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doctordog
03-30-2010, 08:25 PM
Remember the Enron scandal in 2001, which drove a bipartisan majority in Congress to demand far-reaching reforms in corporate accounting? Democrats have discovered this week that maybe they can't handle the truth -- at least not when it exposes the real economic effect of Obamacare on private sector companies large and small. Thousands of employees, their families and retirees get their health insurance coverage through firms that are now having to figure out how to cope with government-run health care.

On Capitol Hill and in the White House on Monday, Democrats were fuming over a series of announcements that started Friday from Fortune 500 firms saying their bottom lines will take huge negative hits because of changes in tax law mandated by Obamacare. That hit in turn means lower profit projections. Caterpillar estimates, for example, that Obamacare will cost it $100 million; John Deere faces expenses of $150 million; 3M, $90 million; AK Steel, $31 million; Valero, $20 million. And then there's AT&T, which is marking its balance sheet down by a whopping $1 billion. All in all, the Wall Street Journal estimated a $14 billion haircut for these corporations.

Under post-Enron accounting rules, the corporations were required to revise their projections to account for the effect of Obamacare on their bottom lines. The effect is negative because Democrats, in their zeal to raise revenues and improve Obamacare's claimed effect on the federal deficit outlook, took away a tax break these companies needed in order to supply prescription drugs to their retirees. The tax subsidy, itself a government accounting ruse crafted in 2003 by the Republican Bush administration to dissuade corporations from dumping their retiree drug benefit programs on the then-new Medicare Part D, becomes taxable under Obamacare. Corporations are now being reminded of the harsh truth: What Big Government giveth, Big Government taketh away, too.

According to the American Spectator, top White House advisers reacted with angry phone calls to the corporations in question. House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., issued harassing document requests and demanded that the chief executive officers appear before his committee next month to answer for their sins. These corporations, which legally owe an honest reckoning to their shareholders, are only doing their duty by restating projections. By contrast, Waxman and many of his fellow Democratic leaders in Congress have used every government accounting and budget gimmick at their disposal to deceive Americans for the last year about the true costs of Obamacare. These Washington politicians have no business lecturing CEOs on honesty in accounting.

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Caterpillar Inc., the world’s biggest mining and construction equipment company, is estimating Obamacare will cost it $100 million because of changes in tax law.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Dems-fear-honest-Obamacare-accounting-89466462.html#ixzz0ji2KPowz




Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Dems-fear-honest-Obamacare-accounting-89466462.html#ixzz0ji1zgQXr

MintJulep
03-30-2010, 08:27 PM
The die has been cast.

Now, all we have to do is wait for November.

doctordog
03-30-2010, 08:29 PM
The die has been cast.

Now, all we have to do is wait for November.

Waxman is in a corner now, without an amendment the democrats become solely responsible for layoffs and loss of benefits at these large companies.

Pat
03-30-2010, 08:43 PM
top White House advisers reacted with angry phone calls to the corporations in question. House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., issued harassing document requests and demanded that the chief executive officers appear before his committee next month to answer for their sins.
All fascist governments use intimidation.

bairdi
03-30-2010, 09:07 PM
How many threads are you guys going to create on this subject? I cannot believe that you have the audacity to bitch about the government taking away a tax credit for money that they gave to these companies. Now if the Repugs had not created this "ruse" in 2003 and Obama came out with a plan to subsidize these businesses and then let them write off the subsidy as an expense, you would be screaming to high heaven. It appears that you are against corporate hand outs only if it is the Dems doing it.

doctordog
03-30-2010, 09:11 PM
How many threads are you guys going to create on this subject? I cannot believe that you have the audacity to bitch about the government taking away a tax credit for money that they gave to these companies. Now if the Repugs had not created this "ruse" in 2003 and Obama came out with a plan to subsidize these businesses and then let them write off the subsidy as an expense, you would be screaming to high heaven. It appears that you are against corporate hand outs only if it is the Dems doing it.

We are against thousands or more jobs going away at the hands of these dumb bastards, you must be one of them not to get that.

Smurf-Herder
03-30-2010, 09:18 PM
I've come to the conclusion that no matter what we do, the dems and Obama's agenda have put every sector of the country in a Catch 22 situation.

For every single positive thing that gets promoted, in every sector, a negative counter-effect results.

bairdi
03-30-2010, 09:28 PM
We are against thousands or more jobs going away at the hands of these dumb bastards, you must be one of them not to get that.
The credit is not going away, just the write off for the credit. You are doing nothing more than using fear tactics. These companies will be in no worse shape than they were before 2003. In fact they will still be in better shape than pre-2003 because they will not lose their government hand out. I've never seen a bunch of people who wanted their cake and to eat it too as much as you right wing nut cases on this board.

Boogie man
03-30-2010, 09:34 PM
How many threads are you guys going to create on this subject? I cannot believe that you have the audacity to bitch about the government taking away a tax credit for money that they gave to these companies. Now if the Repugs had not created this "ruse" in 2003 and Obama came out with a plan to subsidize these businesses and then let them write off the subsidy as an expense, you would be screaming to high heaven. It appears that you are against corporate hand outs only if it is the Dems doing it.

The United States has one of the highest corporate taxes in the world.

bairdi
03-30-2010, 09:36 PM
The United States has one of the highest corporate taxes in the world.
The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world. So what's your point?

Smurf-Herder
03-30-2010, 09:47 PM
The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world.

So did the Romans. :thumbsup:

doctordog
03-30-2010, 09:50 PM
The credit is not going away, just the write off for the credit. You are doing nothing more than using fear tactics. These companies will be in no worse shape than they were before 2003. In fact they will still be in better shape than pre-2003 because they will not lose their government hand out. I've never seen a bunch of people who wanted their cake and to eat it too as much as you right wing nut cases on this board.

Spoken like a true lazy freeloader.

Why don't you try putting 100 million to your bottom line and see how much profit you generate that year.

Hawkeye2j
03-30-2010, 09:55 PM
The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world. So what's your point?

recent study by the Economist Intelligence Unit placed the United States second, behind the Netherlands, for the "best place in the world to conduct business."[3] And a study by GrowthPlus, a European think tank, compared 10 major countries to determine which had the best environment for entrepreneurial growth companies.[4] Again, the United States finished second, this time behind Britain.

Smurf-Herder
03-30-2010, 09:57 PM
recent study by the Economist Intelligence Unit placed the United States second, behind the Netherlands, for the "best place in the world to conduct business."[3] And a study by GrowthPlus, a European think tank, compared 10 major countries to determine which had the best environment for entrepreneurial growth companies.[4] Again, the United States finished second, this time behind Britain.

Look up the definition of "standard of living".

Smurf-Herder
03-30-2010, 09:59 PM
recent study by the Economist Intelligence Unit placed the United States second, behind the Netherlands, for the "best place in the world to conduct business."[3] And a study by GrowthPlus, a European think tank, compared 10 major countries to determine which had the best environment for entrepreneurial growth companies.[4] Again, the United States finished second, this time behind Britain.

Look up the definition of "standard of living".

Also "one of" the highest doesn't mean "the" highest.

DUH! :disbelief:

Hawkeye2j
03-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Look up the definition of "standard of living".

I think you quoted the wrong poster. I never mentioned standard of living.

Citizen
03-30-2010, 10:00 PM
recent study by the Economist Intelligence Unit placed the United States second, behind the Netherlands, for the "best place in the world to conduct business."[3] And a study by GrowthPlus, a European think tank, compared 10 major countries to determine which had the best environment for entrepreneurial growth companies.[4] Again, the United States finished second, this time behind Britain.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0204.html

How about you either quote & site sources before you plagiarize the shit out of it. You fail to grasp common rules of civilized society but that's nothing new to a liberal sheep like you.

How much longer is this member allowed to break the rules for?

Boogie man
03-30-2010, 10:02 PM
The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world. So what's your point?

What's your point? We were not talking about standard of living. We already have one of the highest rates in the world. How about we let them prosper and grow so there will be more jobs?

Smurf-Herder
03-30-2010, 10:04 PM
I think you quoted the wrong poster. I never mentioned standard of living.

I thought you responded to it.

Hawkeye2j
03-30-2010, 10:56 PM
http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0204.html

How about you either quote & site sources before you plagiarize the shit out of it. You fail to grasp common rules of civilized society but that's nothing new to a liberal sheep like you.

How much longer is this member allowed to break the rules for?
If you weren't so stupid, you would see that I stated where the studies were from.

Citizen
03-30-2010, 11:10 PM
If you weren't so stupid, you would see that I stated where the studies were from.

Can you read?

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10191
No cutting and pasting from another source without posting a link to that source.

Hawkeye2j
03-30-2010, 11:55 PM
Can you read?

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10191

The source is in there you dipshit.