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Pat

04-05-2010, 10:26 AM

mrmeangenes

04-05-2010, 12:13 PM

And I thought you were smart enough not to be birfer.

Guess I was wrong.

mrmeangenes

04-05-2010, 12:28 PM

I imagine this is what is getting you-uns so egg-sided !!

"He has also spoken out against the stigma surrounding HIV testing, which is still plaguing so many of our communities, which you all know---a lot of that is due to homophobia. Barack has led by example. When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test----for the very point of showing folks in Kenya that there is nothing to be embarrassed about in getting tested. We did it….. "

And when my daughter (who was born in Boston) went to Ireland a few years back, and visited her home county of Mayo,how little she knew she would be - forever after-described as "Mayonaise".

Pat

04-05-2010, 12:31 PM

And I thought you were smart enough not to be birfer.

Guess I was wrong.
I believe Mr Obama is a US citizen by birth. That is the reason why I said that I thought MS Obama was smarter than that. Kenya is the homeland of his father, not his homeland.

Interestingly enough, in that same speech, right before she made that comment she said (I paraphrase here) that homophobia was part of the cause for the spread of AIDS. I believe that is also an unintelligent statement on her part.

Pat

04-05-2010, 12:46 PM

I imagine this is what is getting you-uns so egg-sided !!

"He has also spoken out against the stigma surrounding HIV testing, which is still plaguing so many of our communities, which you all know---a lot of that is due to homophobia. Barack has led by example. When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test----for the very point of showing folks in Kenya that there is nothing to be embarrassed about in getting tested. We did it….. "

And when my daughter (who was born in Boston) went to Ireland a few years back, and visited her home county of Mayo,how little she knew she would be - forever after-described as "Mayonaise".
Does your daughter call Ireland her "Home Country"? My guess is that she does not.
My point is that I don't think it was an intelligent thing to say

mrmeangenes

04-05-2010, 01:04 PM

I'd say that might depend on the audience. In my daughter's case,if she were addressing a group of Irish - Americans, the expression might be appropriate.

So: who was in the audience when Michelle gave her speech ?

Pat

04-05-2010, 01:10 PM

I'd say that might depend on the audience. In my daughter's case,if she were addressing a group of Irish - Americans, the expression might be appropriate.

So: who was in the audience when Michelle gave her speech ?
It is an LGBT meeting.

I had to go look that up, because I didn't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME&feature=related

John Galt

04-05-2010, 05:28 PM

It is an LGBT meeting.

I had to go look that up, because I didn't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME&feature=related
Which might also account for her 'homophobia' comment.

It might've been more accurate to describe the stigma attached to those who get tested, as being perceived as closet homosexuals.

This might account for the spread of AIDS, as it keeps people from getting the test.

bairdi

04-05-2010, 06:15 PM

Pat

04-05-2010, 07:45 PM

Which might also account for her 'homophobia' comment.

It might've been more accurate to describe the stigma attached to those who get tested, as being perceived as closet homosexuals.

This might account for the spread of AIDS, as it keeps people from getting the test.
Haha, her "homophobia" comments (plural, because she said it multiple times in the speech) is nothing more than her "playing" the audience, playing on their fears and their prejudice. It's called "pandering".

Pat

04-05-2010, 07:46 PM

If you truly want an understanding of what Ms Obama is saying, read Dreams from My Father.
I read the book, I took it as an expression/understanding of the author, not his wife.

foxbaron

04-05-2010, 08:24 PM

Does your daughter call Ireland her "Home Country"? My guess is that she does not.
My point is that I don't think it was an intelligent thing to say

Perhaps her slip of the tongue truely reveals that Obama was in fact born in Kenya. And the part about their taking an HIV test to show others its okay, why did they not do that here in the USA to show their fellow countrymen its okay. Then again, perhaps he was showing his fellow countrymen it is okay.

Wouldn't it have ben more effective if the President of Kenya and his wife had taken the test for all to see, or is it more effective that POTUS did it because, in reality, he is a home boy.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

04-07-2010, 07:24 PM

And I thought you were smart enough not to be birfer.

Guess I was wrong.
:lmao2:
What ever made you think that?!?

Pat

04-07-2010, 08:12 PM

:lmao2:
What ever made you think that?!?
Go back and read the rest of the thread, pay particular attention to post #4.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

04-09-2010, 02:14 AM

Go back and read the rest of the thread, pay particular attention to post #4.

I was just funning you hence the :lmao2: , the focus on the 'smarter' part.:D

I wasn't really going to participate in this thread as I think its moronic, but this kind of sniping is rather self-affirming and not really realistic nor does it ever seem to be applied across the board.

I hated Bush, not because of the (r) after his name but because of his work. Having said that, I often found myself defending him when one of his gaffes of the language was taken out of context, on purpose, and used against him on boards such as these. I once did the same, tho not online, for Dan Quayle.

Michele's gaffe was simply a slip of the tongue, a minor one that had nothing to do with the entire rest of her speech. The message she was delivering was a valid one and that validation and message are now diminished thanks to idiotic partisan attacks.

As to her message, the part you disagree with I agree with completely. Homophobia absolutely played a huge contributing factor here in the U.S.. Globally I cannot account for, but the homophobia in the U.S. drove the highest risk group deeply underground and thus helped spread the disease. The crossover from blood tranfusions, organ donations, bisexual intercourse, and needle sharing took it from there. Homophobia also helped contribute in the lack of education and forthrightness needed when dealing with any contageous and lethal disease. Making Gay's taboo almost made the disease an act of God for their sins in many people's eyes and since the disease was a predominantly gay disease in the beginning which lead to a cavalier attitude towards the disease that we now know was the mechanism that brought the disease mainstream.

Pat

04-09-2010, 07:02 PM

I was just funning you hence the :lmao2: , the focus on the 'smarter' part.:D

I wasn't really going to participate in this thread as I think its moronic, but this kind of sniping is rather self-affirming and not really realistic nor does it ever seem to be applied across the board.

I hated Bush, not because of the (r) after his name but because of his work. Having said that, I often found myself defending him when one of his gaffes of the language was taken out of context, on purpose, and used against him on boards such as these. I once did the same, tho not online, for Dan Quayle.

Michele's gaffe was simply a slip of the tongue, a minor one that had nothing to do with the entire rest of her speech. The message she was delivering was a valid one and that validation and message are now diminished thanks to idiotic partisan attacks.
It was a prepared speech, so I hardly think it was a gaffe. In fact, I think it may have been intentional in her mind, and here is why.
Many blacks were brought to the US by force and most blacks in the US are descendants of those that did not choose to come here. In an instance such as that, I can understand somebody calling the country of their ancestors "their homeland". She may feel that the country of her ancestors is her homeland and I can understand her point of view, but in the case of Mr Obama, his father came to this country willingly, so I don't think it actually applies to him. It is a subtle distinction.
There was no "partisan attack" on my part.

As to her message, the part you disagree with I agree with completely. Homophobia absolutely played a huge contributing factor here in the U.S.. Globally I cannot account for, but the homophobia in the U.S. drove the highest risk group deeply underground and thus helped spread the disease. The crossover from blood tranfusions, organ donations, bisexual intercourse, and needle sharing took it from there. Homophobia also helped contribute in the lack of education and forthrightness needed when dealing with any contageous and lethal disease. Making Gay's taboo almost made the disease an act of God for their sins in many people's eyes and since the disease was a predominantly gay disease in the beginning which lead to a cavalier attitude towards the disease that we now know was the mechanism that brought the disease mainstream.
I disagree with you. What you say sounds more like a blame game. Does the taboo of alcoholism cause more alcoholics? Do laws and taboos about incest cause more children to be born of an incestuous relationship?
The term itself (homophobia) means to fear homosexuals, how does a fear cause the spread of AIDS? That would be like saying ophiophobia causes an increase of people dying from poisonous snake bites.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

04-09-2010, 09:59 PM

It was a prepared speech, so I hardly think it was a gaffe. In fact, I think it may have been intentional in her mind, and here is why.
Many blacks were brought to the US by force and most blacks in the US are descendants of those that did not choose to come here. In an instance such as that, I can understand somebody calling the country of their ancestors "their homeland". She may feel that the country of her ancestors is her homeland and I can understand her point of view, but in the case of Mr Obama, his father came to this country willingly, so I don't think it actually applies to him. It is a subtle distinction.

I disagree. Her entire speech, which actually can be found and is much longer than the clip provided here, was filled with 'uhs' and other telltale signs of not being read verbatim and as such I maintain it was just a gaffe. To say that, to prepare it and mean to say it, serves zero positive purpose and only feeds the partisan fury.

There was no "partisan attack" on my part.

While I wasn't speaking directly of you in that, the body of your posts would tend to make me think it was at least partially partisan driven.

I disagree with you. What you say sounds more like a blame game. Does the taboo of alcoholism cause more alcoholics? Do laws and taboos about incest cause more children to be born of an incestuous relationship?
The term itself (homophobia) means to fear homosexuals, how does a fear cause the spread of AIDS? That would be like saying ophiophobia causes an increase of people dying from poisonous snake bites.

Not a blame game, as my post showed my reasons for agreeing with her.

The taboo of alcoholism? Please. Anyone can be an alcoholic and there is no phobia attached to it. Homophobia is a catchy phrase, but those action attributed to same are not phobic as much as they are antagonistic. So willy nilly phobia comparisons are a strawman.

Don't you remember when AIDS came onto the MSM realm? T-Shirts with 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead' and 'serious' discussions about whither AIDS was an act of God for Gay discretions or a CIA plot to kill off the growing gay's gains in politics. When AIDS was mentioned, folks mentioning that THEY weren't gay and didn't need to worry.

THAT is how 'homophobia' sent the disease underground. It became first a gay disease, then a drug user disease, and by the time it hit mainstream America it was too large to put back into the box.