Another Obama favor for unions

[doctordog]

Let's see, first it was for 15% of uninsured Americans on healthcare now he is looking out for 15% of construction workers, Impeach this bastard!

Barely 15 percent of all construction-industry workers in the United States are union members, while the remaining 85 percent are nonunion, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. So why has President Obama signed Executive Order 13502 directing federal agencies taking bids for government construction projects to accept only those from contractors who agree in advance to a project labor agreement that requires a union work force? Obama's new order applies to all federal construction projects with price tags of $25 million or more, and it means all such contracts will only be awarded to companies with unionized work forces.

By eliminating the vast majority of potential bidders on federal construction projects, Obama guarantees two things. First, the projects will cost taxpayers more because union labor is always more expensive. And with mandated PLAs, the cost premium for union contractors will be even greater because fewer bidders always means less competition and higher prices. Second, by guaranteeing unions a bigger stream of federal contracts, Obama is making sure that Big Labor, already among the Democrats' biggest sources of campaign cash, will have even more money to hand out for the 2010 and 2012 elections. You scratch our back with taxpayers dollars gleaned through PLA-based federal construction jobs, and we'll scratch your back with campaign contributions. That's the way it works in Obama's business-as-usual Washington. It's also known in some quarters as "the Chicago Way."

"The Obama administration's policy is a slap in the face to the vast majority of construction workers who have chosen not to unionize," said Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation."Qualified nonunion contractors whose workers have opted against unionization will be locked out from large-scale construction projects. The true purpose of so-called project labor agreements is simple: To impose unwanted union boss control on workers from the top down."

Another factor helps explain Obama's willingness to sign an executive order that will put millions more tax dollars in union coffers. Mix points out that unions under PLAs typically exact agreements that include requiring contractors to make payments to union pension funds. This is an increasingly urgent issue, as the Washington Examiner's Mark Hemingway has recently detailed in these pages. According to Labor Department filings, the average union pension has only enough money on hand to cover 62 percent of the benefits it has promised to union members. Pension plans with 80 percent funding are considered "endangered" by federal auditors, while those with less than 65 percent funding are put on the "critical" list. With this latest executive order, it's clear that Obama intends to give unions on the critical list a massive dose of federal tax dollars to cure what ails them.





Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Another-Obama-favor-for-unions-90776984.html#ixzz0l7cvRzXv

[Hawkeye2j]

Let's see, first it was for 15% of uninsured Americans on healthcare now he is looking out for 15% of construction workers, Impeach this bastard!

Barely 15 percent of all construction-industry workers in the United States are union members, while the remaining 85 percent are nonunion, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. So why has President Obama signed Executive Order 13502 directing federal agencies taking bids for government construction projects to accept only those from contractors who agree in advance to a project labor agreement that requires a union work force? Obama's new order applies to all federal construction projects with price tags of $25 million or more, and it means all such contracts will only be awarded to companies with unionized work forces.

By eliminating the vast majority of potential bidders on federal construction projects, Obama guarantees two things. First, the projects will cost taxpayers more because union labor is always more expensive. And with mandated PLAs, the cost premium for union contractors will be even greater because fewer bidders always means less competition and higher prices. Second, by guaranteeing unions a bigger stream of federal contracts, Obama is making sure that Big Labor, already among the Democrats' biggest sources of campaign cash, will have even more money to hand out for the 2010 and 2012 elections. You scratch our back with taxpayers dollars gleaned through PLA-based federal construction jobs, and we'll scratch your back with campaign contributions. That's the way it works in Obama's business-as-usual Washington. It's also known in some quarters as "the Chicago Way."

"The Obama administration's policy is a slap in the face to the vast majority of construction workers who have chosen not to unionize," said Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation."Qualified nonunion contractors whose workers have opted against unionization will be locked out from large-scale construction projects. The true purpose of so-called project labor agreements is simple: To impose unwanted union boss control on workers from the top down."

Another factor helps explain Obama's willingness to sign an executive order that will put millions more tax dollars in union coffers. Mix points out that unions under PLAs typically exact agreements that include requiring contractors to make payments to union pension funds. This is an increasingly urgent issue, as the Washington Examiner's Mark Hemingway has recently detailed in these pages. According to Labor Department filings, the average union pension has only enough money on hand to cover 62 percent of the benefits it has promised to union members. Pension plans with 80 percent funding are considered "endangered" by federal auditors, while those with less than 65 percent funding are put on the "critical" list. With this latest executive order, it's clear that Obama intends to give unions on the critical list a massive dose of federal tax dollars to cure what ails them.





Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Another-Obama-favor-for-unions-90776984.html#ixzz0l7cvRzXv

I guess the others should just Unionize. See, everybody wins.

[CommonCents]

I guess the others should just Unionize. See, everybody wins.

Wrong!

If we go that route, America loses. Why don't you watch the Governor Christie interview on MSNBC and educate yourself on the destruction to America unions are causing.

[doctordog]

I guess the others should just Unionize. See, everybody wins.

Damn, you want the whole country to look like Detroit?

[MintJulep]

Damn, you want the whole country to look like Detroit?Do you really want the answer?

[GetAClue]

I guess the others should just Unionize. See, everybody wins.
So you see nothing wrong with Obama's proposal? You cannot be this dumb.:banghead:

[Hawkeye2j]

Damn, you want the whole country to look like Detroit?
Detroit's problem was not unions, it was management that could not look ahead. The Unions kept trying to rescue the industries with major give backs, yet they still failed. They kept designing vehicles nobody wanted.

[doctordog]

Detroit's problem was not unions, it was management that could not look ahead. The Unions kept trying to rescue the industries with major give backs, yet they still failed. They kept designing vehicles nobody wanted.

Bullshit, nobody wants a suicide camry or lexus. When unions get paid for not working that is nothing but red ink on the P&L and the business will fail.

[Hawkeye2j]

Bullshit, nobody wants a suicide camry or lexus. When unions get paid for not working that is nothing but red ink on the P&L and the business will fail.

You have absolutely no idea how a Union operates. I do. And trust me, unions will do anything to make sure the company succeeds because if the companies fail, they fail.

[doctordog]

You have absolutely no idea how a Union operates. I do. And trust me, unions will do anything to make sure the company succeeds because if the companies fail, they fail.

That is bullshit, we have seen one tire plant after another close in the country due to greedy contacts and obscene contracts. Unions don't give a shit about manufacturers until it is too late. Unions create red ink and make it impossible for us to be competitive.

[Hawkeye2j]

That is bullshit, we have seen one tire plant after another close in the country due to greedy contacts and obscene contracts. Unions don't give a shit about manufacturers until it is too late. Unions create red ink and make it impossible for us to be competitive.
You are full of crap.
In case you haven't noticed, two sides sign contracts and when management screws up, the Unions give back. It always happens.

[doctordog]

You are full of crap.
In case you haven't noticed, two sides sign contracts and when management screws up, the Unions give back. It always happens.

Bullshit, that is why plant after plant closes. Unions suck the life out of profits and could care less.

[Hawkeye2j]

Bullshit, that is why plant after plant closes. Unions suck the life out of profits and could care less.
You are so full of crap. Why does the company sign the contract? They wouldn't sign it if they thought they couldn't afford it.
When things go sour the Unions always have give backs. That is fact. It can't be denied.

[doctordog]

You are so full of crap. Why does the company sign the contract? They wouldn't sign it if they thought they couldn't afford it.
When things go sour the Unions always have give backs. That is fact. It can't be denied.

Damn I have never seen anyone stutter when they type. Earth to dumbass, you just posted that same ignorant shit two post ago.:lmao2:

Continental Tire used to have 6 plants in the US. They have one now, a non union plant it Illinois, why? It is the only one that can maintain a profit.:thumbsup:

[Hawkeye2j]

Damn I have never seen anyone stutter when they type. Earth to dumbass, you just posted that same ignorant shit two post ago.:lmao2:

Continental Tire used to have 6 plants in the US. They have one now, a non union plant it Illinois, why? It is the only one that can maintain a profit.:thumbsup:

You can't answer a question. That is why it is a repeated response. Why does the company sign a contract?

[doctordog]

You can't answer a question. That is why it is a repeated response. Why does the company sign a contract?

To avoid arbitration and yet more red ink. The cost to train new employees in could force closure.

So if you favor contracts how can you be a democrat? Democrats want to let people out of their contracts on their homes. Democrats voted to for healthcare reform where companies no longer honor their contracts. Democrats are traitors and should be tried for crimes against humanity.

[Hawkeye2j]

To avoid arbitration and yet more red ink. The cost to train new employees in could force closure.

So if you favor contracts how can you be a democrat? Democrats want to let people out of their contracts on their homes. Democrats voted to for healthcare reform where companies no longer honor their contracts. Democrats are traitors and should be tried for crimes against humanity.
So you are saying they sign contracts they know will make them go under to avoid going under? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

[doctordog]

So you are saying they sign contracts they know will make them go under to avoid going under? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

They sign them because after years and years with the same employees in todays market no company can afford to seize production for 6 months to 1 year without losing market share, loss of market share means loss of business. I can't believe I have to explain this to you, well I can since you are a punk kid that still popping pimples.

[Hawkeye2j]

They sign them because after years and years with the same employees in todays market no company can afford to seize production for 6 months to 1 year without losing market share, loss of market share means loss of business. I can't believe I have to explain this to you, well I can since you are a punk kid that still popping pimples.
Yes, I am a 51 year old kid. A union will not make a contract demand that a company can't be successful with. That would be suicide for the Union. And they are not into self-destruction.

[Boogie man]

Yes, I am a 51 year old kid. A union will not make a contract demand that a company can't be successful with. That would be suicide for the Union. And they are not into self-destruction.

What do you think of this?

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-new-jersey-teachers-union-official-wants-governor-dead-for-proposing-salary-freeze-2010-4

[doctordog]

Yes, I am a 51 year old kid. A union will not make a contract demand that a company can't be successful with. That would be suicide for the Union. And they are not into self-destruction.

That is why Continental lost every plant down to one which was not union. That is why Goodyear has sold off division after division and closed plant after plant. I think Bridgestone has closed several over the years. GM is closing plants all over along with Chrysler. Union plants will not work because union people are poor workers. How many of the foreign auto makers here are union? Any of them?

Ever notice how many steel mills are sitting idle? If you are indeed 51 you should be embarrassed to post the shit you do here.

[Hawkeye2j]

That is why Continental lost every plant down to one which was not union. That is why Goodyear has sold off division after division and closed plant after plant. I think Bridgestone has closed several over the years. GM is closing plants all over along with Chrysler. Union plants will not work because union people are poor workers. How many of the foreign auto makers here are union? Any of them?

Ever notice how many steel mills are sitting idle? If you are indeed 51 you should be embarrassed to post the shit you do here.
Union workers are the best workers, not the worst. When I was a Union Steward the main instruction given to us was: "The Union does not protect people who do not do their work" That was a major directive to us, the stewards.

[CommonCents]

Yes, I am a 51 year old kid. A union will not make a contract demand that a company can't be successful with. That would be suicide for the Union. And they are not into self-destruction.

Well Hawk, I would very much like your opinion on the interview that Governor Christie of New Jersey did on MSNBC yesterday. It's all about unions.

[Hawkeye2j]

Well Hawk, I would very much like your opinion on the interview that Governor Christie of New Jersey did on MSNBC yesterday. It's all about unions.
I haven't seen it.

[Surfrider]

Let's see, first it was for 15% of uninsured Americans on healthcare now he is looking out for 15% of construction workers, Impeach this bastard!

Well isn't this special. A conservative Republican, and a known George Bush lover pointing a finger of favoritism at Labor Unions. It was not too many months ago that Halliburton got a blank check from the Bush administration worth billions without competitive bidding. You don't hear wayers57 talking about that now do you.

Estimates are that 25-35% of Democrats belong to Labor Unions. It is no secret. With the election of a Democratic Administration it should be no surprise, (as it was with Halliburton), that American Labor has an agenda, and expects results. Those results are not secret, they have been published and are standard Labor Union and Democratic Party issues. Healthcare is one of them. Everything is above board here, unlike Halliburton where the former CEO mandates a contract when he becomes Vice-President of the United States.

http://www4.rgu.ac.uk/graphics/haliburton2.JPG

A name synonimous with "Republican."

[doctordog]

Union workers are the best workers, not the worst. When I was a Union Steward the main instruction given to us was: "The Union does not protect people who do not do their work" That was a major directive to us, the stewards.

Bullshit, it cost almost more to fire a god damn union man that to keep him at their are appeal hearings, arbitration hearings. Unions have sucked the imagination out of America and the leadership in manufacturing we once commanded.

[Boogie man]

I haven't seen it.

What do you think of this?

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-new-jersey-teachers-union-official-wants-governor-dead-for-proposing-salary-freeze-2010-4

[CommonCents]

I haven't seen it.

Well here you go then.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/13/gov_christie_answers_criticism.html

And when your done watching it, you can comment on it here

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13499

[Hawkeye2j]

Bullshit, it cost almost more to fire a god damn union man that to keep him at their are appeal hearings, arbitration hearings. Unions have sucked the imagination out of America and the leadership in manufacturing we once commanded.
Unions do make sure that people are not fired for personality conflicts. People are fired for just cause. There are reasons people can be fired without Union protection. Unions will not protect someone caught stealing. They will not protect someone cursing a customer. They will not protect workplace violence.
Another service the Union provides is it will alleviate the Courts over work.
If it weren't for Unions, wrongful firings would clog the courts.

[Hawkeye2j]

Unions have sucked the imagination out of America and the leadership in manufacturing we once commanded.

Manufacturing was strongest when the Unions were strongest.

[Boogie man]

Unions do make sure that people are not fired for personality conflicts. People are fired for just cause. There are reasons people can be fired without Union protection. Unions will not protect someone caught stealing. They will not protect someone cursing a customer. They will not protect workplace violence.
Another service the Union provides is it will alleviate the Courts over work.
If it weren't for Unions, wrongful firings would clog the courts.

Why are children dropping out of school at a higher rate every year, yet Teacher's unions demand more and more money?

[CommonCents]

Well here you go then.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/13/gov_christie_answers_criticism.html

And when your done watching it, you can comment on it here

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13499

Still waiting there Hawk.

[Hawkeye2j]

Why are children dropping out of school at a higher rate every year, yet Teacher's unions demand more and more money?
In Massachusetts where Unions are strongest, the drop-out rates have been steadily dropping.

Anything else?

[Surfrider]

Unions have sucked the imagination out of America and the leadership in manufacturing we once commanded.

Manufacturing was strongest when the Unions were strongest.

I like your approach, we could use a low-key American thinker here. I agree strongly with your second remark, but am unclear as to your first one. Would you please expand on it. Thank you.

https://store.labornotes.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/255x255/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/m/a/management.800.jpg

[doctordog]

In Massachusetts where Unions are strongest, the drop-out rates have been steadily dropping.

Anything else?

this year was the first year Massachusetts was under 3% for over 10 years, care to rephrase your assumption?

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/massachusetts/high-school-dropout-rate-falls-below-3-percent

[Hawkeye2j]

I like your approach, we could use a low-key American thinker here. I agree strongly with your second remark, but am unclear as to your first one. Would you please expand on it. Thank you.

The first one was a quote from another poster that I was responding to.

[Hawkeye2j]

this year was the first year Massachusetts was under 3% for over 10 years, care to rephrase your assumption?

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/massachusetts/high-school-dropout-rate-falls-below-3-percent
The rates have been dropping since 2006

[Surfrider]

The rates have been dropping since 2006

The rates have been dropping since 2006.

http://www.jdjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/teacher.jpg

[doctordog]

The rates have been dropping since 2006

Not according to that news station on Massachusetts posted 4/2. Why would they lie? or are you lying?

[Hawkeye2j]

Not according to that news station on Massachusetts posted 4/2. Why would they lie? or are you lying?
The high school dropout rate in Massachusetts declined to 3.4 percent during the last school year, according to a state report released yesterday.

The report found that 9,959 students out of nearly 296,000 dropped out of high school in the 2007-2008 school year. That is down from 11,436 students — or 3.8 percent — in 2006-2007.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090417/NEWS/904170357/1116

[CommonCents]

Well here you go then.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/13/gov_christie_answers_criticism.html

And when your done watching it, you can comment on it here

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13499

Well Hawk, have you gotten around to it yet?

[doctordog]

Well Hawk, have you gotten around to it yet?

He hasn't I promise you.

[Hawkeye2j]

He hasn't I promise you.
First of all Joe Scarborough has no idea why Scott Brown got elected in Massachusetts. He got elected because of Martha Coakleys stance on the Fells Day Care case. She wanted to see an innocent man sit in jail. That is why he got elected. Joe is not from Massachusetts and he obviously didn't do any research.

Secondly I agree that everyone should pay into their healthcare. Thirdly the interview only deals with the education cuts. I would be curious to know who else suffered in the cuts. I am not from New Jersey. I can't speak for them.

[doctordog]

Hawkeye2j, one of the things you will pick up on real quickly around here from Conservative Repubs are their desparate comebacks. Currently, they like the word "liar," anyone who disagrees with them is a liar, everyone is a liar, and rarely do they provide anything but another opinion to support their attack.



Isn't it time you ran off and changed your handle again Berk?

[Hawkeye2j]

Isn't it time you ran off and changed your handle again Berk?
What are you talking about? Why do you keep rattling off these names, that in your warped mind you think I am?

[doctordog]

What are you talking about? Why do you keep rattling off these names, that in your warped mind you think I am?

Hey dumbass, it was for that other guy, or is that you too?

[Hawkeye2j]

Hawkeye2j, one of the things you will pick up on real quickly around here from Conservative Repubs are their desparate comebacks. Currently, they like the word "liar," anyone who disagrees with them is a liar, everyone is a liar, and rarely do they provide anything but another opinion to support their attack.

Before "liar" it was "moron," but that is so overused even they don't apply the term themselves. It is too bad, I liked to use "moron" because I thought it was right in there with "white trash," but not any more. I find that if I stop and think a minute when I am exasperated with one of these "self-aggrandizers" I can come up with something not so trite. "LOL, LOL, LOL," I think they banned a guy who used that as his main comment.

Recently, especially the Libertarians like to accuse those they disagree with having some mental deficiency. I just Google "bipolar" or "schiz" and throw the name of some appropriate medication at them, and they shut down.

So, it is good to have someone who thinks and beats the drum, because I am tired of repeating myself to deaf ears. A new, educated, liberal approach is needed. I've written so much of this stuff, I am beginning to think some of it is my ideas! Which by the way extremely little of it is, I go to the Obama/Biden position papers issued before the election. I am pleased to report they are a little slow due to Bush's economics, but moving in the promised direction with their overall promises.

The other night I got some real gravy, a conservative Republican informed me that he was smarter than I was, and would not talk down to my level!!!! Bingo!, that is the kind of win I savor. Just encourage them to talk, they will take themselves down.

The real treat in DCJ when SirMoby gets into it himself. I have only seen it one time. He pulls a "vegamatic" on them. SirMoby can slice and dice in four posts. It is beautiful to watch, and be glad it is not directed at you!

http://www.dcjunkies.com/customavatars/avatar25_2.gif
SirMoby
This is great because the last site I was on, I'll name it was Juniperberry2.
I was the only one that leaned left. It was like a Conservative love fest. They also constantly resorted to namecalling rather than debate. This is much better. There is more representation of all sides here.

[Hawkeye2j]

Hey dumbass, it was for that other guy, or is that you too?
My mistake. I saw my name in the beginning of your quote and assumed.

[doctordog]

My mistake. I saw my name in the beginning of your quote and assumed.

no problem, I have had enough of this baseless arguing. Have a good evening.:thumbsup:

[Hawkeye2j]

no problem, I have had enough of this baseless arguing. Have a good evening.:thumbsup:
You also have a good evening.

[John Galt]

So why has President Obama signed Executive Order 13502 directing federal agencies taking bids for government construction projects to accept only those from contractors who agree in advance to a project labor agreement that requires a union work force?

Whereas this may not have been 'law', it has been the status quo for as long as I can remember. On the state level too.

Over the years, non union companies have skirted the requirement by having at least one crewmember with a union book, and by paying prevailing wage to all of the employees.

The latter requirement was to assure that the bidding was fair to the union bidders.
I assume this won't change much once the law passes.


As Hawkeye points out, there will no doubt be more companies joining the unions, but truthfully, many companies that are big enough to perform these huge jobs are already unionized.

[John Galt]

Union workers are the best workers, not the worst. When I was a Union Steward the main instruction given to us was: "The Union does not protect people who do not do their work" That was a major directive to us, the stewards.
You asked why companies unionize?

Often, they do so in order to get contracts from the large companies that demand union work. Typically, you see this more in the cities.


This is going to continue to be a Union good/Union bad argument here.

Your generalization about the quality of union work is baseless. There may have been a time when union construction was considered superior, because they put the employees through schooling.

With building codes getting tougher every year, there are very few opportunities to get away with shoddy work.


I've been a scab on union jobs more than once. Their guidelines breed incompetence, and certainly do not promote an atmosphere of superior production levels.


We stole tons of work from unions back in the 80's, solely because we didn't watch the clock the way the unions did. We'd get in, and work til the job was done. And...we all made lots of money.

[kres24GT]

Everything is so regulated now there is no need for unions. Is it true that if you are a union member, that you get an exemption on the "Cadillac" health care plan tax?

[Hawkeye2j]

Everything is so regulated now there is no need for unions. Is it true that if you are a union member, that you get an exemption on the "Cadillac" health care plan tax?
I believe you are exempt if it is a company paid health plan. Not necessarily Union. However, it is a clause that was put in to please the Unions.

[Richard Poor]

I guess the others should just Unionize. See, everybody wins.
Everyone except America and her taxpayers.

[Richard Poor]

Damn, you want the whole country to look like Detroit?
Sad, but good point.

[Richard Poor]

Detroit's problem was not unions, it was management that could not look ahead. The Unions kept trying to rescue the industries with major give backs, yet they still failed. They kept designing vehicles nobody wanted.
LMAO! Wow, :banghead:

[Richard Poor]

You have absolutely no idea how a Union operates. I do. And trust me, unions will do anything to make sure the company succeeds because if the companies fail, they fail.
Tell that to the US steel industry, CA, GM, etc... Bah, nm, you are just going to ignore reality anyway, so I'll save myself the hassle of wasting my time.

[Hawkeye2j]

Tell that to the US steel industry, CA, GM, etc... Bah, nm, you are just going to ignore reality anyway, so I'll save myself the hassle of wasting my time.

Poor management always blames the workers. Both sides sign contracts, yet only the Unions give things back when things go sour.

[GetAClue]

Poor management always blames the workers. Both sides sign contracts, yet only the Unions give things back when things go sour.
And you believe that company profits don't suffer and management doesn't take hits to employment? I hate to tell you this, but I've been there. Usually it is the unions that are the impediment to cost reductions. They have "Contacts" while the average white collar worker can be let go at the drop of a hat

[Hawkeye2j]

And you believe that company profits don't suffer and management doesn't take hits to employment? I hate to tell you this, but I've been there. Usually it is the unions that are the impediment to cost reductions. They have "Contacts" while the average white collar worker can be let go at the drop of a hat
Labor is a cost of doing business. Business does not dictate its other costs. They either pay a set price or negotiate. Labor negotiates. If a company accepts a contract which they can't afford, that is poor management. If they get into trouble it means they did a poor job of forcasting their business for the term of the contract. Unions are always willing to re-negotiate if the company shows they are in financial hardship.

[GetAClue]

Labor is a cost of doing business. Business does not dictate its other costs. They either pay a set price or negotiate. Labor negotiates. If a company accepts a contract which they can't afford, that is poor management. If they get into trouble it means they did a poor job of forcasting their business for the term of the contract. Unions are always willing to re-negotiate if the company shows they are in financial hardship.
God you're stupid.

You are correct that business does not dictate its OTHER costs, but they can control Labor costs.

One of the things that companies CANNOT do is acurately predict future markets. As markets change, business must adapt. When long term union contracts are signed and the market changes, unions usually are the last holdout to adapting to said market changes.

[Hawkeye2j]

God you're stupid.

You are correct that business does not dictate its OTHER costs, but they can control Labor costs.

One of the things that companies CANNOT do is acurately predict future markets. As markets change, business must adapt. When long term union contracts are signed and the market changes, unions usually are the last holdout to adapting to said market changes.
Not true. The holdout on Union givebacks is the reluctance of the companies to open their books to the Union leadership. Why should they just accept the word of companies that shows them in trouble? Make it an open process and the speed of the re-negotiation will increase dramatically.

[Boogie man]

Not true. The holdout on Union givebacks is the reluctance of the companies to open their books to the Union leadership. Why should they just accept the word of companies that shows them in trouble? Make it an open process and the speed of the re-negotiation will increase dramatically.

Why are kids dropping out a higher rate each year and Teachers keep asking for more money and benefits?

[mwillman]

Why are kids dropping out a higher rate each year and Teachers keep asking for more money and benefits?

Kid are dropping out more because of No Child left behind they dont pass a test and then drop out because they don't want to be left behind.

I'm not saying its the right thing to do but it is what happens often.

[kres24GT]

Kid are dropping out more because of No Child left behind they dont pass a test and then drop out because they don't want to be left behind.

I'm not saying its the right thing to do but it is what happens often.


NCLB. Another great example of the failures of Big Government.

[Boogie man]

Kid are dropping out more because of No Child left behind they dont pass a test and then drop out because they don't want to be left behind.

I'm not saying its the right thing to do but it is what happens often.

That's a bunch of BS. If they don't pass a test then the teacher is not teaching and the system is broken. Throwing money at it is not the answer, but it seems to be the only thing libs know. They just throw money at stuff and hope for change.

[doctordog]

The name of the game is WIN. As my late Grandmother used to say, sitting underneath her family crest, "Success is expected, not desired." I leave you with that thought for now. Please, if you have any other little hints about me, just lay them out, I am available to DCJ.


Go crazy somewhere else, whatever the fuck your name is, no one gives a shit.:thumbsup:

[Surfrider]

Go crazy somewhere else, whatever the fuck your name is, no one gives a shit.:thumbsup:

Well strange you should mention that. You an enemy of American compassion.

Well, there is real, and then there not. It makes me think I'll stick with "Surfrider," and American labor unions. I am just a guy who went to Southern Illinois University in coal country where people live below the poverty level. Coal country where you owe your soul, (literally) to the company store. In 1951 West Frankfort, IL experienced one of the worst coal mine disasters in American history. 153 people died. 153 families lost a member because a mine owner skimped on safety measures. Here is the photo of the President of the United Mine Workers, John L. Lewis, when he came out of that mine shaft after seeing the 153 dead.

http://blogs.wvgazette.com/coaltattoo/files/2009/03/lewis22.jpg

So, you (plural or singular), sit in your "so-called, 'control room" of a web site that is dying because you have forgotten your purpose. Instead as you dig into the private files of your membership, you have no consideration for the privacy of DCJ members. All in all, you did a hell of a job in your hey-day before you lost your perspective. You accomplished something to be proud of. You made a mark, and set new standards.

[Libertarian94]

Go crazy somewhere else, whatever the fuck your name is, no one gives a shit.:thumbsup:


Amen:thumbsup:

[Surfrider]

Amen:thumbsup: