Senator Craig's resignation is BAD for the country !

[stnmann]

Maybe, if he hadn't criticized Clinton, he'd have more support.

Is that possible, or are we a hopelessly immature society.

My premise is, if Senator Craig wants to keep his sexual preferences in the closet, he should have that right, even if he is

a public figure.

Privacy is freedom too:

Clinton was right too. He did not have sex with THAT woman and what HE does with HIS cigar is HIS business.

LEAST I'M CONSISTENT -VOTE FOR ME !

http://surftofind.com/president

[Bill]

Maybe, if he hadn't criticized Clinton, he'd have more support. My premise is, if Senator Craig wants to keep his sexual preferences in the closet, he should have that right,
Clinton was right too. He did not have sex with THAT woman and what HE does with HIS cigar is HIS business.


There ya go!

It's all Clinton's fault.

[Krome]

Keeping your sexual preferences in the closet is one thing but when you are a hypocrit it is another.

[Linkster]

Id support anyone that was honest about their little fantasies - I dont care if theyre gay or if they like sheep, if they at least are up front about it and dont take an opposing view when boting and stumping around for votes - theyre freedom to do what they want is fine - as long as it is legal (I guess that sheep statement would only apply to Texas and a few other states where beastiality - or "animal husbandry" is still legal)

[kres24GT]

Maybe, if he hadn't criticized Clinton, he'd have more support.

Is that possible, or are we a hopelessly immature society.

My premise is, if Senator Craig wants to keep his sexual preferences in the closet, he should have that right, even if he is

a public figure.

Privacy is freedom too:

Clinton was right too. He did not have sex with THAT woman and what HE does with HIS cigar is HIS business.

LEAST I'M CONSISTENT -VOTE FOR ME !

http://surftofind.com/president


The Senator is another hypocritical politician. It's OK for him to be gay, pay for sex, and get nasty in a bathroom stall, but if you or I want to do it, he thinks it should be illegall. For this reason alone, toss him.

[mwillman]

Personally, I dont care if Craig wants to get his jollies in an airport bathroom. What bothers me is his hypocracy and the governments.

[stnmann]

In my Administration, sex and privacy would not be an option, it would be law !

vote for me

http://surftofind.com/president


:hi:

[Betty Blowtorch]

Ex-Senator Craig's Bathroom Sex Scandal
has been a bonanza for late-night comics:

"Larry Craig, the conservative senator and hardcore heterosexual from
Idaho, insists that he is not gay. In fact, he's anti-gay marriage and
anti-gays in the military. He's anti-gay everything but sex."
--Jimmy Kimmel

"Gay groups are calling Craig a hypocrite because Craig is a staunch
opponent of gay marriage. Craig denied he's a hypocrite, saying, 'Hey,
I wasn't trying to marry the cop in the bathroom.'" --Conan O'Brien

"A lot of people are calling Senator Craig a hypocrite because he was
a very vocal opponent of same-sex marriages. But to be fair, he has
never come out publicly against anonymous gay bathroom sex."
--Jay Leno

"All of Boise, Idaho, is abuzz with the story of Larry Craig. The police
report says he tapped his foot, which means 'I want gay sex.' And, also
means I'll never wear my iPod to the bathroom again." --Jimmy Kimmel

"Several prominent Republicans are calling on Sen. Larry Craig to resign.
And a couple are asking for his phone number." --David Letterman

"Sen. Larry Craig, who pled guilty to soliciting sex at an airport, is now
being accused of having oral sex at a train station. When asked about it,
Craig said, 'What can I say? I love public transportation.'" --Conan O'Brien

"See, I don't think his family was surprised by these revelations. In fact,
today his wife said she first became suspicious because every time he
had to use the bathroom, he would fly to Minneapolis." --Jay Leno

"How about that poor Senator Craig from Idaho? So he gets arrested
in a men's room there at the airport in Minneapolis. And here's the deal
now. He's now in Stage One of a political sex scandal: defiance.
Stage Two: stepping down to spend more time with his family.
Stage Three: 'I'm gay and I'm proud!'" --David Letterman

"Don't kid yourself, this Craig is in a tough spot. When you're up for
re-election, you don't want to be known as 'The Restroom Don Juan.'"
--David Letterman

"The guy was arrested for lewd behavior in the men's room, and I'm
thinking, 'Well, hell. I'm lucky if I can get a hand dryer to blow'"
--David Letterman

"Senator Larry Craig declared he won't quit and he's not gay. And
then Craig said 'I'm sorry. I meant to say I won't quit being gay.'"
--Conan O'Brien

"Now there's more trouble for Senator Craig. First he's accused of
soliciting gay sex at an airport. Now he's accused of soliciting gay
sex at a train station. Craig denied the charges and said if you'll
excuse me, I have to get ready for a big night at the bus terminal."
--Conan O'Brien

"Idaho Senator Larry Craig is now being called the hole from Idaho."
--Jay Leno

"This whole thing has to be very frustrating for the Republican Party.
All these gay sex scandals and they still can't get any support from
Hollywood." --Jay Leno

"Because of the scandal he had to resign his position on the Mitt Romney
campaign. ... So not much chance of getting his mitts on Romney now."
--Jay Leno

"Senator Larry Craig, a married, very anti-gay conservative Republican,
was arrested by a plainclothes police officer for lewd conduct in a
Minneapolis airport men's room. Today the senator's office said it was
all a big misunderstanding. Apparently what happened was when the
senator went in to use the restroom, he accidentally grabbed the
wrong penis." --Jay Leno

"There's a very simple explanation for all of this. Larry Craig is gayer
than a barrel of Andy Dicks." --Jimmy Kimmel

"The undercover police officer said the senator tried to reach under
"the stall to touch him, but the senator said, no, he wasn't trying to
touch him, he was only trying to pick up a piece of paper off the floor.
Who picks up paper off the floor in the men's room? I don't even like
when my shoe laces touch the floor in the men's room." --Jay Leno

"You know who I feel sorry for in this whole thing? The undercover cop.
How'd you like to have that job. Sit in an airport bathroom all day, your
pants around your ankles with a coffee and a donut waiting for guys to
hit on you." --Jay Leno

"Sen. Craig is married. Apparently he told his wife, don't worry about
having dinner ready to me. I'm going to wolf down a hot dog at the
airport." --Jay Leno

"The Democrats may have control of the House, but the Republicans
have control of the bathrooms." --Jay Leno

"Sen. Craig gave a press conference today where he said, I'm not gay,
I've never been way. Then he apologized to his wife, Liza Minelli."
--Jay Leno

"There's another scandal in Washington. One of the senator's from Idaho,
Larry Craig, was arrested in airport men's room. Gives new meaning to the
word caucusing.'" --David Letterman

"Sen. Craig said he made a mistake by pleading guilty. And I was thinking,
maybe that was your second mistake." --David Letterman

"The way I look at it, anyone who spends more than two minutes in an
airport men's room is guilty of something." --David Letterman

My idea of getting lucky in the men's room is when the motion censor
works on the faucet" --David Letterman

"Larry Craig has pled guilty to lewd guilty in a men's room. .The senator
said I wanted to reach out to all my constituents and their penises."
--Conan O'Brien

"Needless to say, Senator Craig is also anti-gay marriage and gays in the
military, which I think, shows he doesn't let his personal needs interfere
with his work." --Jimmy Kimmel

[Jennifer]

Personally, I dont care if Craig wants to get his jollies in an airport bathroom. What bothers me is his hypocracy and the governments.


Point 1) He is not a hypocrit. He was anti-gay marraige. He is not married to another man. To be a hypocrit, he would have to be engaged in a gay marriage.

Point 2) It's just about sex!

[Linkster]

On point 2 - I agree that it should be "just sex" - unfortunately this country likes to legislate sex thereby making it "laws" instead of just "sex"

On point 1 - Craig is extremely anti-gay and has proven it since 1996 with speeches, votes etc - to the degree that he has been awarded recognition by the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council for his anti-gay stance. He is not just anti-gay marriage - he has voted against and talked against adding gays and lesbians violence to the hate crimes act and was one of the staunch supporters and creators of the "dont ask - dont tell" policy for the military.

Definition:
Hypocrisy is the act of condemning or calling for the condemnation of another person when the critic is guilty of the act for which he demands that the accused be condemned.

[Jennifer]

You have to look at his voting record. He has never voted to ban sodomy or other activities the gay and lesbian community rely on for their sexual pleasures.

He has only voted against Gay Marriage and for DOMES.

Now, if he was married to another man, that would make him a hypocrit.

[mwillman]

It was the republican party that ousted him jennifer so write your congressmen/women.

[Jennifer]

It was the republican party that ousted him jennifer so write your congressmen/women.


I know. Republicans move to oust those caught in sexual indiscriminaties while democrats move to put those caught in sexually ambiguous situations and who have connections to crime and terrorism in public office.

[mwillman]

Come on jennifer stop making such easily disprovable statements.

Just two words, Mark Foley.

[Linkster]

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.

[Jennifer]

Come on jennifer stop making such easily disprovable statements.

Just two words, Mark Foley.


Republicans ran him out too. The Democrats never censured him.

[mwillman]

They ran him out after years of hiding it. They only responded months after it became public knowledge.

That is called hypocracy. It was par for the course with the republican congress at the time which proved to be the biggest spending least moral congress in modern history.

[Linkster]

I think if you check - censure is used very rarely - last time it was passed in congress against a president was 1848
The last senator censured was 1990 David Durenberger a Republican from Minnesota for "monetary issues"
and the last Representative was I believe Gerry Studds for his sexual behaviour with a congressional male page

[Jennifer]

Wow, you mean, they didn't just run him out of office because he was gay? You mean, the TOLERANT party is the Republican Party?

[mwillman]

twist twist twist.

You seen to want to dance rather then discuss.

They hid it becuase they didnt care. Thats not the same as being tolerant.
Tolerant would mean treating them as equals not subjugating them becuase of a possible accident of birth.

Once he was outed they dropped him like a hot potato not becuase they were offended but becuase they didnt want to piss off thier base, the religiously ignorant.

[Linkster]

Actually the censure vote was in 1983 by a democratic congress - and a republican congressman was also censured at the same time(Crane) - both of them admitted to consensual sex and that was legal as both of the pages were of legal age - of course Stubbs was an openly gay representative and had made it known before he ran for election - he also stayed in congress after the censure for many years wheras Crane left

[Jennifer]

twist twist twist.

You seen to want to dance rather then discuss.

They hid it becuase they didnt care. .


Exactly. They did not care because it did not matter if he was straight or gay. Republicans don't persecute a man for his sexual orientation. Only the democrats seem to make a big deal out of someone's sexual orientation, so much so, they almost salivate at the thought of finding a gay man to run out of office.


Think about it. Turn off the talk radio, turn off the TV, open your mind. It'll become clear to you eventually.



Also, Gary Studds, Linkster, had sex with under age pages. Mark Foley had sex with pages over the age of consent. Both had consent, one was just statutory rape, the other was conviction of being a gay republican.

[mwillman]

There are many forms of persecution.

Denying equal rights to people becuase they are different is one form.

You seem to read what I say but you don't seem to be able to understand the basic meaning.

Forcing them to hide becuase it bothers someone is another form of prosecution.

Then forcing them out of office becuase they are found out is another form of prosecution.

This and much more has been done in the name of republican ideals.

[Jennifer]

I don't see anyone forcing anyone to hide. However, if they CHOOSE to hide, that is their perrogative. Or do you think the sexual orientation of everyone should be on their resume?


As for forcing them out of office, that is only done once it has been turned into a scandal. Democrats turn it into a scandal, but Republicans take the one who the scandal is about and convince them to resign from office. I'd wager a lucrative deal is made and they are not just resigning with nothing.


You make it sound like Republicans run people out just for being gay. That's patently untrue. Cheney's daughter is gay, she's welcome. Lots of politicians and their family members are gay, all are welcome.


As for marriage, if you want gay marriage, then pass a law. If you cannot get a law passed, then it is the people of the country, not the Republicans that are stopping you. My personal feelings is there should be no marriage anyway, for hetero or homo sexuals. Make them all Civil Unions and have a completely secular institution for everyone. That way there is no discrimination.

[mwillman]

Please name all the outed repubilcan congressman that you can that are treated fairly and with respect?

You do remember when the republican congress tried to have a constitutional amendment added to single out gays.

Man, where does your delusion end.

[Jennifer]

Actually, they tried to have an amendment to define what marriage was. They did not try to make it illegal to be gay. Get your facts straight.

Anyway, every republican congressman who was removed from the party because of a constructed scandal against them by the democrat party was probably treated fairly. Scandals are easiest to dismiss when the person steps down from office. Much harder to rally behind them and point out that the democrats are being hypocrits by attacking a man because he is gay while claiming to be friends with the gays and lesbians.


Name one democrat that a republican has outed and tried to turn his sex life into a scandal.

[Linkster]

Also, Gary Studds, Linkster, had sex with under age pages. Mark Foley had sex with pages over the age of consent. Both had consent, one was just statutory rape, the other was conviction of being a gay republican.

Actually - Studds had a consensual relationship with a 17 yr old page which in Wash DC was legal - over 16 was the legal age - which is why he was never accused of a crime and stayed in congress and even married his lifelong male partner when Mass made it legal

http://www.patriotledger.com/articles/2005/05/14/news/news03.txt

[stefan segal]

Jennifer...I coudn't locate the security logs which show the times, including overnight stays, of this male prostitute's after hours stays with our fearless leader in his private digs, but I did find some other tidbits having to do with repug conservsative's idea of fun-time in the dark.

This is a piece of a piece posted below...apparently the full list is available from the link also listed below.

I hope from this, ( I can post more on repug "family values" if this below doesn't give you a proper hint.), you will discern the difference between repug sex hysteria, against dem's enjoyment of the activity.

Stefan


http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/1228/print

Deviant Conservative Males: an Analysis
By Ben Tripp
Created Sep 30 2006 - 3:50pm
Joke:
Q: What's the hardest part of being a child molester?
A: Getting the blood out of your clown suit.

Mr. St. Clair of CounterPunch recently supplied me with a list of sex crimes committed by prominent conservative Republicans. The list originated on Wikipedia, and he found it here [1], probably while surfing the Internet for Lolita pictures.

It is replete with cross-references and is genuine.

Mr. St. Clair, being high on dope, thought I would find the list interesting. He probably did not think I would read the entire thing aloud to my co-workers at the Philistine Worker's Daily, to heartbreaking cries of horror and implorations that I stop before their minds were so tainted they were rendered unfit for wedlock.

I now bring you a mere sample of the list of crimes, all of them heinous, so that you might begin to see a pattern among them. I know I did. (A similar and more comprehensive list, including crimes can be found here [2]. It will make your hair curl, uncurl, crawl under the sofa, and die.)

Here is the sample of the list supplied to me by St. Clair. You can't make this shit up.

-- Republican Commissioner ( of Richland County, Ohio ) David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

-- Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives, Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.


-- Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

-- Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Schiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002 .

-- Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

-- Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

-- Republican pastor Mike Hintz,a First Assembly of God youth pastor whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

-- Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

-- Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

-- Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

-- Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, the Susan Smith who drowned her adorable two sons "in cold blood" in a South Carolina lake in 1995.

-- Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

-- Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

-- Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

-- Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

-- Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

-- Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

-- Republican Tennessee State Representative, Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

-- Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran.

-- Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

-- Republican candidate Richard Gardner,a Nevada State Representative, admitted to molesting his two daughters.

-- Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.

-- Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

-- Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
-- Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz).

-- Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent University, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbyist Jack Abramoff to Reed, was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

-- Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

-- Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

-- Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

-- Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

-- Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women. He was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl, and his sentences added up to 126 years in prison.

-- Age 62 Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Denton County, Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

-- Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey plead guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

-- Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

My subject is the so-called conservative male, by which I mean the social conservative, not the fiscal conservative; fiscal conservatives are mean-spirited sons of bitches, but are not necessarily psychotic.

Both groups should stop breathing, but while one of them would be performing a courtesy in so doing, the other would be securing the future of the species.

The depravity of the conservative male is in exact counter-proportion to the degree of righteousness towards which that conservative pretends. Or to put it another way, show me a pillar and I will show you a pervert.

[stnmann]

everybody's a hypocrite.

Time for a change, this ought to do it. (http://surftofind.com/president)

[stefan segal]

I've seen hillsary when she thought she had power...meaning those first months when husband Bill took the chair in the oval office, and it wasn't pretty.

I would hate to see such an attitude toward people...(her own people at that time, the world if president), magnafied and given our armed forces to direct at her whim and will.

I also believe she has drawn a lot of her bottom line last ditch strength from Big Dog also, and I would hate to see her spite him if he disagrees with her, not by braking china or shooting him with the old shotgun, but by bombing some undeserving country with HER nukes.

I should think after this current piece of shit and Bill's illadvised rush into NAFTA and all those other international trade agreements that broke our country's ability to compete with slave labor and sweat shops, consequently loosing our capacity and infrastructure to even meet our own country's needs if our dollar completes its rush to turn to crap and imports equally cost too much to afford, that we would strive not to install some other corporate-animal whose biggest difference from the institutionalized corporate whores who run our government is that she sits to pee.

What we need is a sure hand...an Ed Rendell (governor of Penna)...short of that or his like, I believe Edwards is most likely to face the incredible challenges and monsterous repug shit that will come to light with a change of party in the administrative office.

Hillary is too quick to get a case of the ass and act out of it...while Edwards has stuck to his objective alone in the field (of no one), ever since kerry stabbed him in the ass by giving in before anyone could even bring all the charges of voter corruption to the light of day. (I'm certain kerry was bought for this act when kerry's numbers shot up for no reason while equally trashing the front runner for giving hockey yell)

This would be a great dissappointment to anyone...especially since Edwards too had numbers in Iowa higher than Kerry.

My point is that Edwards will stick to it...get the job done. We are headed into some really bad times for americans as the seeds planted by this idiot administration come to fruition..ecconomically, internationally...especially demands on our armed forces, as most of the world hates us, and our inability to pay for all those whose acess to the most basic needs will be beyond their ecconomic grasp...not to mention the two billion a day required just to service our national debt (meaning to pay the interest on what is owed).

All these disasterous turns this last world's superpower death throes will be layed at the new president's feet, as happening on his watch...hillary doesn't have the internal depth of calm to keep it together longer than a photo shoot.

Not someone to guide our country through this comming storm.

Stefan