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Scottbrown2012
03-27-2010, 10:11 PM
The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.

Various members of the DNC — including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

“We also call on all Americans to respect differences of opinion, to refrain from inappropriate forms of intimidation, to reject violence and vandalism, and to scale back rhetoric that might reasonably be misinterpreted by those prone to such behavior,” read the proposed joint statement, which came at the end of a week that saw acts of vandalism and threats of violence directed at members of Congress from both parties, but mostly aimed at Democrats who voted yes on the health care bill.

Republicans see the statement as an attempt to force them to either reject the statement — allowing Democrats to say the RNC finds the incidents acceptable — or to sign on to something that the DNC would later wield against them.

The proposed statement was faxed and hand-delivered to the RNC at midmorning Friday. POLITICO learned Friday afternoon that the RNC would not sign the DNC statement.

RNC Communications Director Doug Heye told POLITICO that Steele chose not to agree to the statement because “we don’t need to do anything on their schedule or on their timetable.”

“Obviously, a large majority of Americans — a broad coalition of Republicans, Democrats and independents — are upset that President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid pushed through health care legislation that increases premiums and raises taxes and did so through strong-arm tactics, closed-door meetings and sweetheart deals. Voters have a right to be angry. Unfortunately, some have chosen to engage in language and actions that go too far,” Heye said, insisting that “among the first voices to condemn such activities was Michael Steele’s.”

Referring to an appearance by the two chairmen Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” during which Steele called tea party protesters who used racist language during a weekend rally “idiots,” Heye said that Kaine “did not take the opportunity to condemn these activities on 'Meet the Press.' We are glad he is now willing to do so.” Steele’s condemnation came after he was asked about the protesters’ behavior, while Kaine was not asked the same question during their joint appearance.

“Further, we hope the Democratic National Committee and, indeed, all party committees will cease and desist in any efforts to politicize or raise money — such as Organizing for America’s recent fundraising solicitation — off of rhetoric and behavior that is so clearly over the line,” Heye concluded.

Republicans and Democrats have been fighting all week over who is to blame for the acts of vandalism and threats of violence aimed at members of both parties, but mostly at Democrats.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Wednesday that Republicans are not going far enough to condemn attacks against Democratic members — who Hoyer said are at risk — while House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) contends that Republicans also face threats and charged Democrats with using the attacks to score political points.

Woodhouse told POLITICO that the DNC is “disappointed” that the RNC would not agree to a statement that “would carry a lot weight symbolically.”

“It’s very disappointing, but perhaps not surprising, that Chairman Steele, who authored a fundraising presentation that depicted the president as the Joker, the speaker of the House as Cruella de Vil, raised money online showing the speaker on fire and said she should be put before a firing squad would refuse to do a joint statement with Chairman Kaine to ratchet down the rhetoric and condemn the violence and threats which Republican supporters have engaged in since the passage of health reform,” Woodhouse said.

“Chairman Steele’s own overheated rhetoric and the Republican Party’s fear tactics have contributed to an environment of anger and frustration that is unhealthy and counterproductive to our political dialogue,” he added. “Rather than take responsibility for their own actions, Chairman Steele not only refused the good-faith offer of issuing a joint statement, he then sent his spokesperson out to go on the attack in a breathtaking display of chutzpah and hypocrisy. Chairman Kaine and Democrats will continue to work towards a civil and responsible debate on the issues of the day even as Republicans continue to be pulled farther and farther towards the radical extreme.”

Both of the committees have been accused of using controversial fundraising tactics this week in the wake last Sunday passage of health care reform.

The RNC raised more than $1 million in a “Fire Nancy Pelosi” fundraising campaign that depicted the House speaker surrounded by flames.

The DNC, meanwhile, was criticized by Republicans for sending out an e-mail from Kaine to its donors under the subject line “Heroes under attack,” urging supporters to defend the threatened members via funds to the committee.

“They've launched a campaign to ‘fire’ Nancy Pelosi, complete with imagery of the first female speaker of the House surrounded by flames. Congresswoman Louise Slaughter had a brick thrown through her office window. A Virginia blog posted Congressman Tom Perriello's home address, urging tea partiers to ‘drop by,’” the fundraising e-mail read. “The Democratic National Committee is already fighting back hard, with a sophisticated ad strategy, events on the ground and the best rapid-response program in the history of politics. But we need your help to keep it up.”


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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html

Boogie man
03-27-2010, 10:12 PM
I think you should die of rectal cancer.

doctordog
03-27-2010, 10:16 PM
The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html

They are a little late for that now. After the way this latest bill was handled the left leaning Congress deserves everything they get.

Scottbrown2012
03-27-2010, 10:20 PM
They are a little late for that now. After the way this latest bill was handled the left leaning Congress deserves everything they get.
lets say the worst case scenario happens and some luny wacko tea partier or fringe member of the right OR left actually kills someone or does bodily harm to the president or a member of congress you are ok with it because "they get whats coming to them" because of this bill??????:disbelief: :confused:

Lykaios
03-27-2010, 10:21 PM
I think you should die of rectal cancer.

Oh brilliant.

Boogie man
03-27-2010, 10:22 PM
Oh brilliant.

No one seemed to mind too much when Sean Penn said it about those who disagree with him. If it's good enough for Sean Penn it's good enough for me.

Boogie man
03-27-2010, 10:23 PM
No one should sign that piece of trash. It's a trap. The RNC is not responsible for what anyone says. I'd tell them to stick it up their lying Marxist ass.

MintJulep
03-27-2010, 10:30 PM
lets say the worst case scenario happens and some luny wacko tea partier or fringe member of the right OR left actually kills someone or does bodily harm to the president or a member of congress you are ok with it because "they get whats coming to them" because of this bill??????:disbelief: :confused:Stop spreading the lies from the lamestream media. No a single incidence of violence has occurred at a Tea Party.

Since none of those whackjob, Bush-Deranged moonbats didn't kill anyone, I think you're pretty safe.

doctordog
03-27-2010, 10:33 PM
lets say the worst case scenario happens and some luny wacko tea partier or fringe member of the right OR left actually kills someone or does bodily harm to the president or a member of congress you are ok with it because "they get whats coming to them" because of this bill??????:disbelief: :confused:

Now you are being stupid and idiotic, when you rejoin reality we can discuss.:thumbsup:

Lykaios
03-27-2010, 10:35 PM
No one seemed to mind too much when Sean Penn said it about those who disagree with him. If it's good enough for Sean Penn it's good enough for me.

Isn't Sean Penn and asshole?

That would give him a close association with rectal cancer.

Scottbrown2012
03-27-2010, 10:35 PM
Stop spreading the lies from the lamestream media. No a single incidence of violence has occurred at a Tea Party.

Since none of those whackjob, Bush-Deranged moonbats didn't kill anyone, I think you're pretty safe.
thats why I called it a WORST CASE SCENARIO!I dont believe it will happen either just trying to make a point and that point being to not push for the rhetoric to stop on both sides or to say the other side "earns" what they get is basically the same as saying you completely agree with it IMHO.

BTW I see you jumped right on the band wagon with the latest con term of "lamestream " media...way to be a drinker and follower! and since when is politico "lamestream" media?

Lykaios
03-27-2010, 10:36 PM
lets say the worst case scenario happens and some luny wacko tea partier or fringe member of the right OR left actually kills someone or does bodily harm to the president or a member of congress you are ok with it because "they get whats coming to them" because of this bill??????:disbelief: :confused:

Sounds about right.

MintJulep
03-27-2010, 10:38 PM
thats why I called it a WORST CASE SCENARIO!I dont believe it will happen either just trying to make a point and that point being to not push for the rhetoric to stop on both sides or to say the other side "earns" what they get is basically the same as saying you completely agree with it IMHO.No. We won't sit down and shut up, which you and the Lamesteam Media are trying to force us to do.

The country has been ass-raped by an arrogant, Marxist, puke-inducing, nasty despot and we are free to express our utter disgust with it.

Just like you did with Bush.

Deal with it.

doctordog
03-27-2010, 10:38 PM
thats why I called it a WORST CASE SCENARIO!I dont believe it will happen either just trying to make a point and that point being to not push for the rhetoric to stop on both sides or to say the other side "earns" what they get is basically the same as saying you completely agree with it IMHO.

BTW I see you jumped right on the band wagon with the latest con term of "lamestream " media...way to be a drinker and follower! and since when is politico "lamestream" media?

I didn't hear you complaining prior to the bill passing about all the rhetoric, sounds like you only endorse civility when it suits you.

MintJulep
03-27-2010, 10:40 PM
I didn't hear you complaining prior to the bill passing about all the rhetoric, sounds like you only endorse civility when it suits you.Have you ever seen so many damn hypocrites in one place at the same time?

Scottbrown2012
03-27-2010, 10:45 PM
No. We won't sit down and shut up, which you and the Lamesteam Media are trying to force us to do.

The country has been ass-raped by an arrogant, Marxist, puke-inducing, nasty despot and we are free to express our utter disgust with it.

Just like you did with Bush.

Deal with it.
Minty must we go there AGAIN...I think we must have been down this same road at least 100 times now...I have fully explained how I feel about this and have NEVER once waivered or changed my stance on this issue...but here we go again I was AGAINST the radical rhetoric and hate towards Bush and did NOT condone it and dont condone it now...this just shows your lack of a real arguement on this issue that we keep coming back here over and over and over and over and.....:banghead:

CosmicRocker
03-27-2010, 10:48 PM
thats why I called it a WORST CASE SCENARIO!I dont believe it will happen either just trying to make a point and that point being to not push for the rhetoric to stop on both sides or to say the other side "earns" what they get is basically the same as saying you completely agree with it IMHO.

BTW I see you jumped right on the band wagon with the latest con term of "lamestream " media...way to be a drinker and follower! and since when is politico "lamestream" media?This is 2x you posted about civility -the other was about the coffee party wanting dialogue, etc.

Grayson is my Congressman.
He's about as un-cival as you can make them - a loud mouthed , but sucessful Bronx attorny, who somehow found Orange cty, FL., and won.

Do you have any problem with his language ( Repubs . want youto Die quickly etc .)

I find myself in agreement with him, more ogten that not - but i ALSO value civility;
without basic concversation, the parties just shout past each other and don't hear anything els.

So should I vote to re-elect him, with his political poisionous hyperboyle, as I agree more than less with his votes?

Or should I throw him out for bad behavior?

Scottbrown2012
03-27-2010, 10:56 PM
This is 2x you posted about civility -the other was about the coffee party wanting dialogue, etc.

Grayson is my Congressman.
He's about as un-cival as you can make them - a loud mouthed , but sucessful Bronx attorny, who somehow found Orange cty, FL., and won.

Do you have any problem with his language ( Repubs . want youto Die quickly etc .)

I find myself in agreement with him, more ogten that not - but i ALSO value civility;
without basic concversation, the parties just shout past each other and don't hear anything els.

So should I vote to re-elect him, with his political poisionous hyperboyle, as I agree more than less with his votes?

Or should I throw him out for bad behavior?
I am not gonna tell you who you should or shouldnt vote for as that is not what I am about. Frankly I am pretty sick of ALL Republicans and Democrats and dont trust or believe any of them anymore, I am now a full fledged independent and will start looking into any and all even remotely viable independent/third party candidates. My whole point is and always has been that this vitriol and hate and nasty, senseless rhetoric does us no good as a country and further divides us down partisan lines which is what the current crop of idiots in washington want.

Boogie man
03-27-2010, 10:59 PM
Isn't Sean Penn and asshole?

That would give him a close association with rectal cancer.

He's not just any asshole. He's a genuine Hollywood liberal moonbat asshole.

CommonCents
03-27-2010, 11:04 PM
Isn't Sean Penn and asshole?

That would give him a close association with rectal cancer.

Asshole... Liberal... Socialist... Whatever.

CosmicRocker
03-27-2010, 11:09 PM
I am not gonna tell you who you should or shouldnt vote for as that is not what I am about. Frankly I am pretty sick of ALL Republicans and Democrats and dont trust or believe any of them anymore, I am now a full fledged independent and will start looking into any and all even remotely viable independent/third party candidates. My whole point is and always has been that this vitriol and hate and nasty, senseless rhetoric does us no good as a country and further divides us down partisan lines which is what the current crop of idiots in washington want.I can agree with your whole point/
I guess what i was trying to ask you, if you want the vitriol to end, you have to be willing to make them pay a price even if you agree with.

Grayson for ex: - can you think of a more acid toungue?
Yes I'd prolly support more of his positions then the unknown Repub.

If i don't make him pay ( or voter blocks don't) -then how can anything change?

We just re-electing the same rabid partisian bomb throwers.

PS.
my experience going Independent - forget partys -just follow each issue, you'll develop your own philospohy quicker,,and may then chose to alighn.
I'm tinkering with joing the Federalist Society, but prolly won't bother.

Revere
03-28-2010, 02:54 AM
Civility is bullshit. Show me freedom.

slowhand
03-28-2010, 08:54 AM
I think you should die of rectal cancer.

Calm down folks!!..No need to fear rectal cancer..We now have healthcare reform in America..

God Bless America!

slowhand
03-28-2010, 08:57 AM
No. We won't sit down and shut up, which you and the Lamesteam Media are trying to force us to do.

The country has been ass-raped by an arrogant, Marxist, puke-inducing, nasty despot and we are free to express our utter disgust with it.

Just like you did with Bush.

Deal with it.

"But he's OUR, Marxist, puke-inducing, nasty despot"

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhh hh :thumbsup:

Smurf-Herder
03-28-2010, 11:09 AM
I think you should die of rectal cancer.

Hey Boogie, ya gotta stop this line of insult. Think up another one, because I can't account for how other mods may take your statements.

Boogie man
03-28-2010, 11:33 AM
Hey Boogie, ya gotta stop this line of insult. Think up another one, because I can't account for how other mods may take your statements.

Not until you give me an academy award.

Smurf-Herder
03-28-2010, 11:59 AM
Calm down folks!!..No need to fear rectal cancer..We now have healthcare reform in America..

God Bless America!

No we don't. Not fully until 2019. We just have to start paying for it now. Then some people will get it by 2014.

foxbaron
03-28-2010, 12:04 PM
lets say the worst case scenario happens and some luny wacko tea partier or fringe member of the right OR left actually kills someone or does bodily harm to the president or a member of congress you are ok with it because "they get whats coming to them" because of this bill??????:disbelief: :confused:


Yes, hell yes.

Common sense doesn't seem to work.

You ignore the people's wishes and reject us as indentured servants who have no say in our own government.

Your only concern is staying in power not keeping American strong and free.

You pass laws for us to adhere to with a threat of fines and jail if we don't comply and then exempt yourselves from these same laws.

You use bribery, threats and intimidation to get your way and consider it just the way politics work. The Chicago way.

Nancy Pelosi tells us the bill has to be passed first for us to see what's in it.

You have saddled us with intolerable debt and think nothing of it.

You insult our allies around the world and apologize to our enemies.

You have brought this upon yourselves and then wonder why people are angry and then label them as terrorists.

You are traitors to this Country.

Don't expect me to shed a tear for any of you.

Boogie man
03-28-2010, 12:13 PM
Yes, hell yes.

Common sense doesn't seem to work.

You ignore the people's wishes and reject us as indentured servants who have no say in our own government.

Your only concern is staying in power not keeping American strong and free.

You pass laws for us to adhere to with a threat of fines and jail if we don't comply and then exempt yourselves from these same laws.

You use bribery, threats and intimidation to get your way and consider it just the way politics work. The Chicago way.

Nancy Pelosi tells us the bill has to be passed first for us to see what's in it.

You have saddled us with intolerable debt and think nothing of it.

You insult our allies around the world and apologize to our enemies.

You have brought this upon yourselves and then wonder why people are angry and then label them as terrorists.

You are traitors to this Country.

Don't expect me to shed a tear for any of you.

That's it exactly. These Marxists are putting us under a heavy burden that they will not share and we are supposed to take it with a smile. Fuck 'em. If something happens let them deal with it. I'm taking my country back and there will be blood.

mrmeangenes
03-28-2010, 12:29 PM
I read somebody else's comment this morning. He said it was "just politics": if the Repubs agree to civility,it would be an admission they were un-civil; and that the Dems will use either response against them.

Sort of like demanding they agree to stop beating their spouses, etc.

Pretty apt comment, IMHO.

MintJulep
03-28-2010, 12:57 PM
Yes, hell yes.

Common sense doesn't seem to work.

You ignore the people's wishes and reject us as indentured servants who have no say in our own government.

Your only concern is staying in power not keeping American strong and free.

You pass laws for us to adhere to with a threat of fines and jail if we don't comply and then exempt yourselves from these same laws.

You use bribery, threats and intimidation to get your way and consider it just the way politics work. The Chicago way.

Nancy Pelosi tells us the bill has to be passed first for us to see what's in it.

You have saddled us with intolerable debt and think nothing of it.

You insult our allies around the world and apologize to our enemies.

You have brought this upon yourselves and then wonder why people are angry and then label them as terrorists.

You are traitors to this Country.

Don't expect me to shed a tear for any of you.

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