Man who alerted police was a Muslim immigrant

[Hawkeye2j]

Media Ignore The Fact That Man Who Alerted Police To Failed Times Square Bombing Is A Muslim Immigrant
The chief suspect in the case of the failed Times Square car bombing is Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad, who has confessed to the plot. Much of the media has latched onto Shahzad’s Muslim faith and his Pakistani identity, making inflammatory remarks and suggestions about Muslims and Pakistanis:

– CNN contributor and Redstate.com blogger Erick Erickson complained that the words “muslim” and “Islam” are “not mentioned” enough in stories about Shahzad. He wrote, “It really is pathetic that you’re more likely to see the words “racist” and “Republican” together in the newspaper these days than “terrorism” and “Islam.” [5/4/2010]

– Hate radio host Neal Boortz tweeted, “OMG! The Times Square Bomber is a Muslim! Shocker! Who would have believed it?” [5/4/2010]

– The cover of today’s Washington Post-published Express features a black-and-white photo of Shahzad with the sensationalist headline “MADE IN PAKISTAN” [5/5/2010]

Yet one fact being ignored in the American media’s sensationalist narrative about the failed bombing is that the man who was responsible for police finding the bomb was Muslim. The UK’s Times Online reports that Aliou Niasse, a Senagalese Muslim immigrant who works as a photograph vendor on Times Square, was the first to bring the smoking car to the police’s attention:

Aliou Niasse, a street vendor selling framed photographs of New York, said that he was the first to spot the car containing the bomb, which pulled up right in front of his cart on the corner of 45th street and Broadway next to the Marriott hotel.

“I didn’t see the car pull up or notice the driver because I was busy with customers. But when I looked up I saw that smoke appeared to be coming from the car. This would have been around 6.30pm.”

“I thought I should call 911, but my English is not very good and I had no credit left on my phone, so I walked over to Lance, who has the T-shirt stall next to mine, and told him. He said we shouldn’t call 911. Immediately he alerted a police officer near by,” said Mr Niasse, who is originally from Senegal and who has been a vendor in Times Square for about eight years.

As the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights notes, “South Asian, and Muslim communities may yield useful information to those fighting terrorism. Arabs and Arab Americans also offer the government an important source of Arabic speakers and translators. The singling out of Arabs, South Asians, Muslims, and Sikhs for investigation regardless of whether any credible evidence links them to terrorism will simply alienate these individuals and compromise the anti-terrorism effort.”

Reflecting on Niasse’s good samaritanism Muslim-American author Sumbul Ali-Karamali writes, “It’s somewhat consoling to know that the man who first noticed the smoking Nissan Pathfinder and sought help is also Muslim, a Senegalese immigrant. … I grew up Muslim in this country, with Muslim friends and non-Muslim friends, and there was very little difference between the two groups. We were all American.”

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[Citizen]

My mind = blown.

[Boogie man]

Are we supposed to give the muslim a medal because he isn't a terrorist?

[Hawkeye2j]

Are we supposed to give the muslim a medal because he isn't a terrorist?
Didn't read the article did you?

[CommonCents]

Exactly what's the fucking point of posting this? Is this supposed to cancel out the fact it was a Muslim who tried to murder innocent New Yorkers?

This is the weakest piece of liberal appeasement shit I've read in quite a while. Could you peoples attempts to defend radical Muslims and terrorists be any more transparent?

[MintJulep]

Exactly what's the fucking point of posting this? Is this supposed to cancel out the fact it was a Muslim who tried to murder innocent New Yorkers?

This is the weakest piece of liberal appeasement shit I've read in quite a while. Could you peoples attempts to defend radical Muslims and terrorists be any more transparent?:lmao2: :lmao2:

Amen.

[Hawkeye2j]

Exactly what's the fucking point of posting this? Is this supposed to cancel out the fact it was a Muslim who tried to murder innocent New Yorkers?

This is the weakest piece of liberal appeasement shit I've read in quite a while. Could you peoples attempts to defend radical Muslims and terrorists be any more transparent?
The point is the Right has been reigning hate down on the entire Muslim world instead of taking this as an individual. My point is these attacks are not a Muslim thing.
It is amazing how those on the Right need to have everything spelled out.

[Revere]

The point is the Right has been reigning hate down on the entire Muslim world instead of taking this as an individual. My point is these attacks are not a Muslim thing.
It is amazing how those on the Right need to have everything spelled out.

No, militant Islamism, which Obama refuses to condemn no matter how many bombers are sent over here.

[MarkMiller]

Exactly what's the fucking point of posting this? Is this supposed to cancel out the fact it was a Muslim who tried to murder innocent New Yorkers?

This is the weakest piece of liberal appeasement shit I've read in quite a while. Could you peoples attempts to defend radical Muslims and terrorists be any more transparent?
The point I see is you don't give a shit about anything Muslim unless you can label it "Terrorist" and finding out the person that alerted police was Muslim is just thrown off as "Appeasement" when what you did was piss on the man who DIDN'T try to murder anyone and call it an attempt to defend radical Muslims.
Both you and Mint Julep are really off base....but not because of the Muslim thing. You spin whatever the left puts up as somehow weak and disgusting. You people are weak. Weak minded and willed. You are puppets of those that control your actions by feeding your need to hate something, anything to vent your fear and anger over having to live in a country lead by someone you hate for whatever reason.

I actually love to see you guys spin so wildly to put yourselves on such a pedestal. It's gonna be a long fucking fall come November with that attitude.

The same 5 fucking percent of you moral majority types with a new name and new ways to intimidate those that don't agree with your radical conservative agenda.

I say put a spot light on you guys and make you dance.:p

[Revere]

Why is Barack Obama a shill for Muslim extremism? Why is he trying to convince us Hasan Nidal and faisal Shazad acted alone?

Why is there no curiosity about Nidal's Imam and the five months Shazad spent in Pakistan?

[Scottbrown2012]

Why is Barack Obama a shill for Muslim extremism? Why is he trying to convince us Hasan Nidal and faisal Shazad acted alone?

Why is there no curiosity about Nidal's Imam and the five months Shazad spent in Pakistan?
Why must you ignorant narrow minded buffons hate and put down an entire group of people for the actions of a PORTION OF THEM??? Call me terrorist loving appeaser, I dont give a shit what your dumb ignorant ass thinks anymore! You ever stop to think that your broad range need to hate on an entire group of people is the reason so many hate us??

[kres24GT]

The point is the Right has been reigning hate down on the entire Muslim world instead of taking this as an individual. My point is these attacks are not a Muslim thing.
It is amazing how those on the Right need to have everything spelled out.


I agree with you, but I love this irony.

[Mason66]

The point is the Right has been reigning hate down on the entire Muslim world instead of taking this as an individual. My point is these attacks are not a Muslim thing.
It is amazing how those on the Right need to have everything spelled out.

Are you saying their religion has nothing to do with how these people think and act?

If these people were Jewish or Mormon would they be doing the same thing?

Who tells them they will get a ton of virgins when they die and go to heaven?

Are you really serious with this statement?

[Linkster]

Mason - guess that explains why only Christians seem to be the violent ones in this country when compared to Mormons?

Like Ive said before - if this world could exist without everyone needing a little fictitious made up imaginary friend to make their lives "seem" important - then we would have a very peaceful world. Its amazing how many people over the life of this planet have been killed in the name of religion - and that is just the guilt anyone who believes in religion has to live with.

[Boogie man]

The point is the Right has been reigning hate down on the entire Muslim world instead of taking this as an individual. My point is these attacks are not a Muslim thing.
It is amazing how those on the Right need to have everything spelled out.

These attacks are definitely a muslim thing. He's a MUSLIM and so is the shoe bomber, the panty bomber, the Ft. Hood shooter, and the recruiter shooter that have all happened on Obama's watch. They are all muslims. The Taliban, all muslims. Al Queda, all muslims. Hamas, all muslims. Hezbollah, all muslims. Did you just get here from Mars?

http://newzar.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/hear-see-speak-no-evil1.jpg

[MintJulep]

Why must you ignorant narrow minded buffons hate and put down an entire group of people for the actions of a PORTION OF THEM??? Call me terrorist loving appeaser, I dont give a shit what your dumb ignorant ass thinks anymore! You ever stop to think that your broad range need to hate on an entire group of people is the reason so many hate us??Right. I'm sure you'd be singing the "lone wolf" or "isolated incident" song if it were a member of the Tea Party, which the moonbats hoped it would be.

[Boogie man]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/who-knew-the-ms-in-msnbc-stood-for-morally-superior/

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

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[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican and a Christian.

I guess terrorism is a W.A.S.P. thing.:banghead:

[MintJulep]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/who-knew-the-ms-in-msnbc-stood-for-morally-superior/ These people love them some terrorists....

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

These people love them some terrorists....

MSNBC is a left slanted news agency and as such warrants little attention, I prefer my news without the slant.
I wouldn't, using that litmus, give much attention to the PajamaMedia either.

So, let us examine what this lady said instead of letting other's tell us what to think:

“I get frustrated…” said Contessa Brewer. “There was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country. … There are a lot of people who want to use terrorist intent to justify writing off people who believe in a certain way or come from certain countries or whose skin color is a certain way. I mean they use it as justification for really outdated bigotry.”

Is she wrong?
Post 15 on this very thread:

These attacks are definitely a muslim thing. He's a MUSLIM and so is the shoe bomber, the panty bomber, the Ft. Hood shooter, and the recruiter shooter that have all happened on Obama's watch. They are all muslims. The Taliban, all muslims. Al Queda, all muslims. Hamas, all muslims. Hezbollah, all muslims. Did you just get here from Mars?

Looks like she has a point.
But lumping people together without regard to individuality is fun, isn't it:

These people love them some terrorists....

[CommonCents]

Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican and a Christian.

I guess terrorism is a W.A.S.P. thing.:banghead:

Did he kill in the name of Christ or the GOP?

The answer is "NO". His reason for setting that bomb was based on the murders committed in Waco by Janet Reno and the Clinton administration.

See the difference? McVeigh was a murdering terrorist that happened to be a Christian and Republican, while the other terrorists murdered because they were Muslim.

[MintJulep]

MSNBC is a left slanted news agency and as such warrants little attention, I prefer my news without the slant.
I wouldn't, using that litmus, give much attention to the PajamaMedia either. So, where do you find "news" without any slant? I didn't know such a thing exists as I can find a slant with all. Where do you get your "news"?

So, let us examine what this lady said instead of letting other's tell us what to think:

Is she wrong?
Post 15 on this very thread:

Looks like she has a point.
But lumping people together without regard to individuality is fun, isn't it: The facts speak for themselves. The majority of modern day terror attacks are committed by Muslims. To not recognize this is simply an act of political correctness, which landed 16 people in Ft. Hood in a pine box.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Did he kill in the name of Christ or the GOP?

The answer is "NO". His reason for setting that bomb was based on the murders committed in Waco by Janet Reno and the Clinton administration.

See the difference? McVeigh was a murdering terrorist that happened to be a Christian and Republican, while the other terrorists murdered because they were Muslim.

No they don't.
They murder because they're Militant Islamic Fascists. A very small, very specifically targeting group led by very specific leaders.
They've murder less people than just about any other organized militant group (think countries) and yet look how much of our money is being spent to combat this over-blown and over-rated bunch of nimrods. Think of it this way, other than casualties in our BS 'War on Terrorists', how many Americans have terrorists killed? How much have we spent per each death? Compare that historically and you'll see the wagging of the dog.

[MintJulep]

No they don't.
They murder because they're Militant Islamic Fascists. A very small, very specifically targeting group led by very specific leaders.
They've murder less people than just about any other organized militant group (think countries) and yet look how much of our money is being spent to combat this over-blown and over-rated bunch of nimrods. Think of it this way, other than casualties in our BS 'War on Terrorists', how many Americans have terrorists killed? How much have we spent per each death? Compare that historically and you'll see the wagging of the dog.You've got to be kidding me?

Do you know what 15-18% of one billion is?

You're not merely drinking koolaid, you've graduated to an IV drip. :lmao2:

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

So, where do you find "news" without any slant? I didn't know such a thing exists as I can find a slant with all. Where do you get your "news"?

I tend to go to the original source, I don't need it predigested by a pundit with an agenda.
See, you start at fox new/pjnews/whatever and compare to CNN/BBC/Whatever then you take the quotes/figures/whatever and go to the source then check counter sources and then.....
BE YOUR OWN PUNDIT and make your own summations.
Easy.

The facts speak for themselves. The majority of modern day terror attacks are committed by Muslims. To not recognize this is simply an act of political correctness, which landed 16 people in Ft. Hood in a pine box.

And the vast majority of deaths in the U.S. are commited by guns.
So gun owners are murderers and must be jailed. One helluva lot more than 16 deaths on Winchester/Remington/Colt's owners hands and it won't cost us a Trillion dollars per year to rid ourselves of them.

Its not political correctness, its reality. The overwhelmingly majority of Muslims world-wide are not terrorists. Yet just being Muslim equates them with terrorism? Hardly. Not politically incorrect, just plain old-fashioned incorrect.

Or would you have us believe that there are over a billion terrorists?:lmao2:

Using the latest CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) numbers there arre 7 million Muslims in the U.S. and 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

These terrorist sure are quiet about it. How many Trillion$ will this take?:lmao2:
The communist hoard fizzled out, the MIC needed a new boogeyman - 9 trillion tax dollars and counting.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

You've got to be kidding me?

Do you know what 15-18% of one billion is?

You're not merely drinking koolaid, you've graduated to an IV drip. :lmao2:

I don't partake of anyone's or anything's kool-aid and I would suggest you lay off the vodka before noon.

Because only a drunk would state that 18% of the 1.2 BILLION muslims are terrorists. You've spiked your pundit poured kool-aid with the Goose methinks. Even the most lackadaisical look at the news, past and present, shows your terroristic 18% is almost 18% short!:lmao2:

[MintJulep]

I tend to go to the original source, I don't need it predigested by a pundit with an agenda.
See, you start at fox new/pjnews/whatever and compare to CNN/BBC/Whatever then you take the quotes/figures/whatever and go to the source then check counter sources and then.....
BE YOUR OWN PUNDIT and make your own summations.
Easy. That isn't what I asked. What "news" source do you consider as non-biased?

And the vast majority of deaths in the U.S. are commited by guns.
So gun owners are murderers and must be jailed. One helluva lot more than 16 deaths on Winchester/Remington/Colt's owners hands and it won't cost us a Trillion dollars per year to rid ourselves of them.

Its not political correctness, its reality. The overwhelmingly majority of Muslims world-wide are not terrorists. Yet just being Muslim equates them with terrorism? Hardly. Not politically incorrect, just plain old-fashioned incorrect.

Or would you have us believe that there are over a billion terrorists?:lmao2:

Using the latest CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) numbers there arre 7 million Muslims in the U.S. and 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

These terrorist sure are quiet about it. How many Trillion$ will this take?:lmao2:
The communist hoard fizzled out, the MIC needed a new boogeyman - 9 trillion tax dollars and counting. Estimates are somewhere between 15-18% of Muslims participate in or support radical Islam. Now, millions of people may be a "small minority" to you, but not me.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

That isn't what I asked. What "news" source do you consider as non-biased?

Estimates are somewhere between 15-18% of Muslims participate in or support radical Islam. Now, millions of people may be a "small minority" to you, but not me.

I answered, but I'll answer more simply and succinctly.
None. Thought I was clear, with that 'pundit' comment, that comparison model, etc.

Show me these estimates (LOL won't be holding my breath).:lmao2:

BTW, before you go find a link (LOL a first) to support your rather exhorbant claim I would like to point out that the total estimates for Muslim numbers (either in the U.S. and/or the world) is a completely undefineable number. Nobody knows and depending on the source varies tremendously.
So a percentage of an imaginary number is crappola. Can't be done. I used one high-end source number but depending on your source (and its motivations) that number varies from under 1 billion to over 1.5. With that kind of range any percentages therein would be reckless at best and BS at worst.

I'll await that link.:lmao2:

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Of course, 'support' is a subjective term as well and can be used in polls to gerrymander the results anyway you wish.

Example?

Well, by using the word 'support' to equate active participation and direct help would mean that Lindbergh, Ford, IBM, and many others were Nazis and should have faced war crimes.

I guess its a little late for Charlie but we could go after the rest and on this board that means we suspend their due process too!

[MintJulep]

I answered, but I'll answer more simply and succinctly.
None. Thought I was clear, with that 'pundit' comment, that comparison model, etc.

Show me these estimates (LOL won't be holding my breath).:lmao2:

BTW, before you go find a link (LOL a first) to support your rather exhorbant claim I would like to point out that the total estimates for Muslim numbers (either in the U.S. and/or the world) is a completely undefineable number. Nobody knows and depending on the source varies tremendously.
So a percentage of an imaginary number is crappola. Can't be done. I used one high-end source number but depending on your source (and its motivations) that number varies from under 1 billion to over 1.5. With that kind of range any percentages therein would be reckless at best and BS at worst.

I'll await that link.:lmao2:Seven percent of Muslims hold radical, extremist views. That's over a hundred million people.

"Small minority?" I think not.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/what-makes-radical.aspx

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Seven percent of Muslims hold radical, extremist views. That's over a hundred million people.

"Small minority?" I think not.

And I say your number (a rapidly shrinking percentage to go from 18 to 7% in the space of a few hours :lmao2: ) is bogus and you're making it up.

[MintJulep]

And I say your number (a rapidly shrinking percentage to go from 18 to 7% in the space of a few hours :lmao2: ) is bogus and you're making it up.Gee, Gallup seems to disagree. Whether 18 or 7 percent still equates to millions of radicals.

BTW, where in my link does it state Christians were surveyed, as you claimed on another board? Or was that just a lie?

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Gee, Gallup seems to disagree. Whether 18 or 7 percent still equates to millions of radicals.

BTW, where in my link does it state Christians were surveyed, as you claimed on another board? Or was that just a lie?

I explained that to you there, but you know that - you're just being you.

Since you wish to bring that discussion over here, and since you refused to reply there, are you going to answer why your gallup doesn't in-fact support your claims. I could copy/paste it for you to ignore here just like over there.

[MintJulep]

I explained that to you there, but you know that - you're just being you.

Since you wish to bring that discussion over here, and since you refused to reply there, are you going to answer why your gallup doesn't in-fact support your claims. I could copy/paste it for you to ignore here just like over there.No. You didn't explain it. You said my link was to a poll of "Christians" surveyed on radical Islam.

Please show one reference to "Christians" in the above link or admit you lied.

[Boogie man]

I he a liberal? He lied.

[MintJulep]

I he a liberal? He lied.He is moonbatic as they come and charades under the guise of "Independent". A koolaid drinking Obama lubber through and through.

He told me I was a traitor for opposing Maobama on another board. Fucking clueless zombies, the whole lot of them. :lmao2:

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

He is moonbatic as they come and charades under the guise of "Independent". A koolaid drinking Obama lubber through and through.

He told me I was a traitor for opposing Maobama on another board. Fucking clueless zombies, the whole lot of them. :lmao2:

Wow, you two agreeing with each other. How non-surprising.

I told you you was a traitor for opposing Maobama on another board? Only you and your ilk would extrapolate that from this:

You lost in November. PERIOD. Get over it and move on. Trying to unsurp the Constitution and the democratic process is traitorious to me and as such makes you less of an American. Your pathetic band of Tea Partiers lame attempt at dividing the nation is not working. Its working on your cherry-picked sites, your party friendly pundits but the country isn't fooled and I'm confident your day of reckoning is coming.

I love that you called me a liar but couldn't back it up, punting and running back here to your haven to consort with your buds.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

10 minutes of silence.
Well, I'll not be wasting 11.

Thanks for playing.

[MintJulep]

Wow, you two agreeing with each other. How non-surprising.

I told you you was a traitor for opposing Maobama on another board? Only you and your ilk would extrapolate that from this:



I love that you called me a liar but couldn't back it up, punting and running back here to your haven to consort with your buds.Let's review:

You obviously read the link as you cited the 7%, yet you claim it was a survey of "Christians".

How did that work out? Oh, that's right. You lied.

And I say your number (a rapidly shrinking percentage to go from 18 to 7% in the space of a few hours :lmao2: ) is bogus and you're making it up.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Just checking on something.....
Still checking.....
And bingo was his name-o

Gotcha Minty you lying useless bitch.

I wondered how I made such a mistake, I'm pretty good on this computer.

Then I remembered who I was dealing with.
Just because this site doesn't show edits in the final post doesn't mean you can hide. What were you doing, checking the Christian sites and get confused and post the wrong one? LMAO

BTW, your 'identical' link you went on and on about at that 'other site' isn't because you're making this shit up at you go along.
RV link:
http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PD...ical022207.pdf
edited DCCJ link as it now mysteriously stands right now:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/wh...s-radical.aspx

Nice try there toots.
Also, it was YOU who provided that 7% correction from your original claim of 18% and I didn't know which number to debate because the link I went to was your pet Christian site.

How f'n pathetic, even for you.

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

And your newest gem, I found that 7%.

Kinda forgot about your own posts:
Estimates are somewhere between 15-18% of Muslims participate in or support radical Islam. Now, millions of people may be a "small minority" to you, but not me.

then the next

Seven percent of Muslims hold radical, extremist views. That's over a hundred million people.

"Small minority?" I think not.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/wh...s-radical.aspx

then there's that 'other site' where you admited you got that number wrong, want me to paste that too?

I was wrong on the percentage but dead on with the numbers - seven percent of one billion is MILLIONS of people.

Anyhow, its all childish and gets us away from what we were actually and seriously debating until that point on both sites on both threads.

Game? Or are you out of germain points and wish to continue this childish shit.

I prefer the debate. Actually, I'm only interested in the debate so if you wish to pretend this is a schoolyard playground that's your perogative but I will not respond to this level of crap again.

So,
tell me again how 63 polled muslims sympathetic to some of the terrorists goals is equal to 100's of Millions of terrorists again?

[MintJulep]

Just checking on something.....
Still checking.....
And bingo was his name-o

Gotcha Minty you lying useless bitch.

I wondered how I made such a mistake, I'm pretty good on this computer.

Then I remembered who I was dealing with.
Just because this site doesn't show edits in the final post doesn't mean you can hide. What were you doing, checking the Christian sites and get confused and post the wrong one? LMAO

BTW, your 'identical' link you went on and on about at that 'other site' isn't because you're making this shit up at you go along.
RV link:
http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PD...ical022207.pdf
edited DCCJ link as it now mysteriously stands right now:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/wh...s-radical.aspx

Nice try there toots.
Also, it was YOU who provided that 7% correction from your original claim of 18% and I didn't know which number to debate because the link I went to was your pet Christian site.

How f'n pathetic, even for you.This post hasn't been edited.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=198936&postcount=31

Any admin or moderator can verify that an edited post has a timestamp at the bottom, that one has none.

You're a liar. You made up a lie about my post and now you're lying to cover it only that little timestamp editing thingy poses a bit of a problem.

And please, stop the "Independent" ruse. You're an Obama loving fan of single payer, certainly not an "Independent" in any traditional sense. At least be honest about that.

[Smurf-Herder]

Just checking on something.....
Still checking.....
And bingo was his name-o

Gotcha Minty you lying useless bitch.

I wondered how I made such a mistake, I'm pretty good on this computer.

Then I remembered who I was dealing with.
Just because this site doesn't show edits in the final post doesn't mean you can hide. What were you doing, checking the Christian sites and get confused and post the wrong one? LMAO

BTW, your 'identical' link you went on and on about at that 'other site' isn't because you're making this shit up at you go along.
The word RV link:
http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PD...ical022207.pdf
edited DCCJ link as it now mysteriously stands right now:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/wh...s-radical.aspx

Nice try there toots.
Also, it was YOU who provided that 7% correction from your original claim of 18% and I didn't know which number to debate because the link I went to was your pet Christian site.

How f'n pathetic, even for you.


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[Moby]

Just checking on something.....
Still checking.....
And bingo was his name-o

Gotcha Minty you lying useless bitch.

I wondered how I made such a mistake, I'm pretty good on this computer.

Then I remembered who I was dealing with.
Just because this site doesn't show edits in the final post doesn't mean you can hide. What were you doing, checking the Christian sites and get confused and post the wrong one? LMAO

BTW, your 'identical' link you went on and on about at that 'other site' isn't because you're making this shit up at you go along.
RV link:
http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PD...ical022207.pdf
edited DCCJ link as it now mysteriously stands right now:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104941/wh...s-radical.aspx

Nice try there toots.
Also, it was YOU who provided that 7% correction from your original claim of 18% and I didn't know which number to debate because the link I went to was your pet Christian site.

How f'n pathetic, even for you.
Be careful. As Smurf points out, gender slurs are not acceptable. This is a warning.

The board does show edits to a post after a few minutes so I don't think it was edited. Please apologies for the use of gender slurs.

Thank you

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

Mighty selective around here,

•No personal attacks.

[Smurf-Herder]

Mighty selective around here,

•No personal attacks.

Not every insult or every argument is considered a personal attack. It's a question of severity.

You got a complaint? Post a link to the attack.

[Pat]

Mighty selective around here,

•No personal attacks.
No racial, gender, ethnic or sexual orientation slurs.
What part about that do you not understand? Does somebody need to put the key words in bold?

[PursuitOfHappinessParty]

No racial, gender, ethnic or sexual orientation slurs.
What part about that do you not understand? Does somebody need to put the key words in bold?

I didn't ask you, or are you the morality police now?

So general sexual slurs are okay? I can imply somebody has gay oral sex? Cool!

Not my style, tho. I do feel kinda bad about what I called her but in a sense of proportion and in comparison I think calling someone a female dog is way less offensive than say implying someone has gay oral sex.
Unless they're gay and enjoy oral sex ( to you folks out there that enjoy that - Have At It! ) but such a thing would be an attack.

I, in a moment of rage over something you have no clue about (and no, not the gay/oral thingy - that was an example for comparison), said something I would normally never do even in real life.

But thanks for butting in anyway!