O'Reilly gets it, why doesn't the left?

[CommonCents]

Whether you love him, or hate him, Bill O'Reilly dishes out a hard dose of reality on his Tuesday "Talking Points Memo", that liberals will be hard pressed to argue with.

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[Hawkeye2j]

Whether you love him, or hate him, Bill O'Reilly dishes out a hard dose of reality on his Tuesday "Talking Points Memo", that liberals will be hard pressed to argue with.

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It is a flat out lie. Most people under Obama received tax cuts. The corporations are cutting payroll while fattening their own pockets. That is where the money is going.

[kres24GT]

It sucks, but the way it has to be under Dem/Repub rule, we have to pay what we voted for, which is going to mean higher taxes and in turn means lower wages.

What people do not realize is the rich will always get their money, the tax burden will always be carried by the middle class. For those who voted for Bush, McCain, Obama, and put Big Spending Republicans and Democrats in Congress the past 10 years, this is what you voted for.

[Hawkeye2j]

It sucks, but the way it has to be under Dem/Repub rule, we have to pay what we voted for, which is going to mean higher taxes and in turn means lower wages.

What people do not realize is the rich will always get their money, the tax burden will always be carried by the middle class. For those who voted for Bush, McCain, Obama, and put Big Spending Republicans and Democrats in Congress the past 10 years, this is what you voted for.
Re-writing history? The biggest spenders in history have been Republicans. And like I said most people received tax cuts. Under your Republican rule only the top ten percent received tax relief. So your whole post is flawed.

[CommonCents]

It is a flat out lie. Most people under Obama received tax cuts. The corporations are cutting payroll while fattening their own pockets. That is where the money is going.

Are you trying to tell us, that corporations are the ones who have the state and federal governments cash? Are you trying to say that states and the federal government aren't broke?

I don't get what it is your trying to say, and what it has to do with what O'Reilly said?

[CommonCents]

Re-writing history? The biggest spenders in history have been Republicans. And like I said most people received tax cuts. Under your Republican rule only the top ten percent received tax relief. So your whole post is flawed.

Not this tired old lie again. Try researching the facts.

Then do us all a favor and address what O'Reilly said.

[Hawkeye2j]

Are you trying to tell us, that corporations are the ones who have the state and federal governments cash? Are you trying to say that states and the federal government aren't broke?

I don't get what it is your trying to say, and what it has to do with what O'Reilly said?

The post has nothing to do with State and Federal governments cash. Try reading. The post has to do with personal income.

[CommonCents]

The post has nothing to do with State and Federal governments cash. Try reading. The post has to do with personal income.

This thread is on what Bill O'Reilly said in his Talking Points Memo. I know, because I started it!

[CommonCents]

Here, let me make it easy for you to address the topic. Here are the transcripts:

As we have been reporting, America's broke. Not only do the feds owe $13 trillion, but cities and towns all over the USA are going bankrupt.

For example, in Los Angeles, some murder investigations have stopped, as detectives are being sent home to balance out overtime costs. In Ohio, Ashtabula County authorities have cut so many cops from the payroll, they're telling citizens to arm themselves, that they can't protect them. In Colorado Springs, a third of the street lights have been turned off. Residents are being asked to donate money to get the lights back on. And in Chicago Heights, Illinois, emergency services may charge you if you need help. Recently a guy involved in an accident, not his fault, was billed $200 bucks.

All of this is happening because of the wild government spending over the past decade. And things are going to get worse.

Here's what you can expect. A national sales tax. The Obama administration can't pay its bills, so expect a European-style VAT on stuff we buy. The states will start issuing more tickets: parking, speeding, anything they can think of. The states will also raise fees on everything. And you'll be taxed on anything that moves, including out-of-state purchases.

This is war, ladies and gentlemen. A war on your wallet.

So far under President Obama, personal income
has fallen more than three percent. That means we are making less money and the government's taking more of less. The state of California is bankrupt. New York state can't meet its obligations. New Jersey is bleeding. The list is endless.

On Long Island, where I live, they're even closing the pool at Jones Beach State Park. You can't even go in the pool anymore because they don't have any money.

This is what the entitlement culture brings. This is what high union pensions and unsupervised disability payments bring. The states don't have any money. The feds owe trillions. Yet, spending continues to rise.

Even the uber-left in America now understands what Gov. Schwarzenegger understands. You can't spend money you don't have without creating a disaster.

Now go for it.

[kres24GT]

Re-writing history? The biggest spenders in history have been Republicans. And like I said most people received tax cuts. Under your Republican rule only the top ten percent received tax relief. So your whole post is flawed.

I am going to guess you did not read what I wrote. Your comments make no sense in relation to what I wrote.

[Hawkeye2j]

O'reilly said, personal income has fallen more than 3%, the government is taking more of it. I am saying for a worker that is not true. Income has fallen yes but it is to fatten the corporate pockets.

[kres24GT]

If you have voted for a single republican or democrat the last 10 years, you got exactly what you voted for. Time for us to pay up. We almost universally voted for this.

[Hawkeye2j]

Here, let me make it easy for you to address the topic. Here are the transcripts:

As we have been reporting, America's broke. Not only do the feds owe $13 trillion, but cities and towns all over the USA are going bankrupt.

For example, in Los Angeles, some murder investigations have stopped, as detectives are being sent home to balance out overtime costs. In Ohio, Ashtabula County authorities have cut so many cops from the payroll, they're telling citizens to arm themselves, that they can't protect them. In Colorado Springs, a third of the street lights have been turned off. Residents are being asked to donate money to get the lights back on. And in Chicago Heights, Illinois, emergency services may charge you if you need help. Recently a guy involved in an accident, not his fault, was billed $200 bucks.

All of this is happening because of the wild government spending over the past decade. And things are going to get worse.

Here's what you can expect. A national sales tax. The Obama administration can't pay its bills, so expect a European-style VAT on stuff we buy. The states will start issuing more tickets: parking, speeding, anything they can think of. The states will also raise fees on everything. And you'll be taxed on anything that moves, including out-of-state purchases.

This is war, ladies and gentlemen. A war on your wallet.

So far under President Obama, personal income
has fallen more than three percent. That means we are making less money and the government's taking more of less. The state of California is bankrupt. New York state can't meet its obligations. New Jersey is bleeding. The list is endless.

On Long Island, where I live, they're even closing the pool at Jones Beach State Park. You can't even go in the pool anymore because they don't have any money.

This is what the entitlement culture brings. This is what high union pensions and unsupervised disability payments bring. The states don't have any money. The feds owe trillions. Yet, spending continues to rise.

Even the uber-left in America now understands what Gov. Schwarzenegger understands. You can't spend money you don't have without creating a disaster.

Now go for it.

Don't patronize me. I understand this better than you. I stopped at the first sentence by O'reilly on the screen because he begins with a false statement, therefore the entire post becomes garbage.

[kres24GT]

O'reilly said, personal income has fallen more than 3%, the government is taking more of it. I am saying for a worker that is not true. Income has fallen yes but it is to fatten the corporate pockets.


As I said, the rich will always get theirs. When you raise taxes on them, they pass it on to the middle class with lower wagers and higher prices.

The middle class will always carry the majority of the tax burden. For us middle class folks, we are about to pay big time. I hate O'Rielly, but he is right, we are about to get get taxed hard. But it is what we voted for.

[CommonCents]

O'reilly said, personal income has fallen more than 3%, the government is taking more of it. I am saying for a worker that is not true. Income has fallen yes but it is to fatten the corporate pockets.

So, you agree with O'Reilly. Why didn't you just say so, instead of trying to make excuses for the progressive agenda?

Now that we've established that, what is the solution in your mind? More social programs or less spending?

[CommonCents]

His first sentense reads:

As we have been reporting, America's broke. Not only do the feds owe $13 trillion, but cities and towns all over the USA are going bankrupt.

This is what you call a false statement?

[kres24GT]

Great job by you two trying to blame this on each other. Both parties did this. Bush and the Republican Congress of 2001-2007 are just as guilty as Obama and Democratic Congress presently.

While you two bicker about which party is worse, they just keep spending and spending. A great way to ensure the destruction of this country is continue this partisan bickering instead of uniting against the politicians.

[CommonCents]

Great job by you two trying to blame this on each other. Both parties did this. Bush and the Republican Congress of 2001-2007 are just as guilty as Obama and Democratic Congress presently.

While you two bicker about which party is worse, they just keep spending and spending. A great way to ensure the destruction of this country is continue this partisan bickering instead of uniting against the politicians.

What in the hell are you talking about?

I agree with O'Reilly, and I'm all for cutting the spending. I don't give a rats ass about blame here, I just want solutions. The current administration and the current party in power, have made it clear that they are not interested in anything but pushing their progressive agenda.

We need change. Not the change that Obama is offering.

[CommonCents]

Hey kres, someone is offering solutions, but I notice you haven't commented on them.

Why don't you take a look at the following thread and tell me your thoughts.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13499

[kres24GT]

Hey kres, someone is offering solutions, but I notice you haven't commented on them.

Why don't you take a look at the following thread and tell me your thoughts.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13499


Yes, Republicans love to talk about being fiscally responsible. But once in power they don't do it.

And yes the Republican party has a few real fiscal conservatives like Ron Paul and Christie (maybe). But overall the party spends like crazy and runs huge deficits. That is why I will not vote for them.

[Hawkeye2j]

So, you agree with O'Reilly. Why didn't you just say so, instead of trying to make excuses for the progressive agenda?

Now that we've established that, what is the solution in your mind? More social programs or less spending?
I think you are having difficulty with comprehension. O'reilly said it is because government is taking more of their money, and I am saying the greedy corporations are cutting the payroll for their own benefit.

[CommonCents]

I think you are having difficulty with comprehension. O'reilly said it is because government is taking more of their money, and I am saying the greedy corporations are cutting the payroll for their own benefit.

So are you saying that O'Reilly is wrong about the financial situation both states and the federal government are faced with now?

That is the topic of discussion and your knit picking doesn't address the crux of what he said. How about you address the actual topic here, instead of trying to avoid the topic by playing gotcha games? Are you capable of doing that, or is partisanship all you capable of?

Here, I'll again make it easy for you. Address the last two paragraphs of what O'Reilly said:

This is what the entitlement culture brings. This is what high union pensions and unsupervised disability payments bring. The states don't have any money. The feds owe trillions. Yet, spending continues to rise.

Even the uber-left in America now understands what Gov. Schwarzenegger understands. You can't spend money you don't have without creating a disaster.

Now go for it.

[CosmicRocker]

Yes, Republicans love to talk about being fiscally responsible. But once in power they don't do it.

And yes the Republican party has a few real fiscal conservatives like Ron Paul and Christie (maybe). But overall the party spends like crazy and runs huge deficits. That is why I will not vote for them.
I'm very in tune with your idea, one reason i finally left all parties
( was life long Dem.)

Here's the problem.
Congress can't stop spending -Congressppl of either party, as you said.
There is only so much "dicressionary spending" in a fical year.
Most of it is already spoken for, except defense.
(entitlement committments)

Not voting for either party sounds good - but where do we go?

3rd party? -waste your vote
sit it out? my civics won't let me do it.

so i wind up just marking the ballot for the individual whom i think will do the least fiscal damage.

[kres24GT]

I'm very in tune with your idea, one reason i finally left all parties
( was life long Dem.)

Here's the problem.
Congress can't stop spending -Congressppl of either party, as you said.
There is only so much "dicressionary spending" in a fical year.
Most of it is already spoken for, except defense.
(entitlement committments)

Not voting for either party sounds good - but where do we go?

3rd party? -waste your vote
sit it out? my civics won't let me do it.

so i wind up just marking the ballot for the individual whom i think will do the least fiscal damage.


The only wasted vote is the one cast for Republicans and Democrats.