Kind of reminds you of the government inflicted hysterics over H1H1, doesn't it?

[Revere]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/05/crews-finish-work-dome-contain-gulf-oil/





The anxiety is so acute that some are seeing and smelling oil where there is none. And even though the dead turtles and jellyfish washing ashore along the Gulf of Mexico are clean, and scientists have yet to determine what killed them, many are just sure the flow of crude unleashed by the explosion at BP's Deepwater Horizon is the culprit.

The rig was owned by Transocean Ltd. Some of the 115 surviving workers who were aboard when it exploded are suing that company and BP PLC. In lawsuits filed Tuesday, three workers say they were kept floating at sea for more than 10 hours while the rig burned uncontrollably. They are seeking damages.

Guy Cantwell, a spokesman for rig owner Transocean Ltd., defended the company's response, saying 115 workers did get off alive. Two wrongful death suits also have been filed.

In their worst-case scenario, BP executives told members of a congressional committee that up to 2.5 million gallons a day could spill if the leaks worsened, though it would be more like 1.7 million gallons. A rainbow sheen of oil has reached land in parts of Louisiana, but the gooey rafts of coagulated crude have yet to come ashore in most places. While officials worked on cleanup, the long wait took its toll on nerves and incomes.

"It's aggravating, to a point," said Frank Besson, 61, owner of Nez Coupe Souvenir & Tackle. "You got people canceling out, thinking we've got oil on the beaches, and it's not even at the mouth of the Mississippi."

Fishermen have complained bitterly about the federal decision to close a large swath of the Gulf to commercial and sport fishing, saying it was an overreaction. Some even vowed to keep catching fish until someone arrested them.

[Hawkeye2j]

Kind of reminds you of the government inflicted hysterics over H1N1, doesn't it?

Hysterics? People died you heartless moron.

[Linkster]

I agree - hysterics always fuels spending and good profits for corporations - and the H1N1 was actually less fatal a flu than most flus in the past - even the last time we had H1N1 a while back - since we lose (in this country) - 17,000 to 52,000 each year with the average about 36,000
This seasons flu deaths tied to H1N1 are 2,498 - with the total this last season at 17,000

So yeah - those billions of dollars that the US gave Cheneys old stomping grounds to produce vaccines (which were mostly recalled or trashed) - were a great fear-mongering campaign

[Hawkeye2j]

I agree - hysterics always fuels spending and good profits for corporations - and the H1N1 was actually less fatal a flu than most flus in the past - even the last time we had H1N1 a while back - since we lose (in this country) - 17,000 to 52,000 each year with the average about 36,000
This seasons flu deaths tied to H1N1 are 2,498 - with the total this last season at 17,000

So yeah - those billions of dollars that the US gave Cheneys old stomping grounds to produce vaccines (which were mostly recalled or trashed) - were a great fear-mongering campaign
Being close to one that lost their life, I can't agree.

[kres24GT]

Being close to one that lost their life, I can't agree.


People die from falling down the stairs, it doesn't mean we should have hysteria over it. More people died from regular flu than swine flu. The hysteria regarding wine flu was bogus.


Swine flu is way down on the bottom of the list of killers, there was no need for the fear that accompanied it. You knowing someone who died from it makes that no less true.

[Hawkeye2j]

People die from falling down the stairs, it doesn't mean we should have hysteria over it. More people died from regular flu than swine flu. The hysteria regarding wine flu was bogus.


Swine flu is way down on the bottom of the list of killers, there was no need for the fear that accompanied it. You knowing someone who died from it makes that no less true.
Convoluted logic. There was reason for it. The fear that accompanied it saved lives. You don't screw around with possible epidemics. That would be the stupid policy.

[Linkster]

There was no epidemic any more than you can call every flu season an epidemic - some companies just wanted to make a little extra profit over it this year so they hyped it to cause fear in the American public - sort of like all the other little "fear generating escapades" that have been initiated since 2001
Its good business :thumbsup:

[Hawkeye2j]

Eighty six children died from the disease. You don't think it should have been treated as an epidemic?

[kres24GT]

Convoluted logic. There was reason for it. The fear that accompanied it saved lives. You don't screw around with possible epidemics. That would be the stupid policy.


Again, it was another media inspired fear hysteria, the fact you know someone who died form it doesn't change that. It was about ratings and government contracts.

[Linkster]

Actually it was more than that - around 130 - and way less than the 1000s of children that die from the flu every year in the US

[kres24GT]

Eighty six children died from the disease. You don't think it should have been treated as an epidemic?

Not unless you want to make about 10000 other things an epidemic.

[Linkster]

Just so you know - the H1N1 has been a part of the flu season for years - the only reason it was blown out of proportion this year is because someone felt the need to make money - H1N1 is just like every other variation of the flu - and has been around in one form or another for the last 100 or so years

[kres24GT]

Just so you know - the H1N1 has been a part of the flu season for years - the only reason it was blown out of proportion this year is because someone felt the need to make money - H1N1 is just like every other variation of the flu - and has been around in one form or another for the last 100 or so years


But, but, but Hawkeye knows someone who died from it.

[Hawkeye2j]

Did you ever think that the reaction to it, was what prevented it from becoming a full blown epidemic?

[kres24GT]

Did you ever think that the reaction to it, was what prevented it from becoming a full blown epidemic?


LMAO. Yeah, but a brain keeps from processing that as reality. Fear mongering doesn't accomplish anything.


A true sheep to the end.

[Hawkeye2j]

LMAO. Yeah, but a brain keeps from processing that as reality. Fear mongering doesn't accomplish anything.


A true sheep to the end.
When it comes to infectious diseases, you err on the side of caution.

[Linkster]

I suppose that since most Americans have now been hoodwinked into thinking that they need to fear these diseases - its not surprising that people like Proctor and Gamble are making billions off of the new "anti-germ" wipes and gels etc.

Unfortunately the more you disinfect your life - the more susceptible you are to disease - youve stopped the bodies natural way of healing itself and building its own defenses - and the pharmaceutical companies love it :thumbsup:

[kres24GT]

I suppose that since most Americans have now been hoodwinked into thinking that they need to fear these diseases - its not surprising that people like Proctor and Gamble are making billions off of the new "anti-germ" wipes and gels etc.

Unfortunately the more you disinfect your life - the more susceptible you are to disease - youve stopped the bodies natural way of healing itself and building its own defenses - and the pharmaceutical companies love it :thumbsup:


Yep, the corporations love the sheep like Hawkeye who respond so easily to fear.

[Hawkeye2j]

Yep, the corporations love the sheep like Hawkeye who respond so easily to ear.
Fuck you Kres. Can't you just debate a topic?

[kres24GT]

Fuck you Kres. Can't you just debate a topic?


We are, part of the discussion is fear mongering. You are a great example of how well it works. You claim to be anti Big Business and are constantly bitching about corporations. But a little fear mongering by the media and politicians and you will gladly pad all their bottom lines.


How easily you succumb to the fear mongering is very relevant here.

[Hawkeye2j]

We are, part of the discussion is fear mongering. You are a great example of how well it works. You claim to be anti Big Business and are constantly bitching about corporations. But a little fear mongering by the media and politicians and you will gladly pad all their bottom lines.


How easily you succumb to the fear mongering is very relevant here.
This is life and death. And I would want my government to take any health concern seriously especially when it could affect my kids.

[Linkster]

Here's something that is life and death - and I do believe that the government should step in since parents wont do it

636,000 crashes, 330,000 injuries, 12,000 serious injuries, and 2,600 deaths were caused by cell phone use while driving - thats more deaths than the H1N1 flu caused this year - I think the govenment should start a fear campaign and hopefully some group of Arkansas women will start a little grassroots organization to make it illegal to possess a cell phone while driving

[Hawkeye2j]

Here's something that is life and death - and I do believe that the government should step in since parents wont do it

636,000 crashes, 330,000 injuries, 12,000 serious injuries, and 2,600 deaths were caused by cell phone use while driving - thats more deaths than the H1N1 flu caused this year - I think the govenment should start a fear campaign and hopefully some group of Arkansas women will start a little grassroots organization to make it illegal to possess a cell phone while driving
I know my state government is doing something about it. Local governments here have made laws such as you suggest. And some in the state legislature is pushing for it statewide.

[kres24GT]

This is life and death. And I would want my government to take any health concern seriously especially when it could affect my kids.


You know how many kids die falling down stairs each year?? Better get government involved!!!! This an epidemic.

[Hawkeye2j]

You know how many kids die falling down stairs each year?? Better get government involved!!!! This an epidemic.
Again you use convoluted logic.

[Linkster]

I know my state government is doing something about it. Local governments here have made laws such as you suggest. And some in the state legislature is pushing for it statewide.

California did it a year ago - and it didnt work as no one enforces it

[kres24GT]

Again you use convoluted logic.

Swine Flu is well down the list on threats to your children's lives. You only care about it because you gave into the fear mongering campaign.

[Hawkeye2j]

Swine Flu is well down the list on threats to your children's lives. You only care about it because you gave into the fear mongering campaign.
I favor erring on the side of caution on all diseases.

[kres24GT]

I favor erring on the side of caution on all diseases.


But not on much more likely causes of death in children. Gotcha. Thanks for proving my point for me.

[Hawkeye2j]

But not on much more likely causes of death in children. Gotcha. Thanks for proving my point for me.
You are a strange individual.

[mwillman]

Actually it was more than that - around 130 - and way less than the 1000s of children that die from the flu every year in the US

True but the people that worried about that flu remembered what happened to this nation in 1918 when a 1/2 million died.

When it comes to possible pandemics I would rather they over react rather then not be ready if the flu evolved and started killing many more.

[Hawkeye2j]

True but the people that worried about that flu remembered what happened to this nation in 1918 when a 1/2 million died.

When it comes to possible pandemics I would rather they over react rather then not be ready if the flu evolved and started killing many more.
Couldn't agree with you more.

[kres24GT]

You are a strange individual.


An independent thinker who doesn't respond to fear mongering politicians and media hype, yep.

[kres24GT]

True but the people that worried about that flu remembered what happened to this nation in 1918 when a 1/2 million died.

When it comes to possible pandemics I would rather they over react rather then not be ready if the flu evolved and started killing many more.


Same with terrorism threats, overreacting is oK?

[Hawkeye2j]

Same with terrorism threats, overreacting is oK?
Real threats yes. But not the made up one's that Bush used to help his political chances. It's how he stole Ohio in 04 with a phoney terror threat which removed all the independent watchdogs from the polling places.

[kres24GT]

Real threats yes. But not the made up one's that Bush used to help his political chances. It's how he stole Ohio in 04 with a phoney terror threat which removed all the independent watchdogs from the polling places.


Jesus Fucking Christ, you have to be kidding me.
So you can't overreact to 3000 people losing their life in a terrorist attack, but overreacting to a few hundred deaths of a flu that was blown out of proportion by the media is OK.


Do you ever stop and listen to what you say?

[Hawkeye2j]

Jesus Fucking Christ, you have to be kidding me.
So you can't overreact to 3000 people losing their life in a terrorist attack, but overreacting to a few hundred deaths of a flu that was blown out of proportion by the media is OK.


Do you ever stop and listen to what you say?
Obviously you didn't listen or read what I said. I said yes to reacting strongly to terrorist threats. But I also said that Bush faked several warnings. Do you not get that?

[kres24GT]

Obviously you didn't listen or read what I said. I said yes to reacting strongly to terrorist threats. But I also said that Bush faked several warnings. Do you not get that?


DO you not get it moron? The swine flu threat was the same thing, it was bogus, it was based on false information, it was media inspired hysteria with no basis in reality. But to you it was OK, because "better to err on the side of caution."


Same could be said of Bush' s phony war on terror.Would be great if you could have it both ways, sadly, you can't.

[mrmeangenes]

I'm glad the flu "epidemic" was so "light", and that H1N1 "only" killed a little over 17,000 people worldwide -(that WHO has been able to confirm).
It was, by the way a pandemic-not a simple epidemic.

Please take a few minutes to read through the referenced article. There might be one or two big words, but I think you'll be able to figure them out.

http://promedmail.oracle.com/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:8565237425750906::NO::F2400_P1001_BA CK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,82519

I wonder how many of you - who are "elightened skeptics" now-were cussing out the government when the epidemic first emerged ??

[kres24GT]

I'm glad the flu "epidemic" was so "light", and that H1N1 "only" killed a little over 17,000 people worldwide -(that WHO has been able to confirm).
It was, by the way a pandemic-not a simple epidemic.

Please take a few minutes to read through the referenced article. There might be one or two big words, but I think you'll be able to figure them out.

http://promedmail.oracle.com/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:8565237425750906::NO::F2400_P1001_BA CK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,82519

I wonder how many of you - who are "elightened skeptics" now-were cussing out the government when the epidemic first emerged ??


Great example of successful fear mongering. 17,000 would put it about 1000000th on the list of most likely causes of death behind falling down the stairs and getting busted cheating on your spouse. But let's freak out over one the least likely ways to die.

[Hawkeye2j]

Great example of successful fear mongering. 17,000 would put it about 1000000th on the list of most likely causes of death behind falling down the stairs and getting busted cheating on your spouse. But let's freak out over one the least likely ways to die.
Please back that up with some statistics.

[mrmeangenes]

Great example of successful fear mongering. 17,000 would put it about 1000000th on the list of most likely causes of death behind falling down the stairs and getting busted cheating on your spouse. But let's freak out over one the least likely ways to die.

You need to brush up on your history: specifically the terrible Flu Pandemic of 1918 (or thereabouts). Millions and millions of people died-and you know what? There was little that could be done for them.

This pandemic we have just sneaked through could have been far more deadly. There was no effective vaccine available at first, and it took a crash program to develop suitable vaccines.

If you think the pharma giants promoted the idea to boost business,you are ill-informed.They had to be muscled into it. Research is expensive,liability issues are horrendous, and bottom lines are usually just above break-even.

Had the pandemic been as lethal to humans as it had been in swine, I doubt many of us would even be posting today.

[kres24GT]

You need to brush up on your history: specifically the terrible Flu Pandemic of 1918 (or thereabouts). Millions and millions of people died-and you know what? There was little that could be done for them.

This pandemic we have just sneaked through could have been far more deadly. There was no effective vaccine available at first, and it took a crash program to develop suitable vaccines.

If you think the pharma giants promoted the idea to boost business,you are ill-informed.They had to be muscled into it. Research is expensive,liability issues are horrendous, and bottom lines are usually just above break-even.

Had the pandemic been as lethal to humans as it had been in swine, I doubt many of us would even be posting today.

Corporate America thanks you and the other fear mongers. So do the media outlets who increased their ratings and the politicians who got votes form the fear mongering.

[Hawkeye2j]

Corporate America thanks you and the other fear mongers. So do the media outlets who increased their ratings and the politicians who got votes form the fear mongering.
You are very silly.

[mrmeangenes]

Corporate America thanks you and the other fear mongers. So do the media outlets who increased their ratings and the politicians who got votes form the fear mongering.

Is that the official "party line", or did you think it up all by your little self ??

It has a certain "political" flavor to it.

Know-Nothing Party ?

[Moby]

Wasn't H1N1 the first of "Obama's Katrina's"? I see the similarities from the Neo-Con media.

[mrmeangenes]

Wasn't H1N1 the first of "Obama's Katrina's"? I see the similarities from the Neo-Con media.
Yep. The Cassandra Chorus made quite a fuss over it: it was going to kill us all and Obama was doing NOTHING-then-"What was all the fuss about"

The more things change...

[Hawkeye2j]

Yep. The Cassandra Chorus made quite a fuss over it: it was going to kill us all and Obama was doing NOTHING-then-"What was all the fuss about"

The more things change...
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) says President Obama has endangered American lives by not doing more to alleviate the nation's short supply of H1N1 vaccine. In a new interview with the conservative-leaning CNSNews.com, Wilson says Obama's administration is "solely responsible" for the vaccine shortage, which he said are related to promises America made to donate vaccine to some foreign allies...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/joe-wilson-blames-obama-f_n_342315.html

[Revere]

BP and Transocean and Wild Well Control produce useful things and pay huge taxes and employ people. When they fuck up, they fix it.

Obama and his regime and his pissy little sycophants here just bitch when they can't have utopia.

[Linkster]

BP and Transocean and Wild Well Control produce useful things and pay huge taxes and employ people. When they fuck up, they fix it.

Obama and his regime and his pissy little sycophants here just bitch when they can't have utopia.

So you would prefer that the government handle this for you?? After all if they did wouldnt that be just bigger government? I suppose when it suits some people big government is ok - but when it comes to having someone they dont like as president its wrong??? WTF

And BP isnt taking care of it - they have pushed it off saying its not their fault

[Moby]

BP and Transocean and Wild Well Control produce useful things and pay huge taxes and employ people. When they fuck up, they fix it.

Obama and his regime and his pissy little sycophants here just bitch when they can't have utopia.
When did they fix it?

[slowhand]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/05/crews-finish-work-dome-contain-gulf-oil/

Defending BP just like I knew you would..There is an oil slick out there the size of fucking New Jersey you imbicile

[slowhand]

BP and Transocean and Wild Well Control produce useful things and pay huge taxes and employ people. When they fuck up, they fix it.

Yeah thats right..Money fixes everything, you stupid motherfucker

Obama and his regime and his pissy little sycophants here just bitch when they can't have utopia.

Utopia?..Have you got brain damage?

Then when the slick reaches the Gulf Shores and fucks the place up royally, you'll be blaming Obama for that too..I cant believe how fucking ignorant you are

[kres24GT]

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) says President Obama has endangered American lives by not doing more to alleviate the nation's short supply of H1N1 vaccine. In a new interview with the conservative-leaning CNSNews.com, Wilson says Obama's administration is "solely responsible" for the vaccine shortage, which he said are related to promises America made to donate vaccine to some foreign allies...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/joe-wilson-blames-obama-f_n_342315.html


Another fear monger. Politicians do it for votes. Media outlets do it for ratings. Corporations do it for profits.