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Scottbrown2012
04-15-2010, 01:05 PM
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER (AP) – 20 hours ago

WASHINGTON — You wouldn't know it by the Tax Day rhetoric, but Americans are paying lower taxes this year, even with increases passed by many states to balance their budgets. Don't expect it to last.

Congress cut individuals' federal taxes for this year by about $173 billion shortly after President Barack Obama took office, dwarfing the $28.6 billion in increases by states.

In the next few years, however, many can expect to pay more. Some future increases were enacted as part of Obama's health care overhaul. And former President George W. Bush's tax cuts expire in January. Obama and the Democrats want to renew only some of them, thus raising taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.

As this year's April 15 federal deadline passes, the debate about future tax increases has Republicans in Congress and conservatives across the country portraying Democrats as tax-and-spend liberals even before any new levies are approved. The discussion also is helping frame the congressional elections this fall.

"The fact is in the past year we have had more tax cuts than almost anytime in our nation's history," said Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn. "It's something that people don't realize because of the false rhetoric that is spread throughout this Congress."

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said conservatives didn't see any need to wait before protesting.

"I thought that we were going to have to wait until the tax increases started to see popular unhappiness," Norquist said at a Capitol Hill forum Wednesday. "Last year, people started reacting, the tea parties started organizing, in reaction to spending too much. They didn't wait for the tax increases to come."

The massive economic recovery package enacted last year included about $300 billion in tax cuts over 10 years. About $232 billion was in cuts for individuals, nearly all in the first two years.

The most generous was Obama's Making Work Pay credit, which gives individuals up to $400 and couples up to $800 for 2009 and 2010. The $1,000 child tax credit was expanded to more families, and the working poor can qualify for as much as $5,657 from the Earned Income Tax Credit.

There were also credits for qualified families who buy new homes or make energy improvements to existing ones, as well as tax breaks to help pay college tuition or buy new cars.

"From investing in small business to buying a home or making it energy efficient, to sending your children to college to buying a car, these tax cuts are helping families and businesses across the country," said Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-Mo.

At the same time, many states raised taxes last year because they are required by state constitutions to balance their budgets, even during a recession. In all, states increased personal income taxes by $11.4 billion, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. They increased sales taxes by $7.2 billion and business taxes by $2 billion.

The biggest tax increase in the health care overhaul is limited to individuals making more than $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000, though other increases would hit lower income taxpayers.

For the first time, the Medicare payroll tax would be applied to investment income, beginning in 2013. A new 3.8 percent tax would be imposed on interest, dividends, capital gains and other investment income for individuals making more than $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000.

The bill also would increase the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percentage point to 2.35 percent on wages above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples filing jointly.

"We know the tax man cometh, and over the next few years, boy, will he be coming with a vengeance," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.
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doctordog
04-15-2010, 01:08 PM
This article is false as it does not address local property, city, insurance, payroll taxes some of us are paying as well.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 01:08 PM
You're just going to confuse them with facts.

CommonCents
04-15-2010, 01:09 PM
Not for long. We are going to see huge tax increases one way or the other, along with higher prices on goods and services as a result of Obama's "tax the rich" strategy.

doctordog
04-15-2010, 01:43 PM
You're just going to confuse them with facts.

The fact that you are the board troll has nothing to do with my taxes. Thanks for playing.;)

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 01:43 PM
The fact that you are the board troll has nothing to do with my taxes. Thanks for playing.;)


You just can't quit me can you? :lmao2:

doctordog
04-15-2010, 01:46 PM
You just can't quit me can you? :lmao2:

You posted to me as usual, You come over knowing this is where I am 100% of the time. Pot meet Kettle.

Send me flowers, they would smell better and look much prettier.:thumbsup:

kres24GT
04-15-2010, 03:21 PM
This is not good, 12.5 trillion in debt, now is not the time for lower taxes. Time to pay up.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 04:15 PM
You posted to me as usual, You come over knowing this is where I am 100% of the time. Pot meet Kettle.

Send me flowers, they would smell better and look much prettier.:thumbsup:

As usual, you have that backwards as anyone can plainly see. You posted to me. You follow me around like a puppy dog. Even a blind man can see it. Prove you don't. Ignore me.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 04:15 PM
This is not good, 12.5 trillion in debt, now is not the time for lower taxes. Time to pay up.

and cut spending.

kres24GT
04-15-2010, 04:19 PM
and cut spending.


Will not happen under Republicans and Democrats. Taxes have to be raised.

doctordog
04-15-2010, 06:26 PM
As usual, you have that backwards as anyone can plainly see. You posted to me. You follow me around like a puppy dog. Even a blind man can see it. Prove you don't. Ignore me.

I was the 2nd poster on this thread, you were 3rd. Take your boring racist trolling ass out of here loser.

Scottbrown2012
04-15-2010, 08:42 PM
WASHINGTON — Last winter's economic stimulus law has put billions of dollars into taxpayers' pockets and the economy this spring, the White House plans to say in a report out today from the Council of Economic Advisers.

The report, coming a day before the April 15 tax deadline, says the law has delivered more than $200 billion in tax relief and other direct benefits, mostly to middle- and lower-income families. More than $70 billion was paid in the past three months.

The $862 billion stimulus law, signed by President Obama in February 2009, included tax breaks for dependent children, college education, first homes, new vehicles, even unemployment benefits. The costliest was a $400 "Making Work Pay" tax credit for individuals and $800 for couples. The credit begins to be phased out at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for couples.



Millions of workers received the tax credit in 2009 through lower payroll tax withholding, which made it largely invisible. Others are receiving part or all of it in the form of tax refunds or a lower tax liability.

Internal Revenue Service figures show the average tax refund this year is nearly $3,000, or 9.4% larger than last year's. The White House report says the tax breaks might not have been noticed, but they were largely spent — which was the idea. As a result, it says, they helped prop up household disposable income and consumer spending during the recession.

Christina Romer, who chairs the Council of Economic Advisers, lauded the stimulus law's impact. "If Republicans want to debate me on whether tax cuts have an impact, I'd be very happy to have that debate," she said. "We think they absolutely have been effective."

Republican lawmakers and leaders of anti-tax groups today will protest what they say are looming tax increases — in the health care law President Obama signed last month and in his budget, which would eliminate tax cuts for upper-income taxpayers passed in 2001 and 2003.

The stimulus law "only looks at one piece of the puzzle," said Ryan Ellis of Americans for Tax Reform, which will be joined by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and several GOP House members at today's event. Ellis cited tax increases in the health law for people who refuse to get insurance, as well as higher thresholds for deducting medical expenses.

Several experts said the tax cuts had the desired effect because they were received through paychecks. "It gets frittered away, which is really what you want done. You want the money spent," said Bob Williams of the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. When rebate checks went out in 2008, he said, about a third of the money was saved.

The report says 2.2 million to 2.8 million jobs have been saved or created through March. Some private forecasters, including Mark Zandi of Moody's Economy.com, put the figure lower: 1.5 million to 1.9 million. "The discrepancies are becoming more apparent," Zandi says. He projects the stimulus will ultimately save or create 2.5 million jobs; the White House says 3.5 million.

The surge in tax cuts propelled the stimulus law to its biggest three-month impact. A total of $112 billion in stimulus funds was spent in the first three months of the year, up from $83 billion in the last quarter of 2009. Total spending reached $373 billion, short of the halfway mark for the two-year package.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-13-stimulus_N.htm

Hawkeye2j
04-15-2010, 10:24 PM
The fact that you are the board troll has nothing to do with my taxes. Thanks for playing.;)
Wayers, all you have is namecalling. That is all you do. No wonder nobody respects your posting.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 10:38 PM
Will not happen under Republicans and Democrats. Taxes have to be raised.

I agree taxes must be raised but spending reduction is the only way to eliminate the bebt.. I propose all corporations doing business in this country pay taxes, foreign, domestic, everyone. INstitute UHC, single payer, remove the insurance companies entirely and the two trillion they cost. Those clerks can go work for the gov't. I would increase Capital Gains taxes to 50% for any person who makes money, from money. Fuck the croupiers of Wall Street they contribute nothing.

Then all tax breaks for corps would be eliminated. Getting the picture?

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 10:40 PM
Wayers, all you have is namecalling. That is all you do. No wonder nobody respects your posting.

It is all his pathetic, fat ass has. You watch, he will follow me around whenever I appear. I mean we've been doing this dance for almost three years now. He's as predictable as the sunrise.

doctordog
04-15-2010, 10:41 PM
Wayers, all you have is namecalling. That is all you do. No wonder nobody respects your posting.

this from someone that call everyone an ass or a moron, fuck you spambot.

Hawkeye2j
04-15-2010, 10:43 PM
this from someone that call everyone an ass or a moron, fuck you spambot.
No, only you because really you invite it.

doctordog
04-15-2010, 10:46 PM
No, only you because really you invite it.

More lies from the board spambot. Can't you contribute anything but this juvenile bullshit or is that how you get your climaxes these days. Is it better for you if I scream "Oh Hawkeye" "OH OH OH HAWKEYE":lmao2:

what a waste of human skin you are.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 10:46 PM
See? One minute behind me. :lmao2:

Hawkeye2j
04-15-2010, 10:52 PM
More lies from the board spambot. Can't you contribute anything but this juvenile bullshit or is that how you get your climaxes these days. Is it better for you if I scream "Oh Hawkeye" "OH OH OH HAWKEYE":lmao2:

what a waste of human skin you are.
Another invitation?

doctordog
04-15-2010, 10:54 PM
another drive by from the racist at Rumble and PG. Never fails this class a nut job comes by. I have 9200 post here to his 1900, we know who is looking for who. I only wish I could give KKKandadesaga the same love back he has for me.

Kanadesaga
04-15-2010, 11:09 PM
he counts posts!!:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Revere
04-16-2010, 12:02 AM
They aren't lower. $13 dollars a week got devoured by a 3.2% real drop in personal wages, higher energy costs, and higher state and local taxes almost on a coast to coast basis.

Tom Paine
04-16-2010, 03:59 AM
Yes, I better insulated my house but energy went up 30% or so I pay the same amount.