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Scottbrown2012
04-24-2010, 03:16 PM
David Lightman | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: April 23, 2010 09:23:58 PM

WASHINGTON — Although painting Republicans as pawns of Wall Street is a cornerstone of the Democratic strategy to overhaul financial regulation, financial interests have given campaign money generously to both political parties for years.

"No one party has any firm hold on righteousness here," said David Levinthal, a spokesman for the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks donations.

In the past two election cycles, when Democrats controlled Congress, the Democrats benefited most. So far in the 2010 cycle, the finance/insurance/real estate sector has given $65.2 million, or 56 percent of its contributions, to Democrats. Republicans have received $51.7 million.

People and political committees affiliated with securities and investment banking interests have been particularly kind to Democrats, giving them $21.7 million, or 63 percent of their donations so far.

Commercial banks, though, prefer Republicans; they've given GOP hopefuls $4.7 million so far, or 54 percent of their total.

According to the Sunlight Foundation, an independent research group, lobbyists with connections to the financial sector have hosted 10 fundraisers this year for members of the Senate Banking and Agriculture committees — six for Democrats and four for Republicans. The two panels wrote different parts of the financial overhaul bill.

None of that has stopped Democrats from insisting that they're the party of Main Street, not Wall Street.

"To those still willing to do what is right, to those still willing to help us slam the brakes on Wall Street's joyride, we're ready to work with you," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said at a news conference this week.

"If anything, some of us would like further consumer protections that go beyond what is in the bill," added Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

Among members of Congress, Schumer so far this cycle has received $3 million from financial interests, more than twice as much as the runner-up, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Both are up for re-election and are considered heavy favorites. Reid, who has a difficult re-election, is third, at $1.26 million.

The three also top the list of recipients of money from the securities and investment banking industry — Schumer at $1.5 million, Gillibrand at $639,450 and Reid at $533,025. Gillibrand leads the list of commercial bank recipients, followed by Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., who's running for the Senate, and Schumer.

Schumer's office wouldn't respond to requests for comment.

Reid raised about $37,000 in January at a New York breakfast set up by Goldman Sachs, the investment firm recently sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which alleges civil fraud.

Though Reid reportedly was taken to task by executives at the breakfast for harshly criticizing Wall Street, he refused to provide details about the event.

Republicans gleefully point the finger back at Democrats.

"Democrats have had so many conversations with people in the industry about this legislation," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, visited hedge fund investors New York two weeks ago and raised money at KKR, a private equity firm.

The Republican senators said they wanted Wall Street executives to understand their positions better.

"Democrats have had no conversations with these people?" McConnell asked.

Levinthal and groups advocating changes to the campaign finance system contend that the flood of money into both parties amounts to "buying long term influence. They develop relationships and make sure their views are heard."

Nonsense, countered industry spokesmen.

"I refute it," said Scott Talbott, the chief lobbyist for the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents the nation's largest finance companies, about charges that contributions buy access to lawmakers. "It's not that contributors want anything. You're supporting candidates who understand the industry."

"We give to candidates from both sides of the political aisle, and that's a matter of public record," said Peter Garuccio, a spokesman for the American Bankers Association.

The Senate is expected to begin consideration of the financial overhaul bill on Monday.

Several factors go into who gets money, including who needs it and who's on key committees. Securities and investment banking interests, for instance, gave more to Republicans in the 1996 to 2004 cycles, when the GOP controlled Congress.

In recent days, critics and journalists have been asking lawmakers to return certain funds, notably those from Goldman Sachs. Most lawmakers find the suggestion ridiculous.

"This is our system," Cornyn said. "I think the system needs more transparency, so people can more easily reach their own conclusions. But if you didn't have this system, the alternative would be to have taxpayers fund elections, and I'm not in favor of that."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/23/92794/what-do-both-parties-have-in-common.html

Revere
04-24-2010, 03:27 PM
Only one party got to meet with Goldman Sachs four times in the White House while SEC charges were being prepared.

Scottbrown2012
04-24-2010, 03:30 PM
Only one party got to meet with Goldman Sachs four times in the White House while SEC charges were being prepared.
so...that does not take away from the fact that BOTH parties are guilty of taking wall street money over the years and BOTH parties should be held accountable for their actions and return money if this reform bill is to be taken seriously at all.

Smurf-Herder
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
so...that does not take away from the fact that BOTH parties are guilty of taking wall street money over the years and BOTH parties should be held accountable for their actions and return money if this reform bill is to be taken seriously at all.

Then you better read this:

Obama Doesn’t Intend to Give Back Goldman Donations (Update1)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-22/obama-doesn-t-intend-to-give-back-goldman-donations-update1-.html

Scottbrown2012
04-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Then you better read this:

Obama Doesn’t Intend to Give Back Goldman Donations (Update1)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-22/obama-doesn-t-intend-to-give-back-goldman-donations-update1-.html
I honestly believe he should either return the money or STFU on finance reform, cause he looks VERY hypocritical whining about wall street....ESPECIALLY in light of the Goldman Sachs trial, when he wont return tainted cash himself.

Smurf-Herder
04-24-2010, 04:44 PM
I honestly believe he should either return the money or STFU on finance reform, cause he looks VERY hypocritical whining about wall street....ESPECIALLY in light of the Goldman Sachs trial, when he wont return tainted cash himself.

I agree, but we won't see that happening.

Kanadesaga
04-24-2010, 04:52 PM
Then you better read this:

Obama Doesn’t Intend to Give Back Goldman Donations (Update1)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-22/obama-doesn-t-intend-to-give-back-goldman-donations-update1-.html


will the GOP give back its donations? Not just one or two, all of them. Because they'll lose about $35 million. (Wall St.)

Revere
04-24-2010, 04:53 PM
How many Democrats gave theirs back?

Smurf-Herder
04-24-2010, 04:55 PM
will the GOP give back its donations? Not just one or two, all of them. Because they'll lose about $35 million. (Wall St.)

I don't think any of them will.

That's why it's time to put an end to the countryclub aristocracy of lifetime politicians and vote out most incumbents in both parties.

Kanadesaga
04-24-2010, 04:58 PM
I don't think any of them will.

That's why it's time to put an end to the countryclub aristocracy of lifetime politicians and vote out most incumbents in both parties.

Or..... we could stop the buying and selling of influence. Publicly fund elections and all that money goes away.

Revere
04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
Or..... we could stop the buying and selling of influence. Publicly fund elections and all that money goes away.

Like the way the "public" bought votes for Obamacare?

Smurf-Herder
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Or..... we could stop the buying and selling of influence. Publicly fund elections and all that money goes away.

That relies on the people who get the influence money to vote against getting the influence money. The same people who put fine print in bills that totally change the character of a bill, the way it's presented to the public.

IMO, it's time to just clean house. Then the first-timers know the public expects them to maintain ethics; and will hold them to it.

Kanadesaga
04-24-2010, 05:21 PM
Like the way the "public" bought votes for Obamacare?


Like the way UBS bought Phil Gramm to repeal Glass-Steagall which contributed greatly to the meltdown. If you're just going to hurl shit in the air, there's no point in discussing anything with you. When you have facts, let me know.

Kanadesaga
04-24-2010, 05:27 PM
That relies on the people who get the influence money to vote against getting the influence money. The same people who put fine print in bills that totally change the character of a bill, the way it's presented to the public.

IMO, it's time to just clean house. Then the first-timers know the public expects them to maintain ethics; and will hold them to it.


then what's to prevent the corps from buying the new ones? Do you remember the class of 1994? it was the largest freshmen class of congressmen ever. People thought it would be the start of honesty in DC. :lmao2: what happened was they were quickly and quietly absorbed into the collective.

You forget, campaign funds pay for their wive's jobs, and their kid's jobs inbetween semesters. for those golf trips to St. Andrew's. for that lobster dinner.

for those remodeling jobs, for those after congress jobs.

Publicly funding elections would curb that drastically. but it is something the public has to demand. If the Te Party wanted smaller gov't that is how you accomplish it.

Smurf-Herder
04-24-2010, 05:32 PM
then what's to prevent the corps from buying the new ones? Do you remember the class of 1994? it was the largest freshmen class of congressmen ever. People thought it would be the start of honesty in DC. :lmao2: what happened was they were quickly and quietly absorbed into the collective.

You forget, campaign funds pay for their wive's jobs, and their kid's jobs inbetween semesters. for those golf trips to St. Andrew's. for that lobster dinner.

for those remodeling jobs, for those after congress jobs.

Publicly funding elections would curb that drastically. but it is something the public has to demand. If the Te Party wanted smaller gov't that is how you accomplish it.

I'm not really disagreeing with you. But I think the incumbents know far too well how to work the system; and should be made examples of - as well as eliminating people you can only trust as far as they think they need to fool you.

Term limits are a must, IMO - to some extent. As well as "real" campaign finance reform.

Bill Cosby
04-24-2010, 11:29 PM
Like the way UBS bought Phil Gramm to repeal Glass-Steagall which contributed greatly to the meltdown. If you're just going to hurl shit in the air, there's no point in discussing anything with you. When you have facts, let me know.

He seems to be slowly evolving into a one dimensional partisan hack.. That anyone could deny both parties are anything but pin stripe prostitutes is beyond me.........

But hey I think soon we will be looking back @ this whoredom as the good O' days, now that the supreme court opened the flood gate$$$$$$$$$$