger, then head of the EPA's Radiation Program for Region III, which includes Virginia, told AFP that he had received information of elevated radiation levels and contacted EPA officials at the Pentagon.

"I was concerned about that," Bellinger said. "I didn't disregard it at all."

Bellinger told AFP that he thought the radiation was from DU in the aircraft.

Bellinger, who was based in Philadelphia, did not personally visit the Pentagon site and said that EPA personnel at the site had not reported high levels of radioactivity. However, the EPA official who Bellinger said had worked at the Pentagon, Craig Conklin, now at FEMA, told AFP that he had not been involved at the site, "directly or indirectly."

Workers and FEMA officials at the Pentagon were seen wearing special protective outfits and respirators. FEMA photos show the workers going through decontamination procedures.

Bellinger told AFP that the Department of Defense was responsible for on-site safety procedures at the Pentagon.

In New York, however, considerably less attention was paid to the health risks the burning rubble posed to workers at the WTC site. A recent screening done by Mount Sinai Hospital found that nearly three-quarters of the 1,138 first responders had experienced respiratory problems while working at Ground Zero, and half had respiratory ailments that persisted for an average of eight months afterward.

"We were dumfounded by how many people were sick, and how sick they were, and how sick they still are," said Robin Herbert, co-director of the program.

Thomas Cahill, professor of physics and atmospheric sciences, analyzed the plumes from a station one mile north of the burning WTC rubble. "The small particles worried me the most," Cahill told AFP, referring to the sub-micron-size particles, which can pass through the filters of respirators.

Cahill said the high levels of silicon, vanadium, nickel and sulfuric acid concerned him. The fine concrete dust, he said, acted "like Drano" in the lungs of the workers, where it irritated and burned the wet membranes.

Until Dec. 15, the pile was so hot, a piece of paper would ignite on contact with the rubble, Cahill said. "You had the workers working on top of a huge incinerator in the rush to get Wall Street going again," Cahill said. "It was really dumb.

"Only 30 percent of the firefighters working at the site in October were wearing any protection at all," he said.

A class action lawsuit on behalf of more than 800 people who suffer health effects was filed against WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein and the companies that supervised the cleanup: AMEC, Bovis Lend Lease, Turner, and Tully Construction.

The suit was filed on Sept. 10, the last day set by a federal three-year statute of limitations for lawsuits related to 9-11.

"Under state labor law, employers have a duty to provide a safe place to work," lead attorney David Worby said. "They violated that duty. Everyone knew what was on the ground."

As many as 100,000 workers at Ground Zero and hundreds of thousands more people in the area were exposed to airborne toxins, Worby said.

"If you expose a person to this amount of lead, cadmium, benzene, asbestos and glass shards, they are going to be sick," he said. "More people could die from this than died on the day of 9-11."

AMEC Construction Management, a subsidiary of the British engineering firm AMEC, renovated Wedge One of the Pentagon before 9-11 and cleaned it up afterward.

AMEC had also renovated Silverstein's WTC 7, which collapsed mysteriously on 9-11, and then headed the cleanup of the WTC site afterward. The AMEC construction firm is currently in the process of closing all its offices in the United States.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/depleted_uranium.html

Jesse Hemingway

05-25-2007, 11:25 PM

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

The anticipation of the Catastrophic Emergency is killing me:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Jesse Hemingway

05-26-2007, 11:46 AM

This is a good read if you are into 9/11, the link to the entire interview is below. About half way through it becomes apparent that the interviewer knows more then Lee Hamilton about 9/11. Lee Hamilton explains just how under funded the commission really was and the commission focus became fitting the facts to the 9/11 Commissions investigation budget.

Solomon: Do you consider the 9/11 Commission to have been a success, and if so, under what ways do you measure that success? How do you call it a success?

Hamilton: The 9/11 Commission was created by statute. We had two responsibilities - first, tell the story of 9/11; I think we've done that reasonably well. We worked very hard at it; I don’t know that we’ve told the definitive story of 9/11, but surely anybody in the future who tackles that job will begin with the 9/11 Commission Report. I think we’ve been reasonably successful in telling the story. It became a best seller in this country and people showed a lot of interest in it.

Our second task was to make recommendations; thus far, about half of our recommendations have been enacted into law, the other half have not been enacted. So we've got a ways to go. In a quantitative sense, we’ve had about 50% success there. In a qualitative sense, you could judge it many different ways. But we still have some very important recommendations that we think have not yet been enacted that should be.

http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html

Jesse Hemingway

06-04-2007, 12:06 AM

More unanswered questions

http://911science.blogspot.com/

Jesse Hemingway

06-09-2007, 12:32 PM

Good stuff about the neo cons in the link below.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=57728&relPageId=47

Jesse Hemingway

06-10-2007, 12:38 PM

Here is some research on that subject
The link below quick brush of the neo-con element with in our government that basically germinated after Eisenhower was elected in 1952. I myself believe that James Burnham played a greater role in creating the neo-con element in the United States government. (See the second link) There are many that think Leo Strauss was the main player in the development of neo-con movement (See third link) yet he was recruiting after Burnham was already working within the CIA.

Burnham ideology to over through a government was through middle and upper management within the government and filtering out the information to the decision makers. Members of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) clearly prove this theory (See Link four) look at the signatories on their statement pages look back at the last six years and the coup d'état is on. Yet back to what I originally started with was after Eisenhower was elected Thomas Dewey chose the majority of Eisenhower cabinet members and that where this mess all started.

Quick question to anyone that reads this how many States did Eisenhower win in the republican primary races?

http://www.maryferre...

http://orwell.ru/lib...

http://www.alternet....

http://www.newameric...

Jesse Hemingway

06-11-2007, 03:04 PM

Hot on Bin Laden's trail.

Internet Absurdity: Bin Laden Listed at FOX Headquarters
June 07, 2007 1:05 PM

Justin Rood Reports:

An Ohio man says he has located Osama bin Laden in the United States and wants to claim the U.S. government's $25 million reward.

Using an online person search built from phone directories and other public records, Thomas Potter of Olmsted Falls, Ohio, turned up three listings for "Usama bin Laden."

The first listing put the al Qaeda leader at the California headquarters of media giant FOX Entertainment Group. The second placed bin Laden in the office of a Bethesda, Md., Internet firm owned by the son of a former Defense Department official. And the third pinpointed bin Laden's secret hideout as an unidentified location in Hermitage, Tenn.

A self-described "househusband" and 9/11 skeptic -- "I am not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist," he says, "I just do not believe a word of the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory" -- Potter made his discovery this Sunday morning, as part of what he calls a years-long research effort to debunk the "official" version of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Now, Potter says the government owes him the massive reward it promises to anyone with information leading to the capture of Osama bin Laden.

"I understand that the FBI is offering $25 million," Potter wrote in an e-mail to the Department of Justice, alerting them to his findings. "I would like to know if the reward is tax free and if I could please receive it in cash."

Calls to FOX and the Bethesda Internet firm failed to turn up America's most wanted terrorist.

"There's no Osama that works here. Obviously, this is some sort of a prank," FOX spokesman Scott Grogan told the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

"Unfortunately, I don't" have Osama bin Laden on the payroll, Phil Schmitz of Bethesda Interactive Solutions told ABCNews.com. "I'm sure you wouldn't be the first person to call me if I did."

Schmitz confirmed his father, Joseph, was the top Pentagon watchdog from 2002 to 2005. Joseph Schmitz then joined the Prince Group, which owns the private security contractor Blackwater USA.

"I promise you this has no relation to that," Schmitz said of his father's activities.

So how did bin Laden come to be associated with the two companies in the massive whitepages.com database? It's something of a mystery.

The site does not allow the public to add or amend entries in its database, although individuals can ask to have their information removed.

In an e-mail statement, the company told ABCNews.com only that their listings "originate from publicly available local telephone records and other public information sources." It declined to disclose any further information.

Shortly after ABCNews.com contacted whitepages.com, a search for "Usama Laden," the term Potter used, on the company's site returned only the Tennessee location for "Usama bin Laden." No phone number accompanies that listing.
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/internet_absurd.html

Jesse Hemingway

06-12-2007, 09:46 PM

Good cht here a must see!!!!!!!!!!!

Latest 9/11 Headlines
"September Clues" (evidence of video fakery)
[Editor's note: The most convincing evidence of TV fakery yet!]
http://livevideo.com/video/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx
http://livevideo.com/video/2CE2112F00F24F4182C73582D0F89949/september-clues-part2.aspx
http://livevideo.com/video/E0E8DC73928D42D4A01CF664B22E16B5/september-clues-part3.aspx
http://livevideo.com/video/3F706266A8524D6AA3CCC4CFC2F0F257/september-clues-part4.aspx

Jesse Hemingway

06-18-2007, 10:03 PM

http://www.amny.com/entertainment/news/am-wtcrelics-pg2006,0,6613706.photogallery?index=1

Jesse Hemingway

06-19-2007, 08:11 PM

http://muckrakerreport.com/id435.html

Jesse Hemingway

06-19-2007, 10:12 PM

9/11 widows demand release of CIA's Inspector General report RAW STORY
Published: Monday June 18, 2007

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A group composed of widows of 9/11 victims are demanding the release of a key CIA report.

"The report, prepared by the CIA's inspector general, is the only major 9/11 government review that has still not been made publicly available," Michael Isikoff reported in January. "When it was completed in August 2005, Newsweek and other publications reported that it contained sharp criticisms of former CIA director George Tenet and other top agency officials for failing to address the threat posed by Al Qaeda, as well as other mistakes that might have prevented the attacks."

In a statement obtained by RAW STORY, September 11th Advocates Patty Casazza, Monica Gabrielle, Mindy Kleinberg, and Lorie Van Auken write, "Almost six years have passed since the attacks of September 11, 2001, yet critical information continues to be withheld from the American public regarding the attacks.

"In 2002, after reviewing the evidence produced by the Joint Inquiry of Congress into the 9/11 Attacks, both Republican and Democratic Congressmen agreed that a CIA Inspector General review into individual responsibility was necessary," the statement continues. "Faced with the facts, these Congressmen understood that accountability in the Intelligence Community was crucial."

The 9/11 widows add, "Their intent was that a final declassified CIA/IG report be released to the public and where deemed appropriate by the report, for personnel at all levels to be held accountable for any omission, commission, or failure to meet professional standards in regard to the events of September 11, 2001. To date, despite enormous efforts from the Senate Intelligence Committee, nothing has happened."

According to 9/11Truth.org, a petition entitled "The Public's Right to Know - Declassification and Release of Documents" (link) garnered over 15,000 signatures and was "hand delivered...to lawmakers in Washington, DC."

Further excerpts from September 11th Advocates' statement:

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Michael Isikoff wrote in his January 2007 Newsweek article that, "When it [the CIA/IG report] was completed in August 2005, NEWSWEEK and other publications reported that it contained sharp criticisms of former CIA director George Tenet and other top agency officials for failing to address the threat posed by Al Qaeda, as well as other mistakes that might have prevented the attacks."

Isikoff goes on to say, "What's really behind the intelligence community's refusal to release the report, the senators suspect, is a desire to protect the reputations of some of the main figures."

Since sources and methods are not revealed in a declassified report, national security is protected and thus not an excuse for withholding this document. Since when does embarrassment meet any standard for keeping a government report secret? Isn’t it time for our elected and appointed officials to do the job that they were sent to our Nation’s Capitol for: to protect the public and not reputations?

Americans have the right to know that the problems identified in this report have been addressed and corrected. We have the right to know that competent people are serving us in strategic positions – our safety and security depends on it. Incompetence costs lives.

Legislation, co-sponsored by Senators Ron Wyden D-OR and Kit Bond R-MO, calling for the release of the 9/11 CIA/IG report, already exists, has passed the Senate and has strong bipartisan support. Yet, the White House and the CIA continue to refuse to release the already declassified version of the report.

It is sadly and abundantly clear that, once again, only heightened public pressure on the Administration and the CIA will force accountability. We call on the public and the press to demand the release of the declassified version of the 9/11 CIA’s Inspector General report.

Patty Casazza
Monica Gabrielle
Mindy Kleinberg
Lorie Van Auken

Jesse Hemingway

06-21-2007, 03:55 PM

Judicial Watch Releases New FBI Documents: Osama bin Laden May Have Chartered Saudi Flight Out of U.S. after 9/11

(Washington, DC) -- Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released new documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) related to the “expeditious departure” of Saudi nationals, including members of the bin Laden family, from the United States following the 9/11 attacks. According to one of the formerly confidential documents, dated 9/21/2001, terrorist Osama bin Laden may have chartered one of the Saudi flights.

The document states: “ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE [REDACTED] LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND.” The plane was allowed to depart the United States after making four stops to pick up passengers, ultimately landing in Paris where all passengers disembarked on 9/20/01, according to the document.

Overall, the FBI’s most recent document production includes details of the six flights between 9/14 and 9/24 that evacuated Saudi royals and bin Laden family members. The documents also contain brief interview summaries and occasional notes from intelligence analysts concerning the cursory screening performed prior to the departures. According to the FBI documents, incredibly not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value.

Moreover, the documents contain numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights. For example, on one document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 20 of 23 passengers on the Ryan International Airlines flight (commonly referred to as the “Bin Laden Family Flight”). On another document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 15 of 22 passengers on the same flight.

“Eight days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Osama bin Laden possibly charters a flight to whisk his family out of the country, and it’s not worth more than a luggage search and a few brief interviews?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Clearly these documents prove the FBI conducted a slapdash investigation of these Saudi flights. We’ll never know how many investigative leads were lost due to the FBI’s lack of diligence.”

U.S. District Court Judge Richard W. Roberts ordered the FBI to resubmit “proper disclosures” to the Court and Judicial Watch, having previously criticized the adequacy of redaction descriptions, the validity of exemption claims, and other errors in the FBI’s disclosures. Incredibly, the FBI had previously redacted Osama bin Laden’s name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”

The latest version of the FBI documents, obtained under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act and through ongoing litigation (Judicial Watch v. Department of Homeland Security & Federal Bureau of Investigation, No. 04-1643 (RWR)) is available below.

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Click here to view the latest version of the FBI Saudi Flight Documents

http://judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jesse Hemingway

06-23-2007, 01:28 AM

The FBI’s report just does not add up

By: Jesse Hemingway

Summary

This report does not add up from the beginning when 75 Saudis left Los Angeles from the fear of the tremor from an earthquake and arrived in Las Vegas before the earthquake even occurred in Los Angeles. Then the 75 Saudis turn into 69 then another 5 went missing bring the number to 64. That would mean that there are 11 Saudis went unaccounted for by 9/11/01. There was also another group of Saudis in Las Vegas a total of 34 that left on 9/24/01. By the time you get to the end of the report on pages 118,119 and 120 the 98 Saudis turn into only 50 the other 48 nationalities become unidentified. You would think that after such a horrific event on 9/11/2001 this is the best the United States government can do which in fact it is par excellent disinformation. This leaves us with the last question why is the United States Government so good at disinformation?

According to the FBI report (Ref 1) on September 9, 2001 a group of 75 Saudis arrived in Las Vegas because of the fear of an earthquake tremor on 9/8/01. An earthquake occurred on 9/9/01 at 11:59 PM (PST) 1.1 miles SE Beverly Hills California (Ref 2 & 3) Saudis arrived in Las Vegas before the earth quake occurred. (Page 6 Ref 1) This group rented 23 rooms at the Caesar’s Palace and 23 rooms at the Four Seasons Hotel (Page 6 Ref 1). On 9/11/01 the group of Saudis stay at Caesar’s Palace move to the Four Seasons now rent 56 rooms. Another group of 34 Saudis were staying at the Bellagio Hotel (Page 8 Ref 1).

On 9/18/01 69 Saudis were questioned by the FBI (Page 7 Ref 1) and on 9/19/01 51 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight DC-8-73 the airplane’s tail # TR-LTZ. Then on 9/20/01 18 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight B 727-21 the airplanes tail # N727PX (Page 7 Ref 1). On 9/24/01 34 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight (ATA) L-1011 the airplane’s tail # N189AT (Page 8 Ref 1).

51 + 18 + 34 = 103

From 9/18/01 – 9/20/01 Bin Laden family charter Ryan flight 441 there were 23 Saudi passengers (Page 31 Ref 1).On 9/14/01 4 Saudis departed from Providence Rhode Island (Page 31 Ref 1). On 9/16/01 14 Saudis departed from Lexington Kentucky (Page 31 Ref 1). On 9/19/01 48 Saudis departed Las Vegas; on 9/20/01 18 Saudis departed Las Vegas; on 9/24/01 34 Saudis departed from Las Vegas (Page 31 Ref 1).

23 + 4 + 14 = 41 48 + 18 + 34 = 100

On 9/19/01 46 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight DC-8-73 airplane’s tail # TR-LTZ (Page 38 Ref1). On 9/20/01 18 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight B 727-21 (Page 38 Ref 1). On 9/24/01 34 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight ATA L-1011 tail # N189AT (Page 40 Ref 1).

46 + 18 + 34 = 98

On 9/18/01 69 Saudis were interviewed by the FBI and cleared for 46 people for the 9/19/01 on flight DC-8-73 airplane’s tail # TR-LTZ (Page 44 Ref 1). On 9/18/01 69 names with identifiers were checked against current FBI watch list (Page 47 Ref 1). On 9/20/01 18 Saudis departed Las Vegas on flight B 727-21 airplane’s tail # N727PX (Page 47 Ref 1).

46 + 18 = 64

On 9/24/01 34 Saudis departed from Las Vegas on flight (ATA) L-1011 airplanes tail # N189AT they were checked against the FBI watch list (Page 49 Ref 1).

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“Altogether, about 140 Saudis were on the flights, according to an FBI source” (Page 59 Ref 1).

On 9/19/01 23 Saudis and members of the Bin Laden family departed the United States on a chartered plane Ryan International flight 441 (Page106 Ref 1). Making four stops that day starting in Los Angeles at 9:00 AM (PST) picking up 1 individual. At 5:00 PM (EST) more then one person was picked up at Orlando International Airport. At 8:00 PM (EST) more then one person was picked up at Dulles International Airport. At 11:00 PM (EST) another pick up of more then one person at Logan International Airport departing at 12:30 AM (EST) on 9/20/01(Page 107 & 108).

The total numbers of Saudis identify on the three flights leaving Las Vegas on 9/19 and 9/20 and 9/24/01 was 50 of the 98 on the flights (Pages 118,119,120 Ref1).

The summary states 141 people were on the 6 flights (Page 181 Ref 1).

Summary

This report does not add up from the beginning when 75 Saudis left Los Angeles from the fear of the tremor from an earthquake and arrived in Las Vegas before the earthquake occurred in Los Angeles. Then the 75 Saudis turn into 69 then another 5 went missing bring the number to 64. That would mean that there are 11 Saudis went unaccounted for by 9/11/01. There was also another group of Saudis in Las Vegas a total of 34 that left on 9/24/01. By the time you get to the end of the report on pages 118,119 and 120 the 98 Saudis turn into only 50 the other 48 nationalities become unidentified. You would think that after such a horrific event on 9/11/2001 this is the best the United States government can do which in fact it is par excellent disinformation. This leaves us with the last question why is the United States Government so good at disinformation?

Reference: 1 http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_02/saudidocs_2.pdf

Reference: 2 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/shakemap/list.php?n=sc&y=2001

Reference: 3 http://www.data.scec.org/monthly/bymyear.php?year=2001

Jesse Hemingway

06-25-2007, 08:14 PM

June 21, 2007 at 06:12:39

New Study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit the Pentagon

by James Fetzer Page 1 of 2 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. "We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building," said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission".

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/),

rest of the story:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_james_fe_070620_new_study_from_pilot.htm

Jesse Hemingway

06-27-2007, 12:27 AM

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html

Lovelynice

06-28-2007, 10:54 AM

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html

I've been frequently checking out this site for architects and engineers who doubt the official 9/11 fairytale nonsense
http://ae911truth.org/

Jesse Hemingway

07-02-2007, 10:09 PM

I guess it’s time to apply some logic to this decision by George W Bush to commute Libby. The republicans love to compare the war on terror as equivalent to the great world wars. I known many World War II veterans they surly would not stand for this bravado display of treason. The most critical competent in the prosecution of anti terrorism through out the world would relay on the ability by covert infiltration by your covert agencies. No matter how you dice the logic you end up at the cost of attacking the United States of America on September 11, 2001, value is placed at $250,000.00 fine, two years probation, and a felony charge. So what really happened that day obviously not to much? Any person requesting leniency for Libby is no real American.

Jesse Hemingway

07-03-2007, 11:30 PM

Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: February 13, 2006

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The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned.

According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

Jesse Hemingway

07-06-2007, 02:57 PM

In France, a senior pol dares to question the 9/11 tale
Today, nearly six years after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, does anyone doubt the Bush administration and the mass media's grand narrative about just who was responsible for those shocking, sudden, well-coordinated and super-destructive events?

AP

France's Minister of Housing and Urban Affairs, Christine Boutin (left), with her boss, President Nicolas Sarkozy
Well, yes.

For starters, on the strength of irrefutable evidence, the whole world has rejected George W. Bush, Jr. and Dick Cheney's repeated insinuations - which they used as a excuse to start the U.S.-led Iraq war - that the government of former dictator Saddam Hussein was somehow behind the attacks. That claim didn't square with the evidence that Al-Qaeda was responsible, since the terrorist organization led by Osama bin Laden was not operating in Iraq at the time. In any case, today, still, there are some observers who doubt the established, now-familiar media story about the historic attacks that Team Bush seized upon to launch an aimless "war on terror." Apparently, one of them has landed a high-ranking government job in the cabinet of France's new president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

That Doubting Thomas is Christine Boutin, France's new minister of housing and urban affairs.

ReOpen911, a France-based Web site devoted to investigating what took place in New York, Washington, D.C., and a field in Pennsylvania on that fateful day in 2001, and whatever events might have led up to it, is now featuring a video clip shot in November of last year in which Boutin - at that time still not a cabinet minister - is asked: "Do you think that Bush could [have been] behind these attacks?"

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15archive/&entry_id=18296

Jesse Hemingway

07-06-2007, 03:03 PM

27, 2007 at 10:21:07

Purdue 9/11 simulation exposed as fraud: Media covers up hoax and conceals crimes

by James Fetzer Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

A computer animation by engineers and computer scientists at Purdue University has been exposed as a fraud by a new member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. James Fetzer, who founded the society, received a study from Nick Irving, replying to his invitation to submit an essay on the Purdue simulation, which can be found on the internet via http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8 "Nick pointed out that the model was based upon false data about the weakening point of steel and the temperature of jet fuel based fires. He proved that fireproofing was irrelevant because the fires never reached the weakening point of steel. But most importantly of all," Fetzer observed, "he noticed that the simulation does not even model the 'collapse' and cannot have shown that these fires caused one." His study has been archived at 911scholars.org.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_james_fe_070626_purdue_9_2f11_simulati.htm

Jesse Hemingway

07-07-2007, 02:11 AM

July 2, 2007 at 09:50:17

NIST exploring 9/11 conspiracy theory for WTC-7: New witness confirms Scholars previous findings

by James Fetzer Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

NIST exploring 9/11 conspiracy theory for WTC-7: New witness confirms Scholars previous findings

Jim Fetzer

Madison, WI (OpEdNews) 1 July 2007 – The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) appears to be moving in the direction of a "conspiracy theory" about the destruction of WTC-7 on 9/11 just as a new witness has emerged reporting extensive destruction inside the building many hours before it would be demolished. According to James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, these turns of events provide further confirmation for the conclusion that WTC-7 was brought down by a controlled demolition at 5:20 PM/ET. "Anyone who googles WTC-7 will see an event that looks exactly like a controlled demolition, just as Peter Jennings and Dan Rather reported at the time. That is why this event makes NIST so uncomfortable."

WTC-7, a 47-story building also known as the Soloman Brothers Building, collapsed about 7 hours after the Twin Towers were demolished. It was hit by no jet aircraft and had no jet-fuel based fires. "It did have a few modest fires, which could have been easily controlled but were allowed to burn," Fetzer said. "Remarkably, the fire alarm system in WTC-7 was turned off at 6:47 AM/ET and placed on 'TEST' status for a period of eight hours." In its latest press release (29 June 2007), NIST acknowledges that NIST is "considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse . . . (and) led to (WTC-7's) structural failure."

A new eyewitness inside WTC-7 on the morning of 9/11, heard explosions before either of the Twin Towers collapsed. He was summoned to the Office of Emergency Management Operating Center (OEMOC), also known as "Rudy's Bunker," on the 23rd floor of the building. The center had been especially prepared for the Mayor and other officials to gather in case of a terrorist attack or other emergency. Some have wondered why Giuliani did not go to the OEMOC but instead remained some distance from the World Trade Center. This witness, who testified at official hearings and whose identity will be revealed in the general-theater-release version of "Loose Change," has information that sheds light on this and other questions about WTC-7.

Rolf Lindgren, former Vice-Chair of the Libertarian Party of Wisconsin and independent scholar of the events of 9/11, transcribed the testimony and edited it for clarity of English. The complete transcript is below. The witness went to WTC-7 after the first plane struck the North Tower and before the second hit the South Tower. When he arrived at the 23rd floor, he found half-eaten sandwiches and still-steaming coffee. He made some phone calls and was told to leave "right away." Someone ran into the Center and led him to a stairwell. "When we reached the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way; there was an explosion and the landing gave way." He had to climb back up to the 8th floor to find a way out. When he got to the lobby, "the lobby was totally destroyed. It looked like King Kong had come through and stepped on it.. And it was so destroyed I didn't know where I was . . . (and) they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, . . . a hole that I believe the fire department made to get me out."

WTC-7 has been widely regarded within the 9/11 research community as the most blatant of all "smoking guns" that disprove the official account. According to David Ray Griffin, a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and the movement's leading representative, the building showed all the characteristics of a controlled demolition: an abrupt, complete, and total collapse at freefall speed, which was perfectly symmetrical and into its own foundation, as he has explained in his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking (2007). "The 'blast events' this witness is describing are not 'hypothetical," Fetzer observed, "but actual. Only actual events can bring about effects. So it's a bit labored for NIST to say it's considering whether 'hypothetical' blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. They could not. That requires real blast events."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_james_fe_070701_nist_exploring_9_2f11_.htm

Jesse Hemingway

07-07-2007, 09:46 AM

All 9/11 Airports Serviced by
One Israeli Owned Company
It's one of those times when an innocuous comment in an unrelated news report triggers a revelation.
In the article at http://afrocubaweb.com/news/israelispying.htm there is the following paragraph:

"To make the situation worse, a private security company called ICTS, owned by an Israeli, Ezra Harel, and registered in the Netherlands, was employed at Charles de Gaulle airport to screen passengers boarding US planes. Most of its personnel are ex-Shin Bet officers. The company covers security at Boston's Logan airport, where the American Airlines plane came down after flight attendants and passengers overpowered Reid."

The point of the article was that ICTS knew shoe bomber Richard Reid was dangerous, but allowed him on board a flight from Tel Aviv to Paris. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. But the idea that an Israeli owned company had inside access to the airport used to launch an abortive terror attack brought to mind the strange message Odigo Systems, another Israeli owned company with offices near the World Trade Towers, received that warned of the impending attacks before the hijacked planes had even left the ground.

So, I went back to another story that had surfaced briefly, reported at www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26626 about how at least one hijacker had smuggled a GUN aboard one of the hijacked planes. Even prior to 9-11, getting a gun on board a passenger plane represented a serious lapse of security. I wondered why this story of a gun was being concealed behind talk of box cutters and screwdrivers.

Then I went back to the first article and its mention that ICTS handled security at Logan International Airport, from which two of the 9-11 hijacked planes had departed.

Sure enough, a visit to ICTS' own web site at http://www.icts-int.com/ confirms that ICTS is in fact an Israeli owned company, and that it sells services to every airport from which the hijacked planes operated, including security, sometimes through wholly owned subsidiaries like Huntleigh USA Corporation.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html

Lovelynice

07-08-2007, 04:44 AM

Wow, looks like a lot of very interesting information is coming out.

KevinG

07-08-2007, 09:42 AM

LOL.

Look at all the sources these fools provide. Just read the names of the links!

HAHAAHHAHA.

You fools. Go jump off a bridge.

Lovelynice

07-08-2007, 12:25 PM

Look at all the sources these fools provide. .

Yes they provide information backed with quotes, sources, and links.

What do you have to back your BS? NOTHING :taunt:

LOL - loser

Jesse Hemingway

07-12-2007, 12:39 AM

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Jesse Hemingway

07-14-2007, 01:24 PM

Aaron Dykes / JonesReport | June 26, 2007

Norman Mineta Confirms That Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11
Former Transportation Secretary Disputes 9/11 Commission Report Timetable for Dick Cheney and Reveals Lynn Cheney Was Also in PEOC Bunker Before Attack

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.

Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.

Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html

Jesse Hemingway

07-14-2007, 01:30 PM

Michael Chertoff
The Man & His Star-Crossed Past
Jim Kirwan
6-23-7

hVery few Americans, not directly affected by this man of many faces have no idea, of who really directs the duties of the 180,000 government employees in DHS: Duties that this man now holds in his stained and conflicted hands. It seems that the variety of controversies which have paralleled Michael Chertoff's meteoric rise in government have been allowed to languish in the shadows for far too long. If the public does not soon become familiar with who their Director of Homeland Security really is-then they may live to regret that oversight. The details of Michael Chertoff's personal history should have disqualified him for high office: but instead his nomination for this job was approved without objection by the Senate.

"The Senate voted 98-0 to approve Chertoff on February 15. Chertoff, 51, took the oath of office that night in "a private ceremony at the White House."

DHS has a $32 billion budget, 180,000 employees, and jurisdiction over immigration, customs and transportation security, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The question of Chertoff's dual-nationality doesn't seem to have concerned a single U.S. senator.
Many have wondered who let the detained suspected Israeli agents go back to Israel, immediately after 911. Apparently it was Michael Chertoff.

"Chertoff allowed scores of suspected Israeli terrorists and spies to quietly return to Israel . In several cases, Israeli suspects working for phoney moving companies, such as Urban Moving Systems from Weehawken, N.J., were caught driving moving vans which tested positive for explosives. On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, which was found to be a Mossad front company, fled to Israel after FBI agents requested a second interview.

One group of 5 Israelis was seen on the roof of Urban Moving Systems videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center. These Israeli agents were returned to Israel on visa violations.

http://www.rense.com/general77/chert.htm

Jesse Hemingway

07-18-2007, 01:25 AM

George W Bush why don’t you read your own propaganda

By: Jesse Hemingway

According to the United States Government 9/11 Commission Report that anyone one having a gut feeling concerning the possibility of any future Al Qaeda threats should relieve themselves. Please, Please, read your government sponsored propaganda between 1996 and 2001 Al Qaeda trained somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 “U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction in Bin Laden-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000.” (Ref 1) That is a very significant amount of people 200 a month to 400 a month were processed through a facility you would be able to pick that operation up on a satellite. Then the reports went on to say “Thousands flowed through the camps, but no more than a few hundred seem to have become al Qaeda members. From the time of its founding, al Qaeda had employed training and indoctrination to identify "worthy" candidates.” (Ref1) So what is it a few hundred or thousands? The majority of the candidates had one way tickets suicide bombers do not have to worry a repetition and redundancy on the job.19 highjackers allegedly died on 9/11 the would be a percentage loss of al Qaeda organization.

In the 9/11 Commission report the al Qaeda cell in the United States used to highjack planes on 9/11 was a highly controlled by Bin Laden for years (Ref2). There was also no indication of pending operations by the testimony to the 9/11 commission. Following 9/11 al Qaeda started to lose members as bin laden was driven under ground. During the 2004 presidential debates Bush and Cheney both claimed al Qaeda was reduced by 80% thus leaving a total al Qaeda force of 100 to 80 -19 =81 or 61 members.

The Bush administrations have incorrectly used the term Al Qaeda in Iraq when in fact it is Saudi Arabia fighters killing Americans troops. Unless to the Bush administration the meaning of al Qaeda and Saudi Arabian are synonymous the fact is that 45% of the foreign fighters are al Qaeda I mean Saudi Arabian. Iran is not involved Iraq because that gift was given to Iran by the Bush Administration.

George W. Bush Legacy will be that he created Osama Bin Laden to be one of the greatest military minds in history.

Ref: 1 http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm

Ref: 2 http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/index.htm

Jesse Hemingway

07-20-2007, 09:40 PM

Kevin Ryan's open letter to Purdue University

9-11 Cover-Up, Controlled Demolition, Debunking 9-11 Debunking, Purdue Simulation, The NIST Report, Kevin Ryan, Disinformation, Journal of 9-11 Studies, Scholars for 9-11 Truth and Justice, World Trade Center Destruction

President Córdova,

Congratulations on your recent appointment at Purdue University. As a long time citizen of the state of Indiana, I welcome you to what I know to be an outstanding institution of higher learning. At the same time, I hope to help you see an immediate opportunity to make a great positive difference in the lives of the people of our state and, in fact, a great difference in the lives of people everywhere. Through your appointment you have been given this opportunity to speak out and denounce what can be called, at best, criminally negligent science on the part of a small segment of the Purdue faculty.

Last month, a few Purdue professors, along with some students, presented a short animation ostensibly related to the 9/11 tragedy at the World Trade Center (WTC). Surprisingly the University then announced this animation in a news release, as if it represented a scientifically accurate simulation of the impact of a Boeing 767 into the WTC’s north tower.[1] Unfortunately, this short video clip is far from a scientifically-based production, as it actually contradicts several of the government’s own, much more intensive studies, and shamefully fails to capture some of the most basic aspects of the related events. To make things worse, Purdue University paradoxically implies that this brief animation provides support for the overworked fire-induced collapse hypothesis. By simultaneously contradicting and voicing support for the official story, Purdue has helped to promote the Bush Administration’s fraudulent 9/11 Wars, and instantly earned a notorious place in modern history.

In one important way this new animation does reflect reality, although in doing so it negates the official stance taken by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). In their September 2005 report, NIST presented their “collapse initiation sequence”, and explained how they felt the loss of fireproofing was the key to the destruction of the towers. NIST suggested that the fireproofing loss occurred as a result of aircraft debris, in the form of shotgun-like blasts, scraping the fireproofing off of thousands of square meters of surface area.[2] But from Purdue’s new animation, we can clearly see that the aircraft that impacted the WTC tower could not have been instantly transformed into thousands of tiny pellets in the form of shotgun blasts. The animation more realistically displays the large fragments of debris from the fuselage clattering around in the skeletal framework of the tower. For this reason we must thank Purdue for this visualization that negates NIST’s primary explanation.

Link below

http://visibility911.com/blog/?p=71

Jesse Hemingway

07-20-2007, 09:44 PM

AND THEN THERE WAS ONE… The Final Holdout: 9/11
By Reggie, Contributing Editor, TvNewsLIES.org

Not to worry, this is not about truth seekers or conspiracy theories. It’s not about the long list of anomalies and discrepancies in the official story of 9/11. It’s not even about the undeniable fact that the events of 9/11 gave George Bush and his handlers the keys to the neocon kingdom of empire. It really is not.

What it’s about is the strangest phenomenon I can recall in my entire adult life. It’s about what I perceive to be an extraordinary lapse in the logic of millions of otherwise sensible Americans. And it’s about something I cannot wrap my mind around, no matter how I try. Maybe someone out there can help me understand what’s going on.

In preface, let me also say that this is not about being uninformed. Granted, the corporate media have suppressed any discussion, debate or investigative reporting about the attacks on the United States that purportedly ‘changed everything.’ That reality aside, even the most fawn-like pundits on the airwaves understand that the ship of state is sinking, and that it is time to challenge the lies of this administration. But, it seems that lie after lie has become fair game for disclosure, or at least for some discussion at this point. As a result, each day, the American people in larger and larger numbers understand that they have been taken for a terrible and costly ride by the lies they were told by this President and his cohorts.

That is, every lie but one.

Finally, nearly seven years after a stolen election that was itself based on lies, greater numbers of Americans are no longer blindly accepting the talking points emanating from the White House as the Gospel truth. In more and more media outlets the Bush lies are openly being identified as such, - rather than by every other euphemism meant to soften the ugliness of a government lying to its people. If people are not totally convinced, at least they hear debates and discussions and competing viewpoints. If nothing else, they are beginning to have doubts about the daily mantras that had them mesmerized for so long.

link below:

http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=648

Jesse Hemingway

07-20-2007, 09:56 PM

The Science and the Politics of 9/11 Conference To Be Held in Madison, Wisconsin

Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be holding its first conference, "The Science and the Politics of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not", at the Radisson Madison from August 3-5 in Madison, Wisconsin.

Madison, WI (PRWEB) July 20, 2007 -- Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be holding its first conference at the Radisson Madison from August 3-5 in Madison, Wisconsin. The conference, titled "The Science and the Politics of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not," will review the many reasons why the "official account" of 9/11 cannot possibly be true, and will explore issues that have generated controversy in the research community. Space is limited so call 608-835-2707 to register.

The conference will allow students of 9/11 research to interact personally with leading investigators. Additional topics include 9/11 in the context of the Neocon agenda, with a final session devoted to assessing the state of current research.

Link below:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/07/prweb541060.htm

Jesse Hemingway

07-20-2007, 10:05 PM

Thursday, 13 September, 2001, 12:59 GMT 13:59 UK

How the World Trade Center fell

By BBC News Online's Sheila Barter
The design of the World Trade Center saved thousands of lives by standing for well over an hour after the planes crashed into its twin towers, say structural engineers.

It was the fire that killed the buildings - nothing on Earth could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning

Structural engineer Chris Wise
But the towers' ultimate collapse was inevitable, as the steel cores inside them reached temperatures of 800C - raising questions as to why hundreds of rescue workers were sent into the doomed buildings to their deaths.

The steel and concrete structures performed amazingly well, said John Knapton, professor in structural engineering at Newcastle University, UK.

"I believe tens of thousands of lives have been saved by the structural integrity of the buildings," he told BBC News Online.

"They had a lot of their structure taken out, yet they remained intact for more than an hour, allowing thousands to escape."

Temperatures at 800C

But as fires raged in the towers, driven by aviation fuel, the steel cores in each building would have eventually reached 800C - hot enough to start buckling and collapsing.

The protective concrete cladding on the cores would have been no permanent defence in these extraordinary circumstances - keeping the intense heat at bay for only a limited timespan.

Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire

(inside a jet engine it even gets hotter while people are flying on them)

World Trade Center construction manager
"It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning," said structural engineer Chris Wise.

"The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other."

The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agreed that nothing could have saved them from the inferno.

"The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it," he said.

I would have given the order to get out - you would have thought someone with technical expertise would have been advising them

Professor John Knapton, Newcastle University
"But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons (91,000 litres) of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire."

(inside a jet engine it even gets hotter while people are flying on them)

Once the steel frame on one floor had melted, it collapsed downwards, inflicting massive forces on the already-weakened floor below.

Science of collapse

From then on, the collapse became inevitable, as each new falling floor added to the downward forces.

Link Below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm

Think about this, the story was released 2 days after 9/11 while it bears a resemblance to the United States Government version of why the WTC towers fell. I guess they did not figure out or factor in why the molten steel removed from the WTC weeks after this story was written exceed the potential energy out put from the jet fuel theory. The facts on iron Melting Point: 1535.0 °C (1808.15 K, 2795.0 °F)

Jesse Hemingway

07-28-2007, 10:29 AM

Debunking 9/11 is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods," says Bill Christison, former senior official of the CIA.

Mr. Christison further indicates that, "This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen."

Besides demonstrating the pitiful failure of "Debunking 9/11 Myths" (published by Popular Mechanics and endorsed by Senator John McCain), Professor Griffin critically challenges recent reports and stories put out by the US Department of State, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the New York Times, Vanity Fair, and Time magazine.

Professor Griffin also responds to criticisms of these efforts by left-leaning and Christian publications -- which one might have expected to be supportive.

Throughout these critiques, Griffin shows that the charge that is regularly levelled against critics of the official theory -- that they employ irrational and unscientific methods to defend conclusions based on faith -- actually applies more fully to those who defend the official theory.

Link below:http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/03/22/former-cia-official-supports-professors-claim-that-official-911-conspiracy-is-false/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.agoracosmopolitan.com%2Fhome %2FFrontpage%2F2007%2F03%2F21%2F01412.html&frame=true

Jesse Hemingway

07-28-2007, 10:32 AM

What will your legacy be?

You created a knuckling dragging, goat herding, cave dwelling, and religious lunatic into the greatest military mind in all of history. Osama bin laden did more militarily then any general of all time, bin laden was involved in bringing down the Soviet Union at there greatest military potency. Then turned the leadership of the United States pentagon in to what resembles musical chairs at a child’s party. He turned the United States WAR COLLEGES into a play ground for no child left behind series. That is what George W. Bush legacy will be the greatest display of the definition, meaning of, allegory of what is meant by “opportunity cost” and a complete loss of the opportunity cost and the value placed on that loss is gone. The amount of resources lost by George W. Bush’s failures can never be regained to an economist this is the worst possible management failure there is, THE WORST!!!!!!

Jesse Hemingway

07-28-2007, 04:13 PM

And Then There Was One, The Final Holdout: 9-11
Reggie, Contributing Editor, TvNewsLIES.org

Not to worry, this is not about truth seekers or conspiracy theories. It’s not about the long list of anomalies and discrepancies in the official story of 9/11. It’s not even about the undeniable fact that the events of 9/11 gave George Bush and his handlers the keys to the neocon kingdom of empire. It really is not.

What it’s about is the strangest phenomenon I can recall in my entire adult life. It’s about what I perceive to be an extraordinary lapse in the logic of millions of otherwise sensible Americans. And it’s about something I cannot wrap my mind around, no matter how I try. Maybe someone out there can help me understand what’s going on.

In preface, let me also say that this is not about being uninformed. Granted, the corporate media have suppressed any discussion, debate or investigative reporting about the attacks on the United States that purportedly ‘changed everything.’ That reality aside, even the most fawn-like pundits on the airwaves understand that the ship of state is sinking, and that it is time to challenge the lies of this administration. But, it seems that lie after lie has become fair game for disclosure, or at least for some discussion at this point. As a result, each day, the American people in larger and larger numbers understand that they have been taken for a terrible and costly ride by the lies they were told by this President and his cohorts.

That is, every lie but one.

Link:http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/07/28/and_then_there_was_one_the_final_holdout_11?blog=7 &posts=25&c=1&more=1&title=and_then_there_was_one_the_final_holdout_11&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single

Jesse Hemingway

08-03-2007, 11:54 PM

For the fence sitters good story.

http://www.911weknow.com/images/stories/documents/peterzaza.pdf

disrupter

08-04-2007, 11:30 AM

There is no jumbo jet in the pentagon 911 video.

It is a pack of lies.

case closed.

Jesse Hemingway

08-12-2007, 01:50 PM

When ever I say 9/11 you will be hypnotized 3, 2, and 1
9/11

9/11

9/11

Jesse Hemingway

08-15-2007, 12:58 PM

The excerpts and link for the article below demonstrate that there are some genuinely subversive rightwing people in the United States. It may seem almost amusing that there is anybody in this country today that actually believes George W. Bush is doing such a great job that he ought to be permitted to proclaim himself 'President for Life' ... but we found one.

Not only that, but this fellow considers "Democracy ... the worst form of government." (Note that in the context of the article, the author is talking about what he perceives to be the problems that exist in our Republic today.)

This article was penned for an organization called 'Family Security Matters' -- you can read here what the Center for Media and Democracy says about this group. A quick glance at the other articles that Family Security Matters links to show that its primary purpose seems to be to promote FEAR as its primary principle for supporting further militarism, war, violence and essentially an all-powerful, authoritarian central government for the United States.

James Madison, father of the Constitution, warned us specifically about the impulses of folks like the author of this article ... we would be advised to remain vigilant:

"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other."

"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."

"The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad."

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

http://www.earthside.com/earthside/2007/08/bush-president-.html

Jesse Hemingway

08-15-2007, 03:49 PM

I would be more then happy to bring my humble real world experience in the Navy as a Combat Information Center (CIC) a supervisor. With years of real time experience during the cold war dealing with actual missiles threats NOT half ass trained highjackers, which would be giving the highjackers the benefit of doubt. Understand that I could be any where in the world and call in combat air support and have it with in two hours. I do understand that there are many people in the United States that do not understand that the East coast of the United States is the most protected air space in the world I will repeat that again the East coast of the United States is the most protected air space in the world. Just that hurdle alone makes the government’s version of 9/11 impossible to believe the contradictions of the physical science and the many anomalies surrounding all the crimes scenes that day is just an insult to the intelligence of the American public.

Let’s pretend and believe the United States version of happened on 9/11. Oh my F-ing-god that would mean everything the bush administration has been saying about AL-CIA-DA is a total LIE the moment after 9/11. If you read the 9/11 commission report the testimony by the STAR witness Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) there is a glaring hole in the facts. KSM testimony is the foundation of the government’s version of many of the facts surrounding 9/11 and United States government version totally rest on KSM testimony. That would mean that when KSM said there was only a couple hundred individuals trained by AL-CAI-DA that means the propaganda by the bush administration about AL-CIA-DA is total bull CHT following 9/11.

The United States government is hanging their hat on KSM testimony which means somebody is lying about many of facts on the endless war on terror. Please do not take my word on this matter, read KSM testimony at the 9/11 commission it’s fun learning just how dumb the united states government thinks you are.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/index.htm

Jesse Hemingway

08-18-2007, 02:25 PM

If you are serious about unearthing the truth about 9/11 this is a must read an excellent wealth of information a must have reference link:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

Jesse Hemingway

09-02-2007, 12:13 PM

Fundamentalists Christians and Sunni’s join up for old fashion Jihad
The Sunnis consider the Shiites a heretical doctrine then the Sunni lead Jihad directed by Osama bin laden, in unison with all the other Sunni countries can not be justifiable declaration of Islamic jihad. This would make perfect sense as to the involvement of the fundamentalist Christians and their inability to understand Jesus teachings to step into the disaster created by the bush administration all under the banner of their corrupted version of Christianity. Remember Dick Cheney's now famous 1994 statements about the reasons why they did not invade Iraq after the first gulf war when he was the secretary of defense. Cheney said it would split Iraq into three parts Kurdish, Sunni, and Shiites guess what, it sure would not be that way if the Sunnis are backing the United States play. The Kurds would take their region in the north they would be out of the picture leaving the Sunnis and the United States taking out the Shiites. The Sunnis could care less if the large oil companies received an 80% cut of Iraq's and Iran's oil it's not the Sunnis oil anyway and the Shiites are out of the picture. The 20% of Iraq's and Iran's oil revenue that the Sunni countries would receive is still a lot of money from something they do not own. I guess Islam is just as fraudulent as Christianity.

For the record Osama bin laden has been a CIA kept whore from day one the first World Trade Center (WTC) bombing all Sunnis 9/11 all Sunnis. Over half of all the foreign insurgents in Iraq are Sunnis killing Americans. The bush administration has always looked the other way and given a complete pass on all Sunnis involvement why is that?

http://www.atimes.co...

It is apparent that the in roads between Al-CIA-DA and the Ronald Reagan and George H. Bush administrations were expanding during the early 1980's and through that decade. The Reagan Bush administration had set the precedence of working way outside of the laws evident by the Iran Contra episode. This article below raises the questions just how far did the precursor of AL-CIA-DA operate within the United States unmolested without deep infiltration by United States Intelligence agencies. Of course to accept the present United States version of 9/11 these infrastructures set in motion by the Reagan Bush administration are never challenged

http://www.cooperati...

Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, bin Laden's mentor, creates an organization called Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK), known in English as the Services Office. It is also known as Al-Kifah. This organization will become a key node in the private funding network for the Afghan war. [New York Times, 1/14/2001] Donors will include the Saudi intelligence agency, the Saudi Red Crescent, the Muslim World League, and private donors, including Saudi princes. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/23/2001] MAK/Al-Kifah begins fundraising in the US one year later (see 1985-1989). CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Executive Director Nihad Awad was leader in the IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine). ISNA (Islamic Society of North America)affiliates, such as IAP and the MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association), hosted Abdullah Azzam and arranged his visits to Islamic centers throughout the United States. The purpose of Azzam's visits was to recruit and raise funds for American sponsored jihad warriors fighting the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. [New Republic, 2/27/2007]
Entity Tags: Abdullah Azzam, Maktab al-Khidamat

Timeline Tags: Western Support for Islamic Militancy, Complete 911 Timeline

http://www.cooperati...

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Jesse Hemingway

09-08-2007, 12:04 AM

This incident will reveal just which elected representatives are actually looking out for our security. The lost Nuclear weapons over the United States of America there were many violations of the Department of Defense (DoD) written regulations concerning transporting nuclear weapons. If the elected representatives do not get to the bottom of this incident and remove all the people in the chain of command that are listed below that were involved or not involved concerning this matter. Then we will all know just who's side they are on.

Department of Defense
DIRECTIVE
NUMBER 4540.5
February 4, 1998
Certified Current as of December 8, 2003
________________________________________
________________________________________
________________________________________
ATSD(NCB)
SUBJECT: Logistic Transportation of Nuclear Weapons
References: (a) DoD Directive 4540.5, "Movement of Nuclear Weapons by Noncombat Delivery Vehicles," June 14, 1978 (hereby canceled)
(b) Title 10, United States Code
(c) DoD 5025.1-M, "DoD Directives System Procedures," August 1994
(d) DoD Directive 3150.2, "DoD Nuclear Weapon System Safety Program," December 23, 1996
(e) through (h), see enclosure 1

1. REISSUANCE AND PURPOSE
This Directive:
1.1. Reissues reference (a) to update policy and responsibilities for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons under reference (b).
1.2. Authorizes the publication of the "DoD Nuclear Weapon Transportation Manual," consistent with reference (c), to provide guidance for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons.
1.3. Integrates DoD policy and responsibilities for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons with the safety requirements in reference (d), the security requirements in references (e) through (g), and the use control requirements in reference (h).

2. APPLICABILITY AND SCOPE
This Directive:
2.1. Applies to the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), the Military Departments, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Combatant Commands, and the Defense Agencies (hereafter referred to collectively as "the DoD Components").
2.2. Does not apply to the transport of nuclear weapon limited-life components.

3. DEFINITIONS
Terms used in this Directive are defined in enclosure 2.

4. POLICY
It is DoD policy that:
4.1. Nuclear weapons require special consideration because of their political and military importance and the potential consequences of an accident, incident, or unauthorized act.
4.2. The DoD Components shall take precautions to ensure that a nuclear weapon movement has minimal impact on public health, safety, and the environment.
4.3. DoD nuclear weapon system safety policy, DoD nuclear weapon system safety standards, and DoD nuclear weapon security policy and criteria shall apply to nuclear weapon transport operations.
4.4. Nuclear weapon movements shall be kept to the minimum consistent with military requirements.
4.5. Nuclear weapon transportation operations shall be conducted through the transportation modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements.
4.6. The movement by air of nuclear weapons that contain high explosives other than insensitive high explosives (IHE) should be approved by the Secretary of the Military Department or a Commander of a Combatant Command, or their delegated commanders.
4.7. Procedures, equipment, and facilities involved in the transport of nuclear weapons shall be certified for such transport.
4.8. Personnel and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons shall be trained and certified for the activities they perform.
4.9. U.S. custody of nuclear weapons shall be maintained at all times during logistic movements. That requirement shall not be waived.
4.10. A commander may deviate from logistic transport policy when the loss of a weapon's custody is imminent or when the weapon may be exposed to an abnormal environment.
4.11. In areas outside the continental United States, command-disable procedures shall be used if loss of the weapon is imminent.

5. RESPONSIBILITIES
5.1. The Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Nuclear and Chemical and Biological Defense Programs, under the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, shall:
5.1.1. Be responsible for policy and technical matters associated with the transportation of nuclear weapons.
5.1.2. Serve as the DoD principal point of contact for nuclear weapon transportation matters with the DoD Components, the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of State, the Joint Nuclear Weapons Council, and other Government Agencies.
5.1.3. Ensure that the Director, Defense Special Weapons Agency, shall:
5.1.3.1. Provide technical support, advice, and assistance to the DoD Components on the transport of nuclear weapons, when requested.
5.1.3.2. Serve as the logistic transport coordinator between the DoD Components for inter-command movements and between the Department of Defense and the DoE.
5.1.3.3. Conduct safety and security assessments on nuclear weapon transportation, when requested.
5.2. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shall:
5.2.1. Coordinate directly with the DoD Components on nuclear weapon transportation matters.
5.2.2. Ensure that nuclear weapons technical inspections examine nuclear weapon transport operations.
5.2.3. Establish procedures for the maintenance of accountability during nuclear weapon transport operations.
5.2.4. Prescribe the reporting procedures to be used when nuclear weapons are transported.
5.3. The Secretaries of the Military Departments shall:
5.3.1. Implement DoD nuclear weapon transportation policies.
5.3.2. Develop procedures for the transport of nuclear weapons.
5.3.3. Evaluate, authorize, and approve the transport modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements for nuclear weapons in their custody.
5.3.4. Conduct assessments of nuclear weapon transport operations, as necessary.
5.3.5. Approve all movements conducted by air of nuclear weapons in their custody that contain high explosives other than IHE. Approval authority may be delegated to commanders of major Service commands.
5.3.6. Ensure that procedures, equipment, facilities, and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are certified for that purpose.
5.3.7. Ensure that personnel involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are applicably trained.
5.4. The Secretary of the Air Force shall maintain a Prime Nuclear Airlift Force capability to conduct the logistic transport of nuclear weapons.
5.5. The Commanders of the Combatant Commands shall:
5.5.1. Implement DoD nuclear weapon transportation policies.
5.5.2. Develop procedures, as required for their area of operations, for the transport of nuclear weapons.
5.5.3. Evaluate, authorize, and approve the transport modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements for nuclear weapons in their custody.
5.5.4. Conduct assessments of nuclear weapon transport operations, as necessary.
5.5.5. Approve all movements conducted by air of nuclear weapons in their custody that contain high explosives other than IHE. Approval authority may be delegated to Service component commanders.
5.5.6. Ensure that procedures, equipment, facilities, and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are certified for such transport.
5.5.7. Ensure that personnel involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are applicably trained.

6. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Directive is effective immediately.

Enclosures - 2
E1. References, continued
E2. Definitions

Jesse Hemingway

09-11-2007, 10:41 AM

The most interesting thing is how did George W. Bush know the video existed at that time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&eurl=http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4864

Bush Caught in a Lie
About the 9/11 WTC Attacks

President Bush has stated on two occasions that he saw a plane hit World Trade Center 1:

Occasion 1:
President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting
[CNN, Aired December 4, 2001]
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

RealMedia video download of comment

Occasion 2:
President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
[whitehouse.gov, January 5, 2002]

"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..." [whitehouse.gov]

WMA download of comment

There is a problem with the above statements. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of the first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit World Trade Center 2.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html

Bush Saw The First Plane Hit The WTC On TV????
URGENT: FORWARD THIS AND CHECK OUT THE LINKS BEFORE THEY DISAPPEAR FROM THE INTERNET!!!

BUSH CONTRADICTS HIS OWN STORY WITH A STATEMENT THAT HE SAW THE FIRST PLANE HIT THE TOWER ON TV!!!!

«And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."» G. W. Bush

PLEASE ALSO READ ERIC'S COMMENTS BELOW!!
Confirmation of Bush's comments at:

www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,612354,00.html

Video of statement below:

http://terrorpets.com/index.php?option=com_bookmarks&Itemid=1&task=detail&id=555

Jesse Hemingway

09-17-2007, 01:15 AM

The Day Democracy Died:
May 1, 1960

By: Jesse Hemingway

I would like to recognize Francis Gary Powers and give him a tribute for his courage and patriotism. He was just another American and became just another of countless causality at the hands of elements, cabal, and factions which currently exist in the United States government. These groups are still able to conceal their existence; any person attempting to draw attention to the possibility of these elements is deemed a conspiracy theorist, tin-foil hat, and part of the black helicopter crowd. On May 1, 1960, an oversight occurred due to the arrogance of two individuals, Allen Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and Richard Bissell, the second in charge at the CIA. This catastrophe was completely white-washed by President Dwight Eisenhower, as he took full responsibility for the U-2 incident of May 1, 1960. The truth behind the situation is unveiled in “Memorandum for Record”, written by A. J. Goodpastor, President Eisenhower’s staff secretary; this memo was dated April 25, 1960, and classified top secret.

“After checking with the President, I informed. Mr. Bissell that one additional operation may be under taken, provided it is carried out prior to May1. No operation is to be carried out after May 1.
A. J. Goodpastor”

Reference:http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/U2Incident/MemoforRecordbyAndrewGoodpaster42560.pdf

President Eisenhower taking the responsibility for the actions of Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell is a leadership style. Allen Dulles or Richard Bissell went against a clearly expressed order and violated national security by ordering the U-2 flight on May 1, 1960. This is a classical syllogism; Eisenhower took responsibility for the calamity, although, he did not take responsibility for the actions of Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell and the direct violation of the written no U-2 flights order. Now, this becomes a precedent once achieved.

Individuals that successfully infiltrate the United States government then capitalize on their positions, destroying the trust of Americans in a boldly cavalier fashion. These actions benefit an elite group of individuals and corporations that share similar political philosophies and greatly decreasing the United States national security. The United States’ resources become a tool for the cabals’ gains. The fact that Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell were the only ones that could have ordered that fateful flight on May 1, 1960, proves that they should not have been trusted for their transparent deception. Oddly, Allen Dulles was chosen to be a member of the Warren Commission.

Information currently available, coupled with logic, lead a sensible individual to think that when Allen Dulles or Richard Bissell ordered the U-2 flight, they may also sabotaged the plane, ensuring it would not make the entire flight across the Soviet Union. L. Fletcher Prouty, in his book, Over Flight, documents that U-2 aircrafts where in a stand-down mode during this time frame and raises the fact that sabotage may have occurred to that specific flight.

Francis Gary Powers was just a pawn, like the many thousands of naïve Americans in the cabals scheme. In cabals’ view of the United States of America they look at all Americans as their chattel. These insidious elements still exist with in the current United States Government. On March 17, 1960, approximately thirty-nine days prior to A. J. Goodpastor’s April 25, 1960 Memo, Allen Dulles was directed to initiate an invasion of Cuba, dubbed the Bay of Pigs, and received an initial budget of $4,400,000. With a payday like that, a prolongation of world hostilities would become extremely profitable business. The Bay of Pigs disaster would require the next President, John F. Kennedy, to take the blame of another possible internally sabotaged operation by the cabal. There are a variety of interesting indications that George H. Bush’s business was involved with the Bay of Pigs.

President Dwight Eisenhower, during his farewell speech, warned the world of the military-industrial complex. Eisenhower knew the danger well, having a first hand experience with this cabal on May 1, 1960. John F. Kennedy’s assassination, over 58,000 American deaths in Vietnam, millions of murdered Vietnamese, the casualties of the First Gulf War, the innocent victims of 9/11, and the current War on Terror are all examples of this power of the military-industrial complex. Eisenhower was wise enough to put his order in writing, the order for no more U-2 flights. You can not take the blame for an order you gave in writing. Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell are the root cause of that incident of May 1, 1960; unfortunately, there is a group of individuals in the United States government, at this moment, that are more then capable and willing to destroy our country for their personal gains. It has happened before!

Below are links to sift through allowing the reader to develop their own concepts of the events that occurred during that time frame in history. Myself I see enough facts that indicate that elements do exist with in the United States government to direct the United States Resources to benefit their concerns.
http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/U2Incident/u2documents.html
http://www.prouty.org/sabotage.html
http://www.shafr.org/newsletter/2002/sep/covert.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/doc_u2/frus_x1_147.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Allen_Dulles
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=allen+dulles+u-2+flight&fr=yfp-t-471&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/diplomacy/2006/12/robert_gates_se.html
http://www.coldwar.org/pictures/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB74/U2-06.pdf
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=george+h+bush+bay+of+pigs&fr=yfp-t-471&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://area51specialprojects.com/u2_mayday.html

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=A+Program+of+Covert+Action+against+the+Ca stro+Regime.%22&fr=yfp-t-471&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,895886-1,00.html

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/francisg.htm

Jesse Hemingway

09-23-2007, 07:34 PM

...Who says A must say B.. Who does A must do B...

Anybody with an I.Q. of room temperature can figure out that 9/11 was an inside job. The greatest hurdle to over come in my opinion is to factually state a precedence that there are elements within the government that intend undermine the national security for political and finical gains. The mistakes made by Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell prove that these individuals exist. They were the only two people that could have order that flight.

With this information the 9/11 truth movement can say factually these people are real and are functioning in the United States government. There is no wiggle room; it's almost obnoxious this glaring bungled chain of events Eisenhower became immersed into by Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell.

The bonus to this precise incident, is that George H. Bush is only 1 or at the maximum 2 degrees separation from Allen Dulles. The Bay of Pigs operation had received its initial funding 6 weeks prior (March 17, 1960) to May 1, 1960 U-2 flight.

Jesse Hemingway

09-24-2007, 08:50 AM

Missteps in the Bunker
By Joby Warrick and Walter Pincus
The Washington Post

Sunday 23 September 2007

Just after 9 a.m. on Aug. 29, a group of U.S. airmen entered a sod-covered bunker on North Dakota's Minot Air Force Base with orders to collect a set of unarmed cruise missiles bound for a weapons graveyard. They quickly pulled out a dozen cylinders, all of which appeared identical from a cursory glance, and hauled them along Bomber Boulevard to a waiting B-52 bomber.

The airmen attached the gray missiles to the plane's wings, six on each side. After eyeballing the missiles on the right side, a flight officer signed a manifest that listed a dozen unarmed AGM-129 missiles. The officer did not notice that the six on the left contained nuclear warheads, each with the destructive power of up to 10 Hiroshima bombs.

That detail would escape notice for an astounding 36 hours, during which the missiles were flown across the country to a Louisiana air base that had no idea nuclear warheads were coming. It was the first known flight by a nuclear-armed bomber over U.S. airspace, without special high-level authorization, in nearly 40 years.

The episode, serious enough to trigger a rare "Bent Spear" nuclear incident report that raced through the chain of command to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and President Bush, provoked new questions inside and outside the Pentagon about the adequacy of U.S. nuclear weapons safeguards while the military's attention and resources are devoted to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Three weeks after word of the incident leaked to the public, new details obtained by The Washington Post point to security failures at multiple levels in North Dakota and Louisiana, according to interviews with current and former U.S. officials briefed on the initial results of an Air Force investigation of the incident.

The warheads were attached to the plane in Minot without special guard for more than 15 hours, and they remained on the plane in Louisiana for nearly nine hours more before being discovered. In total, the warheads slipped from the Air Force's nuclear safety net for more than a day without anyone's knowledge.

"I have been in the nuclear business since 1966 and am not aware of any incident more disturbing," retired Air Force Gen. Eugene Habiger, who served as U.S. Strategic Command chief from 1996 to 1998, said in an interview.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092307C.shtml

Department of Defense
DIRECTIVE
NUMBER 4540.5
February 4, 1998
Certified Current as of December 8, 2003
________________________________________
________________________________________
________________________________________
ATSD(NCB)
SUBJECT: Logistic Transportation of Nuclear Weapons
References: (a) DoD Directive 4540.5, "Movement of Nuclear Weapons by Noncombat Delivery Vehicles," June 14, 1978 (hereby canceled)
(b) Title 10, United States Code
(c) DoD 5025.1-M, "DoD Directives System Procedures," August 1994
(d) DoD Directive 3150.2, "DoD Nuclear Weapon System Safety Program," December 23, 1996
(e) through (h), see enclosure 1

1. REISSUANCE AND PURPOSE
This Directive:
1.1. Reissues reference (a) to update policy and responsibilities for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons under reference (b).
1.2. Authorizes the publication of the "DoD Nuclear Weapon Transportation Manual," consistent with reference (c), to provide guidance for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons.
1.3. Integrates DoD policy and responsibilities for the logistic transport of nuclear weapons with the safety requirements in reference (d), the security requirements in references (e) through (g), and the use control requirements in reference (h).

2. APPLICABILITY AND SCOPE
This Directive:
2.1. Applies to the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), the Military Departments, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Combatant Commands, and the Defense Agencies (hereafter referred to collectively as "the DoD Components").
2.2. Does not apply to the transport of nuclear weapon limited-life components.

3. DEFINITIONS
Terms used in this Directive are defined in enclosure 2.

4. POLICY
It is DoD policy that:
4.1. Nuclear weapons require special consideration because of their political and military importance and the potential consequences of an accident, incident, or unauthorized act.
4.2. The DoD Components shall take precautions to ensure that a nuclear weapon movement has minimal impact on public health, safety, and the environment.
4.3. DoD nuclear weapon system safety policy, DoD nuclear weapon system safety standards, and DoD nuclear weapon security policy and criteria shall apply to nuclear weapon transport operations.
4.4. Nuclear weapon movements shall be kept to the minimum consistent with military requirements.
4.5. Nuclear weapon transportation operations shall be conducted through the transportation modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements.
4.6. The movement by air of nuclear weapons that contain high explosives other than insensitive high explosives (IHE) should be approved by the Secretary of the Military Department or a Commander of a Combatant Command, or their delegated commanders.
4.7. Procedures, equipment, and facilities involved in the transport of nuclear weapons shall be certified for such transport.
4.8. Personnel and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons shall be trained and certified for the activities they perform.
4.9. U.S. custody of nuclear weapons shall be maintained at all times during logistic movements. That requirement shall not be waived.
4.10. A commander may deviate from logistic transport policy when the loss of a weapon's custody is imminent or when the weapon may be exposed to an abnormal environment.
4.11. In areas outside the continental United States, command-disable procedures shall be used if loss of the weapon is imminent.

5. RESPONSIBILITIES
5.1. The Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Nuclear and Chemical and Biological Defense Programs, under the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, shall:
5.1.1. Be responsible for policy and technical matters associated with the transportation of nuclear weapons.
5.1.2. Serve as the DoD principal point of contact for nuclear weapon transportation matters with the DoD Components, the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of State, the Joint Nuclear Weapons Council, and other Government Agencies.
5.1.3. Ensure that the Director, Defense Special Weapons Agency, shall:
5.1.3.1. Provide technical support, advice, and assistance to the DoD Components on the transport of nuclear weapons, when requested.
5.1.3.2. Serve as the logistic transport coordinator between the DoD Components for inter-command movements and between the Department of Defense and the DoE.
5.1.3.3. Conduct safety and security assessments on nuclear weapon transportation, when requested.
5.2. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shall:
5.2.1. Coordinate directly with the DoD Components on nuclear weapon transportation matters.
5.2.2. Ensure that nuclear weapons technical inspections examine nuclear weapon transport operations.
5.2.3. Establish procedures for the maintenance of accountability during nuclear weapon transport operations.
5.2.4. Prescribe the reporting procedures to be used when nuclear weapons are transported.
5.3. The Secretaries of the Military Departments shall:
5.3.1. Implement DoD nuclear weapon transportation policies.
5.3.2. Develop procedures for the transport of nuclear weapons.
5.3.3. Evaluate, authorize, and approve the transport modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements for nuclear weapons in their custody.
5.3.4. Conduct assessments of nuclear weapon transport operations, as necessary.
5.3.5. Approve all movements conducted by air of nuclear weapons in their custody that contain high explosives other than IHE. Approval authority may be delegated to commanders of major Service commands.
5.3.6. Ensure that procedures, equipment, facilities, and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are certified for that purpose.
5.3.7. Ensure that personnel involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are applicably trained.
5.4. The Secretary of the Air Force shall maintain a Prime Nuclear Airlift Force capability to conduct the logistic transport of nuclear weapons.
5.5. The Commanders of the Combatant Commands shall:
5.5.1. Implement DoD nuclear weapon transportation policies.
5.5.2. Develop procedures, as required for their area of operations, for the transport of nuclear weapons.
5.5.3. Evaluate, authorize, and approve the transport modes and movement routes that balance safety, security, and military requirements for nuclear weapons in their custody.
5.5.4. Conduct assessments of nuclear weapon transport operations, as necessary.
5.5.5. Approve all movements conducted by air of nuclear weapons in their custody that contain high explosives other than IHE. Approval authority may be delegated to Service component commanders.
5.5.6. Ensure that procedures, equipment, facilities, and organizations involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are certified for such transport.
5.5.7. Ensure that personnel involved in the transport of nuclear weapons are applicably trained.

6. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Directive is effective immediately.

Enclosures - 2
E1. References, continued
E2. Definitions

Jesse Hemingway

09-29-2007, 07:19 PM

The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity

by Vincent Sammartino – WING TV.com

As everyone who is involved in exposing the 9-11 cover-up knows, nothing concerning 9-11 is as it seems. Whether it's the magic jet that our government told us crashed into the Pentagon, the obvious missing jet at Shanksville (Flight 93), the three perfect demolitions of the World Trade Center towers, or the fact that Arab hijackers are still alive and their supposed ring leader Osama bin Laden has the ability to change his facial features at will. Nothing, I repeat, nothing about the government/controlled media version of 9-11 makes any sense.

So, let's get one thing straight and out of the way right now. There are no such things as physical inconsistencies in the world we live in. We can always depend on the laws of physics to be consistent and unchanging. Coincidence is a self-contained human concept; and the real world - the atoms, molecules and planets that whiz around - don't care if you understand them. Likewise, they aren't concerned if their movement happens to favor you or not. I say this because, as Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani know (WING TV), this is the key to understanding what is real and what is contrived.

With that said, let me go back to sometime in February, 2004. At that time I had pretty much figured out that what had happened at the Pentagon and the WTC was a lie. I was still toying with the idea, though, that maybe (just maybe) our government had shot down Flight 93 in Shanksville in order to protect us from the real terrorists.

Then a few websites started to pop-up showing videos of what appeared to be a "pod" under Flight 175, along with an unexplained flash that happened just before the jet hit the South Tower. To me, this was just as damning as the Pentagon and the WTC collapses. There is no good reason for us to be seeing what we saw if the official government story was true. Think about this point for a minute. If what we saw was just an anomaly, then there must be millions of photos/videos of 757s taking off and landing at airports all over the world that look JUST LIKE THAT! If anybody has any jet photo anomalies they would like to share with us, please send them to Victor and Lisa at WING TV so we can clear this stuff up.

Which brings me to Ellen Mariani: she’s the woman who lost her husband Louis on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower on 9-11. With the help of a lawyer named Phil Berg, she filed a lawsuit against President Bush and company under the RICO act. Also, she refused to take the hush money that was offered to her under the 9-11 Victims Compensation fund.

In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.

I listened to this show over and over again and couldn't believe what she had just said. Everything came together at this point. That’s when it dawned on me that not only had our government lied about the physics of 9-11; they may very well have taken it one step farther by faking the number of people that died that day. I believed what she and Mr. Berg had just said. Nothing about 9-11 made any sense. Why should it start now?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199

Jesse Hemingway

09-29-2007, 07:26 PM

Important information in this post was provided by Michael Ravnitzky, a Washington lawyer and journalist who specializes in Freedom of Information Act issues.

Citing public safety and other concerns, the federal agency responsible for investigating the World Trade Center collapses is preventing outside experts from reviewing an important computer simulation.

Ala Tabiei, a professor at Cincinnati University with advanced degrees in aeronautical and aerospace engineering, asked the National Institute for Standards and Technology for a copy of the LS-DYNA input file for the airplane models used in the twin tower computer simulation.

NIST denied the request of Tabiei, a specialist in impact simulations, on the basis that publication of NIST's mathematical model could jeopardize public safety. NIST staff members had also opposed release of the data because their method was said to incorporate proprietary information. However, Tabiei wasn't given the option of asking the cooperation of whatever firm might have supplied a proprietary algorithm.

The NIST transferred the six files to a secure location under control of its Building and Fire Research Laboratory.

No response has been received to an email query sent to Tabiei.

The NIST has also made it difficult for other FOIA requesters to obtain data. One tack is to require fees that most people are unlikely to be able to meet and to refuse fee waivers. Another obstruction is to decline to release photographic or other data concerning World Trade Center 7 on the ground that that investigation is continuing.

Whether justified or not, the NIST's decision to withhold experiment protocols means that its study lacks merit in the scientific community. Important NIST conclusions are simply unsubstantiated.

Another researcher, Chris Sarns, was denied access to photos of the east half of the south side of World Trade Center 7, the 47-story building housing the CIA's New York station which collapsed suddenly and swiftly at 5:20 p.m. Sept. 11. His request was denied on the ground that the WTC7 investigation hasn't been completed.

But the government had released photos taken on Sept. 11 of three-and-a-half sides of the still-standing building, Sarns noted. "How can they justify" releasing those photos while withholding "photos of the initiating event?"

Sarns, who is not an academic, wanted to see the evidence for a claimed "10-story gouge" of WTC7, as mentioned in an interim NIST report found at

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

The claim that the "middle 1/4 to 1/3 width of the south face was gouged out from floor 10 to ground" would go a long way toward substantiating the government's provisional conjecture that the building had been so badly weakened that fire damage could have been "the last straw" that initiated collapse. But that report is noncommital about structural damage, saying the area of the supposed gouge had been obscured by smoke and posits fire as the key to the collapse.

At any rate, in 2005 the NIST decoupled the WTC7 probe from the probes of the twin tower collapses because the WTC7 probe ran into very tricky problems in explaining collapse.

Sarns believes that the evidence for the "10-story gouge" was a misinterpretation of the actual damage, noting that in official accounts witnesses observed "no heavy damage in the lobby area as the building was exited" and that primarily white dust and loose wires were observed in WTC7's lobby following the twin tower collapses. Another account found that the atrium glass between ground level and the fifth floor was intact.

Such light damage seems inconsistent with a 10-story gouge, Sarns believes.

Sarns cites these statements in the Federal Emergency Management Agency report on WTC7:

According to the account of a firefighter who walked the 9th floor along the south side following the collapse of WTC1, the only damage to the ninth-floor facade occurred at the southwest corner.

When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors...

How could the fireman have failed to notice or mention a 10-story gouge that affected between a third and a fourth of the width of the face? asks Sarns.

Photos purporting to show the gouge have shown up on the internet but their authenticity cannot be established. The NIST has said photographic evidence was lacking.

http://911science.blogspot.com/

Jesse Hemingway

09-29-2007, 08:09 PM

9/11 The biggest F$KKK up in American history by the biggest F$kkk up in American History george w.bush is a two fer!!!

asroc

09-29-2007, 08:31 PM

you realize that nobody bothers to read any of this, right?

Jesse Hemingway

09-29-2007, 08:59 PM

you realize that nobody bothers to read any of this, right?
Ok ASS-ROCKET just 14.43 views a day

asroc

09-29-2007, 09:02 PM

So what, I probably racked up 3-4 of those views and I certainly didn't read any of it.

Jesse Hemingway

09-29-2007, 09:07 PM

So what, I probably racked up 3-4 of those views and I certainly didn't read any of it.
That's fine you should not waste your time thanks for your input.

asroc

09-29-2007, 09:36 PM

I just find it curious why people bother to paste stuff in a neverending torrent if nobody ever gives positive feedback

Linkster

09-30-2007, 08:12 AM

some of us are interested in reading this and its a good way to keep a concise one-thread area for it

Jesse Hemingway

10-03-2007, 11:09 PM

Zwicker offers theories on Sept. 11 tragedy
By WARD HOLLAND
Saturday, September 8, 2007

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Barrie Zwicker was certainly the centre of attention on Friday night.
Thunder Bay residents packed a lecture hall at Lakehead University‘s Advanced Technology & Academic Centre to listen to the 9/11 theorist and author.
Zwicker told the audience he believed that the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were orchestrated by the George W. Bush administration.
“Nine-eleven was an inside job, planned and executed at the level of the White House,” he told the audience Friday.
After listening to Zwicker speak and give a Power Point presentation for more than an hour, members of the audience asked him several questions.
Chris Roy, an LU Radio show host, asked Zwicker what he thought of Michael Moore‘s film “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Zwicker said he admired Moore, but he evaded the very subject of 9/11. “I found it disappointing too, but still well worthwhile,” he said.
Another LU Radio disc jockey, Cameron Willis, asked why this whole topic of 9/11 mattered so much since more awful things have happened, such as the deaths in Iraq.

http://www.chroniclejournal.com/stories.php?id=63541

Jesse Hemingway

10-03-2007, 11:24 PM

FYI:

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/LeggeConspiracy&Myth7b.pdf

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/ManwellFaultyTowersofBeliefPartII.pdf

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/GrabbeExplosionsEvidence.pdf

http://journalof911studies.com/letters/b/PalastApologizestoDrJones.pdf

9/11 - the big cover-up?

Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was 'far from the truth'.
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Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;
and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_tatchell/2007/09/911_the_big_coverup.html

To research and to disseminate the truth
of the 9/11 “collapses” of all 3 WTC high-rise buildings
to every architect and engineer

Why are Architects and Engineers Re-examining the WTC Collapses?

Architects and Engineers are trained to design buildings that function well and withstand potentially destructive forces. However, the 3 high-rise buildings at the World Trade Center which "collapsed" on 9/11 (the Twin Towers plus WTC Building #7) presented us with a body evidence (i.e.controlled demolition) that was clearly outside the scope of our training and experience.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Jesse Hemingway

10-11-2007, 10:05 PM

Qwest was targeted

By Sara Burnett And Jeff Smith, Rocky Mountain News

October 11, 2007

The National Security Agency and other government agencies retaliated against Qwest because the Denver telco refused to go along with a phone spying program, documents released Wednesday suggest.
The documents indicate that likely would have been at the heart of former CEO Joe Nacchio's so-called "classified information" defense at his insider trading trial, had he been allowed to present it.

The secret contracts - worth hundreds of millions of dollars - made Nacchio optimistic about Qwest's future, even as his staff was warning him the company might not make its numbers, Nacchio's defense attorneys have maintained. But Nacchio didn't present that argument at trial.

The documents suggest U.S. District Judge Edward Nottingham refused to allow Nacchio to present the argument about retaliation. Nottingham also said Nacchio would have to take the stand to raise the classified defense.

Prosecutors have said they were prepared to poke holes in Nacchio's classified defense.

Nacchio was convicted last spring on 19 counts of insider trading for $52 million of stock sales in April and May 2001, and sentenced to six years in prison. He's free pending appeal.

The partially redacted documents were filed under seal before, during and after Nacchio's trial. They were released Wednesday.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/tech/article/0,2777,DRMN_23910_5719566,00.html

Qwest CEO's 'classified defense' raises question on NSA surveillance Nick Juliano
Published: Friday October 12, 2007

A former CEO who stood up to the Bush administration's demands that he assist in the warrantless surveillance of Americans suggests in court documents that the National Security Agency withdrew a lucrative contract in retaliation for his refusal.

Documents released as part of Qwest CEO Joe Nacchio's insider trading trail also seem to indicate that the NSA was discussing the secretive, possibly illegal, surveillance of Americans several months before the 9/11 attacks President Bush used to justify the program.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Qwest_CEOs_classified_defense_raises_question_1012 .html

Lovelynice

10-13-2007, 09:16 PM

Ok ASS-ROCKET just 14.43 views a day

Which is actually a lot for this site. :)

paulm

10-13-2007, 11:06 PM

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:15 AM

Going in Search of Planes in NYC
Andrew Johnson ( ad.johnson@ntlworld.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )

Oct 2007

Based on a report which contains
Contributions by

Morgan Reynolds s Russ Gerst s Jeff Strahl
CB Brooklyn s Cathy Palmer

(Audio Discussion of this artcle with Prof Jim Fetzer Here)

Listening to Those Who Were There
As we continue to delve into what happened on Sept 11 2001, we seem to be uncovering more evidence that some very strange things were happening near and at the World Trade Center in New York City when the towers were destroyed.

A re-examination of videos of the plane crashes and both the actual destruction of the towers and the aftermath seems to strongly suggest or even prove that (a) unconventional weaponry destroyed the towers and (b) the stories of large planes hitting the towers are bogus. For (a) one can simply ask “Where did the building go?” (and no, it wasn’t “into the basements”). For (b) one can simply ask “How can a hollow tube made of light materials cut through multiple steel girders, with little or no deceleration?”

A repeated pondering of the answers to questions (a) and (b) can lead on to a re-examination of other data about 9/11. Such a re-examination of existing data was proposed by Attorney Jerry Leaphart, in September 2007. Jerry brought to our attention the accounts / “oral histories” as given by over 500 Emergency Service “First Responders” to the 9/11 Tragedy, as posted on the New York Times Website, at the link given below.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

These accounts were published on 12th August 2005. Jerry originally tasked us with analysing the accounts of the responders to see what was contained in their accounts of 9/11 about seeing the plane crashes – particularly the 2nd one. We therefore shared our findings and they are discussed in the report linked at the end of this article.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:23 AM

The purpose of this page is to empower the reader. Our culture has been conditioning us to not think and to accept what we are told without question. ("The dumbing down of America.") To overcome this, we need to think for ourselves. Who is and isn't an OP is for each of us to figure out for ourselves. We must figure it out for ourselves. Giving any entity (government official, media...) complete trust in "doing the right thing" is how we got here. The psyops of 9/11 worked because large numbers of people refused to question what they were told. In essence, having blind faith in our media is what enabled 9/11. The way to reverse it is for us to learn to question everything and everyone.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/short/troll.html#important

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:33 AM

Reading between the lines reveals more evidence behind the use of DEW on 9/11 and advances scientific understanding of what happened

This began as "Dr. Greg Jenkins' Surprise 'Interview' of Prof. Judy Wood: a Transcript Analysis," with a transcription by Andrew Lowe Watson, and with added pictures & comments. Many thanks to Andrew for taking the time to see what was actually in this video and for sharing the text of the transcript with us. Also, we wish to thank Greg Jenkins for the valuable clues he gave us in advancing our understanding of the effects of DEW (Directed Energy Weapons).
(last updated: 10 April 2007)

http://drjudywood.com/articles/transcript/Jenkins_transcript.html

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:34 AM

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/ProfScottWhyCheneyMustTestify.pdf

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:51 AM

I guess I could say that I 'paid my dues' researching this topic and there was one thing I missed...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

If you don't believe it... that's fine with me, but in a couple of short paragraphs the author explains A LOT

Ed Haas

Administrative remedy with NIST denied

September 14, 2007 – A conflict of interest is defined as a real or potential conflict between private / professional / political interests and official responsibilities of a government employee, government agency, and / or sub-contractors under government contract that occurs when a situation arises in which there is a divergence between personal, professional, or political interests and the obligations to the public, such that an impartial observer might reasonably question whether the actions and decisions, or lack of actions and decisions, taken by the government employee, government agency, and / or sub-contractors under government contract related to the situation would be influenced by consideration of the government employees’, government agencies’, and / or sub-contractors’ private, professional, or political interests.

http://muckrakerreport.com/id506.html

Jesse Hemingway

10-14-2007, 02:56 AM

9/11 - the big cover-up?
Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was 'far from the truth'.
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Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;
and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_tatchell/2007/09/911_the_big_coverup.html

Jesse Hemingway

10-16-2007, 10:44 AM

Constitutional scholar: 9/11 'highly convenient' in allowing Bush to expand power David Edwards and Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday October 16, 2007
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A constitutional scholar says President Bush and his administration were working to expand their spy powers months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, which provided a "highly convenient" opportunity to dramatically strengthen law enforcement and surveillance authority.

"This administration was seeking a massive expansion of presidential power and national security powers before 9/11. 9/11 was highly convenient in that case," George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Keith Olbermann on Countdown Monday night. "I'm not saying that they welcomed it, but when it happened, it was a great opportunity to seize powers that they have long wanted at the FBI."

Turley was responding to allegations aired last week by a former Qwest CEO that the National Security Agency approached telecoms as early as February 2001 about establishing secret mechanisms to spy on Americans. The former CEO, Joe Nacchio, said in court papers related to an insider trading conviction that the government withdrew lucrative contracts from his company after he raised legal objections to the proposed spy program.

Earlier in the program, Olbermann invoked recent reports that the Pentagon used the FBI to issue secret national security letters allowing access to reams of data on Americans with even slim connections to the military.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Jonathan_Turley_911_was_highly_convenient_1016.htm l

Jesse Hemingway

10-17-2007, 10:33 AM

Scholars and Family Members Submit Request for Correction to 9/11 NIST Report

Gaps and inconsistencies reveal fundamental flaws in NIST's building collapse analyses

Berkeley, CA (PRWEB) April 14, 2007 -- A group of scientists, researchers and 9/11 family members challenging the official reports of the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11/01 has filed a Request for Correction (RFC) with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

The Request asserts that the NIST Final Report violates information quality standards, draws inferences that are inconsistent with its own computer simulations and physical tests, and exhibits a significant bias toward a preordained conclusion while ignoring available evidence contrary to it. The Request also says that if this bias is corrected, the NIST simulation clearly indicates that the Towers should not have collapsed due to plane damage and fire. The obvious alternative, which the group says should have been studied by NIST, is explosive demolition.

The group submitting the Request includes 9/11 family members Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle, physicist Steven E. Jones, former UL manager, Kevin Ryan, architect Richard Gage, AIA, and the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070414135246210

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/RFCtoNISTbyMcIlvaineDoyleJonesRyanGageSTJ.pdf

Jesse Hemingway

10-19-2007, 12:41 AM

Former UN Official: US blocked certification that Iraq had no WMDs in 1990s
By Alex Lantier
18 October 2007

In an interview with journalist Andrew Cockburn, former UN official Rolf Ekeus revealed that in 1997, the US acted to prevent UN officials from certifying that Iraq had complied with UN resolutions demanding that it destroy its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and infrastructure.

Ekeus headed the UN Special Commission (Unscom), which inspected Iraqi weapons facilities from 1991 to 1999. Ekeus told Cockburn that in March 1997, “I was getting close to certifying that Iraq was in compliance with [UN] Resolution 687.” The resolution, adopted in 1991, listed the obligations imposed on Iraq after the US-led Persian Gulf War. It required Iraq to destroy all its chemical and biological weapons and related stocks, all ballistic missiles with a range of over 150 km and to place all its nuclear-usable material in the hands of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Though Ekeus did not say it, the inescapable conclusion is that UN officials knew the US-led hysteria over Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was a pack of lies. This information provides further proof of the premeditated and illegal character of the Iraq war.

Cockburn notes that “US officials were fearful that Iraq would be officially certified as weapons-free.” The threat of alleged Iraqi WMD was the main pretext for devastating sanctions against Iraq that were a key element of US Middle East policy throughout the 1990s. These sanctions were, moreover, increasingly controversial inside the US, as their immense toll in Iraqi lives became known to a section of the public.

On the May 12, 1996, CBS News “60 Minutes” broadcast, journalist Leslie Stahl had cited UNICEF estimates that 500,000 child deaths in Iraq were attributable to the UN sanctions and asked then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright if she thought this price was “worth it.” Albright infamously replied: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is worth it.”

Washington reacted quickly as it became clear that Unscom might destroy the public pretext for the UN sanctions. On March 26, 1997, Albright gave a speech on Iraq at Georgetown University in Washington. She admitted that Iraqi WMDs had been largely destroyed: “Iraq’s military threat to its neighbors is greatly diminished. Most of its missiles have been destroyed. Its biological and chemical warfare production facilities have been dismantled. Nuclear materials have been removed.”

Albright insisted, however, that sanctions should continue despite Iraqi disarmament: “We do not agree with the nations who argue that if Iraq complies with its obligations concerning weapons of mass destruction, sanctions should be lifted.” She said that Iraq had to “prove its peaceful intentions,” but that “Saddam Hussein’s intentions will never be peaceful,” adding that “a change in Iraq’s government could lead to a change in US policy.” In short, regime change in Iraq was official US policy as far back as 1997, under President Bill Clinton.

As Albright acknowledged, many governments—including nominal American “allies”—were trying to end UN sanctions against Iraq, as they competed with the US for oil and influence in the Middle East. American rivals in Europe and Asia threatened to freeze the US out of the Iraqi oil market, as Washington had burned its bridges with the Hussein regime. These tensions were compounded by the US insistence on a trade embargo against Iran—another major oil supplier—after the 1979 Iranian Revolution. European and Asian countries were increasingly violating both embargoes.

In an August 1996 interview with the International Herald Tribune, the CEO of French oil firm Total, Thierry Desmarest, openly criticized US policy: “What is becoming a bit extravagant is that the United States is alone against everyone.” He defended Total’s investments in oil fields in Iran and Libya, adding that Total was working with the French government to devise countermeasures against American firms, should the US take legal action against Total for breaking US embargoes on Iran and Libya.

In a September 1997 article, “Iraq and Iran Tempt World Energy Industry,” the New York Times wrote that these developments made “the American strategy of ‘dual containment’ against Iraq and Iran—in addition to the pressure exerted against Libya, another energy supplier—appear to be increasingly ineffective.” In a 1998 report, “The Mineral Industry of Iraq-1997,” the US Geological Survey (USGS) wrote that in 1997, “At least 40 international petroleum companies...were actively seeking production-sharing and development contracts with Iraq.”

The report listed France’s Total and Elf Aquitaine with contracts for the Bin Umar, Nahr Umar and Majnoun oil fields; Agip of Italy and Repsol of Spain, negotiating for the Nassiriyah field; Russian companies seeking access to the West Qurna field; Indian companies seeking to develop the Al-Halfaya field; and the China National Petroleum Corporation, which had a production-sharing agreement for the Ahdab field. In the face of UN sanctions, however, these companies did not begin pumping or exporting Iraqi oil.

The USGS concluded: “Iraq ultimately plans to develop its crude oil production capacity to 6 Mbbl/d [6 million barrels per day]. Iraq expects to achieve this goal within 7 years after the UN sanctions are lifted.” Had sanctions been lifted in 1997, such a performance would have made Iraq the world’s fourth oil producer in 2004. Iraq and Iran, both under US embargoes, would have accounted for nearly half of Middle East oil production.

In short, Washington’s Middle East policy risked leaving a decisive portion of world oil production in the hands of its rivals. Should Iran and Iraq have decided to sell their oil in currencies other than the US dollar, this would also have had unpredictable, potentially destabilizing effects on global currency markets. The UN-enforced isolation of Iraq—though increasingly politically and strategically untenable—was the main barrier to such developments.

The Clinton administration therefore stoked an utterly baseless media hysteria around Iraqi WMDs and fixed its Iraq policy around the maintenance of sanctions at all costs and preparations for war. Its goals were firstly to weaken Iraq and keep it ripe for a colonialist takeover, and more broadly to prevent a redistribution of influence in the region that would favor American imperialism’s rivals.

This history shows that the Bush administration’s 2003 invasion of Iraq flowed directly from the Clinton administration’s policy, whose trajectory had been unmistakably towards war. This was confirmed during the 2004 presidential campaign by James Rubin, a former State Department official who advised Democratic candidate John Kerry on national security issues. Rubin said that if Kerry had been president during Bush’s first term, the US would “in all probability” have invaded Iraq by then.

Ekeus resigned from his position as head of Unscom in May 1997. He was replaced by Australian Richard Butler, under whom Unscom would function ever more openly as a tool in an escalating campaign of provocation against Iraq. Butler demanded the right to carry out surprise inspections of presidential palaces in Iraq—a demand that Hussein, fearing assassination by US agents who had infiltrated Unscom, rejected. Washington seized upon this as a pretext to build up its forces in the Persian Gulf.

On February 17, 1998, President Clinton declared, in a speech to the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the US was preparing for military action against Iraq. He asserted that American policy was open-ended war: “Following any strike, we will carefully monitor Iraq’s activities with all the means at our disposal. If [Hussein] seeks to rebuild his weapons of mass destruction, we will be prepared to strike him again.” However, a UN team negotiated a last-minute deal whereby Hussein granted Unscom access to the presidential palace and other sensitive sites, thus averting war.

US officials continued to work with Unscom to coordinate their activities for maximum effect, a fact that had become public by August 1998. At that time, the Washington Post revealed that Unscom routinely briefed the CIA on its findings. Scott Ritter, an Unscom inspector who was then advocating attacks on Iraq, also told the New York Times that American officials asked Unscom to time inspections to help US war propaganda.

According to Ritter, Unscom was asked to hold off inspections in October 1997 because “there was not enough military power in the region” to attack Iraq. In December 1997, US officials asked Unscom to hold off because “military action over the Christmas holidays was ‘domestically unsustainable’ ”—i.e., would be opposed by the American people.

After a series of crises over Unscom demands for ever more intrusive inspections, Unscom finally left Iraq after being denied admission to Ba’ath Party headquarters on December 9, 1998. One week later, the Clinton administration ordered the first large-scale air raids on Iraq. Bombings would continue throughout the rest of the Clinton administration and, with varying intensity, until the Bush administration’s 2003 invasion of Iraq.

This United States of America has no Soul we are the fools and may I ask who are YOU VOTING FOR?

Jesse Hemingway

10-20-2007, 10:42 PM

The FAA & Ptech
In the 9/11 Commission report a "phantom flight 11" was added to the official version of what happened that day. A tape was played at the final commission hearing on June 17, 2004, of a woman from the FAA telling NORAD that flight 11 was still airborne at 9:24 am, long after it had actually struck the WTC. Originally this was reported to be the time when the FAA notified NORAD that flight 77 was off course and headed to the Pentagon.

This information was used by the commission to claim NORAD had never been informed that flight 77 was headed towards Washington D.C., leaving the FAA holding the bag for the penetration of the most heavily guarded airspace in the world. The commission's report states they were "unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information."

It has been clearly documented that "false blips," or radar injects, were placed on FAA radar screens on the morning of 9/11 as part of the Air Force war games that morning.2 "Phantom flight 11" fits the description of a "false blip." If it was, in fact, a radar inject, that would explain why the 9/11 commission was unable to locate the source of the "mistaken FAA information." The 9/11 war games are classified and specific information regarding such details is not publicly available. We do know by the time "phantom flight 11" appeared on FAA screens - 9:24 am - the war games had reportedly been called off.3

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

Jesse Hemingway

10-20-2007, 10:50 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8857832629715387909&q=Jim+Fetzer%2C+Cooper+Union&total=20&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsY

http://www.youtube.com/911scholars

Jesse Hemingway

10-20-2007, 10:51 PM

Jul 16, 2007
Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement
— Richard Gage, AIA

Contact: Richard Gage, AIA, Founding Member of AE911Truth.org
Email: rgage@AE911Truth.org Website: http://AE911Truth.org
Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement
Prominent Engineer Calls for a New Investigation of 9/11
SAN FRANCISCO, CA July 16, 2007 -- San Francisco architect Richard Gage, AIA, founder of the group, 'Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth,' announced today the statement of support from J. Marx Ayres, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council.

“We are proud to have the support of Marx Ayres, a nationally recognized expert in building energy systems and earthquake damage to building nonstructural systems, in our search for the truth about the events of 9/11.”, said Mr. Gage. “He has signed our petition requesting a reinvestigation of those tragic events and he has now gone even further by providing his personal statement of support for a new investigation of 9/11.”

Mr. Ayres is a nationally recognized expert in building air conditioning design and analysis, energy conservation, thermal energy storage, commissioning of HVAC systems, and earthquake damage to building mechanical systems, with over 55 years of experience. Co-founder of one of the largest building engineering firms in Los Angeles, Mr. Ayres has been in responsible charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects, including high rise offices, commercial centers, hospitals and laboratories, hotels and residential buildings, universities and colleges, schools, theaters and entertainment centers, jails and correctional facilities, TV and sound studios, governmental buildings and industrial facilities

http://www.ae911truth.org/announce/4

Jesse Hemingway

10-20-2007, 11:10 PM

Another structural engineer who made early claims of melting steel, in the infamous 2002 Nova video "Why the Towers Fell", was Matthys Levy. Mr. Levy was a principal at the BMAG consulting firm Weidlinger Associates that, later, with the help of many other PhD engineers, produced a report on the WTC disaster as part of an insurance claim by Larry Silverstein.[10] This Silverstein-Weidlinger investigation was based on extensive computer modeling and involved many of the same contractors that contributed to the government studies. Their final report told us that floor failure had nothing to do with the WTC disasters, but "that the failure of columns alone, independent of the floors, explains the collapses."[11] At the time, Levy told us "There is no doubt left about the sequence of failure."[12]

Unfortunately, the credentialed experts were wrong again. Until NIST's final report came out in 2005, the "Pancake Theory" had replaced the column failure theory as the most widely accepted explanation for collapse. FEMA, along with a professor of Engineering from Northwestern, Zdenek Bazant, championed this theory of pancaking floors as the major explanation for the collapse of both towers, directly contradicting the Silverstein-Weidlinger report. This was strange, considering many of the same experts were involved in both the FEMA and Weidlinger investigations, including Gene Corley.

Amazingly enough, just last summer NIST finally admitted that the explanation could not involve pancaking floors either, by saying "NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse".[13] NIST's findings, first reported in their final draft report of October 2004 and built over a period of several years, originally consisted of two considerably different stories for the two towers. But NIST modified this nine months later in their final, final draft report, giving just one story for both towers about "widely-dislodged" fireproofing and sagging floors pulling the external columns inward, with no mention of pancaking. Their final, final collapse initiation sequence, the essence of their report, is now known to be false in every aspect.[14]

Through the years, NIST and the other official investigators ignored the demolition hypothesis completely, as can be seen from their reports and archived presentations. That's not surprising though, as the scientists working for FEMA and NIST, and therefore for the Bush Administration, would not likely lead their investigation toward a result that would limit or stop the 9/11 Wars. For example John Gross of NIST and Therese McAllister of Greenhorne & O'Mara, who not only co-authored the most important sections of NIST's report, but were also primary authors of FEMA's report, continue to act deaf, dumb and blind when it comes to evidence for the demolition hypothesis.[15] And we can imagine that all those "independent" contractors who contributed to the ever-changing story, who were also consulting firms for the DOD's interesting Blast Mitigation Action Group, would be hard-pressed to offer an explanation that would require a less militarily focused solution.

The only supposedly independent corroboration that the Bush scientists at NIST could produce for their appalling pack of lies was from that old respected scientific institution, Popular Mechanics. This Hearst magazine is not, as most people know, a scientific publication in any way, shape or form. When they talk about Mechanics, they do not mean Quantum Mechanics or Statistical Mechanics, or even Classical Mechanics. Popular Mechanics (PM) is simply a gloss-covered advertisement for numerous consumer items ranging from ATVs to lawn mowers. You know â€“ mechanics.

This hasn't prevented many who cling to the official story from using PM as their scientific champion. For example, in his poorly researched hit piece against "conspiracy theorists", British essayist George Monbiot foists Popular Mechanics upon us, saying they "polled 300 experts" to support their findings.[16] But science is not about popularity, and PM's "poll" of "structural engineering/building collapse experts" actually consisted of only about 33 people, some of them listed as photographers, media-relations staff and spokespersons. Of those that were engineering-related, most were in some way related to OKC, FEMA, NIST or DOD, and many were responsible for the Weidlinger report, the Pancake Theory, or the NIST report.[17] It turns out that, when it comes to scientific explanations for terrorist acts, it's a small world after all.

http://stj911.org/ryan/TruthInCredentials.html

disrupter

10-21-2007, 11:12 AM

If the truth comes out it will make PBS look bad.

A conspiracy of denial.

Sort of an autonomous secondary characteristic of a chaotic system.
Because they all think the same they respond the same way, creating a wave-front quasi barrier to get to the truth.

Why uninterrupted uniformity of thought is necessarily problematic; it hardens off into solidity, then sinks by virtue of its own gravitas.

Most mathematical definitions of chaos REQUIRE uniformity of population.
Perhaps there is a more 'real' chaos with high populations of NON-uniform automata.

Jesse Hemingway

10-27-2007, 02:00 PM

The 9/11 Base Of Operations:
Aircraft Carrier USS George Washington

By Jon Carlson

On 9/12 USA Today reported that aircraft carrier USS George Washington was anchored off Long Island on 9/11.

In addition to the aircraft carrier USS George Washington standing watch off Long Island and the carrier USS John F. Kennedy at an undisclosed location further off the East Coast, the Navy was moving several cruisers and destroyers out of port in Norfolk, Va., headquarters for the Atlantic Fleet.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/military-navy-deployment.htm

With good circumstantial evidence that Bush I headed up the 9/11 standdown operation from the White House, America had an aircraft carrier full of jet airplanes stand down just off Manhattan Island!

The 9/11 Keystone Cops Crime
The Missing Bush I Alibi
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/KCBushIalibi1.htm

Norfolk, Va., July 26, 2001 - USS George Washington (CVN 73) sails down the Elizabeth River past Norfolk's Waterside enroute to its homeport of Norfolk Naval Station following a six-month scheduled repair and maintenance period at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth, Va.

http://home.att.net/%7Esouth.tower/911AirBase1.htm

Jesse Hemingway

11-03-2007, 01:02 PM

By the way the Navy Aircraft carry missiles that are air to air with ranges over 100 nautical miles that have over 99% effectiveness. That would mean that1fighter aircraft could have easily taken down all four of the highjack aircraft on 9/11 in less then 30 minutes. Vector the fighter north of Manhattan launch two missiles at each of the first two highjacked planes. Then go supersonic south and in about ten minutes the Washington DC area is secure. That is how simple it would have been to protect the skies on the morning of 9/11 about a 1 hour operation from the launch to landing of just 1 NAVY fighter off either of the two aircraft carriers on location . Any United States Navy Aircraft carrier underway has to be able to launch an aircraft in 15 minutes or less that is worst case scenerio.

The fact is that George W. Bush the self proclaimed Commander and Chief committed dereliction of duty that morning.

Jesse Hemingway

11-09-2007, 09:22 PM

IRAN - THE NUCLEAR WAR BEGINS ::

The Bush Administration and Israel prepare a war and nuclear attacks against Iran and other countries. Evidences show that the United States and Israel already launched a small nuclear bomb against Syria.

As well as it happen with Iraq in 2002 and 2003, the Bush Administration and Israel prepare a dossier of false evidences and lies, planning a set of secret plans (black operations) to provoke Iran and to them for terrorist attacks using forged evidences, to try to justify a new war against Iran with the support of the international community.

Latest news during 2007, state that the U.S. already has a small army of special forces inside Iran and also that the U.S. is funding terrorist groups to sow chaos in Iran.

To prove how serious and dangerous the Bush Administration is, in September 6 of 2007, fighter jets from the US and Israeli air force launched a *nuclear* bunker buster bomb (of about 5 kilotons) against a building in Syria suspected of being a nuclear facility, that completely destroyed the whole site. The US and Israel do not comment the attack, Syrian authorities denied it, but satellite photos published by "The New York Times" journal, proved the attack happen and the site was completely destroyed by a massive explosion. (More information here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18652.htm )

The plans for an attack on Iran has long been planned by neo-conservative radical members of the Bush Administration back in the 90's. The plans include attacking Iraq, Syria and many other countries around the world, as a way to secure energy control and other political and military strategical issues. Part of those plans are publicly exposed on the "Bush Doctrine" in the "The Project for a New American Century" at: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf . Basically, those plans reveal the strong wishes of the Bush Administration to build a much more powerful United States, that seek to dominate the whole world at all levels, even if it means to build a world war.

It is now more clear then ever before, that the Bush Administration and even the Israeli government, are filled with insane and extremist individuals that wont stop at nothing to do what they planned, including using nuclear weapons. Protest against the use of force, against the war, the killing of thousands of innocent people and many other Human Rights violations. Send an email or letter to the US government at the White House or the Israeli government.

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September 2007 - The United States makes the first nuclear attack since World War 2
REPORT - US Air Force bombed Syria with a nuclear tatical weapon

11/02/07 "JPost" - The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force, the Al-Jazeera Web site reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear site under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. (...)

More information here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18652.htm

These satellite images show a building in a site where Syria allegedly built a nuclear reactor in August, left, and recently. The building in the center of the image has vanished completely. Photo: Courtesy ISIS

Revealed: Israel Plans Nuclear Strike on Iran

By Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington - ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons. Know the full story at:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18688.htm

U.S. Says Attack Plans for Iran Ready

By Associated Press - Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites, Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for the flow of Gulf oil.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18689.htm

U.S. Staging Nukes for Iran?

By Larry Johnson - Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana? That's like getting excited if you see postal worker in uniform walking out of a post office. And how does someone watching a B-52 land identify the cruise missiles as nukes? It just does not make sense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18325.htm

U.S. Plan Envisioned Nuking Iran, Syria, Libya

Despite years of denials, a secret planning document issued by the U.S. military's nuclear-weapons command in 2003 ordered preparations for nuclear strikes on countries seeking to acquire weapons of mass destruction, including Iran, Saddam Hussein-era Iraq, Libya and Syria.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004639.php

Experts: No Evidence of Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program

Jonathan Landay - Despite President Bush's claims that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons that could trigger "World War III," experts in and out of government say there's no conclusive evidence that Tehran has an active nuclear-weapons program.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18661.htm

US 'Iran Attack Plans' Revealed
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0220-04.htm

Target Tehran: Washington Sets Stage for a New Confrontation
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0212-02.htm

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Neocon Imperialism, 9/11, and the Attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq

By David Ray Griffin - My purpose in publishing this essay is to introduce a perspective, relevant to the debates about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, that thus far has not been part of the public discussion.
A must read: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17194.htm

Iran: The War Begins

By John Pilger - As opposition grows in America to the failed Iraq adventure, the Bush administration is preparing public opinion for an attack on Iran, its latest target.
http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/300/2/

'10,000 would die' in A-plant attack on Iran

By Thomas Harding - More than 100 American bombers, many based on carriers in the Gulf, would take part in a huge simultaneous surprise air attack on 20 key nuclear and military facilities, the report says.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11890.htm

"Theater Iran Near Term" (TIRANNT)

By Michel Chossudovsky - Code named by US military planners as TIRANNT, "Theater Iran Near Term" has identified several thousand targets inside Iran as part of a "Shock and Awe" Blitzkrieg, which is now in the final planning stages.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17154.htm

Bush Is Hiding the Ball on Iran

By Robert Parry - George W. Bush is again guiding the nation toward a preemptive war - this time with Iran - without allowing anything like a full debate of the underlying facts, probable consequences of the conflict or peaceful alternatives.
http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/298/2/

U.S. General: No Evidence of Iran Giving Arms to Iraqis

By CHRIS BRUMMITT, Associated Press - A top U.S. general said today there was no evidence the Iranian government was supplying Iraqi insurgents with highly lethal roadside bombs, apparently contradicting claims by other U.S. military and administration officials.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17046.htm

Blame it on Iran!

5 Minute Video - Keith Obermann speaks with Prof. Juan Cole about U.S. attempts to blame Iran for the disaster in Iraq.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17047.htm

Israel Seeks All Clear for Iran Air Strike

By Con Coughlin in Tel Aviv - Israel is negotiating with the United States for permission to fly over Iraq as part of a plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17166.htm

US Funds Terror Groups to Sow Chaos in Iran

By William Lowther in Washington DC and Colin Freeman - America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17170.htm

Wake Up! The Next War Is Coming

By Ray McGovern - Senator Rockefeller? Stop the war against Iran before it starts. You are chair of the intelligence committee. You don't have to be stonewalled, as previous chair Senator Bob Graham was in September 2002. Yes, he voted against the war in Iraq because he knew of the games being played with the intelligence. But he failed to play a leadership role; he didn't tell his 99 colleagues they were being diddled. It's time for some leadership.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17041.htm

War On Iran - It's Not About Democracy

By Ron Jacobs - As I write, indications are that there are US Special Forces engaged in operations in Iran. Rumors name the province of Khuzestan as the locale for these operations. They are probably being helped by various exiles who are either current or former members of organizations that believe the ends justify the means and are therefore willing to help the enemy in Washington to overthrow the mullahs.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17040.htm

New York Times Falls for Bogus Iran Weapons Charges

By Juan Cole - The unnamed sources at the Pentagon are reduced to implying that Iran is giving sophisticated bombs to its sworn enemies and the very groups that are killing its Shiite Iraqi allies every day. Get real!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17036.htm

Why The Surge Will Push Us Into a War With Iran

By Mike Whitney - No one has done more to expand Iran's power in the region than George Bush. He routed the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001 and then toppled Saddam and the Ba'athist Party in 2003. Both of these were the traditional enemies of the Islamic Republic. Now Bush has installed Iranian-backed warlords in the Green Zone and delivered the country to the Shiites.
http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/315/2/

Jesse Hemingway

11-10-2007, 07:51 PM

NFL Star Considered 9/11 a False Flag From Day One
Super Bowl winner and former Dallas Cowboys ace Stepnoski goes further during radio interview
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, November 8, 2007

Former Dallas Cowboys Super-Bowl winner and five time Pro Bowler Mark Stepnoski said in a radio interview yesterday that anybody who still believes the official story of 9/11 is either incredibly naive or in complete denial, as he revealed how he considered the event to be a possible false flag operation on the very day it happened.

Stepnoski went public in an interview with the Pennsylvania based Erie-Times newspaper on Sunday, but during an interview on The Alex Jones Show he went further and revealed that his questions about 9/11 began on the very day of the attacks.

"I just remember at the time thinking to myself - is this really a terrorist attack on us by a foreign nation or is this a false flag operation being conducted by our government," said Stepnoski, adding that he had carefully studied the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and the Oklahoma City bombing, which led him to immediately doubt the official story.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/081107_false_flag.htm

Jesse Hemingway

11-10-2007, 07:52 PM

FBI Agents warned of 9/11 attacks in June 2001

November 7, 2007 -- In June 2001, New Jersey resident Andras Szekely was visited by two FBI Special Agents from the FBI Newark Division: Agent Robin (Gritz) Laird and Agent Stengel. Szekely has provided the Muckraker Report with copies of these agents’ business cards that they left with Szekely after their visit. Szekely had obtained information in October 2000 related to a terrorist attack in NYC in which airplanes would be used. Szekely asked the FBI for protection and legal assistance, prior to being visited by Gritz and Stengel, in exchange for his detailed information. Szekely has provided the Muckraker Report with copies of two letters he had received from the FBI’s Arthur Radford Baker, Unit Chief, Office of Public and Congressional Affairs, dated March 28, 2001 and June 20, 2001. These letters indicate that the FBI would offer no protection to Szekely regardless of the information he had to offer.

In October 2000, approximately 11 months prior to September 11, 2001, Szekely was collecting English Ivy cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McCellen and 245 Mount Olive Ave. in Newark, NJ. The Gomel Chesed Cemetery is a ‘Jewish’ cemetery.

While at the cemetery, Szekely overheard a conversation between three men that included this pronouncement. “The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.”

http://muckrakerreport.com/id546.html

Jesse Hemingway

11-10-2007, 07:55 PM

Why Didn't Millions of Gallons of Water Put Out the Ground Zero Fires?
4 million gallons of water were dropped on Ground Zero within the first 10 days after September 11, according to the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories:
Approximately three million gallons of water were hosed on site in the fire-fighting efforts, and 1 million gallons fell as rainwater, between 9/11 and 9/21 ....
The spraying continued for months afterward (the 10 day period was simply the timeframe in which the DOE was sampling). Enormous amounts of water were hosed on Ground Zero continuously, day and night:
"firetrucks [sprayed] a nearly constant jet of water on [ground zero]. You couldn't even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there," said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. "It was like you were creating a giant lake."
This photograph may capture a sense of how wet the ground became due to the constant spraying:

Moreover, the fires were sprayed with thousands of gallons of high tech fire-retardants.

And yet, the world trade center fire was "the longest-burning structural fire in history". The temperatures were so high that there was molten metal at ground zero for months after 9/11.

Why didn't the enormous quantities of water and fire-retardant sprayed at Ground Zero put out the fires? How could fires and molten metal have burned for months, when fires from normal office and building materials and available sources of oxygen should have been doused by all of the water?

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-didnt-millions-of-gallons-of-water.html

Jesse Hemingway

11-10-2007, 07:57 PM

Is This 20-Year CIA Vet Crazy For Saying 9/11 Is a Probable Inside Job?
Debunkers not so quick to attack hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, November 5, 2007

Debunkers can scoff and chuckle all day long when a celebrity uses their public prominence to talk about 9/11 truth, but when a 20-year decorated CIA veteran says that the evidence points to 9/11 being an inside job, dismissive hand waving and off-the-cuff ad hominem attacks on credibility aren't so easy to justify.

Bill Maher recently suggested that people who dare to question this habitually lying government's official version of what happened on September 11 are crazy and should ask their doctor if Paxil is right for them.

Perhaps Maher would be less reticent to question the sanity of a man labeled "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East” by Seymour Hersh and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/051107_inside_job.htm

Jesse Hemingway

11-10-2007, 08:00 PM

9/11: Looking for Truth in Credentials: The Peculiar WTC “Experts”

by Kevin Ryan
Global Research
March 13, 2007

When Matthew Rothschild, editor of the online magazine The Progressive, wrote an article called “Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracies, Already”, we all knew he was not talking about the conspiracy theory that the US government sells us to justify the expanding 9/11 Wars.[1] To the contrary, in writing that article Mr. Rothschild was selling that same theory himself. What he actually meant was that people should not question the US government’s story of terror because credentialed experts have been found to support it. But the fact is that the experts found to support the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 are predominantly those who profit from doing so. That’s not to say that all of these people were “part of the conspiracy”. But they are, whether consciously or not, a part of the cover-up. And that, of course, is the greater crime.

The Bush Administration employed a number of such credentialed experts to give us multiple explanations for the unprecedented destruction of three tall steel-framed buildings at the World Trade Center (WTC). Unfortunately, all of those explanations have proven to be false, and this fact reminds us that academic credentials don’t necessarily make a person more capable, or more likely, to tell the truth.

Exactly how they could find so many experts on the fire-induced collapse of tall buildings is not immediately clear, considering such an event had never happened before. But it did help that the questions were quickly framed as being solely matters of structural engineering, a sub-field of civil engineering, because structural engineers cannot find work without continual government approvals. A Chemistry laboratory manager like myself can work without permits or licenses, but people can’t just go out and build a bridge or a tall building on their own. The extensive paperwork necessary to complete civil engineering projects is obtained by working closely with, and staying on good terms with, local and national authorities. That fact may not be enough to ensure vocal support for the official story of “global collapse”, but it has been enough to keep most structural engineers from publicly opposing the intransigent government stance on the WTC events.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070314101151995

Jesse Hemingway

11-11-2007, 04:57 PM

Welcome to September 11 Television Archive
This collection contains television news programs recorded live from around September 11, 2001 by the non-profit Television Archive to help patrons research this important part of United States history. These materials were available on the televisionarchive.org site from October 11, 2001 through 2003

http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive

9-11 WTC Videos
Video Evidence of the Destruction of the World Trade Center Skyscrapers
The collapses of the Twin Towers and Building 7 were captured in numerous videos. This page includes excerpts from both professional news footage and by amateur video recordings.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html

Jesse Hemingway

11-19-2007, 10:20 PM

The Video is good stuff get on board :

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1130776331460784908&q

All we are asking for is a transparent through investigation:http://truthaction.org/

Jesse Hemingway

11-22-2007, 04:23 PM

Excellent resource a click away::thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://911review.org/

Jesse Hemingway

11-30-2007, 09:17 AM

New Video:911 Eyewitness - VO ST FR [Google Video]

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=911+Eyewitness+-+VO+ST+FR

Jesse Hemingway

12-02-2007, 12:06 PM

I.Q. TEST; can you start a D-9 Caterpillar with a 9 volt battery with a cold engine and it’s 10 below zero and no diesel? If your government said you can wouldn’t any reasonable person say show me.

Our government relies on unintelligent citizens to get away with their corruption, here is an example 9/11 was an I.Q. test held on America. A greater amount of energy was released when the WTC collapsed then was stored by potential energy in the structure and the jet fuel on the planes.

The potential energy stored in the structures is weight and distance from the ground a total function of gravity along with a vertical vector function.
The energy in jet fuel is related to combustion it increases only when applying more pressure or oxygen to maximizes it’s potential (that is also addtional energy), at one atmosphere of pressure and in ambient environment then the lowest value of potential energy is released from jet fuel.

The I.Q. test begins when we all witnessed a greater release of energy then what was stored by those to sources. The only way to pass the I.Q. test is to say prove it show me how on September 11, 2001 in New York City the most basic laws of physical science was violated.

Very simple question many people have asked yet no answers that is the real I.Q. test.There is only one simple question prove your math please. The popular mechanics article only attempts to answer the potential energy released by structural failure caused by heat which may have caused a collapse and would have only accounted for the vaule of potential stored in the structure and the jet fuel.

Example: If I climbed 10 foot ladder with a bowling ball the potential energy is my mechanical energy used to climb the ladder that is now stored in the bowling ball once I drop the ball that stored energy is released as the ball falls to the ground end of stored energy. Now if I throw the ball horizontally I have to add additional mechanical energy to make the ball travel away from me. So let’s say I use value of 10 to represent the energy to get the ball to the top of the ladder once I drop it that value of 10 is released. If I throw the bowling ball I have to add additional energy in the form on mechanical energy the farther I throw it the more mechanical energy I have to add.

When I watch this video below then I have calculate where did the additional energy come from to pulverize the concrete, to send massive pieces of steel and concrete on a horizontal trajectory many hundreds of yards out from the buildings, and the many thousands of pound of pulverized particles in the opposite direction upward that is what most people would like answered show us your math.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearc...ess+-+VO+ST+FR

Jesse Hemingway

12-04-2007, 10:55 AM

Bottom line you either saw the WTC buildings blow up or you saw them burn to the ground. That is the only options the United States government gave to their citizens by their lack of a thoroughly investigating the crimes that happened on 9/11.

disrupter

12-06-2007, 07:42 AM

I can't see a jumbo jet anywhere in the pentagon video.
Something is seriously amiss.

Jesse Hemingway

12-08-2007, 12:04 AM

Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, December 4, 2007

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

Jesse Hemingway

12-08-2007, 12:08 AM

Eight Senior Republican Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 - "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False"
by Alan Miller

http://www.opednews.com

December 4, 2007 – Eight former senior Republican administration appointees have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and several have called for a new investigation. "I find the facts against the official story of the [WTC] buildings' collapse more compelling than the case that has been made in behalf of the official story. I would like to see the issue debated by independent scientists and engineers," wrote Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan. "A real investigation is needed to find an explanation consistent with the evidence, even if it doesn't reassure the public," said Dr. Roberts [1], frequently referred to as the "Father of Reagonomics."

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD

"Over the past six years, the ranks of distinguished skeptics of the 9-11 storyline have grown enormously. The ranks include distinguished scientists, engineers and architects, intelligence officers, air traffic controllers, military officers and generals, including the former commanding general of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, former presidential appointees and members of the White House staff in Republican administrations, Top Gun fighter pilots and career airline pilots who say that the flying attributed to the 9-11 hijackers is beyond the skills of America's best pilots, and foreign dignitaries." [2]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_071202_seven_senior_republi.htm

Jesse Hemingway

12-08-2007, 12:19 AM

Young Pakistanis: Bin Laden Is A CIA Creation
Good Morning America gets more than it bargained for in a feature on young people in Pakistan

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Dec 4, 2007

An ABC news piece that ran yesterday morning attracted attention after four Pakistanis who were being interviewed about the attitudes and life of young people in Pakistan declared Osama Bin Laden to be a creation of western intelligence and stressed that Islamic extremist attitudes towards the west were virtually non existent in their country before 9/11.

ABC have since pulled the video footage from their website, but an industrious prisonplanet forum member grabbed the footage and uploaded it to youtube.

"Who is Osama Bin Laden?" One girl asked Chris Cuomo, "He's just a character created by America" she concluded.

Another of the young people, all in their twenties picked up the conversation stating "I would say that 98% of Pakistanis would follow along the same lines, they believe that Osama is basically a CIA agent who is working under cover to put over a bad image of Islam."

Here is the footage interspersed with other evidence to back up the claims of the four young Pakistanis:

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm

Jesse Hemingway

12-09-2007, 02:38 AM

9/11 Commission where reality stopped

By: Jesse Hemingway

Let's start here with some basic ground rules of law and work from there.

Out of the gate we need to look at the scope of the Executive Order (EO) and does that have any legal bearing on a successful criminal prosecution and the crimes that occurred on 9/11. The 9/11 Commission was formed under an EO does it carry any legal validity or was it just a bluff to buy time? What type of criminal procedures followed 9/11 if any then if not who made the decisions not to file or follow criminal investigations or proceedings?

Went to the well one to many times
The EO procedures worked quite well with the JFK murder investigation it totally circumvented Texas state law bought enough time to yield to strong arm tactics with in the government similar to 9/11. In less then one year after JFK’s murder we were committed to a surge in Vietnam under false pretence Tokin Gulf Resolution the vote in the Senate 98 for 2 against.

Executive Orders Defined

An Executive Order (EO) is a directive issued to executive-level agencies, department heads, or other employees from the President under the President's statutory, or constitutional powers. In many ways, the EO is similar to written orders, or instructions the president of a corporation might send to department heads or directors.Thirty days after it is officially published in the Federal Register, an EO becomes law. While the EO does bypass the U.S. Congress and the standard legislative law making process, no part of an EO may be illegal or unconstitutional. The first EO was issued in 1789 by none other than George Washington. Not until 1907 were EOs given official numbers.

no part of an EO may be illegal or unconstitutional
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) testimony in the 9/11 commission report would most likely be considered unconstitutional thus EO would be in violation of the law. The entire 9/11 commission report hinges on the testimony from KSM was that testimony obtained legally?

December 8, 2007, Greencastle, Ind. - "Did they obstruct our inquiry? The answer is clearly yes," says Lee Hamilton, who co-chaired the 9/11 Commission, in the wake of reports the CIA destroyed videotapes of interrogations of two al-Qaida suspects. "Whether that amounts to a crime, others will have to judge," adds Hamilton, a 1952 graduate of DePauw University, in today's Detroit Free Press.
The article details demands by congressional Democrats "that the Justice Department investigate why the CIA destroyed" the tapes. It notes, "White House press secretary Dana Perino said President George W. Bush didn't recall being told about the tapes or their destruction. But she didn't rule out White House involvement, saying she hadn't asked others about it."

Meanwhile, the International Herald Tribune reports "the former chairmen of the Sept. 11 commission, who said the CIA assured them repeatedly during their inquiry that no original material existed from its interrogations of Qaeda figures, said they were furious to learn about the tapes ... Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton said they had made clear in hours of negotiations and discussions with the CIA, as well as in written requests, that they wanted all material connected to the interrogations of Qaeda operatives in the agency's custody in order to get a complete understanding of the events leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks for their 2004 report."

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=20521

Reasons for Issuing an Executive Order

Presidents typically issue an EO for one of these purposes:
1. Operational management of the executive branch
2. Operational management of federal agencies or officials
3. To carry out statutory presidential responsibilities

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa121897.htm

Powers of the President

+ Serve as commander in chief of all U.S. armed forces
+ Commission officers of the armed forces
+ Grant pardons and reprieves from Federal offenses (except impeachments)
+ Convene special sessions of Congress
+ Receive foreign ambassadors
+ Take care that Federal laws are faithfully executed
+ Wield the "executive power"
+ Appoint officials to lesser offices
Powers of the President Shared With the Senate
+ Make treaties
+ Appoint ambassadors, judges, and higher officials
Powers of the President Shared With Congress as a Whole
+ Approve legislation

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blpres.htm

What is an Executive Order?

From time to time I hear that President Bush has issued an Executive Order establishing this policy or that. What is an Executive Order? Where does the President get the authority to issue them? Is there any way to reverse an Executive Order?

"Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998
"We've switched the rules of the game. We're not trying to do anything legislatively."
Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, The Washington Times, June 14, 1999
Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies. However, in many instances they have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to congressional intent.

Not all EOs are created equal. Proclamations, for example, are a special type of Executive Order that are generally ceremonial or symbolic, such as when the President declares National Take Your Child To Work Day. Another subset of Executive Orders are those concerned with national security or defense issues. These have generally been known as National Security Directives. Under the Clinton Administration, they have been termed "Presidential Decision Directives."

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders.
http://www.thisnation.com/question/040.html

Crime (what is a crime)

A type of behavior that is has been defined by the state, as deserving of punishment which usually includes imprisonment. Crimes and their punishments are defined by Congress and state legislatures.

See Topic: Criminal Law

Prosecution n. 1) in criminal law, the government attorney charging and trying the case against a person accused of a crime. 2) a common term for the government's side in a criminal case, as in "the prosecution will present five witnesses" or "the prosecution rests" (completed its case). (See: prosecute, prosecutor)

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...om/prosecution

Next step in the process:

PROVING AND DISPROVING CRIMINAL GUILT

§ 301. State's prima facie case; proof beyond reasonable doubt.
(a) In any prosecution for an offense, a prima facie case for the State consists of some credible evidence tending to prove the existence of each element of the offense.
(b) No person may be convicted of an offense unless each element of the offense is proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
(c) In any prosecution for any compound crime, including but not limited to first degree murder under § 636(a)(2) or (a)(6) of this title or for second degree murder under § 635(2) of this title, the corpus delicti of the underlying felony need not be proved independently of a defendant's extrajudicial statement. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 301; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 463, § 1.)
§ 302. Jury instruction for defendant on reasonable doubt.

(a) Pursuant to § 301(b) of this title, the defendant is entitled to a jury instruction that the jury must acquit if they fail to find each element of the offense proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
(b) The defendant may produce whatever evidence the defendant has tending to negate the existence of any element of the offense, and, if the court finds that a reasonable juror might believe that evidence, the defendant is entitled to a jury instruction that the jury must consider whether the evidence raises a reasonable doubt as to the defendant's guilt. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 302; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)
§ 303. Credible evidence to support defenses.

(a) No defense defined by this Criminal Code or by another statute may be considered by the jury unless the court is satisfied that some credible evidence supporting the defense has been presented.
(b) Evidence supports a defense when it tends to establish the existence of each element of the defense.
(c) If some credible evidence supporting a defense is presented, the defendant is entitled to a jury instruction that the jury must acquit the defendant if they find that the evidence raises a reasonable doubt as to the defendant's guilt. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 303; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 59 Del. Laws, c. 547, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)

§ 304. Defendant's affirmative defenses; prove by preponderance of evidence.
(a) When a defense declared by this Criminal Code or by another statute to be an affirmative defense is raised at trial, the defendant has the burden of establishing it by a preponderance of the evidence.
(b) Unless the court determines that no reasonable juror could find an affirmative defense established by a preponderance of the evidence presented by the defendant, the defendant is entitled to a jury instruction that the jury must acquit the defendant if they find the affirmative defense established by a preponderance of the evidence.
(c) An affirmative defense is established by a preponderance of the evidence when the jury is persuaded that the evidence makes it more likely than not that each element of the affirmative defense existed at the required time. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 304; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)
§ 305.
Exemption from criminal liability; affirmative defense to be proved by defendant.
When this Criminal Code or another statute specifically exempts a person or activity from the scope of its application and the defendant contends that the defendant is legally entitled to be exempted thereby, the burden is on the defendant to prove, as an affirmative defense, facts necessary to bring the defendant within the exemption. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 305; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)

§ 306. No conclusive presumptions; rebuttable presumptions and proof thereof.
(a) There are no conclusive presumptions in this Criminal Code, and all conclusive presumptions formerly existing in the criminal law of this State are hereby abolished.
(b) Rebuttable presumptions formerly existing in the criminal law of this State are preserved except to the extent that they are inconsistent with this Criminal Code.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Criminal Code, the following rebuttable presumptions are expressly preserved:

(1) A person is presumed to intend the natural and probable consequences of the person's act.
(2) A person found in possession of goods acquired as a result of the commission of a recent crime is presumed to have committed the crime.
(d) Proof of a fact tending to create a rebuttable presumption not inconsistent with this Criminal Code or a presumption created by this Criminal Code constitutes prima facie evidence of the presumed conclusion.

(e) The court may tell the jury of the existence of the presumption, and if it does so the defendant is entitled to a jury instruction that the presumption does not relieve the State of its burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Nevertheless, the jury may convict the defendant, despite the existence of evidence tending to rebut the presumption, if they find no reasonable doubt about the defendant's guilt. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 306; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 59 Del. Laws, c. 203, § 2; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)

§ 307. Jury inference of defendant's intention, recklessness, knowledge or belief.
(a) The defendant's intention, recklessness, knowledge or belief at the time of the offense for which the defendant is charged may be inferred by the jury from the circumstances surrounding the act the defendant is alleged to have done. In making the inference permitted by this section, the jury may consider whether a reasonable person in the defendant's circumstances at the time of the offense would have had or lacked the requisite intention, recklessness, knowledge or belief.
(b) When the defendant's intention, recklessness, knowledge or belief is an element of an offense, it is sufficient to establish a prima facie case for the State to prove circumstances surrounding the act which the defendant is alleged to have done from which a reasonable juror might infer that the defendant's intention, recklessness, knowledge or belief was of the sort required for commission of the offense. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 307; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.)

§ 308. Construction of provisions allowing no defense.
When a provision of this Criminal Code expressly denies the applications of a specific defense, no inference is thereby created that any other defense is valid. (11 Del. C. 1953, § 308; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1.)

http://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c003/index.shtml

FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id267.html

disrupter

12-09-2007, 06:41 AM

Executive Orders are a post constitutional creation, yes?

There is no explicit constitutional reference to or creation of them, yes?

Jesse Hemingway

12-09-2007, 10:23 AM

Executive Orders are a post constitutional creation, yes?

There is no explicit constitutional reference to or creation of them, yes?
While the EO does bypass the U.S. Congress and the standard legislative law making process, no part of an EO may be illegal or unconstitutional. The first EO was issued in 1789 by none other than George Washington. Not until 1907 were EOs given official numbers.

Jesse Hemingway

12-22-2007, 12:05 PM

9/11 commission sought videotapes destroyed by CIA
Co-chairs convinced agency deliberately impeded inquiry
Mark Mazzetti, New York Times

Saturday, December 22, 2007

(12-22) 04:00 PST Washington --

A review of classified documents by former members of the Sept. 11 commission shows that the panel made repeated and detailed requests to the Central Intelligence Agency in 2003 and 2004 for documents and other information about the interrogation of operatives of al Qaeda, and were told by a top CIA official that the agency had "produced or made available for review" everything that had been requested.

The review was conducted earlier this month after the disclosure that in November 2005, the CIA destroyed videotapes documenting the interrogations of two Qaeda operatives.

A seven-page memorandum prepared by Philip Zelikow, the panel's former executive director, concluded that "further investigation is needed" to determine whether the CIA's withholding of the tapes from the commission violated federal law.

In interviews this week, the two chairmen of the commission, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their reading of the report had convinced them that the agency had made a conscious decision to impede the Sept. 11 commission's inquiry.

Kean said the panel will provide the memorandum to the federal prosecutors and congressional investigators who are trying to determine whether the destruction of the tapes or withholding them from the courts and the commission was improper.

A CIA spokesman said that the agency had been prepared to give the Sept. 11 commission the interrogation videotapes, but that commission staff members never specifically asked for interrogation videos.

The review by Zelikow does not assert that the commission specifically asked for videotapes, but it quotes from formal requests by the commission to the CIA that sought "documents," "reports" and "information" related to the interrogations.

Kean, a Republican and a former governor of New Jersey, said of the agency's decision not to disclose the existence of the videotapes, "I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong." Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana, said that the CIA "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&feed=rss.news

Jesse Hemingway

12-26-2007, 09:53 AM

They sure did not follow there own polices on Aircraft crash investigation procedures see what the professionals say about crash site investigations.

http://pages.slu.edu/faculty/bunnell...ion_Manual.pdf

I guess they failed to follow their own procedures on page 12 on the link above.

In this link above on Aircraft Accident Investigations there are 26 pages and only 3 paragraphs on witness investigation starting at the end of page 20 and ends on page 21. Essential the report says that the crash scene hold all the necessary information to recreate the incident.

Jesse Hemingway

12-29-2007, 12:16 AM

Sir David speaks to former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto about her controversial return to Pakistan, who she thinks is behind the deadly bombing of her convoy in Karachi last month, and whether she and Musharraf can forge a powersharing agreement

Bhutto said Omar Sheikh murdered Osama bin Laden In 2006, Musharraf wrote a book in which he stated that Omar Sheikh, one of the primary financers of the 9/11 attacks, may have worked for British intelligence during the 1990s.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5107

Jesse Hemingway

12-29-2007, 01:39 AM

Scientist questions 9/11 probe's professionalism
By PAUL CONANT
Znewz1, Dec. 27, 2007

Problems of professionalism dog the official account of the collapses of the twin towers on Sept. 11, 2001, according to a fire scientist who once served as a division chief for the investigating agency.

James G. Quintiere, a fire science professor at the University of Maryland, charges that the National Institute of Standards and Technology failed to use subpoena power in order to obtain all evidence, issued a murky report that "defies reading and analysis," failed to do relevant experiments, and failed to give a "clear account of the logic they used in explaining collapse mechanisms."

Quintiere, in a published paper provided to this writer, said each NIST investigator wrote a separate analysis, which was then cobbled into the main report and "there was not a full integration of the work as each passed their work on to the other."

Quintiere charged that the NIST had failed to examine alternative hypotheses and said the investigation's fire physics was shaky. He challenged the agency's conclusion that collapse was initiated after blazing hot core columns buckled, having been shorn of fireproofing when the planes struck. He offered an alternative hypothesis: collapse was triggered when fires heated trusses (triangular supports), which then brought down the floors.

Quintiere buttressed his hypothesis with a scale model fire test, a type of experiment not reported by the NIST.

Quintiere, careful to avoid being labeled a conspiracy theorist, sticks with fire issues and his paper says nothing about the plausibility of rapid and total collapse.

In remarks before the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference, Quintiere, a fire science textbook author, said he favored a peer review of the NIST's 9/11 analysis and urged fellow experts to re-examine the trade center collapses.

http://911science1.blogspot.com/

Peregrine

12-29-2007, 12:39 PM

That has always bothered me...how do 4 planes leave their scheduled route and no one knows about it. Certainly radar must of shown something...someone explain how this could happen...and for the length of time they were missing before anyone knew about it...where were the U.S. jets when they were needed????? This may of been discussed somewhere but I haven't been following it...it still scary.:disbelief:

Jesse Hemingway

01-06-2008, 02:21 PM

Jesse Hemingway

01-06-2008, 02:27 PM

Stonewalled by the C.I.A.
By THOMAS H. KEAN and LEE H. HAMILTON
Published: January 2, 2008
Washington

MORE than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the “facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001” — and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the president’s chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.

The commission’s mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02kean.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Scumbag

01-07-2008, 08:21 AM

FAA Withholds Pre-9/11 ID Confirming Aircraft Serial Number Data Of 9/11 Planes
Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 12/28/2007 - 7:09am.
Aidan Monaghan

A Freedom of Information Act request of the Federal Aviation Administration, seeking the last known serial number data of aircraft components contained by the aircraft used to carry out the 9/11 attacks, that are known to have been collected by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and National Transportation Safety Board from all 3 9/11 plane crash scenes, has been denied. Therefore, based on the indisputable evidence presented in the preceeding report, we have no other option other than to declare that the aircraft that carried out the attacks were not aircraft at all, but rather they were big missiles with wings fired from flying volkswagons piloted by George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld & Condoleezza Rice. The passengers and crews from the 4 ill-fated flights were later flown to the Caribbean and, to this day, are enjoying sunny days by the beach, sipping Pina coladas, and balmy nights dancing and singing the nights away in the many discos and karaoke bars dotted around the islands.
http://911blogger.com/node/13149
........................

Jesse Hemingway

01-23-2008, 02:42 AM

http://jamartell.blogspot.com/2008/01/japanese-senator-questions-911.html

This should be on the front page of every major newspaper. Of course the mainstream media doesn't want to report anything that gives credence to the 9/11 Truth Movement. Yukihisa Fujita – Member, House of Councillors, National Diet of Japan (equivalent to U.S. Senate). Director, Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense. Former Member of the House of Representatives. Former Vice Director General of the International Department of the Democratic Party of Japan; gave a 30 minute presentation in the Japaense Parliament on 1/10/08 regarding the many anamolies surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Here are the details (courtesy of patriotsquestion911.com):

In a 30-minute presentation on the floor of the House of Councillors (equivalent to the U.S. Senate), Yukihisa Fujita directly questioned the official version of 9/11. Present in the session and responding to Mr. Fujita's questions were Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda and members of his Cabinet.

Mr. Fujita stated that no official police investigation had been conducted into the deaths of the 24 Japanese citizens who were killed on 9/11.

He also said that many people worldwide doubt the official account of 9/11 and much evidence has been collected that contradicts the government's version of 9/11, evidence which can be seen on many websites.

During Mr. Fujita's speech, fellow member of the House of Councillors and member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense, Hisashi Tokunaga, showed several large photos of:
- the alleged path of Flight 77 to the Pentagon.
- the Pentagon entry and exit holes and a correctly scaled overlay of a Boeing 757.
- the WTC Twin Towers exploding.
- New York firefighter Capt. Dennis Tardio discussing detonators at the WTC.
- the collapse of WTC Building 7.
- the announcement of the collapse of WTC Building 7 by the BBC and CBS before it actually happened.

Mr. Fujita demanded further investigation of the events of 9/11. Video of Mr. Fujita's presentation, including Prime Minister Fukuda's and his Cabinet members' responses, can be seen in their entirety below in eight parts:

Scumbag

01-23-2008, 08:31 AM

This should be on the front page of every major newspaper. Of course the mainstream media doesn't want to report anything that gives credence to the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Yeah, funny that!

I wonder why that is?

Is it because they are afraid of the government or because they really don't like to print bullshit!

Who knows?

:confused:

Jesse Hemingway

01-24-2008, 11:03 AM

FYI on the way the news is manipulated:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/92.html

bigfootzx

01-24-2008, 04:54 PM

Monday night Bill O'REilly @ Foxnews aired 2 Texan men who claimed to see a UFO over Texas. Maybe you should email the facts to this jerkoff neo con, he'll give you your 15 minutes of fame, lol! No I'm not a FOX fan, fyi, just happened to be clicking channels and up poppe the neo con

oreilly@foxnews.com

UFO video

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?012308/012308_oreilly_pinheads&OReilly_Factor_Pinheads&Pinheads%20and%20Patriots&acc&O%26%2339%3BReilly%20Factor&-1&Shows&51&&&new

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html

Jesse Hemingway

01-25-2008, 02:51 AM

The most interesting thing is how did George W. Bush know the video existed at that time?

Bush Caught in a Lie
About the 9/11 WTC Attacks

President Bush has stated on two occasions that he saw a plane hit World Trade Center 1:

Occasion 1:
President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting
[CNN, Aired December 4, 2001]
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

RealMedia video download of comment

Occasion 2:
President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
[whitehouse.gov, January 5, 2002]

"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..." [whitehouse.gov]

WMA download of comment

There is a problem with the above statements. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of the first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit World Trade Center 2.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html

Bush Saw The First Plane Hit The WTC On TV????
URGENT: FORWARD THIS AND CHECK OUT THE LINKS BEFORE THEY DISAPPEAR FROM THE INTERNET!!!

BUSH CONTRADICTS HIS OWN STORY WITH A STATEMENT THAT HE SAW THE FIRST PLANE HIT THE TOWER ON TV!!!!

«And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."» G. W. Bush

PLEASE ALSO READ ERIC'S COMMENTS BELOW!!
Confirmation of Bush's comments at:

www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,612354,00.html

Video of statement below:

http://terrorpets.com/index.php?option=com_bookmarks&Itemid=1&task=detail&id=555

Now here is another verison of the same story:

A DAY OF TERROR: THE PRESIDENT;
A Somber Bush Says Terrorism Cannot Prevail
By.ELISABETH BUMILLER WITH DAVID E. SANGER
Published: September 12, 2001

Mr. Bush was informed that a plane had hit the World Trade Center in a telephone conversation with Ms. Rice shortly before walking into a second-grade classroom at the Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla. White House officials said he knew only that it was a single aircraft and not necessarily a terrorist attack. The president did not appear preoccupied until a few moments later, around 9:05 a.m., when his chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., entered the room and whispered into the president's ear about the second plane attack. At that moment Mr. Bush's face became visibly tense and serious.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9404EFD81238F931A2575AC0A9679C8B 63

Jesse Hemingway

01-25-2008, 02:53 AM

Wednesday, 12 September, 2001, 22:05 GMT 23:05 UK

Bush calls attacks 'acts of war'

But Mr Bush said that it was definitely not business as usual in the US administration, and that everyone was operating on heightened security alert.

"This morning I am sending to Congress a request for emergency funding so we can spend whatever it takes to rescue victims... and to protect national security," he said.

Two hijacked planes crashed into the towers of New York's World Trade Center, triggering explosions and fires that resulted in their collapse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1537534.stm

President bush's own words even he knew there were explosions.

Good luck finding the explosions bush stated that occured on 9/12/01 speech and anything about explosions in the 9/11 commission report. below

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/r...Report_Ch9.htm

bigfootzx

01-25-2008, 03:46 AM

Bush studders and ad libs when he gets nervous, no one saw it live that we can all agree on, but suggesting he lied..... more like he misquoted himself and it ain't the first time. Bush has misquoted, used the wrong word or phrase many times. Watch Dave Letterman, they do clips all the time....outtakes from press conferences, public events,etc.... Sometimes he talks like a old man who talks faster than he thinks.

Jesse Hemingway

01-31-2008, 10:58 AM

30 January 2008
Commission Confidential
EXTRA

By Max Holland

In a revelation bound to cast a pall over the 9/11 Commission, Philip Shenon will report in a forthcoming book that the panel’s executive director, Philip Zelikow, engaged in “surreptitious” communications with presidential adviser Karl Rove and other Bush administration officials during the commission’s 20-month investigation into the 9/11 attacks.

Shenon, who led The New York Times’ coverage of the 9/11 panel, reveals the Zelikow-Rove connection in a new book entitled The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, to be published next month by TWELVE books. The Commission is under an embargo until its February 5 publication, but Washington DeCoded managed to purchase a copy of the abridged audio version from a New York bookstore.

In what’s termed an “investigation of the investigation,” Shenon purports to tell the story of the commission from start to finish. The book’s critical revelations, however, revolve almost entirely around the figure of Philip Zelikow, a University of Virginia professor and director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs prior to his service as the commission’s executive director. Shenon delivers a blistering account of Zelikow’s role and leadership, and an implicit criticism of the commissioners for appointing Zelikow in the first place—and then allowing him to stay on after his myriad conflicts-of-interest were revealed under oath.

Shenon’s narrative is built from extensive interviews with staff members and several, if not all, the commissioners. He depicts Zelikow as exploiting his central position to negate or neutralize criticism of the Bush administration so that the White House would not bear, in November 2004, the political burden of failing to prevent the attacks.

The Commission includes these specific revelations:

• Kean and Hamilton appreciated that Zelikow was a friend and former colleague of then-national security adviser Condoleeza Rice, one of the principal officials whose conduct would be scrutinized. Zelikow had served with her on the National Security Council (NSC) during the presidency of Bush’s father, and they had written a book together about German reunification. The commission co-chairmen also knew of Zelikow’s October 2001 appointment to the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. According to Shenon, however, Zelikow failed to disclose several additional and egregious conflicts-of-interest, among them, the fact that he had been a member of Rice’s NSC transition team in 2000-01. In that capacity, Zelikow had been the “architect” responsible for demoting Richard Clarke and his counter-terrorism team within the NSC. As Shenon puts it, Zelikow “had laid the groundwork for much of went wrong at the White House in the weeks and months before September 11. Would he want people to know that?”

• Karen Heitkotter, the commission’s executive secretary, was taken aback on June 23, 2003 when she answered the telephone for Zelikow at 4:40 PM and heard a voice intone, “This is Karl Rove. I’m looking for Philip.” Heitkotter knew that Zelikow had promised the commissioners he would cut off all contact with senior officials in the Bush administration. Nonetheless, she gave Zelikow’s cell phone number to Rove. The next day there was another call from Rove at 11:35 AM. Subsequently, Zelikow would claim that these calls pertained to his “old job” at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center.

Tie it all together in the next post below.

http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2008/01/commission-conf.html

Jesse Hemingway

02-03-2008, 11:20 PM

Jesse Hemingway

02-05-2008, 12:03 PM

Why were the 9/11 tapes destroyed?
By Paul Craig Roberts
Online Journal Guest Writer

Feb 5, 2008, 00:10

Many Americans are content with the 9/11 Commission Report, but the two chairmen of the commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton are not. Neither was commission member Max Cleland, a US senator who resigned from the 9/11 Commission, telling the Boston Globe (November 13, 2003): "This investigation is now compromised." Even former FBI director Louis Freeh wrote in the Wall Street Journal (Nov. 17, 2005) that there are inaccuracies in the commission’s report and "questions that need answers."

Both Kean and Hamilton have twice stated publicly, once in their 2006 book, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission, <if><endif> and again in the January 2, 2008, New York Times, that there are inaccuracies in their report and unanswered -- or mis-answered -- questions.

On the second day of this New Year, Kean and Hamilton accused the CIA of obstructing their investigation: "What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the President, to investigate one of the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction."

In their book, Kean and Hamilton wrote that they were unable to obtain "access to star witnesses in custody who were the only possible source for inside information about the 9/11 plot."

The only information the commission was permitted to have about what was learned from interrogations of alleged plot ringleaders, such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, came from "thirdhand" sources. The commission was not permitted to question the alleged plotters in custody or even to meet with those who interrogated the alleged plotters. Consequently, write Kean and Hamilton, "We had no way of evaluating the credibility of detainee information" that was fed to them by third party hands. "How could we tell if someone such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was telling us the truth?"

The fact that videotapes of the interrogations existed was kept secret from the 9/11 Commission.

The videotapes have since been destroyed. The destruction of the videos has become an issue because of White House involvement in the decision to destroy the tapes and because the videos are believed to have been destroyed because they reveal methods of torture that the Bush administration denies using.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2913.shtml

Jesse Hemingway

02-05-2008, 09:42 PM

9/11 widows call for new investigation after revelations of White House, commission ties

Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday February 5, 2008

The widows whose political activism was largely responsible for the establishment of a commission to investigate the September 11 attacks say a new book revealing the backstory of the 9/11 Commission proves that their initial concerns about its executive director were correct and demonstrate the need for another investigation.

Philip Shenon, who covered the proceedings for the New York Times, has written a new book, The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, which was released Tuesday. The book reveals the close ties between commission executive director Philip Zelikow and White House advisers Karl Rove and Condoleezza Rice.

The Commission also reveals that aside from one staff member, no one on the 9/11 investigative panel reviewed what was perhaps the most robust treasure trove of pre-9/11 intelligence on al Qaeda -- records from the National Security Agency, which conducts electronic surveillance and codebreaking for the US Intelligence Community.

"General Michael Hayden, who headed the NSA at the time, was eager to cooperate and share what his organization had with the 9/11 Commission, but Executive Director Zelikow was not interested," 9/11 widows Patty Casazza, Monica Gabriellle, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie Van Auken said in a statement reacting to the book.

"Why didnt Phil Zelikow make reviewing these vital NSA documents a Commission priority?" they ask. "It seems clear that not every fact and lead was followed in this investigation compromising the validity of the Commission's final report and its findings."

The 9/11 widows called for Zelikow to resign or be fired from the Commission back in 2004, when his ties with Rice and Rove were first revealed. Shenon's book, they say, proves their concerns were right all along.

"It is abundantly clear that Philip Zelikow should have immediately been replaced when the first rumblings of his impropriety and conflicts of interest surfaced," they said. "When all of this information became clear, the Commissioners and the press should have called for Zelikows resignation. We did. Shamefully, most were silent."

As washingtonpost.com columnist Dan Froomkin notes, "This isn't the first time it's turned out that the 9/11 Commission wasn't getting the full picture. It's not even the second."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/911_widows_call_for_new_investigation_0205.html

Jesse Hemingway

02-10-2008, 12:51 PM

US judge blocks Saudi Prince Bandar from moving real estate sale proceeds out of U.S.

The Associated PressPublished: February 10, 2008

"In London, lawmakers disclosed last month that Britain's head of overseas intelligence had warned that Saudi Arabia probably would stop sharing vital information on terrorism if prosecutors pursued an investigation into alleged corruption in the arms deal."

WASHINGTON: A federal judge has temporarily blocked Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the United States, from removing real estate sales proceeds from the United States pending resolution of a class-action lawsuit.

The suit filed last September by a tiny Michigan city retirement system accuses current and former directors of BAE Systems PLC, a giant British defense company, of breaches of fiduciary duties in connection with $2 billion or more in alleged illegal bribes paid to Bandar in connection with an $86 billion BAE arms sale to Saudi Arabia in 1985.

Bandar also is named a defendant in the suit, along with the former Riggs Bank of Washington and its successor, PNC Financial Group.

BAE and Bandar have strongly denied that illegal payments were made to Bandar.

Without ruling on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said in a temporary restraining order, signed Feb. 5, that the suit by the City of Harper Woods Employees' Retirement System raises serious questions of law that warrant a temporary order keeping Bandar from taking the proceeds of real estate sales out of U.S.-based accounts

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...andar-Suit.php

Every picture tells a story don't it. (sorry Rod)

http://www.joplinindependent.com/dis...se-h1159649228

Jesse Hemingway

02-12-2008, 10:54 AM

My take on 9/11
By: Jesse Hemingway

The unraveling of the 9/11 operation is very complex I would have to say an extremely complex operation. Here is my take on the scope of what happened.
9/11 was the crescendo moment stemming back to 1954. We have all had time to
evaluate, re-evaluate, and evaluate the facts and disinformation surrounding
the spectacle of 9/11. I have no hesitation to state that 9/11 was the
catalyst to gain control of the remaining untapped oil reserves of Iraq and
Iran. I personally view 9/11 and the events afterward as three concentric
circles; each of the circles represent the following elements of the
operation. Each of the elements would have their own internal motives for
participation never to be unearthed though.

1.. The oil industrial complex, bush administration, and PNAC
2.. Israel as means to ensure long term stability in that region and a
source of long term finical gains
3.. Sunni faction of Islam (Saudi Arabia the Royal Family) to ensure their
on going wealth while destroying the Shiite faction that sits on the
remaining untapped oil reserves

The oil industry needed to gain control of the oil flow in that region
similar to the method Enron employed by manipulating energy prices in the
United States. This was necessary to recapture wealth from China and India
as their economies were expanding after 9/11 they became forced to pay
triple the price for their oil. Israel would have been reduced to do the
dirty work in the operation they had no resources to bring to the operation
but willing to become part of it via elements within PNAC. Israel would gain
a stake in the operation by wiring the World Trade Centers also the leverage
of the knowledge of the scope of the operation (Mukasey and AIPAC) . The
Sunnis wealth is dwindling as their oil reserves are rapidly decreasing;
while facing the reality that the Shiites would increase in power in the
region with their oil reserves. This would cause a serious change in the
balance of power in that region while both Islamic sects considering each
other as herertical doctrine and natural enemies for thousands of years. The
United States would destroy the Sunnis natural enemy for them that's why
they are presently stuck on the 70/30 split of the oil.

"The IEA, employing a team of 25 analysts, is trying to shed light on some of the industry's best-kept secrets by assessing the health of major fields scattered from Venezuela and Mexico to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. The fields supply over two-thirds of daily world production."

"The findings won't be definitive. Big producers including Venezuela, Iran and China aren't cooperating, and others like Saudi Arabia typically treat the detailed production data of individual fields as closely guarded state secrets, so it's not clear how specific their contributions will be."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121139527250011387-lMyQjAxMDI4MTIxMjMyOTI1Wj.html

In the chart titled in the above article “Major Output” as of 2007 the total number of barrels of oil in reserves of the top 10 oil fields is 400 billon barrels. Of the 400 billion of the total reserves in the Saudi Arabia oil fields represent 216 billion barrels or 54%. During the 1990’s when oil was in the price range of $20.00 - $25.00 a barrel Saudi Arabia may have over stated their reserves to borrow against their oil reserves. If in fact this occurred for every 10% over stated by Saudi Arabia represents 5% of all major reserves or 5.4 billion barrels. I would also surmise that minimum over estimates would be in the minimum range of 30% do to the accuracy of the nature of oil a liquid underground would have a significant margin of error or deviation. At $25.00 a barrel that would yield a $405 billon over estimate in oil reserves by Saudi Arabia using a conservative figure of 30%.

After 9/11 and at the onset of the Iraq invasion by the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion. Using strictly a business decision model these figures would make the invasion of Iraq a low risk venture. (That is excluding all loss of human life and human injuries) Since the total and complete mismanagement of this scheme the cost of oil has a direct relationship to the cost of the war. If in fact this was a real war on terror then the analogous cost of the oil and war would not have a correlated effect. This also has a strong indication that oil reserves have been inaccurate long before 9/11

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/washington/19cost.html

If you follow this network back all three of the concentric circles had made
dramatic inroads during the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi
Arabia was matching dollar for dollar that the United States was covertly
funding the Mujaheddin. These entire funds were transferred through Israel
to purchase the weapons for the Mujaheddin. The network existed they just
need a plan to pull off any future heists. This means that the Mujaheddin
had been infiltrated by Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia from day one. This
would mean that the Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia are really Al-Qaeda.

Jesse Hemingway

02-28-2008, 11:08 PM

9/11 Aircraft 'Black Box' Serial Numbers Mysteriously Absent
Submitted by Aidan Monaghan
on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 8:51am.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/14081

Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed serial numbers.

NTSB American Airlines flight 77 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

NTSB United Airlines flight 93 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf

The United States government alleges that 4 registered Boeing commercial passenger aircraft were used in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, yet has failed to produce any physical evidence collected from the 3 9/11 crash scenes positively tied to these federally registered United and American airlines aircraft. Despite the release of abundant information regarding the 9/11 flights and the aircraft reportedly used, specific information that would confirm official allegations regarding the identity of these aircraft has been mysteriously withheld or denied upon request.

The federally registered aircraft reportedly used during the 9/11 attacks:

- American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA).

With flight data recorder serial number data that is virtually always provided within NTSB reports of major U.S. commercial airline crashes that occur within U.S. territory, one can trace an installed device to a particular registered aircraft through manufacturer or Federal Aviation Administration records.

The following e-mail was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007, in response to a 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

A 11/26/2007 Freedom of Information Act request of the Federal Aviation Administration for the last known serial numbers of the flight data recorders and other components contained by the aircraft said to have been used during the 9/11 attacks, was unlawfully denied.

Background:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149

A 1/3/2008 e-mail reply from a Loren Cochran, a FOIA specialist with the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, regarding the FAA FOIA denial reads as follows:

"It is unusual and unlawful for them to not cite an exemption. “[W]e are not in a position to release the said records at this time,” certainly isn’t an exemption any where in the Freedom of Information Act, and I can’t think of any case law that supports that answer either."

The RCFP site:

http://www.rcfp.org/

Because of the criminal nature of the 9/11 attacks, the FBI became the lead investigative agency into the 9/11 aircraft mishaps, along with the requested aid of the NTSB. It is possible that the FBI seized FAA 9/11 aircraft records containing component serial number data for aircraft identification purposes and that the FAA no longer possesses them.

http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2001/010913.htm

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm

Flight data recorder information provided by the NTSB, for all major U.S. commercial passenger aircraft crashes within U.S. territory, involving major aircraft and/or loss of life, since 1988, with noted FDR serial numbers:

Comair Flight 5191, August 27, 2006, CRJ-100, 49 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 102368

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0705.pdf

Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101, December 19, 2005, Grumman G-73, 20 Dead (Not equipped with a FDR)

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR07-04.pdf

Jesse Hemingway

02-28-2008, 11:09 PM

FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report

By:Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Thursday February 28, 2008

Hijacker had post-9/11 flights scheduled, files say

Newly-released records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request contradict the 9/11 Commission’s report on the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and raise fresh questions about the role of Saudi government officials in connection to the hijackers.

The nearly 300 pages of a Federal Bureau of Investigation timeline used by the 9/11 Commission as the basis for many of its findings were acquired through a FOIA request filed by Kevin Fenton, a 26 year old translator from the Czech Republic. The FBI released the 298-page “hijacker timeline” Feb. 4.

The FBI timeline reveals that alleged hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi, who was aboard the United Airlines flight which crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, had booked a future flight to San Francisco. He also had a ticket for a trip from Casablanca to Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.

Though referenced repeatedly in the footnotes of the final 9/11 Commission report, the timeline has not previously been made available to the public.

The FBI timeline is dated Nov. 14, 2003 but appears to have been put together earlier (since the last date mentioned in the document is Oct. 22, 2001) and was provided to the 9/11 Commission during its 2003 investigation. The final Commission report cites the FBI timeline 52 times.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_documents_contradict_Sept._11_Commission_0228. html

Jesse Hemingway

03-08-2008, 09:06 PM

Tuesday September 3 , 2002
BLOODY SEPTEMBER
The Russian Connection?
By Dave Francis, Foreign Correspondent

It was reported by UPI that on the day of the attack (9/11), three money exchanges in Moscow quit accepting dollars. This was before the attack. It is fairly well known here that when someone talks of the Russian mafia, he is frequently referring to people who are not ethnic Russians, but in fact are of middle eastern ancestry, and quite often associated with, or members of, radical Islamic terrorist groups.
The conflict in Chechnya is a mafia sponsored and supported war. It is an attempt by these same gangsters to have their own gangster state. Sort of Al Capone's Chicago, but on a nation level.
It would appear that someone knew there was going to be an event that would disrupt the financial markets, with the dollar being hit the hardest. Right
after the attack on New York, the dollar fell to 14 roubles per dollar for a
few hours before rebounding to its current level of around 29. Somewhere,
someone made a lot of money. It is also being investigated whether or not
representatives of Usama bin Ladin were trading large shares in expectation
of a quick drop in the markets.
The USA has been critical of Russia's handling of the situation in Chechnya. It has urged restraint, for Russia to negotiate and not use force to solve the problems there. The USA didn't understand the foe Russia was dealing with. Now they do.

http://www.francisnet.com/davefrancis/stories/bloodyseptember.html

Special Ed

03-18-2008, 11:24 PM

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2008, 02:12 AM

Jesse,

With regard to your assertion about the lack of proof tying the airplanes to the crash sites, are you suggesting that it would have been easier for the government to assassinate all of the passengers on board those flights than to actually crash them into a building or are you suggesting that those people on the flight manifests are still alive and that my friends on flight 175 just won't call me back?

Little yellow school bus Ed :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
I could care less about you and your friend that died on 9/11, remember your friend on flight 175 the one that never had a real investigation into his death. Little yellow school bus Ed; at least I attempt to respect your friend's life the one on flight 175 that was murdered by someone? That's right 19 fucking morons with box cutters scare the fuck out of me. Let's start and endless war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 yet that war was sold by the same group that sold you the 19 morons and box cutters.
I would like to see a real investigation into 9/11.

You go jack off alone if you believe the government's story then move the fuck on nothing to see here you have all your answers. The United States Government 9/11 story is so weak that it is frightening, an out right joke; it just shows the depth of the stupidity of the American public. I am sure little yellow school bus Ed that anyone who believes george bush's 9/11 fairy tale ought to be riding on that bus with you.

bigfootzx

03-19-2008, 03:33 AM

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2008, 04:15 AM

The Conspiracy Theory Nutters are a bunch of lost souls.
This crap is more about making money selling videos and keeping
the hoax alive than actual facts. Jeese needs a day long ass kicking!!!!!!!
An ass kicking so bad that his mommie wouldn't even look at him.
My dad died on 9/11 in NYC and these Ass Clowns profit from
nothing but false information!!!

This is your first time asking questions on this thread, see how this degenerate loser responds to simple questions. :banghead:.

Well bad ass did you go to Iraq and avenge your daddy’s death? A real man would have kicked some Saudi Arabian ass that day of 9/11, A real man would have not let the Saudi’s sneak away like bush let them. So bitch boy bigfootzx you’re just another ass kissing punk but just maybe your daddy knows who really did him you think? It sure wasn't any Iraqi dum ass!!!:lmao2: :lmao2:

bigfootzx

03-19-2008, 02:52 PM

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Well bad ass did you go to Iraq and avenge your daddy’s death? A real man would have kicked some Saudi Arabian ass that day of 9/11, A real man would have not let the Saudi’s sneak away like bush let them. So bitch boy bigfootzx you’re just another ass kissing punk but just maybe your daddy knows who really did him you think? It sure wasn't any Iraqi dum ass!!!:lmao2: :lmao2:

Despite the lack of WMD's the humanitarian effort in Iraq will save the lives of
many citizens living in extreme poverty and living under the constant threat of Saddam's evil crooks who raped and robbed people of their life, liberty and what little money/assets they had.

fyi, no survivors were allowed to join the military for a obvious reasons. Loose cannons are not acceptable!!! Travel restrictions were aslo imposed for a period of time by the state dept. to restrict travel to certain middle east countries. You'd know this if you got your head out of you cock licking boyfriends hairy ass. You need a good ass kicking, in fact I'd be glad to show your brains the light of day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Faggot assed loser!!!!!!!!!

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2008, 04:58 PM

Despite the lack of WMD's the humanitarian effort in Iraq will save the lives of
many citizens living in extreme poverty and living under the constant threat of Saddam's evil crooks who raped and robbed people of their life, liberty and what little money/assets they had.

fyi, no survivors were allowed to join the military for a obvious reasons. Loose cannons are not acceptable!!! Travel restrictions were aslo imposed for a period of time by the state dept. to restrict travel to certain middle east countries. You'd know this if you got your head out of you cock licking boyfriends hairy ass. You need a good ass kicking, in fact I'd be glad to show your brains the light of day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Faggot assed loser!!!!!!!!!
Sorry you make no sense I can see why it is the way you are now, you just keep repeating nonsense, propaganda. Let’s start over 19 morons with box cutters high jacked 4 airplanes and crashed them in to the WTC and the pentagon and one blew up in the air and cast debris from the plane in the opposite direction it was flying according to eye witness. I just post enigmas surrounding 9/11 events I really do not care what you think you have your answers. You should be very happy that you can come to your conclusions with the 9/11 events with out a through investigation, at least some type of investigation not some thing written in a hobby magazine as the source for the ultamate investigation. That is so bushesq if you understand what I mean just trust george. Not ME.
Lucky YEW, YEW are a female sheep aren’t YEW, YEW sound like all of the mindless flock but with a female bahhhhhhh.:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

LogicallyYours

03-19-2008, 07:00 PM

Jesse Hemingway

03-19-2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Special Ed
Jesse,

With regard to your assertion about the lack of proof tying the airplanes to the crash sites, are you suggesting that it would have been easier for the government to assassinate all of the passengers on board those flights than to actually crash them into a building or are you suggesting that those people on the flight manifests are still alive and that my friends on flight 175 just won't call me back?

Uh....well, yeah.

LOL

Well help me out how many times was the bush administration told that somthing was going to happen? more then once?
So pick what words you chose to call death the question is could it have been stoped?

So keep jerking off if you belive the government story about 9/11 you should be happy. If I were on a jury the United States government has proved nothing just very,very weak evidence way to many unansewred questions which means no thourgh investigation has occured to prove any thing.

Its take george and dick at their word and face value.

LogicallyYours

03-20-2008, 07:31 PM

"So keep jerking off ..."...Nice projection there.

Are you a pussy in real life too?

Jesse Hemingway

03-21-2008, 12:03 AM

03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77 "final leg" to the pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will demonstrate.

According to the government, American 77 final approach to the pentagon is depicted below.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/descent_rate031308.html

Jesse Hemingway

03-21-2008, 12:21 AM

bigfootzx

03-21-2008, 03:25 AM

I hear Jeese jerks off in his own mouth!!! Literally a dickhead and walking vagina combined into one. Explains why he is so angry!!!

LogicallyYours

03-21-2008, 07:58 AM

So keep jerking off ..."...Nice projection there.

Are you a pussy in real life too?:p :p :p
I do not know I will have to check that all important hobby magazine Popular Mechanics to check that critical fact there sport.

Well, you will never know then.....because you have a very hard time understanding facts.

Jesse Hemingway

03-26-2008, 11:08 AM

WTC molten molybdenum cover-up
Forensic evidence of controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center continues to pile up. The official conspiracy theory, of three high-rise collapses resulting from impact damage and regular office compartment fires caused by "suicidal Muslim aircraft hijackers", can only be sustained by criminal control of media, political and business leaders.

Solid evidence of molten iron and extremely high temperatures that cannot be accounted for by hydrocarbons burning in air, corroborates numerous reports of molten steel that was still running weeks after the 9/11 attacks, and confirms that the perpetrators employed aluminothermic reactions as accelerants in order to guarantee total collapse of the Twin Towers and Building 7.

Conventional compartment fires (even including jet fuel which in any case burns up within a few minutes) are only capable of maximum gas temperatures around 1,000 ºC or 1,832 ºF. And that's for 20 minutes or so at any particular point whilst local combustibles are consumed, before cooling to 500 ºC or lower. In fact, the NIST paint study concluded that "of the more than 170 areas examined on the exterior panels, only three locations had a positive result indicating that the steel may have reached temperatures in excess of 250 ºC". And a core column tested which had some surrounding fire was found to have peaked at lower than 200 ºC.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6178

LogicallyYours

03-26-2008, 11:52 AM

Jesse Hemingway

03-26-2008, 09:50 PM

"Forensic evidence of controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center continues to pile up. The official conspiracy theory, of three high-rise collapses resulting from impact damage and regular office compartment fires caused by "suicidal Muslim aircraft hijackers", can only be sustained by criminal control of media, political and business leaders."

LOL...this is just BS. There is no verified evidence of demolition other than your CT Nutters wet dream.

All you have a questions. Questions are not proof or evidence.

No problem then lets have a real investigation and everyone’s testimony goes on the record not like the pass the commander and chief received along with cheney during the last 9/11 investigation. All the national security items can go in the record for all to view also. Basically that is all the people are asking for is that request to over whelming? Until tell then both side are at a stale mate way to many unanswered questions for such a simple attack. So you call me a name I call you a name it still does not answer the questions.

The trust us answer by the bush administration is more damming to any rational person and they are only elected public servants nothing more.

bigfootzx

03-27-2008, 03:27 AM

Pass the hat around Jeese and raise some money to conduct an independant investigation. All you CT Nutters need to poney up some cold hard cash and tell the government you want access.

Or would the CT crowd prefer we use tax payer money ? If so, and if they agreed, I'd want it in writing from all CT Nutters in the USA that they would not be part of the investigation. Hell we'll even ask them to dig up the 19 dead hijackers.......to present the habeas corpus. Or did they get vaporized by the mini hydrogen bomb too ??

LogicallyYours

03-28-2008, 08:23 PM

Jesse Hemingway

03-29-2008, 01:24 AM

All their BS positions and questions have been asked and answered. The problem is, they just don't like the answer because they are just so emotionally invested that they refuse to accept proof that is given them.

The only answer they will accept is the one they want to hear.

The funny thing is that nothing the bush administration has said is true that is the only factual answer. Every answers hinges on the liars credibility. Bush WMDs lies have cost more lives then his failure to stop 9/11. 19 troubled youths brought the United States of America to it's knees bush words while bush was the commander and chief that is the only fact.
"9/11 is the biggest f$kkk up in American history by the biggest f$KKk up in American history george w. bush" that is another fact.

LogicallyYours

03-29-2008, 08:37 AM

This is not about the Bush Administration. I myself think the Bush Administration is the most closed, dishonest, for big business, against average Joe and our rights -administration this country has ever seen.

I agree that the Bush Administration lied this country into a war...cherry picked Intel, switched reasons, outed a US covert agent..., BUT I can make that statement because of the proof. The document trail, the testimony and the witnesses.

With regard to the WTC and the Pentagon: The evidence, however, is independent and not biased. The evidence does not support any other explanation than the official explanation.

Jesse Hemingway

03-29-2008, 04:21 PM

SPEAKING FREELY
September 11 was a third-rate operation
By Bohdan Pilacinski

In late April of 2001, just five months before the September 11 attack date, Mohamed Atta was stopped for driving erratically late at night near Ft Lauderdale, Florida. By then, the pilots all had their licenses, final-phase planning must have been under way. Yet, here was Osama bin Laden's field commander for the entire operation, driving a red Pontiac (though 15 years old), with Arabic stickers, and no driver's license, or at least none he would show.

Warned and lucky, Atta was told to show up for a court date, with a license, or a warrant would go out for his arrest. He got the license but failed to show. Ten weeks later, he was stopped for speeding, but unaccountably no computer coughed up a warrant. Now Florida has reciprocity; so at least in theory and for no good reason, the September 11 attack team functioned its last four months with an arrest warrant out for their leader in 50 states.

Having sorted out the contestants in their publicly touted "mastermind" of the month contest, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) released this disclosure of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, (so successfully water-boarded in Pakistan). Zacarias Moussaoui, who'd presumably attracted Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) attention by advising his flight instructor that he wasn't much interested in take-offs and landings [1], hadn't been a member of the 9/11 teams at all; he was being held in reserve. Why? Because he was a belligerent loud-mouth and hence a security risk. As he so proved.

Point is, any decent handler with minimal judgment and authority would have yanked Moussaoui out of the country within days of this assessment. But no, he was left scheming on his own, possibly with consequences for al-Qaeda more severe than we know ... such as forcing the attack date.

No license, sloppy driving, even Arabic stickers; worse, an unbalanced agent working solo. These aren't just lapses in the learning curve of an amateur operation; these are ludicrous standards for operational security in any clandestine organization.
In the orchestrated fear campaign pursuant to the attack, we were systematically inundated with extravagant claims for al-Qaeda's potency, reach, cohesion, dedication, vision and Satanic focus. Dr No on petrodollars! Everything Vladimir Lenin could wish he'd had or been! Of course much of this has since - in the jargon of the financial press - been "subject to downward revision"; yet, to this day, insistence on al-Qaeda as a formerly monolithic, then metastasized, demon pathology of epic capacity for terror and evil, has been virtually obligatory throughout the US media: left, right and center.

As late as June 2, 2006, National Intelligence czar John Negroponte pronounced al-Qaeda as the biggest threat to America in the world today. Again, prima facia evidence to the contrary accumulated from day one. Why, if the enemy was so formidable, were a quarter of his assets hanging out over a hayfield in the middle of nowhere, an hour and a quarter past the initial strike on the North Tower? Why were the hijacker's identities rumbled so quickly; why didn't they have identification documents with Anglicized, or Europeanized or Latinized names? And the big tracking question: If they're this good tactically, how good are they strategically?

Our first clue came in late December. Having scored perhaps the most spectacular guerrilla attack in the history of warfare, what did al-Qaeda do for an encore? Would-be trans-Atlantic airline bomber Richard Reid, who couldn't find the bathroom to blow up his shoes.

There are perfectly satisfactory answers to the above questions and others like them, but these matter less than what they spell out collectively. September 11 was a minimalist operation, funded at the cost of a modest San Francisco Bay Area condominium, by a small, weak opponent. At its height, al-Qaeda's external operations never mounted to better than a third-rate execution.

Beyond that, al-Qaeda's been an American-made myth: fear, credulity ... and hype.

The military and the intellectuals - the social elements with perspective - were not that impressed, (the FBI and terrorism professionals were hysterical). Al-Qaeda wasn't even the first suspect; the initial law enforcement sweep was scattershot, and rolled up a large Israeli spy ring along with all the Arab males and foreigners. [2] New York was wounded but sober. It was the American TV audience that was blown away.

On closer examination - all publicly available information - every Washington-generated myth about al-Qaeda erodes or vaporizes. Here are two.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JC28Ak06.html

LogicallyYours

03-30-2008, 05:15 PM

Blah...blah....blah....

Jesse Hemingway

03-30-2008, 11:10 PM

Blah...blah....blah....

I find it interesting the method used in that article to display the total lack of any real sophistication with in Al –CIA-DA to be competent enough to really pull off 9/11. The primary interest is the way the bush administration has marketed to the public the danger of AL-CIA-DA and their organization when in fact there is neither. Isn’t criminal to conflate the threat of AL-CIA-DA and use it to justify the only reason you have left to be in Iraq?

So yes it seems to indicate that the 19 stooges pulled off 9/11 yet at the same time it also indicates the bush administration as derelict in their duty to protect the United States. These facts only brings us back for the need of a real investigation to 9/11 because if the bush administration was in fact derelict in their duty then they need to be exposed and held accountable as the real failures they are and receive the punishment due them.

bigfootzx

03-31-2008, 01:54 PM

The funny thing is that nothing the bush administration has said is true that is the only factual answer. Every answers hinges on the liars credibility. Bush WMDs lies have cost more lives then his failure to stop 9/11. 19 troubled youths brought the United States of America to it's knees bush words while bush was the commander and chief that is the only fact.
"9/11 is the biggest f$kkk up in American history by the biggest f$KKk up in American history george w. bush" that is another fact.

Did you see the Saddam interviews? Saddam admitted he faked WMD's
to scare off Iran and to intimidate the USA. It worked!!! Saddam lost the
many of his weapons during the first Gulf war. Both parties believed Iraq had WMD's regardless of the opinion about lying. The documents will be declassifed by the next president which most likely will be a Dem.

Bush does not carry all the blame, everyone should also blame Bill Clinton, he failed to capture bin Laden, had 10 chances, 5 were good. Clinton opened the immigration doors so US companies and colleges could recruit people and the terrorists sneaked in too. The FBI, CIA, NSA and other agencies are too politcally oriented and refuse to cooperate and share intel, this also happened under Clinton.

Bush had 8 months in office so the blame goes more on Clinton, since his slack ass administration did a sloppy job. Didn't Clinton also let the chinese steal nuclear secrets, of course he did, what a fucking loser, oh well, at least he got a BJ in the oval office!! Both parties are a joke, the Ivy League are too uptight and they have no clue how to run this nation.

"19 troubled youths brought the United States of America to it's knees bush words while bush was the commander and chief that is the only fact."

So at least you admit 19 hijackers did it, try and research Clinton's role in the WTC incident, he is dirty too, more than he or the Godless Dem followers want to admit. The God loving Dems know he's dirty!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32LnjWJTHcg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9S82a_W0I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg5S9DUBrxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeiObfeeIUI

LogicallyYours

03-31-2008, 06:50 PM

"...Godless Dem followers" , there's an intelligent comment.

bigfootzx

03-31-2008, 07:35 PM

lol, it all depends on how you view the Dems who supported Clinton's failures and pretended the failures were not his fault. Bush has quite of large following too, we call them Bushbots because they all repeat the same thing like robots.

Jesse Hemingway

04-06-2008, 02:08 AM

2+2=4 not to complex of an operation!!!!
The PNAC group said we need another Pearl Harbor event to go tap Iraq and Iran see this link: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?ID=103

“Catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor”

Elliott Abrams,Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz"Catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor”

Link below page 51 first new paragraph:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

What PNAC meant when they said another “Catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor” event was that the United States government would be required to let it happen. The human element of the death and destruction along with national security has no real meaning among these people (Elliott Abrams,Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz TRACK RECORD BABY) it was a means to justify the attack on Iraq with their eyes of course on Iran. These simplistic fools (PNAC members) live in a reality that relies totally on fictional analogies that is why they were unable to conquer Iraq. Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby have already proven by empirical facts that their interests Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby out weigh true National Security concerns just ask Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson.

Now see the names of the PNAC signatories: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

Where have we seen these names before DUH.

Jesse Hemingway

04-20-2008, 11:12 PM

Additional information and research material on link below:

http://journalof911studies.com/

disrupter

04-23-2008, 08:44 AM

In the pentagon video you can see the white object hurtling at the pentagon.

they tried to blur it & add some bogus 'tail' of a plane all in blurry grey along the vector of the missile, but there is no denying that some smaller white aircraft is skimming the ground into the face of the pentagon.

I think if you track exactly who & how DNA samples from the Pentagon were acquired holes will start showing. They wouldn't have had time to load the global hawk or non-explosive missile with body parts from the plane passengers.
So either it was planted post event or the person supposedly gathering it was actually getting it from somewhere else.

Scumbag

04-23-2008, 10:50 AM

Jesse Hemingway

04-26-2008, 10:53 AM

The United States government authorization to initiate the 9/11 commission was dated November 27, 2002 the Bush administration failed to establish this investigation on their own. It was forced onto the Bush administration by the surviving Families of the Americans that died on 9/11 if the Bush Administration had its way there would have NEVER been and investigation at all. Just another trust us deal by the bush Administration.

Public Law 107-306
[DOCID:publ306.107]

Public Law 107-306
107th Congress

An Act
To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2003 for intelligence and
intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, the
Community Management Account, and the Central Intelligence Agency
Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes.<<NOTE>>

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress <<NOTE>> assembled

Let's do a little contrasting the Al Qaeda team sent in to do the 9/11 attacks would have been their elite forces the Al Qaeda Recon Team their special forces.

SPEAKING FREELY
September 11 was a third-rate operation
By Bohdan Pilacinski

[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JC28Ak06.html[/url]

In late April of 2001, just five months before the September 11 attack date, Mohamed Atta was stopped for driving erratically late at night near Ft Lauderdale, Florida. By then, the pilots all had their licenses, final-phase planning must have been under way. Yet, here was Osama bin Laden's field commander for the entire operation, driving a red Pontiac (though 15 years old), with Arabic stickers, and no driver's license, or at least none he would show.

Warned and lucky, Atta was told to show up for a court date, with a license, or a warrant would go out for his arrest. He got the license but failed to show. Ten weeks later, he was stopped for speeding, but unaccountably no computer coughed up a warrant. Now Florida has reciprocity; so at least in theory and for no good reason, the September 11 attack team functioned its last four months with an arrest warrant out for their leader in 50 states.

Look at the picture the 9/11 commission report develops of Al Qaeda the sophisticated operation.
Below is from the 9/11 Commission Report: [url]http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch2.htm[/url]

Bin Ladin eventually enjoyed a strong financial position in Afghanistan, thanks to Saudi and other financiers associated with the Golden Chain. Through his relationship with Mullah Omar-and the monetary and other benefits that it brought the Taliban-Bin Ladin was able to circumvent restrictions; Mullah Omar would stand by him even when other Taliban leaders raised objections. Bin Ladin appeared to have in Afghanistan a freedom of movement that he had lacked in Sudan. Al Qaeda members could travel freely within the country, enter and exit it without visas or any immigration procedures, purchase and import vehicles and weapons, and enjoy the use of official Afghan Ministry of Defense license plates. Al Qaeda also used the Afghan state-owned Ariana Airlines to courier money into the country.77

The Taliban seemed to open the doors to all who wanted to come to Afghanistan to train in the camps. The alliance with the Taliban provided al Qaeda a sanctuary in which to train and indoctrinate fighters and terrorists, import weapons, forge ties with other jihad groups and leaders, and plot and staff terrorist schemes. While Bin Ladin maintained his own al Qaeda guesthouses and camps for vetting and training recruits, he also provided support to and benefited from the broad infrastructure of such facilities in Afghanistan made available to the global network of Islamist movements. U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction in Bin Ladin-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000.78

In addition to training fighters and special operators, this larger network of guesthouses and camps provided a mechanism by which al Qaeda could screen and vet candidates for induction into its own organization. Thousands flowed through the camps, [B][SIZE="4"]but no more than a few hundred seem to have become al Qaeda members.[/SIZE][/B] From the time of its founding, al Qaeda had employed training and indoctrination to identify "worthy" candidates.79

Al Qaeda continued meanwhile to collaborate closely with the many Middle Eastern groups-in Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, Somalia, and elsewhere-with which it had been linked when Bin Ladin was in Sudan. It also reinforced its London base and its other offices around Europe, the Balkans, and the Caucasus. Bin Ladin bolstered his links to extremists in South and Southeast Asia, including the Malaysian-Indonesian JI and several Pakistani groups engaged in the Kashmir conflict.80

The February 1998 fatwa thus seems to have been a kind of public launch of a renewed and stronger al Qaeda, after a year and a half of work. Having rebuilt his fund-raising network, Bin Ladin had again become the rich man of the jihad movement. He had maintained or restored many of his links with terrorists elsewhere in the world. And he had strengthened the internal ties in his own organization.

The inner core of al Qaeda continued to be a hierarchical top-down group with defined positions, tasks, and salaries. Most but not all in this core swore fealty (or bayat) to Bin Ladin. Other operatives were committed to Bin Ladin or to his goals and would take assignments for him, but they did not swear bayat and maintained, or tried to maintain, some autonomy. A looser circle of adherents might give money to al Qaeda or train in its camps but remained essentially independent. Nevertheless, they constituted a potential resource for al Qaeda.81

Now effectively merged with Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad,82 al Qaeda promised to become the general headquarters for international terrorism, without the need for the Islamic Army Shura. Bin Ladin was prepared to pick up where he had left off in Sudan. He was ready to strike at "the head of the snake."

Al Qaeda's role in organizing terrorist operations had also changed. Before the move to Afghanistan, it had concentrated on providing funds, training, and weapons for actions carried out by members of allied groups. The attacks on the U.S. embassies in East Africa in the summer of 1998 would take a different form-planned, directed, and executed by al Qaeda, under the direct supervision of Bin Ladin and his chief aides.
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Operation Jawbreaker commences

[url]http://www.afji.com/2006/11/2146103[/url]

Special forces and horses
By Max BOot
Excerpted from “War Made New”

The MH-47E Chinook touched down at Landing Zone Albatross at 2:00 A.M. on Friday, October 19, 2001, halfway around the world from New York City, where the remains of the World Trade Center were still smoldering. It had been a harrowing “infil,” or infiltration

What the Americans learned from their Afghan hosts was dismaying. Taliban forces not only had far more men, but they also had artillery, armored cars, and tanks, while the Northern Alliance had no weapons heavier than light machine guns. The Taliban had cars and trucks; the Northern Alliance only horses. The Northern Alliance fighters were dedicated but woefully under equipped. The Green Berets were shocked to see militiamen walking through the snow without socks, their feet clad only in plastic flip-flops, while the Americans were shivering in their heavy mountain gear. Even worse, two-thirds of the Northern Alliance fighters did not have guns.
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From 1996 – 2001 10,000 – 20,000 went through Al Qaeda training.
That would mean between 2000 – 4000 a year or 167 – 333 a month went through this training (this calculation is based on 5 full years when in fact it would have 4 ½ years max) is a highly a culturally segregated group; Sunni Arabs need only apply. The infrastructure required to maintain this constant pipeline would be nearly the same as a large country running a legitimate military boot camp operation. [B]But no more than a few hundred seem to have become al Qaeda members 19 members died on 9/11in aircraft in the United states that is nearly a 4% total loss of al Qaeda members in one day. [/B]

In 2004 presidential campaign Dick Cheney 18 months after the Iraq invasion stated that Al Qaeda was reduced by 80% that would mean there were only 2000 – 4000 total trained were left that was nearly 4 years ago. Or the real Al Qaeda from (But no more than a few hundred seem to have become al Qaeda members) that would mean after that statement there were only 81 members of al qaeda still around in 2004.

These figures of 2000 - 4000 and the 81 real al qaeda was the result from operation Jawbreaker and the 3 to 4 month of total focus in Afghanistan prior to the Neocon elements such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld within the Bush Administration to redirect the United States Military to invade an attack Iraq for no ligetmate reason.

It is with very high probability the 81 Al Qaeda members still in existence never made it into Iraq and the claims of Al Qaeda in Iraq is a creation of the Bush administration. The following articles below prove that this creation of Al Qaeda in Iraq by the Bush administration is an out right fallacy and out right lie and indictment of the fraud by the Bush Administration. The fact that Al Qaeda had no real leadership or command and control; that after the invasion into Afghanistan in October of 2001 (over a year before the 9/11 commission) Al Qaeda would have been driven north while Saddam Hussein and Iran would have never let them pass back to Saudi Arabia to their safe havens.

The fraudulent statements by the Bush Administration are revealed in the article below that in 2007 that 2,400 Al Qaeda were killed in 2007 and another 8,800 captured. That is impossible do to fact it took Osama Bin Laden 5 years to create his original illusionary army with out a hostile environment to contend with. That last article below indicates that there are only 75 Arab Al Qaeda members left in Afghanistan as recent as April 2008 that would make logical sense by following the entire chain of events and time lines.

[B]Take the 81-75 = 6 you have to subtract the two at the top of the chain of command the leaders 6-2 = 4. The two leaders that keep sending out messages to the remaining 73 members and does a question and answers internet shows. From 2004 to the present we have not killed a single member of Al QAEDA. We have just murdered Afghanis’, Iraqis’. and Iranians for OIL!!! [/B]

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FACTBOX - U.S. outlines '07 operations against al Qaeda in Iraq
Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:57pm
[url]http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-31497220080120[/url]

REUTERS - The U.S. military on Sunday gave a summary of last year's operations against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda in Iraq. The military regards the militant group as the greatest threat to peace in Iraq.

Following is key information released at a news conference by U.S. military spokesman Rear Admiral Greg Smith:

** Al Qaeda in Iraq carried out more than 4,500 attacks against civilians in 2007. The group killed 3,870 civilians and wounded nearly 18,000.

** Military operations against al Qaeda in Iraq resulted in the capture of 8,800 militants, while 2,400 were killed. Those operations diminished the control and influence of al Qaeda.

** Captured al Qaeda in Iraq documents showed 750 militants from 22 countries entered Iraq during the 12 months leading up to August 2007. The documents suggested 90 percent of the group's suicide bombers were foreigners.

** Just under half the foreign fighters entering Iraq come from Saudi Arabia, followed by Libya, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia and Morocco.

** The majority of the al Qaeda in Iraq leadership is foreign while the rank-and-file are Iraqi.

** Violence by al Qaeda peaked in March and April of last year, but began to slowly decrease as a U.S. troop build-up reached its peak in the middle of the year.

"[I]Al-Qaeda's leadership was rolled up in fairly short order because it was few to begin with. The Economist now says, "Al-Qaeda probably never had more than a few hundred committed members." [17]. Ted Galen Carpenter of the libertarian Cato Institute tells us to get some perspective: "The closest historical analogy for the radical Islamic terrorist threat ... is the violence perpetrated by anarchist forces during the last third of the 19th century." [18].

Even the current official line, that al-Qaeda was a cohesive organization since gone to seed, is just half true. For example, Spanish police concluded there was no link between al-Qaeda and the Madrid bombings of 2004. Bin Laden never controlled Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or "al-Qaeda in Iraq". [19]. After a four-year investigation, the LA Times' Terry McDermott concluded:

Al-Qaeda itself was never the huge organization its opponents sometimes portrayed. Its core was at most a couple hundred men. [It] sat at the center of ... a web of other like-minded organizations spread across the globe ... but was never in any sense in control of [them].
The tight, operational group around bin Laden was quite small. Then, McDermott's view on the brunt of this article:

One underappreciated aspect of al-Qaeda operations was how crude many of them were. Intelligence analysts sometimes cited the plans' complexity and sophistication, as if blowing up buildings or boats or vehicles was high-end science. In fact, many al-Qaeda plots have been marked by the haphazardness of their design and execution. Over the years, many of the plots seemed harebrained at worst, ill-conceived at best, pursued by ill-equipped and unprepared, inept men. Some were almost comical in their haplessness: boats sank, cars crashed, bombs blew up too soon. Some of the men virtually delivered themselves to police. The gross ineptitude of the execution often disguised the gravity of the intent, and hid, also, the steadfastness of the plotters. [20]. [/I]"
[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JC28Ak06.html[/url]

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Al-Qaeda adds muscle to the Taliban's fight
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - [B]From many hundreds, al-Qaeda now has fewer than 75 Arabs [/B]involved in the Afghan "war on terror" theater, but the group is more lethal in that it has successfully established a local franchise of warriors who have fully embraced al-Qaeda's ideology and who are capable of conducting a war of attrition against the coalition in Afghanistan.

In the years following the United States-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, al-Qaeda lost hundreds of members, either killed or arrested or departed to other regions. These included diehard Arab ideologues such as Mustapha Seth Marium (arrested) and commanders Abu Laith al-Libbi (killed) and Abdul Hadi al-Iraqi (arrested) .

And this month, news of the death in January of Abdul Hameed, alias Abu Obaida al-Misri, from Hepatitis B, was released to

[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JD19Df01.html[/url]

Jesse Hemingway

04-28-2008, 12:37 AM

My take on 9/11
By: Jesse Hemingway

The unraveling of the 9/11 operation is very complex I would have to say an extremely complex operation. Here is my take on the scope of what happened.
9/11 was the crescendo moment stemming back to 1954. We have all had time to
evaluate, re-evaluate, and evaluate the facts and disinformation surrounding
the spectacle of 9/11. I have no hesitation to state that 9/11 was the
catalyst to gain control of the remaining untapped oil reserves of Iraq and
Iran. I personally view 9/11 and the events afterward as three concentric
circles; each of the circles represent the following elements of the
operation. Each of the elements would have their own internal motives for
participation never to be unearthed though.

1.. The oil industrial complex, bush administration, and PNAC
2.. Israel as means to ensure long term stability in that region and a
source of long term finical gains
3.. Sunni faction of Islam (Saudi Arabia the Royal Family) to ensure their
on going wealth while destroying the Shiite faction that sits on the
remaining untapped oil reserves

The oil industry needed to gain control of the oil flow in that region
similar to the method Enron employed by manipulating energy prices in the
United States. This was necessary to recapture wealth from China and India
as their economies were expanding after 9/11 they became forced to pay
triple the price for their oil. Israel would have been reduced to do the
dirty work in the operation they had no resources to bring to the operation
but willing to become part of it via elements within PNAC. Israel would gain
a stake in the operation by wiring the World Trade Centers also the leverage
of the knowledge of the scope of the operation (Mukasey and AIPAC) . The
Sunnis wealth is dwindling as their oil reserves are rapidly decreasing;
while facing the reality that the Shiites would increase in power in the
region with their oil reserves. This would cause a serious change in the
balance of power in that region while both Islamic sects considering each
other as herertical doctrine and natural enemies for thousands of years. The
United States would destroy the Sunnis natural enemy for them that's why
they are presently stuck on the 70/30 split of the oil.

If you follow this network back all three of the concentric circles had made
dramatic inroads during the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi
Arabia was matching dollar for dollar that the United States was covertly
funding the Mujaheddin. These entire funds were transferred through Israel
to purchase the weapons for the Mujaheddin. The network existed they just
need a plan to pull off any future heists. This means that the Mujaheddin
had been infiltrated by Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia from day one. This
would mean that the Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia are really Al-Qaeda.

I would call this story below collaborating with terrorist

IDF choppers in service of drug cartel

Published on Sunday, April 27, 2008.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6379

Source: YNetNews

American officials demand Israel provide explanations for how U.S.-made choppers sold to Israel ended up in service of Columbian drug cartel. Incident may cloud relations between countriesa

Another diplomatic incident threatens to taint U.S.-Israeli relations: The American government has recently demanded Israel clarify how five U.S.-made helicopters sold to Israel in the mid-70s found their way into the hands of a Columbian drug cartel.

An U.S. embassy official met with an Israeli foreign ministry official in Jerusalem several days ago, where he informed him that the American Foreign Ministry has requested the embassy to launch an investigation into the matter.
According to American sources, the military copters currently serve the drug mafia in the South American country.

Top diplomatic sources fear that this incident will once again heat-up tensions between Israel and the U.S. and cloud the strategic dialogue between the two countries, which is scheduled to renew in November, after talks were suspended for more than a year-and-a-half.

Kosher deal went sour

The dubious affair, which was already investigated by the Israeli Defense Ministry, and later turned over to the hands of the police, was uncovered about two years ago.

Investigators revealed that the Defense Ministry signed a deal with an Israeli company three years ago, contracting it to negotiate the sale of five IAF helicopters for a sum of USD 100,000 per aircraft.

The ministry permitted the choppers, of a MD 500 Defender model, be sold either to the Mexican federal police, or to the Spain firefighters department. However, contrary to the terms of the license, the copters ended up in Columbia, by way of Canadian mediators.

Jesse Hemingway

04-28-2008, 11:56 AM

Raw footage of both towers collapsing, bring on any skeptic.

There is a pattern prior to the collapses of both WTC?s

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=911+Eyewitness+-+VO+ST+FR

What is extremely troubling in my observation of this video is that just a couple of seconds prior to each of World Trade Center towers collapse a helicopter comes in very close to the tops WTC towers. When you watch the video pay attention, just seconds prior to the beginning of the free fall, a helicopter comes in very close then the buildings fall. Both of the helicopters enter almost the exact same position of the towers just seconds before the?

Jesse Hemingway

04-28-2008, 09:37 PM

I would like you to say 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, stop close your eyes what do you honestly feel? Is it some type of trepidation? Be honest with yourself why do you feel that?

Now as you read the articles below those are physical facts the heat generated seven floors below the ground for the length of time is totally impossible to have occurred; with the fuel sources available and location of the initial fire that is an absolute truth.

The fear you feel when you say 9/11 can not be more powerful then the truth.

Monday, April 28, 2008
Molten STEEL Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months After 9/11

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/04/molten-steel-flowed-under-ground-zero.html

In response to the numerous reports of molten metal under ground zero, defenders of the official version of 9/11 have tried to argue that it was not steel, but some other kind of metal with a lower melting point.

Well, here are what top experts who eyewitnessed the molten metal say:
The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC purportedly described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks (page 3)

A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said "in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire--which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December"

The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel"
Hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, "There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red" and "the blaze is so 'far beyond a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires" (pay-per-view)

An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures" (pay-per-view). Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them
According to reporter Christopher Bollyn, Mark Loizeaux, president the world's top demolition company, and Peter Tully, head of a large construction firm, said the following:
Tully told AFP that he had seen pools of “literally molten steel” in the rubble.

Loizeaux confirmed this: “Yes, hot spots of molten steel in the basements,” he said, “at the bottom of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels.”

The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” he said. He confirmed that molten steel was also found at WTC 7, which mysteriously collapsed in the late afternoon.

Jesse Hemingway

05-17-2008, 01:05 PM

Headlined on 5/14/08:
Rumsfeld's Mind: If 9/11 Worked, Why Not Try it Again
by Rob Kall Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

Call me a conspiracy theorist. But when Donald Rumsfeld spoke, in late 2006, to the pentagon propagandists the NY Times recently exposed, he, in opining the loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, suggested that “the US could benefit from another terrorist attack,” Jason Linkin of the Huffington post reports.

“As documented by Newsvine, it all went down at a valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted for those analysts on December 12, 2006. Many of the "message force multipliers" named in the original New York Times piece were in attendance, including David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. They were treated to an extraordinary conversation (Newsvine has highlights, the hour-long clip of which can be found here) with Rumsfeld, that included many jaw-dropping moments, such as Rumsfeld admitting that in Iraq, the U.S. "can't lose militarily, but...can't win by military means alone," an agreement that Iraq could use a Syngman Rhee-type dictator (because that's what democracy smells like!), and a lengthy passage where Rumsfeld jokingly offers a bottle of champagne to anyone who could kill Moqtada al Sadr. You sure don't see too many people joking on al Sadr these days!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_080514_rumsfeld_s_mind_3a_if_.htm

Jesse Hemingway

05-27-2008, 11:01 AM

My Executive summary on 9/11

By: Jesse Hemingway

The unraveling of the 9/11 operation is very complex I would have to say an extremely complex operation. Here is my take on the scope of what happened. 9/11 was the crescendo moment stemming back to 1952(when the oil industry hand picked Eisenhower?s cabinet). We have all had time to evaluate, re-evaluate, and evaluate the facts and disinformation surroundingthe spectacle of 9/11. I have no hesitation to state that 9/11 was the catalyst to gain control of the remaining untapped oil reserves of Iraq and Iran as evidence is coming in day by day. Saudi Arabia had knowingly misrepresented their oil reserves during both the Bush and Clintons presidencies from 1988 ? 2001 and the reality is coming home to roost NOW. I personally view 9/11 and the events prior to September 11, 2001 and ongoing as three concentric circles; each of the circles represent the following elements of the operation. Each of the elements would have their own internal motives for participation never to be unearthed though.

1.. The oil industrial complex, bush administration, and PNAC

2..Elements within Israel; as means to ensure long term stability in that region and a source of long term financial gains

3.. Sunni faction of Islam (Saudi Arabia the Royal Family) to ensure their
on going wealth while destroying the Shiite faction that sits on the
remaining untapped oil reserves

The oil industry needed to gain control of the oil flow in that region
similar to the method Enron employed by manipulating energy prices in the
United States. This was necessary to recapture wealth from China and India
as their economies were expanding after 9/11 they became forced to pay
triple the price for their oil. Israel would have been reduced to do the
dirty work in the operation they had no resources to bring to the operation
but willing to become part of it via elements within PNAC. Israel would gain
a stake in the operation by wiring the World Trade Centers also the leverage
of the knowledge of the scope of the operation (Mukasey and AIPAC) . The
Sunnis wealth is dwindling as their oil reserves are rapidly decreasing;
while facing the reality that the Shiites would increase in power in the
region with their oil reserves. This would cause a serious change in the
balance of power in that region while both Islamic sects considering each
other as herertical doctrine and natural enemies for thousands of years. The
United States would destroy the Sunnis natural enemy for them that's why
they are presently stuck on the 70/30 split of the oil.

"The IEA, employing a team of 25 analysts, is trying to shed light on some of the industry's best-kept secrets by assessing the health of major fields scattered from Venezuela and Mexico to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. The fields supply over two-thirds of daily world production."

"The findings won't be definitive. Big producers including Venezuela, Iran and China aren't cooperating, and others like Saudi Arabia typically treat the detailed production data of individual fields as closely guarded state secrets, so it's not clear how specific their contributions will be."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121139527250011387-lMyQjAxMDI4MTIxMjMyOTI1Wj.html

In the chart titled in the above article ?Major Output? as of 2007 the total number of barrels of oil in reserves of the top 10 oil fields is 400 billon barrels. Of the 400 billion of the total reserves in the Saudi Arabia oil fields represent 216 billion barrels or 54%. During the 1990?s when oil was in the price range of $20.00 - $25.00 a barrel Saudi Arabia may have over stated their reserves to borrow against their oil reserves. If in fact this occurred for every 10% over stated by Saudi Arabia represents 5% of all major reserves or 5.4 billion barrels. I would also surmise that minimum over estimates would be in the minimum range of 30% do to the accuracy of the nature of oil a liquid underground would have a significant margin of error or deviation. At $25.00 a barrel that would yield a $405 billon over estimate in oil reserves by Saudi Arabia using a conservative figure of 30%.

After 9/11 and at the onset of the Iraq invasion by the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion. Using strictly a business decision model these figures would make the invasion of Iraq a low risk venture. (That is excluding all loss of human life and human injuries) Since the total and complete mismanagement of this scheme the cost of oil has a direct relationship to the cost of the war. If in fact this was a real war on terror then the analogous cost of the oil and war would not have a correlated effect. This also has a strong indication that oil reserves have been inaccurate long before 9/11

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/washington/19cost.html

More fuel:Further Evidence of Saudi Arabia's Oil Production Decline
Posted by Khebab on April 10, 2007 - 11:30am

Saudi Arabia's Decline means that the World's Production will not supply the Forecast Demand
The forecast in Figure 1 assumes that old small fields such as Khursaniyah (AFK), Khurais and Manifa can deliver huge increases in production. Figure 5 shows these forecasts to be overoptimistic (Matt Simmons would probably agree).

It is highly unlikely that Saudi Arabia will ever produce more than 8.5 million bpd (Crude Oil and Lease Condensate). This means that if any supply disruption or sudden demand increase occurs, do not assume that Saudi Arabia can be ?called? upon to supply extra oil. Assume that oil price shocks are likely to occur starting the middle of this year as shown below.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2429

Saudi Arabian oil declines 8% in 2006
Posted by Stuart Staniford on March 2, 2007
The second and more natural interpretation is even more disturbing: the mighty Ghawar oil field is already in decline, and the Saudis don't want anyone to know.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2325/

If you follow this network back all three of the concentric circles had made
dramatic inroads during the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi
Arabia was matching dollar for dollar that the United States was covertly
funding the Mujaheddin (Only a fool would believe that Osama Bin Laden flipped from his position as the director and conduit for the Saudi Arabia capital venture of matching dollar for dollar with the United States investment during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan operation. To become a born again Islamic fundamentalist nut Osama Bin Laden would have been killed by the real Islamic fundamentalists) {think about it please}. These entire funds were transferred through Israel
to purchase the weapons for the Mujaheddin. The network existed they just
need a plan to pull off any future heists. This means that the Mujaheddin
had been infiltrated by Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia from day one. This
would mean that the Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia are really Al-Qaeda.

Information I needed to come to My Executive summary on 9/11.
Recent Factual Data from the Saudi Arabia oil reserves to establish a clear motive for igniting such a horrendous act on the American people on 9/11/2001. We can now understand what the message was at Vice President Richard Cheney?s secret energy meetings ?Saudi Arabia is nearly out of their oil reserves? Iran and Iraq oil reserves have been manipulated since 1954 by United States intervention and have been kept off the market. So lets Getter done.
Abdullah Azzam was the real leader of the movement Osama Bin Laden was the front man for Mossad. CIA, and Saudi Arabia. Abdullah Azzam knew Osama Bin Laden worked for Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia this that is why he was executed on November 24, 1989 because Abdullah Azzam could bring down the Osama Bin Laden front. The new and improved version of Al-Qaeda sponsored by Mossad, CIA, and Saudi Arabia came to fruition. That is why attorney general Michael Mukasey (Mossad agent) prosecuted the first WTC bombers because he knew they were set up. Now Mukasey is his position to protect his true interests and make sure George W. Bush does not screw up the scheme

From 9/11 Commission Chapter 2.3
footnote: Abdullah Azzam was the real leader "Though Azzam had been considered number one in the MAK, by August 1988 Bin Ladin was clearly the leader (emir) of al Qaeda."

A decade of conflict in Afghanistan, from 1979 to 1989, gave Islamist extremists a rallying point and training field. A Communist government in Afghanistan gained power in 1978 but was unable to establish enduring control. At the end of 1979, the Soviet government sent in military units to ensure that the country would remain securely under Moscow's influence. The response was an Afghan national resistance movement that defeated Soviet forces.19

Young Muslims from around the world flocked to Afghanistan to join as volunteers in what was seen as a "holy war"-jihad-against an invader. The largest numbers came from the Middle East. Some were Saudis, and among them was Usama Bin Ladin.

Twenty-three when he arrived in Afghanistan in 1980, Bin Ladin was the seventeenth of 57 children of a Saudi construction magnate. Six feet five and thin, Bin Ladin appeared to be ungainly but was in fact quite athletic, skilled as a horseman, runner, climber, and soccer player. He had attended Abdul Aziz University in Saudi Arabia. By some accounts, he had been interested there in religious studies, inspired by tape recordings of fiery sermons by Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian and a disciple of Qutb. Bin Ladin was conspicuous among the volunteers not because he showed evidence of religious learning but because he had access to some of his family's huge fortune. Though he took part in at least one actual battle, he became known chiefly as a person who generously helped fund the anti-Soviet jihad.20

April 1988 brought victory for the Afghan jihad. Moscow declared it would pull its military forces out of Afghanistan within the next nine months. As the Soviets began their withdrawal, the jihad's leaders debated what to do next.

Bin Ladin and Azzam agreed that the organization successfully created for Afghanistan should not be allowed to dissolve. They established what they called a base or foundation (al Qaeda) as a potential general headquarters for future jihad.24 Though Azzam had been considered number one in the MAK, by August 1988 Bin Ladin was clearly the leader (emir) of al Qaeda. This organization's structure included as its operating arms an intelligence component, a military committee, a financial committee, a political committee, and a committee in charge of media affairs and propaganda. It also had an Advisory Council (Shura) made up of Bin Ladin's inner circle.25

Bin Ladin's assumption of the helm of al Qaeda was evidence of his growing self-confidence and ambition. He soon made clear his desire for unchallenged control and for preparing the mujahideen to fight anywhere in the world. Azzam, by contrast, favored continuing to fight in Afghanistan until it had a true Islamist government. And, as a Palestinian, he saw Israel as the top priority for the next stage.26

Whether the dispute was about power, personal differences, or strategy, it ended on November 24, 1989, when a remotely controlled car bomb killed Azzam and both of his sons. The killers were assumed to be rival Egyptians. The outcome left Bin Ladin indisputably in charge of what remained of the MAK and al Qaeda.27

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch2.htm

The Shooting gallery

Compare the 9/11 Commissions explanation of Sheikh Abdullah Azzam assassination in the post above and this article. It?s obvious someone is with holding information or planting disinformation you will to have thread the needle of the syllogism by yourself. The 9/11 commission relayed profoundly on information gathered through water boarding their witnesses.

"Bin Laden?s mentor Sheikh Abdullah Azzam is killed by a car bomb in Afghanistan. The killing is never solved. Azzam has no shortage of enemies. Suspects include the Mossad, CIA, Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the ISI, and bin Laden. The reason bin Laden is suspected is because he and Azzam were increasingly at odds over what approach to take since the Soviet Union had been driven from Afghanistan earlier in the year ."

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a112489azzamkilled#a112489azzamki lled

This link makes the United States government version of the "Offical" 9/11 commission report look like child's work.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

Jesse Hemingway

05-27-2008, 12:31 PM

How in the F$KK did Osama Bin Laden Know?

How did Osama Bin Laden know that from 1988-2000 that the Saudi Royal family was cooking the books on their known oil reserves with the help of the Bush family and Bill Clinton to borrow against those reserves reminds me of the mortgage crisis. Just like filling out one those bogus home loans, it works like this how much money do you need and who is your broker?

Prince Bandar: I need $100,000,000,000.00

Bill Clinton: that is no problem I see you are using the Bush Family as your broker

Prince Bandar: I have my last loan papers

Bill Clinton: that is great let me see them I see George H. Bush had you use a pencil in filling them out. We have a special deal today if you donate to one of my favorite charities by the way here is a brochure they are building library in Arkansas.

Prince Bandar: Will it speed up the process?

Bill Clinton: Yes it will: and for every $10,000,000.00 you donate to a Clinton approved charity you can borrow another $1,000,000,000.00

Prince Bandar: Hum the bush family was charging me $20,000,000.00 for their Bush family approved charity.

Bill Clinton: Of course that is why I said the special was just for today only.

Prince Bandar: Sounds good what should I do now.

Bill Clinton: Just erase your stated oil reserves and plug in a new number, I see that you have worn a hole in that section of the loan papers, let me get some white out. Remember that last number you used, on the last loan against your oil reserves 200,000 billon barrels it looks like.

Prince Bandar: should I write in 400,000 billion barrels?

Bill Clinton: Let?s say 325,000 billion barrels just incase you need some more money later we just add to it then.

So if Osama Bin Laden has been on a religious retreat for all those years planning 9/11 not known the stealing that has been occurring between the USA and the Holy land of Saudi Arabia. Yet the lost spiritual child ends up bailing out the Bush?s, Clinton?s, and the Saudi Royal family of their escapades. Dam another 9/11 anomaly I guess.

Jesse Hemingway

06-01-2008, 02:00 PM

Pinning the blame for 9/11
Special Report: A Phila. law firm wages an epic legal battle to win billions from Saudi Arabia.
By Chris Mondics

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Less than a mile from the mournful place in Lower Manhattan where the World Trade Center came crashing to the ground, in a hushed federal courthouse, a small band of Philadelphia lawyers is prying loose secrets of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080531_Pinning_the_blame_for_terror.html

Jesse Hemingway

06-05-2008, 02:31 AM

February 09, 2008
Sky's eye over the Arabian Desert
The Oil Drum calls our attention to Satellite O'er the Desert, a website devoted to trying to interpret Google satellite images from Saudi Arabia.

Satellite O'er the Desert is produced by someone calling himself "Joules Burn" (who says scientists lack a sense of humor)? JB was inspired by the careful effort by Oil Drum's Stuart Staniford to sift through the limited information publicly available to try to ascertain the current production status of Ghawar, the world's greatest oil field, which in recent years has accounted for perhaps 6% of total world oil production all by itself. I discussed the implications of Stuart's findings in a post at Econbrowser and an article in Atlantic; (by the way, the publisher has now made the latter openly available to all).

JB's contribution is to note that the satellite images from Google Earth allow us to identify the precise location of individual wells in the Arabian Desert. For example, the photograph below shows two wells side by side. By following their respective pipelines (an arching northeast curve from the well on the left, and a jagged southeast line from the well on the right), JB determined that the well on the left was producing gas, while the one on the right was producing oil.

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/02/skys_eye_over_t.html

Jesse Hemingway

06-07-2008, 02:10 PM

On the morning of 9/11, where were Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
Lions At the Gate: Our Leaders on 9/11

On Sept. 11th 2001, three men were primarily responsible for taking charge of our national defenses to protect this nation from harm: The President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Vice President. On that day, only one was in charge, by design. these three videos lay out the activities of those three men for those 2 hours of tragedy. where they were, what they did, and why. They are based on the official reports and national record. Once you see all three, the picture of what happened that day may be just a little clearer. At the end of the three videos is an article from 2007 about what Rumsfeld did that day based on testimony from other Pentagon insiders as well as his Secret Service agent at the time. You will see that the events laid out in the video match up with the insider story perfectly. (videos from 9/11 Blogger)

Where was Rumsfeld?

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7080

Jesse Hemingway

06-08-2008, 02:20 PM

The question we should all be asking is what makes Iran so dangerous?

By: Jesse Hemingway

Iran and Iraq with their large number of the Islamic Shia religious sect are they really such a massive threat; with the puny suspected, alleged, and well documented facts that they do not have nuclear weapon ambitions. Versus the empirical fact that they now control nearly 700 billion barrels of known oil reserves and all the economic power that is bestowed with that vast amount of wealth. The heavy handed oil driven United States foreign policy has come home to roost. That United States foreign policy that emanated in the 1952 republican majority congress, yes that prodigal son foreign policy is knocking on all Americans door now asking for? Who has kept back and held Iraq’s and Iran’s oil from the free market? Off the markets since 1952 who has effectively keep both countries in a constant state of atrophy and war, come on we all know the answer.

Let’s weigh the reality Iran makes a couple nuclear weapons may be in 10 – 20 years scare me. As the oil rich Sunnis nations are running out of oil which is very highly likely to occur with in 5 years caused by increase world wide oil demands. The Sunnis nations have been allowed to over state their oil reserves from at least 1988 to the present this is a fact that the oil industry has confirmed a decline in Sunni nation’s oil production out put. (You can only decline once oil production has crossed the half way point) Yes they have been over stating their reserves to borrow from the World Bank with the blessing of the United States presidents during those years. I bet you that this method is a great way to get a presidential library funded and election contributions you could even purchase the entire United States government.

From 1952 – 1960 that method of manipulating natural resources occurred over stating the purchases of the material and actual inventory on hand, their was an 8 billon dollar discrepancy in 1950’s dollar values. At that point it was the largest transfer of wealth in United States history. President John F. Kennedy ordered and obscure investigation into the strategic stockpile the findings of that investigation would have turned the United States political landscape into mayhem. Then the media said Lee Harvey Oswald killed the president by the evidence cultivated from a presidential Executive Order initiated by the new president. Here is a huge secret; presidential Executive Orders carry no, zero, and nada Constitutional authority in any criminal investigation. That is funny; the method chosen to investigate the murder of a president is a nebulas administrative law function that carries no constitutional gravity, the only minor authority of an Executive Order is that the President can authorize something as dismal as changing letter head on government forms.

It worked in 1963 the Executive Order to allow the media to convict Lee Harvey Oswald over the airwaves and print. Then 9/11 occurred it took nearly two years to create the Executive Order to investigate another criminal act on the American people. This time it is to cover up the manipulation of natural resources again, it is again dramatically over stated oil inventory then in reality exist. The demand for oil in the 1990’s started growing exponentially outpacing the fraudulent stated inventory levels thus leading to a scheme against the entire world. The only way to adjust oil inventory is to bust open the Iraq and Iran piggy bank and commingle their oil reserves then after that start addressing the rapidly dwindling oil resources.

After 54 years of keeping the jack boot heel of the United States foreign policy on the throats of Iraq and Iran we should be afraid of nonexistent nuclear weapons or the fact the Shia are now the most power oil group in the world. Truly the only fears that exist is among the thieves that put themselves into this position a small handful of people that are committed to making the entire world suffer because of their greed. I personally think that this cabal regardless of their nationality be placed in front of a world court be tried and then move on.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3964957.ece

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121139527250011387-lMyQjAxMDI4MTIxMjMyOTI1Wj.html

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2429

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/02/skys_eye_over_t.html