9/11 stuff

[Jesse Hemingway]

9/11/01 Was an American Coup by Israel & the robber class Read on.

http://rediscover911.com/rediscover911.com/Welcome.html:thumbsup:

Who is for TRUTH in the 9/11 Truth Movement? Is it the Truthers themselves, or the Leaders? Are the Leaders interested in naming names--other than vague references to “corporatists, ruling elite, globalists”?

The 9/11 Truth Movement needs to start naming names. Rabbi Dov Zahkeim (Pentagon $2.3 trillion), Paul Wolfowitz (PNAC, World Bank), Larry Silverstein (WTC landlord, $5 billion), for starters.

This website is a collaborative effort by a growing number of members of the 9/11 Truth Movement to bring to light a hidden and forbidden page of the 9/11 picture. We are observing that once this information is brought forward, many members of the movement retreat from it. We are observing that most of our renowned "leaders" steer clear of it.

The predominant focus of the 9/11 Truth movement today is on the "how" and not the "who." We can discuss the "how's" forever. With very little actual hard evidence to examine and very little knowledge of advanced destruction techniques, the discussion is a limited one for most of us. Discussion of the "who" centers on a repetition of the words "inside job" and "our government."

Was it really our government? Was it really an "inside job"?


Names have been cropping up over the past few years. One particular nation benefited enormously from the "terror attack" of 9/11. It is these names, this group, and this nation that many of us don't feel brave enough to talk about. These are the real owners of "international terror," and they have now penetrated our country to its core.


It is time to discuss the invasion.

http://rediscover911.com/rediscover911.com/Welcome.html:thumbsup:

[Pales]

9/11/01 Was an American Coup by Israel & the robber class Read on.

http://rediscover911.com/rediscover911.com/Welcome.html:thumbsup:

Who is for TRUTH in the 9/11 Truth Movement? Is it the Truthers themselves, or the Leaders? Are the Leaders interested in naming names--other than vague references to “corporatists, ruling elite, globalists”?

The 9/11 Truth Movement needs to start naming names. Rabbi Dov Zahkeim (Pentagon $2.3 trillion), Paul Wolfowitz (PNAC, World Bank), Larry Silverstein (WTC landlord, $5 billion), for starters.

This website is a collaborative effort by a growing number of members of the 9/11 Truth Movement to bring to light a hidden and forbidden page of the 9/11 picture. We are observing that once this information is brought forward, many members of the movement retreat from it. We are observing that most of our renowned "leaders" steer clear of it.

The predominant focus of the 9/11 Truth movement today is on the "how" and not the "who." We can discuss the "how's" forever. With very little actual hard evidence to examine and very little knowledge of advanced destruction techniques, the discussion is a limited one for most of us. Discussion of the "who" centers on a repetition of the words "inside job" and "our government."

Was it really our government? Was it really an "inside job"?


Names have been cropping up over the past few years. One particular nation benefited enormously from the "terror attack" of 9/11. It is these names, this group, and this nation that many of us don't feel brave enough to talk about. These are the real owners of "international terror," and they have now penetrated our country to its core.


It is time to discuss the invasion.

http://rediscover911.com/rediscover911.com/Welcome.html:thumbsup:



There were about 30 ConEd firefighter electricians inside in an attempt to cut the power, but they did not come out. But they reported nothing like this from their communications before they died. There is no the govt could have sanitized this as you claim.

[Jesse Hemingway]

There were about 30 ConEd firefighter electricians inside in an attempt to cut the power, but they did not come out. But they reported nothing like this from their communications before they died. There is no the govt could have sanitized this as you claim.
Ok, you are correct there is No Government if there was an investigation would have occured, that could have answered a few questions. The United States political system is just a bunch of spineless leeches playing the United States citizens as if they are different. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Jesse Hemingway]

There were about 30 ConEd firefighter electricians inside in an attempt to cut the power, but they did not come out. But they reported nothing like this from their communications before they died. There is no the govt could have sanitized this as you claim.
Not to smart seeing they did not need to go in to cut the power.

[Pales]

Ok, you are correct there is No Government if there was an investigation would have occured, that could have answered a few questions. The United States political system is just a bunch of spineless leeches playing the United States citizens as if they are different. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


Yes, I would have liked a proper investigation. Though I do not believe there was active US govt involvement in any way. There were a lot of people not doing their jobs and this started in the 70s.

[steve48]

#505 - Pales,

If, as you believe, the USG was not involved in 9-11, why have they worked so assiduously to either destroy, hide or sequester the evidence? Why not open up the top secrecy? All the surveillance tapes around the Pentagon - just release them in full, no redaction. Flight recorders - release the tapes. There is a lot of evidence that has been buried, starting with the metal from the wreckage that would have borne tell-tale marks of explosive or thermite demolition. People who hide or destroy evidence have a reason.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Hopefully the American public will wake the fuck up and realize that these so called idiot savant terrorists that can’t even ignite full cylinders of propane. At the same time the United States government said they were capable enough to fly planes and cause 9/11. Fucking Impossible!!!:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Jesse Hemingway]

Obama staffer wants ‘cognitive infiltration’ of 9/11 conspiracy groups

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm


http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/


In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.



Conspiracy Theories

Cass R. Sunstein
Harvard University - Harvard Law School

Adrian Vermeule
Harvard University - Harvard Law School


January 15, 2008

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#


http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#


http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#

Abstract:
Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe that powerful people have worked together in order to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality. Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups. Various policy dilemmas, such as the question whether it is better for government to rebut conspiracy theories or to ignore them, are explored in this light.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Obama staffer wants ‘cognitive infiltration’ of 9/11 conspiracy groups

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm


http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/


In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.



Conspiracy Theories

Cass R. Sunstein
Harvard University - Harvard Law School

Adrian Vermeule
Harvard University - Harvard Law School


January 15, 2008

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#


http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#


http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585#

Abstract:
Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe that powerful people have worked together in order to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality. Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups. Various policy dilemmas, such as the question whether it is better for government to rebut conspiracy theories or to ignore them, are explored in this light.

Infiltrate groups because????? The United States Government version of 9/11 is fucking bull shit. So let’s protect the status quo and infiltrate any group that has a question. Case closed now it was an inside job just by these government supported actions!!!

[Pales]

#505 - Pales,

If, as you believe, the USG was not involved in 9-11, why have they worked so assiduously to either destroy, hide or sequester the evidence? Why not open up the top secrecy? All the surveillance tapes around the Pentagon - just release them in full, no redaction. Flight recorders - release the tapes. There is a lot of evidence that has been buried, starting with the metal from the wreckage that would have borne tell-tale marks of explosive or thermite demolition. People who hide or destroy evidence have a reason.

People could not keep it a secret and it holds true here.

Of course if thermite or other explosives were used, they would show marks of explosion. But you want a negative proved and that is impossible.

[Jesse Hemingway]

A New Study of the Seismic Signals on September 11, 2001 in New York


Seismic Signals Reveal Explosives Were Used at the WTC on 9/11, according to geophysicist André Rousseau (*)

Doctor André Rousseau, former researcher in geophysics at CNRS and specialist in sound waves, presents us with the results of his analysis of the seismic signals recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York and gives his point of view as a specialist on the question of the destruction of the three towers at the World Trade Center.

[Translated from the original French by SOTT.net]

Seismic signals were recorded on September 11 2001 during the period when the North and South Towers (respectively WTC1 and WTC2) were penetrated and collapsed, as well as during the collapse of Building 7 of the WTC (also known as WTC7), a building which had not been hit by a plane.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

With all due respect to french seismologists, he's fulla crap.
1) Try telling me any seismologist knows what a demolition charge looks like on his equpment.
2) Try telling me any seismologist could know the difference between a demolition charge cooking off and a support beam snapping or debris impacting.


Better yet, instead of telling me, link me to the studies. Link me to the courses that teach a discerning of the above.

[Jesse Hemingway]

With all due respect to french seismologists, he's fulla crap.
1) Try telling me any seismologist knows what a demolition charge looks like on his equpment.
2) Try telling me any seismologist could know the difference between a demolition charge cooking off and a support beam snapping or debris impacting.


Better yet, instead of telling me, link me to the studies. Link me to the courses that teach a discerning of the above.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Mr, gone]

Jesse, IMO there is not much room left for debate. The signs are everywhere. Only those who remain in denial will attempt to refute this reality. America has a very short attention span - as they would rather absorb themselves in video games, sports, Fox news and many other shallow Endeavors. The truth is often too painful for the masses to care.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Sorry dude, but reposting the same pseudo-science ain't gonna cut it.

They're taking a reading and running away with it. What they're reading is either the snapping of the towers and/or the debris hitting.

Wanna refute that? Then show, I ask AGAIN, where the knowledge of telling - thru seismographic equipment - what a demolition charge looks like compared to the physics event of the WTC buildings buckling and crashing due to being on fire after being hit by a airplane.

I'll refrain from silly emots.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Jesse, IMO there is not much room left for debate. The signs are everywhere. Only those who remain in denial will attempt to refute this reality. America has a very short attention span - as they would rather absorb themselves in video games, sports, Fox news and many other shallow Endeavors. The truth is often too painful for the masses to care.

So it would appear.
They prefer boogeymen and pseudo-science over facts and science.
Kinda like JFK conspiracy theorists.

[Trinnity]

Steve48, I'm sorry, you are a friend of mine, I luv ya, BUT

I'm not buying your conspiracy theory. The world trade center was bombed om 1993 under the Clinton admin. Muslim interests tried then and failed, but were successful in 2001.
NO American President would ever want something like that to happen. I understand your mistrust of the govt. Truly I do.
But I don't think any President would orchestrate such a travesty.

Besides, no one could keep such a secret after the fact.

[Jesse Hemingway]

So it would appear.
They prefer boogeymen and pseudo-science over facts and science.
Kinda like JFK conspiracy theorists.

Americans are trained to accept Bullshit as reality; the BP oil spill is an excellent example, it proves you are on you’re own to figure out what is really going on.

[Jesse Hemingway]

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/911_Aircraft_Speed_Deets.html


06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:


A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

[Jesse Hemingway]

AE911Truth Engineer Does for Free what NIST Couldn’t for Millions :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/41-articles/321-ae911truth-engineer-does-for-free-what-nist-couldnt-for-millions.html


News - News Releases By AE911Truth

Written by Dick Scar
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 01:55

One of several burning questions surrounding the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 was: “Where did the sulfur come from that melted some of the structural steel members from the building so much that they looked more like “Swiss cheese”? Sulfur reduces the melting point of iron by producing a eutectic mixture. The New York Times called these pieces of melted steel “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” FEMA documented the “intergranular melting, rapid oxidation, and sulfidation” of the steel members in Appendix C of their May 2002 Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT) Report, yet offered no explanation for this phenomena which required temperatures far in excess of that which office fires or jet fuel could have provided.


Some government officials have attempted to explain the issue away by alleging that the sulfur came from normal building materials like gypsum wallboard. But gypsum wallboard has been used for a hundred years to protect steel structural members and has never “attacked” it before. Independent scientists have found evidence that the sulfur most likely came from thermate. Sulfur is added to thermite (an incendiary used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter) to make thermate. Scientists and engineers have urged the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to perform experiments to determine the source of the sulfur. But despite spending over $20,000,000 NIST failed to do any experiments or provide a working theory.

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/41-articles/321-ae911truth-engineer-does-for-free-what-nist-couldnt-for-millions.html

[Jesse Hemingway]

Ex-Pakistan spy chief: Afghanistan war 'lost cause'


http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/06/ex-pakistan-spy-chief-afghanistan-war-lost-cause/



There was no legitimate reason for the United States to attack Afghanistan, Gul said, because the FBI had no solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the attacks on New York and Washington. "Why has not a single individual connected to 9/11 been caught in America so far, and why hasn't Osama bin Laden been charged?" With no evidence anyone in Afghanistan was involved, there is no way to legitimize the U.S. occupation, Gul said.

The hunt for al-Qaeda does not justify the almost 9-year-old war either, because the global terrorist movement has moved on, Gul said. "The American strategists, the military thinkers, have got to wake up to the reality that al-Qaeda has succeeded in exhausting, drawing out into the wrong direction, to the wrong place, all the allied forces," Gul said, citing Yemen, Somalia and Africa. "For al-Qaeda the center of gravity all along was the Middle East."

[AK Gandy]

Steve48, I'm sorry, you are a friend of mine, I luv ya, BUT

I'm not buying your conspiracy theory. The world trade center was bombed om 1993 under the Clinton admin. Muslim interests tried then and failed, but were successful in 2001.
NO American President would ever want something like that to happen. I understand your mistrust of the govt. Truly I do.
But I don't think any President would orchestrate such a travesty.

Besides, no one could keep such a secret after the fact.
I agree.

The first smart thing I've seen you post.

Albeit, it was a couple of months ago.

What happened since then? :D

.

[Jesse Hemingway]

What is “BuildingWhat?”

http://buildingwhat.org/

A Worldwide Campaign to raise awareness of Building 7

More than eight years after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, New York Supreme Court Justice Edward H. Lehner was hearing arguments in a courtroom less than a mile from Ground Zero about a ballot initiative to launch a new investigation of the 9/11 attacks. When the lawyer for the plaintiffs sponsoring the initiative explained that the 9/11 Commission report left many unanswered questions, including “Why did Building 7 come down,” the Judge replied quizzically, “Building what?”


http://buildingwhat.org/

[Brian_W]

Steve48, I'm sorry, you are a friend of mine, I luv ya, BUT

I'm not buying your conspiracy theory. The world trade center was bombed om 1993 under the Clinton admin. Muslim interests tried then and failed, but were successful in 2001.
NO American President would ever want something like that to happen. I understand your mistrust of the govt. Truly I do.
But I don't think any President would orchestrate such a travesty.

Besides, no one could keep such a secret after the fact.

Not even Barack Obama?
He is after all, a secret Kenyan Muslim.

Everybody knows that. :)

[Moby]

Steve48, I'm sorry, you are a friend of mine, I luv ya, BUT

I'm not buying your conspiracy theory. The world trade center was bombed om 1993 under the Clinton admin. Muslim interests tried then and failed, but were successful in 2001.
NO American President would ever want something like that to happen. I understand your mistrust of the govt. Truly I do.
But I don't think any President would orchestrate such a travesty.

Besides, no one could keep such a secret after the fact.
I am 100% convinced that no US President was involved in 9/11 in any way.

However, can you think of one event that helped the PNAC move forward with their agenda more so than 9/11? Can you even imagine something else that didn't happen that could have possibly help move that agenda more?

While I don't think the President or Cheney were involved, I would not be surprised if other Americans were involved in some way to help push either the exact PNAC agenda or something similar.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Nobody wants to believe the United States government about anything, except for their version of 9/11:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Check out the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSCtR-R9oQ

[Trinnity]

Not even Barack Obama?
He is after all, a secret Kenyan Muslim.

Everybody knows that. :)What evidence to you have to support that claim? Citation, please.

Really, Bri, you're missing a few crayons from your box.
Can you get some counseling or therapy? It might help you.

:lmao2:

[Jesse Hemingway]

What is “BuildingWhat?”

http://buildingwhat.org/

A Worldwide Campaign to raise awareness of Building 7

More than eight years after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, New York Supreme Court Justice Edward H. Lehner was hearing arguments in a courtroom less than a mile from Ground Zero about a ballot initiative to launch a new investigation of the 9/11 attacks. When the lawyer for the plaintiffs sponsoring the initiative explained that the 9/11 Commission report left many unanswered questions, including “Why did Building 7 come down,” the Judge replied quizzically, “Building what?”


http://buildingwhat.org/
Really how comfortable is the United States government in their version of the 9/11 fairytale that they never mentioned World Trade Center building 7.

In other words the United States government is saying that the American Taxpayer is so fucking stupid that we can leave out the collapse of World Trade Center building 7 in our investigation.

If both political parties refuse to investigate the collapse of World Trade Center building 7 then both political parties are the real enemies. :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Trinnity]

You're a nut. :crazzy:

Building 7 was built on COLUMNS.
There were extensive fires.
One corner of the building was just gone.

It came down because one of it's critical columns was damaged and failed .

Don't you have something better to do with your time???

Here's a site you might peruse:
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

[Brian_W]

You're a nut. :crazzy:

Building 7 was built on COLUMNS.
There were extensive fires.
One corner of the building was just gone.

It came down because one of it's critical columns was damaged and failed .

Don't you have something better to do with your time???

Here's a site you might peruse:
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm


Ahhhhh the 9/11 conspiracy thread......one of my favorite discussions. :)

Plus, it's one of the few things Trin and I will ever agree on.

Sadly, I am a wee bit busy this afternoon, so I wont have time to dive into the bullshit pile right now, but maybe later tonight.

:D

[Brian_W]

What evidence to you have to support that claim? Citation, please.

Really, Bri, you're missing a few crayons from your box.
Can you get some counseling or therapy? It might help you.

:lmao2:

it was sarcasm Trin.......

[Trinnity]

I know, Bri. :lmao2:

[slowhand]

I know, Bri. :lmao2:

Yeah, after he told you

I suppose the crayon comment was just friendly sarcasm..You are a fraud, and you're not very good at it either

[Jesse Hemingway]

You're a nut. :crazzy:

Building 7 was built on COLUMNS.
There were extensive fires.
One corner of the building was just gone.

It came down because one of it's critical columns was damaged and failed .

Don't you have something better to do with your time??? I sure in the fuck did not ask for your worthless input anyway:lmao2:

Here's a site you might peruse:BTW here the only fucking site that matters:lmao2: :lmao2:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm



Please give me the page reference from the 9/11 commission report here is the link to the 9/11 report could find your answer concerning building 7 their please.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

[Jesse Hemingway]

You're a nut. :crazzy:

Building 7 was built on COLUMNS.
There were extensive fires.
One corner of the building was just gone.

It came down because one of it's critical columns was damaged and failed .

Don't you have something better to do with your time???

Here's a site you might peruse:
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

I hope you mindless fucks realize that the United States government official version failed to mention the entire damage on the 9/11 attacks;by omitting World Trade Center building 7. Pretty generous of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks to down play the total scope of the damage caused that day by Terrorist Attacks in the offical “EXECUTIVE SUMMARY” :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


“COMMISSION REPORT

Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States”

“EXECUTIVE SUMMARY”

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/about/index.htm

We present the narrative of this report and the recommendations that flow from it to the President of the United States, the United States Congress, and the American people for their consideration. Ten Commissioners-five Republicans and five Democrats chosen by elected leaders from our nation's capital at a time of great partisan division-have come together to present this report without dissent.

We have come together with a unity of purpose because our nation demands it. September 11, 2001, was a day of unprecedented shock and suffering in the history of the United States. The nation was unprepared.


A NATION TRANSFORMED
At 8:46 on the morning of September 11, 2001, the United States became a nation transformed.

An airliner traveling at hundreds of miles per hour and carrying some 10,000 gallons of jet fuel plowed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan. At 9:03, a second airliner hit the South Tower. Fire and smoke billowed upward. Steel, glass, ash, and bodies fell below. The Twin Towers, where up to 50,000 people worked each day, both collapsed less than 90 minutes later.

At 9:37 that same morning, a third airliner slammed into the western face of the Pentagon. At 10:03, a fourth airliner crashed in a field in southern Pennsylvania. It had been aimed at the United States Capitol or the White House, and was forced down by heroic passengers armed with the knowledge that America was under attack.

More than 2,600 people died at the World Trade Center; 125 died at the Pentagon; 256 died on the four planes. The death toll surpassed that at Pearl Harbor in December 1941.

This immeasurable pain was inflicted by 19 young Arabs acting at the behest of Islamist extremists headquartered in distant Afghanistan. Some had been in the United States for more than a year, mixing with the rest of the population. Though four had training as pilots, most were not well-educated. Most spoke English poorly, some hardly at all. In groups of four or five, carrying with them only small knives, box cutters, and cans of Mace or pepper spray, they had hijacked the four planes and turned them into deadly guided missiles.

Why did they do this? How was the attack planned and conceived? How did the U.S. government fail to anticipate and prevent it? What can we do in the future to prevent similar acts of terrorism?

[Trinnity]

You're not going to get anywhere with your truther conspiracy stuff, here.
It's not even worth the time to bother with.
Run along.

[Jesse Hemingway]

You're not going to get anywhere with your truther conspiracy stuff, here.
It's not even worth the time to bother with.
Run along.

all i can say is:http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228

[Truckman]

all i can say is:http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228
Photo created by Jesse HemingwayThat right there says a lot...:banghead: ...Ben

[AK Gandy]

That right there says a lot...:banghead: ...Ben

That same photo of Bush, sucking face with the Sheik......was taken by reporters.

I think the compilation photo was done by JH.

.

[Brian_W]

all i can say is:http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jesse-h1159649228

Yeah, but you're going to have to say a lot more than that if you want to convince me that the twin towers were brought down by methods other than plane crashes.

[Trinnity]

Yeah, but you're going to have to say a lot more than that if you want to convince me that the twin towers were brought down by methods other than plane crashes.Don't get your hopes up, Bri, he's a ding dong. :banana:

Or to be more precise....what was that enlightened and sophisticated term he used? "mindless fucK" ?

:lmao2: :lmao2: :D

[Sephiri]

I always get amused after 9 years, the truthers can't come up with anything new. No new evidence, same ole copy and paste sites...year after year.


you think eventually they would understand they keep running in circles.


But, again...it is amusing.

[Jesse Hemingway]

I always get amused after 9 years, the truthers can't come up with anything new. No new evidence, same ole copy and paste sites...year after year.


you think eventually they would understand they keep running in circles.


But, again...it is amusing.

Shocking cable: US says Saudi donors are chief financiers of al Qaeda

11/29/2010
A quick aside in a New York Times article about leaked diplomatic cables is sure to spark renewed interest about the role of the US' biggest ally in the Gulf supporting terrorism.

In their wide-ranging précis of the leaked cables, Times reporters Scott Shane and Andrew Lehren mention in passing a key detail from one of the diplomatic dispatches: "Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda."

The admission is stunning, though it has been largely kept from public view, and hasn't been admitted previously at such a high level. The "Blue Ribbon" Sept. 11, 2001 report noted that al Qaeda had raised money in Saudi Arabia but that no senior officials had provided material support.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/shocker-admits-saudi-donors-chief-financiers-al-qaeda-leaked-cable/

[Brian_W]

Shocking cable: US says Saudi donors are chief financiers of al Qaeda

11/29/2010
A quick aside in a New York Times article about leaked diplomatic cables is sure to spark renewed interest about the role of the US' biggest ally in the Gulf supporting terrorism.

In their wide-ranging précis of the leaked cables, Times reporters Scott Shane and Andrew Lehren mention in passing a key detail from one of the diplomatic dispatches: "Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda."

The admission is stunning, though it has been largely kept from public view, and hasn't been admitted previously at such a high level. The "Blue Ribbon" Sept. 11, 2001 report noted that al Qaeda had raised money in Saudi Arabia but that no senior officials had provided material support.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/shocker-admits-saudi-donors-chief-financiers-al-qaeda-leaked-cable/


What's the shocking part?

[Sephiri]

What's the shocking part?

this is the smoking gun for 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

:confused:

[Brian_W]

this is the smoking gun for 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

:confused:

Yeah really, I thought Al Queda was just another branch of the CIA

[Jesse Hemingway]

42.9 gallons of jet fuel to produce one ton of
cement"

It takes 5,792,000 btu's to produce one ton of
cement or 42.9 gallons of jet fuel (gallon=135,000
btu's). Then it would take the same amount of
energy to release cement back to dust. The planes
hitting the WTC's were carrying 10,000 gallons of
jet fuel or enough to turn 233.1 tons of cement
into dust. That would mean there was zero BTU's
for other energy transfer (such as starting fires
bending metal).:hi: :hi: :hi:

[Brian_W]

42.9 gallons of jet fuel to produce one ton of
cement"

It takes 5,792,000 btu's to produce one ton of
cement or 42.9 gallons of jet fuel (gallon=135,000
btu's). Then it would take the same amount of
energy to release cement back to dust. The planes
hitting the WTC's were carrying 10,000 gallons of
jet fuel or enough to turn 233.1 tons of cement
into dust. That would mean there was zero BTU's
for other energy transfer (such as starting fires
bending metal).:hi: :hi: :hi:

I just climbed out of the bed with a splitting headache and I have yet to wake up completely. So my thinking cap is not on straight yet.

But I'm here to tell you that this "calculation" is as flawed as it gets.

heat is given off while concrete is curing. It's a byprodut of the chemical reaction.

[T-Cat]

I just climbed out of the bed with a splitting headache and I have yet to wake up completely. So my thinking cap is not on straight yet.

But I'm here to tell you that this "calculation" is as flawed as it gets.

heat is given off while concrete is curing. It's a byprodut of the chemical reaction.His logic is as flawed as it gets. The heat from the burning jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust, it set fire to the materials inside the buildings. What turned much of the concrete into dust was the release of the buildings' gravitational potential energy, over 250,000 tons of concrete and steel which had an average height of a little over 680 feet. Dropping a quarter of a million tons from that sort of height releases a tremendous amount of energy.

[Brian_W]

His logic is as flawed as it gets. The heat from the burning jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust, it set fire to the materials inside the buildings. What turned much of the concrete into dust was the release of the buildings' gravitational potential energy, over 250,000 tons of concrete and steel which had an average height of a little over 680 feet. Dropping a quarter of a million tons from that sort of height releases a tremendous amount of energy.

Gravitational potential energy.

What sort of voodoo mumbo jumbo is that? :D

Those buildings were dustified by space rays....the evidence is right there in front of us. Judy Wood said so. :lmao2:

[T-Cat]

Gravitational potential energy.

What sort of voodoo mumbo jumbo is that? :D

Those buildings were dustified by space rays....the evidence is right there in front of us. Judy Wood said so. :lmao2:They use those rays to create undersea earthquakes too. They come in handy for all sorts of things. The only drawback is you have to be insane to see their effects.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Gravitational potential energy.

What sort of voodoo mumbo jumbo is that? :D

Those buildings were dustified by space rays....the evidence is right there in front of us. Judy Wood said so.

You proved just how stupid I thought you really are; that is what 9/11 is all about gravitational potential energy. How did more gravitational potential energy get released on that day 9/11 then what was stored in the WTC. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[T-Cat]

You proved just how stupid I thought you really are; that is what 9/11 is all about gravitational potential energy. How did more gravitational potential energy get released on that day 9/11 then what was stored in the WTC. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:Show your calculations for how much gravitational potential energy was released. And then show your calculations for how much "more" energy you think was released.

[Jesse Hemingway]

His logic is as flawed as it gets. The heat from the burning jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust, it set fire to the materials inside the buildings. What turned much of the concrete into dust was the release of the buildings' gravitational potential energy, over 250,000 tons of concrete and steel which had an average height of a little over 680 feet. Dropping a quarter of a million tons from that sort of height releases a tremendous amount of energy.


:disbelief: It took over 4 years for someone to come up with the correct answer on gravitational potential energy. How did that same energy keep the metal in a liquid state for many weeks and the molten metal coming out of the WTC before it hit the ground? If you watch the WTC come down an idiot can see far more energy was released then stored.:disbelief: :disbelief: :disbelief:

[Jesse Hemingway]

His logic is as flawed as it gets. The heat from the burning jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust, it set fire to the materials inside the buildings. What turned much of the concrete into dust was the release of the buildings' gravitational potential energy, over 250,000 tons of concrete and steel which had an average height of a little over 680 feet. Dropping a quarter of a million tons from that sort of height releases a tremendous amount of energy.

I thought I said cement :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[T-Cat]

:disbelief: It took over 4 years for someone to come up with the correct answer on gravitational potential energy. How did that same energy keep the metal in a liquid state for many weeks and the molten metal coming out of the WTC before it hit the ground? If you watch the WTC come down an idiot can see far more energy was released then stored.:disbelief: :disbelief: :disbelief:Jesse, you didn't answer my question.

1. Show your calculations for how much gravitational potential energy was released.

2. Show your calculations for how much "more" energy you think was released.

[T-Cat]

I thought I said cement :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:You "thought" you said cement. And?

[Jesse Hemingway]

Jesse, you didn't answer my question.

1. Show your calculations for how much gravitational potential energy was released.

2. Show your calculations for how much "more" energy you think was released.

I thought the United States government was responsible for that crime scene of course that investigation was corrupt from the start. So you have to take each piece of visual evidence and work from their.

[T-Cat]

I thought the United States government was responsible for that crime scene of course that investigation was corrupt from the start. So you have to take each piece of visual evidence and work from their.Jesse, are you incapable of showing the calculations for what I asked? It would appear so. You don't need any specific "crime scene" knowledge to do those calculations.

[Jesse Hemingway]

You "thought" you said cement. And?:banghead:
Concrete is the reaction after water is added remember the 42.9 gallons of jet fuel it took to take the water out to make the ton of cement. :banghead: :banghead:

[MintJulep]

:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

[T-Cat]

:banghead:
Concrete is the reaction after water is added remember the 42.9 gallons of jet fuel it took to take the water out to make the ton of cement. :banghead: :banghead:Jesse, the water was already gone from the concrete, that's what happens when it cures. The jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust. The building collapsing upon itself turned most of the concrete into dust.

Now I will wait for your calculations for the energy of the WTC collapses.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Jesse, are you incapable of showing the calculations for what I asked? It would appear so. You don't need any specific "crime scene" knowledge to do those calculations.
Once you exceed 234 tons of cement turning into dust you have exceed the energy available in the Jet Fuel so that reduces the Jet Fuel to a value of ZERO. Gravitational potential energy can not exceed what is stored; it obvious to the naked eye that what ever high explosives was used they went way over board. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Jesse Hemingway]

Jesse, the water was already gone from the concrete, that's what happens when it cures. The jet fuel didn't turn concrete into dust. The building collapsing upon itself turned most of the concrete into dust.

Now I will wait for your calculations for the energy of the WTC collapses.
I thought you were smarter then t-cat.

[T-Cat]

Once you exceed 234 tons of cement turning into dust you have exceed the energy available in the Jet Fuel so that reduces the Jet Fuel to a value of ZERO. Gravitational potential energy can not exceed what is stored; it obvious to the naked eye that what ever high explosives was used they went way over board. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:Again you are wrong, the jet fuel didn't turn anything into dust. It burned and started a large fires on several floors.

Jesse, why can't you provide the calculations I asked for which you implied that you knew? If you were just shitting then fine, just say so.

[T-Cat]

I thought you were smarter then t-cat.So in other words you can't provide the calculations for the GPE of the WTC towers and how much energy you claim was released. You "know" why the buildings collapsed but can't even begin to show the necessary calculations to support your claim.

[Brian_W]

:banghead:
Concrete is the reaction after water is added remember the 42.9 gallons of jet fuel it took to take the water out to make the ton of cement. :banghead: :banghead:

What.....What the hell are you talking about? :lmao2:

[Brian_W]

Once you exceed 234 tons of cement turning into dust you have exceed the energy available in the Jet Fuel so that reduces the Jet Fuel to a value of ZERO. Gravitational potential energy can not exceed what is stored; it obvious to the naked eye that what ever high explosives was used they went way over board. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

I've heard some rambling nonsenical bullshit in my time.

You just won first place. :thumbsup:

[T-Cat]

I've heard some rambling nonsenical bullshit in my time.

You just won first place. :thumbsup:Even better than "steel always wins over aluminum"? Okay that one doesn't have the same sort of rambling quality.

[Roger from Ohio]

You proved just how stupid I thought you really are; that is what 9/11 is all about gravitational potential energy. How did more gravitational potential energy get released on that day 9/11 then what was stored in the WTC. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
I always wondered what was stored in those buildings.
These people just hate answers that prove they are full of shit.

[Roger from Ohio]

He must have run off to find someone to tell him how to answer your questions T-cat

[T-Cat]

He must have run off to find someone to tell him how to answer your questions T-catHe doesn't even know the difference between concrete and cement but "knows" that there was all this extra energy released from something other than the gravitational collapse of the buildings. How much extra? Well that's for us to guess and him to make up.

[Roger from Ohio]

He doesn't even know the difference between concrete and cement but "knows" that there was all this extra energy released from something other than the gravitational collapse of the buildings. How much extra? Well that's for us to guess and him to make up.
dont forget all that water that was in that concrete/cement... I wonder how long he expected the jet fuel to burn... the jet fuel was already gone when the buildings fell.

[Brian_W]

Even better than "steel always wins over aluminum"? Okay that one doesn't have the same sort of rambling quality.

Right, that's a much simpler form of Bullshit.

Similar to: "they hate us for our freedoms"

[T-Cat]

dont forget all that water that was in that concrete/cement... I wonder how long he expected the jet fuel to burn... the jet fuel was already gone when the buildings fell.But but... the cement.... 233 tons.... gravity is an illusion.... jet fuel.... fairies.... did I mention the cement? Yes and all that water. Every year on average three people drowned in the twin towers from all that cement water.

[T-Cat]

Right, that's a much simpler form of Bullshit.

Similar to: "they hate us for our freedoms"Watch one episode of Desperate Housewives and you will hate yourself for your freedom.

[Brian_W]

But but... the cement.... 233 tons.... gravity is an illusion.... jet fuel.... fairies.... did I mention the cement? Yes and all that water. Every year on average three people drowned in the twin towers from all that cement water.

Free-Fall evaporative nano-thermitic dustification modulation on a scale never before seen during the current laws of physics. The water in the Cement was actually pushed through an NSA wormhole and re-appeared on the moon. Remember India's recent discovery of water on the moon? Coincidence? Prove me wrong if you can.


The evidence is right there......you just have to open your eyes. :lmao2:

[T-Cat]

Free-Fall evaporative nano-thermitic dustification modulation on a scale never before seen during the current laws of physics. The water in the Cement was actually pushed through an NSA wormhole and re-appeared on the moon. Remember India's recent discovery of water on the moon? Coincidence? Prove me wrong if you can.


The evidence is right there......you just have to open your eyes. :lmao2:So the US should have invaded India instead of Iraq, is that what you are saying Brian?

.

:)

[Brian_W]

So the US should have invaded India instead of Iraq, is that what you are saying Brian?

.

:)

Well do you really believe they found that water just by accident?

[T-Cat]

Well do you really believe they found that water just by accident?No... it seems like an unlikely coincidence. And failing to bring it back all the way from the moon to put out those jet fuel fed fires certainly makes it look like they were at the very least cooperating with the terrorists.

[Roger from Ohio]

No... it seems like an unlikely coincidence. And failing to bring it back all the way from the moon to put out those jet fuel fed fires certainly makes it look like they were at the very least cooperating with the terrorists.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION TO PROVE THAT INDIA IS WORKING WITH THE MOON TERRORISTS..... ANY OTHER OUTCOME IS A CONSPIRACY SCANDAL.


.

[T-Cat]

THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION TO PROVE THAT INDIA IS WORKING WITH THE MOON TERRORISTS..... ANY OTHER OUTCOME IS A CONSPIRACY SCANDAL.


.Roger that.

.

[Sephiri]

THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION TO PROVE THAT INDIA IS WORKING WITH THE MOON TERRORISTS..... ANY OTHER OUTCOME IS A CONSPIRACY SCANDAL.


.


As long as Bank of "America" pays for it.

:D

[Jesse Hemingway]

Those exploding reactors in Japan have the same physical signature as the World Trade Center collapse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/14/japan-radiation-leak-cover-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXw3jJ3021o&feature=fvwrel

[Brian_W]

Those exploding reactors in Japan have the same physical signature as the World Trade Center collapse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/14/japan-radiation-leak-cover-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXw3jJ3021o&feature=fvwrel

Well that didn't take long.

What characteristics are similar?

The column of smoke?

[Jesse Hemingway]

FEMA played a critical role in John F Kennedy’s (JFK) murder

Did you know that FEMA played a critical role in John F Kennedy’s (JFK) murder? On April 16, 1973 President Richard Nixon transferred 4.1 billion dollars of critical material from the National stockpile and Critical stockpile into FEMA in a monstrous omnibus bill. Eleven years prior to Richard Nixon jettison of the Presidency of the United States of America. On January 31, 1962 JFK ordered a Senate investigation into both the National stockpile and Critical stockpile demanding to know why those two stockpiles exceed their intended values by billions of dollars. Members of the Warren Commission were also directly involved in those excesses in the stockpiles along with Lyndon B. Johnson.

When I contacted FEMA concerning the materials from the National stockpile and Critical stockpile that were transferred into its control, it was the first they heard of it. No records at all of the material or the value of the material in FEMA records.

From the book “Friendly Fire on Holy Grounds: The Stockpile Conspiracy”

First I would like to say that the thousands of hours of research and the cost of the book it is a great deal. Below is a You Tube Video of JFK talking about the investigation, this investigation did occur it was initiated by JFK yet not a word about it in the Warren Commission!!! About the out come.

Here is the You Tube title and the link below: “President John F. Kennedy's 22nd News Conference, January 31, 1962”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8mZYoTipJ4


“Friendly Fire on Holy Grounds: The Stockpile Conspiracy” chronicles the leads left by John F Kennedy (JFK) the murder victim not the pseudo Warren Commission. Nearly all JFK murder research and researchers emanates from the Warren Commission (WC) out. “Friendly Fire on Holy Grounds: The Stockpile Conspiracy” exposes the criminals with in the WC with potent leads left by JFK and the Senate investigation he ordered on the above video. By using hundreds of New York Times articles from Senator Symington Stockpile investigation as the foundation leaving JFK intentions historical correct. The story methodically compromises the members of the WC, Lyndon B Johnson, and J Edgar Hoover as criminals. Leaving the murdered president alone without his constitutional protections “due process and equal protection” by an unconstitutional WC; JFK murder was the bloody end of the two political party systems in the United States of America.

[Jesse Hemingway]

Great video:


http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/

Two thumbs up!!!

[Sephiri]

Roger that.

.

You stole my line!


:D

[Sephiri]

Well that didn't take long.

What characteristics are similar?

The column of smoke?



JFC.

Whatever, takes all kinds.

[Sephiri]

THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION TO PROVE THAT INDIA IS WORKING WITH THE MOON TERRORISTS..... ANY OTHER OUTCOME IS A CONSPIRACY SCANDAL.


.


:thumbsup:

[Mr, gone]

Great video:


http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/

Two thumbs up!!!

Yes it is Jesse...:thumbsup:

[Jesse Hemingway]

Creating the Intelligence BureaucracyTuesday 6 September 2011
by: Nancy Murray and Kade Crockford, Truthout and ACLU Massachusetts | Special Feature


FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, 1924-1972. Hoover's list of 200,000 "radicals" foreshadowed today's watch lists. (Photo: FBI)
Ten Years Later: Surveillance in the "Homeland"

http://www.truth-out.org/creating-intelligence-bureaucracy/1314135656:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

How odd that Jesse would post this exactly @ 9:11 Pacific time......

Is this an omen??

[Mr, gone]

How odd that Jesse would post this exactly @ 9:11 Pacific time......

Is this an omen??

I didn't think you followed all this 'crazzy' conspiracy stuff Bill. :D

[Bill Cosby]

I didn't think you followed all this 'crazzy' conspiracy stuff Bill. :D

I think this is the first time I posted in this thread..............

I don't believe in conspiracy, but I do believe in omens & other crazy superstitious stuff........:lmao2:

Now I gotta go here in a minute & get my MoJo workin...........lol

[Jesse Hemingway]

New Documents Suggest DoD Watchdog Covered Up Intelligence Unit's Work Tracking 9/11 Terrorists

Sunday 11 September 2011

by: Jeffrey Kaye and Jason Leopold, Truthout | Report

http://www.truth-out.org/new-documents-suggest-defense-department-watchdog-covered-intelligence/1315580290


Truthout had previously reported that the deputy chief of JFIC's Asymmetrical Threats Division, who is identified in government documents by the code name "Iron Man," had produced "numerous original reports, with original imagery, measurements & signatures intelligence, or electronic intelligence, identifying probably [sic] and possible movements and locations of Usama bin Ladin and [Taliban leader] Mullah Omar." The intelligence included "bin Ladin's likely residence in Qandahar ... evidently the house in which Khalid Shaykh Muhammed planned the 9/11 attacks."

However, Iron Man, whose unit also developed original intelligence on al-Qaeda targets, which included the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the documents show, claimed JFIC was told to stop tracking Bin Laden, suspected al-Qaeda terrorists, and members of the Taliban some months prior to 9/11.

Iron Man further alleged that the orders his unit received, as well as the work it conducted, was knowingly withheld from investigators working for the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, who were tasked with probing the circumstances behind the 9/11 attacks.

[Jesse Hemingway]

September 11, 2011

9/11 Not an "Intelligence Failure"
Ray McGovern​ and Jason Leopold​: The intelligence agencies had the information, the question is why didn't they use it

Video link below:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7300

[Darmosiel]

I have heard some conspiracy theories on this including from the guy that was a wrestler then became a Governor. However, I saw the planes go into the buildings...so I'm not completely buying it. The one thing that does bother me is the attack on the Pentagon. No plane ever touched the ground there and yet part of the building blew up. That does seem strange.

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The other thing that is strange about the attack on the Pentagon is the area that was 'hit' stored documents regarding trillions of dollars miscalculation reported by Sec. Rumsfeld a day before.

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[Jesse Hemingway]

Former Sen. Bob Graham calls for new 9/11 investigation
Posted on 09.12.11
By Eric W. Dolan

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/former-sen-bob-graham-calls-for-new-911-investigation/

Former Democratic Senator Bob Graham on Monday called on the U.S. government to reopen its investigation into 9/11 after a report found that links between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were never disclosed by the FBI to the 2002 joint Congressional intelligence committee investigating the attacks.

“In the final report of the congressional inquiry, there was a chapter related primarily to the Saudi role in 9/11 that was totally censored, every word of the chapter has been withheld from the public,” Graham said on MSNBC’s The Dylan Ratigan Show.

[Jesse Hemingway]

06/23/07

The FBI’s report just does not add up
by:Jesse Hemingway

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/06/23/p17776

This report does not add up from the beginning when 75 Saudis left Los Angeles from the fear of the tremor from an earthquake and arrived in Las Vegas before the earthquake even occurred in Los Angeles. Then the 75 Saudis turn into 69 then another 5 went missing bringing the number to 64. That would mean that there are 11 Saudis went unaccounted for by 9/11/01. There was also another group of Saudis in Las Vegas a total of 34 that left on 9/24/01. By the time you get to the end of the report on pages 118,119 and 120 the 98 Saudis turn into only 50 the other 48 nationalities become unidentified. You would think that after such a horrific event on 9/11/2001 this is the best the United States government can do which in fact it is par excellent disinformation. This leaves us with the last question why is the United States Government so good at disinformation?

According to the FBI report (Ref 1) on September 9, 2001 a group of 75 Saudis arrived in Las Vegas because of the fear of an earthquake tremor on 9/8/01. An earthquake occurred on 9/9/01 at 11:59 PM (PST) 1.1 miles SE Beverly Hills California (Ref 2 & 3) Saudis arrived in Las Vegas before the earth quake occurred. (Page 6 Ref 1) This group rented 23 rooms at the Caesar’s Palace and 23 rooms at the Four Seasons Hotel (Page 6 Ref 1). On 9/11/01 the group of Saudis stay at Caesar’s Palace move to the Four Seasons now rent 56 rooms. Another group of 34 Saudis were staying at the Bellagio Hotel (Page 8 Ref 1).

Link to FBI report:http://www.historycommons.org/news.jsp?oid=140393703-423

[Jesse Hemingway]

FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report

Larisa Alexandrovna

Published: Thursday February 28, 2008


http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_documents_contradict_Sept._11_Commission_0228. html



Hijacker had post-9/11 flights scheduled, files say

Newly-released records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request contradict the 9/11 Commission�s report on the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and raise fresh questions about the role of Saudi government officials in connection to the hijackers.

The nearly 300 pages of a Federal Bureau of Investigation timeline used by the 9/11 Commission as the basis for many of its findings were acquired through a FOIA request filed by Kevin Fenton, a 26 year old translator from the Czech Republic. The FBI released the 298-page �hijacker timeline� Feb. 4.

The FBI timeline reveals that alleged hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi, who was aboard the United Airlines flight which crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, had booked a future flight to San Francisco. He also had a ticket for a trip from Casablanca to Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.

[Darmosiel]

Former Sen. Bob Graham calls for new 9/11 investigation
Posted on 09.12.11
By Eric W. Dolan

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/former-sen-bob-graham-calls-for-new-911-investigation/

Former Democratic Senator Bob Graham on Monday called on the U.S. government to reopen its investigation into 9/11 after a report found that links between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were never disclosed by the FBI to the 2002 joint Congressional intelligence committee investigating the attacks.

“In the final report of the congressional inquiry, there was a chapter related primarily to the Saudi role in 9/11 that was totally censored, every word of the chapter has been withheld from the public,” Graham said on MSNBC’s The Dylan Ratigan Show.

That's no surprise. It was released by the media all the pilots in the planes were Saudis and taught in the US how to fly. There was some discussion if I remember correctly about the training they received. Some of the media stated they weren't taught to fly the larger commercial planes and there had to have been another pilot. Yet, we remain friends with the Saudis. I find it a bit suspicious. But what it exactly leads to I don't know. It seems to suggest to me there more to it like most things that the public knows.

[Jesse Hemingway]

IT IS CONCLUSIVE - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE WELL AFTER CRASH
UNITED 93 IN THE VICINITY OF FORT WAYNE, INDIANA AND CHAMPAIGN, ILLINOIS AT TIME OF SHANKSVILLE ALLEGED CRASH
(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - More information has surfaced which conclusively demonstrates the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11, were airborne well after their alleged crashes. This article supplements our last, "ACARS CONFIRMED - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE LONG AFTER CRASH" in which the ACARS system is explained as well as how to determine if a message were received by the aircraft, along with how ground stations are selected through Flight Tracking Protocol based on messages routed to United 175, N612UA. We now have further evidence which places United 93, N591UA, in the vicinity of Champaign, IL, 500+ miles away from the alleged crash site in Shanksville, PA. This information is further corroborated by a (now former) United Airlines Manager of Flight Dispatch Michael J. Winter.

On January 28, 2002, Mr. Winter gave an interview to the FBI at United Headquarters near Chicago, IL(1). During this interview, Mr. Winter reviewed a list of ACARS messages explaining the contents and which messages were received or rejected. The messages provided below are the most significant and fatal to what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. Two messages were routed through the Fort Wayne, Indiana remote ground stations (FWA), followed by two more messages which were routed through Champaign, IL (CMI).

The remote ground station used to route the message to the aircraft (FWA or CMI), the time and date in which the message is sent (eg. 111351, meaning the 11th of Sept, at 1351Z or 0951am Eastern), the flight number (UA93), and the tail number of the airplane in which the message is intended (N591UA), are all highlighted in red. The underlined date and time is when the message was received by the airplane. Although the first two appear to be identical, the message number denotes that they are in fact two separate messages, which is highlighted in blue. The messages are as follows -

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[Bosco]

I am done with this debate, but here is another website.

1637 Architects and Engineer's for 9/11 truth.

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http://www.ae911truth.org/

[Jesse Hemingway]

Mossad agents posed as CIA to recruit anti-Iranian terrorists
By Agence France-Presse
Friday, January 13, 2012

WASHINGTON — Agents with Israel’s Mossad agency posed as American CIA agents in operations to recruit members of the Pakistani militant group Jundallah, a report in Foreign Policy magazine said Friday.

Using American dollars and US passports, the agents passed themselves off as members of the Central Intelligence Agency in the operations, notably in London, according to memos from 2007 and 2008, said the report.

Jundallah (Soldiers of God) says it is fighting for the interests of the southeastern province’s large ethnic Baluch community, whose members, unlike most Iranians, mainly follow the Sunni branch of Islam.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/13/report-mossad-agents-posed-as-cia-to-recruit-iranian-terrorists/


Now you see the inner working of the actual method of the 9/11 attacks; Mossad ran the operational aspect of the 9/11 operations. Israel is protected by the United States by the endless war on terror.

Must be some serious problems if a story like this made public it is always about the ability to leverage blackmail that is the core of all espionage.
(This is my observations Jesse hemingway.)

[Bosco]

I FOUND A PEER REVIEWED REPORT FOR 9/11!! :hi:

See if T-Cat, that lil bitch wants to talk now.

Urgent: Scientists Confirm Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11...

http://investigate911.org/

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

CONCLUSIONS
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in significant
numbers in dust associated with the World Trade Center
destruction. We have applied SEM/XEDS and other methods
to characterize the small-scale structure and chemical signature
of these chips, especially of their red component. The
red material is most interesting and has the following characteristics:


1. It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and
carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive
elements are sometimes present, such as potassium,
sulfur, lead, barium and copper.

2. The primary elements (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) are typically
all present in particles at the scale of tens to hundreds
of nanometers, and detailed XEDS mapping shows
intimate mixing.

3. On treatment with methyl ethyl ketone solvent, some
segregation of components occurred. Elemental aluminum
became sufficiently concentrated to be clearly
identified in the pre-ignition material.

4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm
across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike
structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles
qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite
or super-thermite.

5. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a
ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all
four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron
oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas
elemental iron was not.

6. From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron
oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains
the ingredients of thermite.

7. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts
vigorously at a temperature of approximately
430 °C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching
fairly closely an independent observation on a known
super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition
and the presence of iron oxide grains less than
120 nm show that the material is not conventional
thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 °C)
but very likely a form of super-thermite.

8. After igniting several red/gray chips in a DSC run to
700 °C, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and
spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very hightemperature
reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich
product clearly must have been molten to form these
shapes. In several spheres, elemental iron was verified
since the iron content significantly exceeded the
oxygen content. We conclude that a high-temperature
reduction-oxidation reaction has occurred in the
heated chips, namely, the thermite reaction.

9. The spheroids produced by the DSC tests and by the
flame test have an XEDS signature (Al, Fe, O, Si, C)
which is depleted in carbon and aluminum relative to
the original red material. This chemical signature
strikingly matches the chemical signature of the spheroids
produced by igniting commercial thermite, and
also matches the signatures of many of the microspheres
found in the WTC dust [5].

10. The carbon content of the red material indicates that
an organic substance is present. This would be expected
for super-thermite formulations in order to
produce high gas pressures upon ignition and thus
make them explosive. The nature of the organic material
in these chips merits further exploration. We note
that it is likely also an energetic material, in that the
total energy release sometimes observed in DSC tests
exceeds the theoretical maximum energy of the classic
thermite reaction.

Based on these observations, we conclude that the red
layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC
dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating
nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or
explosive material.

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