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Mr, gone
05-11-2010, 05:20 AM
So, how much longer do you people think it will take before the US concept of democracy actually works here? Or is this as good as it will get? And if so, was it still worth it?

BAGHDAD – The death toll for a devastating day of attacks across Iraq rose to 119 on Tuesday as the worst hit cities of Basra and Hilla south of Baghdad reported new deaths from bombings the previous day, the country's deadliest so far this year.

The medical official at the Basra morgue said 30 people died, nearly twice as many as were originally reported, in the string of three bombings that ripped through the city on Monday, part of a series of attacks that convulsed the country.

In Hillah, which saw Monday's worst attack, police spokesman Maj. Muthana Khalid said five more people had died, raising the toll there to 50 dead. A pair of car bombs near a factory lured rescuers and onlookers to the scene where a suicide bomber detonated himself in their midst.

The relentless cascade of bombings and shootings — hitting at least 10 cities and towns as the day unfolded — raised questions about whether Iraqi security forces can protect the country as the U.S. prepares to withdraw half of its remaining 92,000 troops in Iraq over the next four months.

Officials were quick to blame insurgents linked to al-Qaida in Iraq for the shootings in the capital, saying the militants were redoubling efforts to destabilize the country at a time of political uncertainty over who will control the next government.

The bombings came as Iraq's political factions were still bogged down in negotiations to form a new government more than two months after inconclusive parliamentary elections were held.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite bloc has tried to squeeze out election front-runner Ayad Allawi — a secular Shiite heavily backed by Sunni Arabs — by forging an alliance last week with another religious Shiite coalition that would dominate any new government.

Sunni anger at Shiite domination of successive governments since Saddam Hussein's 2003 ouster was a key reason behind the insurgency that sparked sectarian warfare in 2006 and 2007. If Allawi is perceived as not getting his fair share of power, that could outrage the Sunnis who supported him and lead some to restore their backing to the insurgency.

Aside from Hillah, the worst of Monday's violence hit Basra, Iraq's second largest city, where three bombs exploded in the city, including one that targeted a marketplace. Basra has been relatively quiet since Shiite militias were routed in 2008 by U.S.-backed Iraqi forces.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

Moby
05-11-2010, 07:59 AM
No, I do not believe that it was worth it. The idea of borrowing money from China to support this war is disgusting.

No, I don't think that democracy as we know it will exist in this region for another generation or two. There's two much separation based on religion.

May biggest concern has always been the long term effects of the war. How many new terrorists have been trained because of this war?

I was also very concerned with attacking an enemy of Osama Bin Laden and then giving into his demands of removing our troops from Saudi Arabia, all the time borrowing money because Americans didn't want to pay for it.

No, I don't think it was worth it.

kres24GT
05-11-2010, 08:56 AM
More Big Government nonsense. When you look at the failures and wastes of Big Government, like Iraq and the insane War on Terror, it is scary to think people out there want to give government more power and control over more of our lives.

Linkster
05-11-2010, 12:38 PM
Agreed with both responses :thumbsup:

Bill Cosby
05-11-2010, 09:55 PM
No, I do not believe that it was worth it. The idea of borrowing money from China to support this war is disgusting.

No, I don't think that democracy as we know it will exist in this region for another generation or two. There's two much separation based on religion.

May biggest concern has always been the long term effects of the war. How many new terrorists have been trained because of this war?

I was also very concerned with attacking an enemy of Osama Bin Laden and then giving into his demands of removing our troops from Saudi Arabia, all the time borrowing money because Americans didn't want to pay for it.

No, I don't think it was worth it.

Excellent points........:thumbsup:

Will bush the lesser be credited for taking the (ascending) worlds lone super power from the height of it's supremacy to the dismal road of steady decline???

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Revere
05-11-2010, 11:08 PM
China had no problem lending us money until that money was earmarked for a national health care system.

Bill Cosby
05-11-2010, 11:22 PM
China had no problem lending us money until that money was earmarked for a national health care system.

You have some quotes to back that up???

Revere
05-11-2010, 11:50 PM
China's not buying Obama's crap.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh_obyP1M5omCldWzTGwtHgJAOBw

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/10/chinese-see-us-debt-as-weapon/

All on Obama's watch.

Now run along and find some Bush era stories where China was wringing it's hands about US debt, or quit wasting my time.

Bill Cosby
05-12-2010, 12:15 AM
China's not buying Obama's crap.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh_obyP1M5omCldWzTGwtHgJAOBw

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/10/chinese-see-us-debt-as-weapon/

All on Obama's watch.

Now run along and find some Bush era stories where China was wringing it's hands about US debt, or quit wasting my time.

You know after reading the articles I have to honestly wonder if you are stupid or drunk.?? MAybe both??

Neither article said a damn thing about HC........... Monetary policy & Taiwan... Read the damn thing for yourself.........

I think in the future you shoudl assume that if you post something, you are gonna get called on it...........

Sleep well........:(

China's military stepped up pressure on the United States on Monday by calling for a government sell-off of U.S. debt securities in retaliation for recent arms sales to Taiwan.

You are wasting your own time.......... If you don't like it you can rub it in your chest or go post some music clips.........

From the source you provided.... :thumbsup:

"China is implying to the US, more or less, that it should adopt a more pragmatic and responsible attitude to maintain the stability of the dollar

Zhao said the sell-off could have been in order to pay for its own economic stimulus package.

"The reduction was a result of composite factors, such as the investment need and the market change," Zhao told Global Times.

At the State Department, spokesman P.J. Crowley dismissed the economic threat as potentially self-defeating. "That would be biting the nose to spite the face," Mr. Crowley said. "The economies of the United States and China are intertwined."

Moby
05-12-2010, 06:53 PM
China had no problem lending us money until that money was earmarked for a national health care system.
So you support our taking on massive debt with China?

Mr, gone
05-14-2010, 05:12 AM
Now for the interesting question that matters. Is the quality of life for Iraqi people better now, or when Saddam Hussein was in power?

nondual
05-14-2010, 06:51 AM
Now for the interesting question that matters. Is the quality of life for Iraqi people better now, or when Saddam Hussein was in power?
No. Saddam's Iraq was secular, today it is a theocracy. Muslims and Christians lived shoulder to shoulder. Not anymore. Saddam would kill you, no questions asked, if he perceived you as a political opponent trying to put him out of power, but he wouldn't persecute and murder you ONLY for your religious beliefs, as al Maliki does. Also, women had more rights than they do now.

Iraq used to keep Iran in check, now Iraq is Iran's annex.

Bill Cosby
05-14-2010, 01:46 PM
Welcome aboard nondual......... :D

I agree...... bush the lesser made a mess out of it.............

The lives of those living in there is far worse since they we forcibly "liberated"..

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/women_iraq.jpg

PursuitOfHappinessParty
05-14-2010, 05:47 PM
You have some quotes to back that up???

LOL
I guess that rewriting history is turning out to be a myth.
You know, like the myth of Paul Revere.....
Reminds of a song, I had a little horsie named Paul Revere...:lmao2: