Shots Fired at Office of Republican Rep. Eric Cantor

[MintJulep]

Breaking news. A bullet was fired through the office of Eric Cantor last night.

Looks like the angry moonbats are back to their old familiar "Ayers-style" tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/

[CommonCents]

Breaking news. A bullet was fired through the office of Eric Cantor last night.

Looks like the angry moonbats are back to their old familiar "Ayers-style" tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/

All he did was step in front of the cameras and tell the truth about ObamaCare. Progressives can't stand it when someone dares to state the facts and it makes them look bad.

[Scottbrown2012]

There are fringe radicals on all sides but this latest dangerous actions have been dailed up many notches by the fringes of the tea party and the right...I am NOT saying all in the tea party or right are to blame especially seeings as conservatives like John Bohnoer are denouncing these actions and saying it is not the way Americans do things. I think we ALL as AMERICANS should denounce all these actions going on on all sides and try and bring cooler level heads back into these discussions.

[GetAClue]

There are fringe radicals on all sides but this latest dangerous actions have been dailed up many notches by the fringes of the tea party and the right...I am NOT saying all in the tea party or right are to blame especially seeings as conservatives like John Bohnoer are denouncing these actions and saying it is not the way Americans do things. I think we ALL as AMERICANS should denounce all these actions going on on all sides and try and bring cooler level heads back into these discussions.
Do you have any proof of that statement? Hell, do you have any proof of violence by anyone on the right? I hear a lot of false accusations such as Glenn Beck calling for violence or Rush doing the same, but to this point there is simply a few isolated incidents that have not been shown to be induced by the right OR the left.

[Scottbrown2012]

what do you call death threats...office windows being broken with bricks, natural gas lines being cut....I call that violence

[MintJulep]

what do you call death threats...office windows being broken with bricks, natural gas lines being cut....I call that violenceBut who did it? The left automatically assigns it to the Tea Party, yet nothing exists to support that.

What do you call a bullet? We don't know who did that either. See how it feels?

[Scottbrown2012]

My main point though is that WHOEVER is doing this and or inciting it to happen is WRONG and we should follow suit of the growing number of republicans such as John Bohnoer and completely denouce these actions, not advocate and incite further and ask for the return of cooler heads.

[The_Limit]

Breaking news. A bullet was fired through the office of Eric Cantor last night.

Looks like the angry moonbats are back to their old familiar "Ayers-style" tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/


The FOX news story was inaccurate by the way.

[GetAClue]

My main point though is that WHOEVER is doing this and or inciting it to happen is WRONG and we should follow suit of the growing number of republicans such as John Bohnoer and completely denouce these actions, not advocate and incite further and ask for the return of cooler heads.
Last fall there was an incident where the windows at a Dem office where broken with bricks. Turns out, it was a liberal that did it.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/08/is_the_alleged_colorado_democr.php

Now, I am not saying that there aren't some wack jobs on the right, but until the facts are in, I would hesitate to assign blame to anyone group.

[GetAClue]

The FOX news story was inaccurate by the way.
In what way? Care to share that with us or where you just here to throw rocks (so to speak) at any reporting by Fox?

[MintJulep]

The FOX news story was inaccurate by the way.Prove it.......

[Scottbrown2012]

who gives a rats ass in all honesty WHO did or is doing this...it should not be happening and we all as Americans should be doing more to stop and denounce it!

[GetAClue]

who gives a rats ass in all honesty WHO did or is doing this...it should not be happening and we all as Americans should be doing more to stop and denounce it!
Apparently you do as you implied it was done by right wing radicals.

There are fringe radicals on all sides but this latest dangerous actions have been dailed up many notches by the fringes of the tea party and the right...I am NOT saying all in the tea party or right are to blame especially seeings as conservatives like John Bohnoer are denouncing these actions and saying it is not the way Americans do things. I think we ALL as AMERICANS should denounce all these actions going on on all sides and try and bring cooler level heads back into these discussions.

[Scottbrown2012]

Apparently you do as you implied it was done by right wing radicals.
well lets see..house republicans cheering on taunters in the gallery...I watched ALOT of the debates before the vote and saw and heard ALOT of it...cheering at the baby killer remark...the radical tea partiers outside DURING the debate spitting on congress people and hurling slurs at them...you tell me who it sounds is inciting the radical mobs?

[MintJulep]

Last fall there was an incident where the windows at a Dem office where broken with bricks. Turns out, it was a liberal that did it.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/08/is_the_alleged_colorado_democr.php

Now, I am not saying that there aren't some wack jobs on the right, but until the facts are in, I would hesitate to assign blame to anyone group.Nice work! :thumbsup:

[MarkMiller]

Breaking news. A bullet was fired through the office of Eric Cantor last night.

Looks like the angry moonbats are back to their old familiar "Ayers-style" tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/
Didn't happen.

Just an accusation. Where's the video proof?:taunt:

[GetAClue]

well lets see..house republicans cheering on taunters in the gallery...I watched ALOT of the debates before the vote and saw and heard ALOT of it...
Hmmm, that directly contradicts what you said in your previous post that you don’t care who is responsible. But I guess you mean if they find that liberals were involved, and then you don’t care. But if it is only those on the right, then they are just evil bastards. Gotcha!

cheering at the baby killer remark...
Seems to me that the Rep that is accused of saying that said that the remark was “It’s a baby killer” in that the bill will fund abortions. But being as he is NOT a liberal, it must have been hate speech. I see.

the radical tea partiers outside DURING the debate spitting on congress people and hurling slurs at them...you tell me who it sounds is inciting the radical mobs?
For one, from what I heard, the ONLY people claiming that this happened where a couple of democratic reps, no one else has validated that it happened. Second, are you sure it was a right winger? It has happened before that some left wingers have mixed with these crowds just to cause trouble to be blamed on the right.

Finally, if it DID happen by a right winger, they were in the wrong. MOST tea party participants do NOT agree with this. As I stated earlier, there are nut jobs on both ends of the political spectrum. But YOU seem bent on painting a picture that it is ONLY right wing people that are responsible for everything. That is naive and disingenuous.

[The_Limit]

Prove it.......


Ok...

The AP reported that the bullet was actually fired at a building where one of Cantor's consultants works.

Thats very different from what Cantor said...which was someone fired a shot at his campaign office.

[MarkMiller]

Nice work!
Yeah, nice work digging up something from last year that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject.:disbelief::thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

Yeah, nice work digging up something from last year that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject.:disbelief::thumbsup:
Once again your comprehension skills are on display. I would explain it too you, but I don't have all day. Most posters on this site are capable of understanding the relevance of the article and therefore were able to get the point. Just because you were not able to understand it did not make it any less relevant.

[MarkMiller]

Once again your comprehension skills are on display. I would explain it too you, but I don't have all day. Most posters on this site are capable of understanding the relevance of the article and therefore were able to get the point. Just because you were not able to understand it did not make it any less relevant.
It's not relevent as it has nothing to do with the current event and was only used to illustrate a counterpoint to a nonexistant argument.

It isn't "both sides do it", it's your side is loosing control now about a specific topic.

[MintJulep]

It's not relevent as it has nothing to do with the current event and was only used to illustrate a counterpoint to a nonexistant argument.

It isn't "both sides do it", it's your side is loosing control.It has everything to do with it.

[GetAClue]

It's not relevent as it has nothing to do with the current event and was only used to illustrate a counterpoint to a nonexistant argument.

It isn't "both sides do it", it's your side is loosing control now about a specific topic.
Thanks for showing your idiocy. You do it far better than anyone here could. :thumbsup:

[MarkMiller]

Thanks for showing your idiocy. You do it far better than anyone here could. :thumbsup:
Please, you're partisan pom poms are showing. Nice cheerleading outfit though.:thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

Please, you're partisan pom poms are showing. Nice cheerleading outfit though.:thumbsup:
Ok if it is so transparent, which party am I a member of?

[MarkMiller]

Ok if it is so transparent, which party am I a member of?
The transparency is your partisanship against the Dems. Wow, you really do need a clue.

[GetAClue]

The transparency is your partisanship against the Dems. Wow, you really do need a clue.
Oh, I see. Usually a partisan shills for a particular party. But now we are supposed to use your NEW definition.

par•ti•san 1 (pär t -z n)
n.
1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.
2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.

No thanks, but I’ll stick to the accepted definition of the word “partisan”. So again I ask, which party does my “partisan pom poms” put me in?

[MarkMiller]

Oh, I see. Usually a partisan shills for a particular party. But now we are supposed to use your NEW definition.



No thanks, but I’ll stick to the accepted definition of the word “partisan”. So again I ask, which party does my “partisan pom poms” put me in?
You can read. I congratulate you.

To bad you have no comprehension, but thanks for posting this and proving me right!:thumbsup:

[slowhand]

But who did it? The left automatically assigns it to the Tea Party, yet nothing exists to support that.

What do you call a bullet? We don't know who did that either. See how it feels?

It was probably staged by the tea party..You know..like the guy sitting in the street with Parkinsons

[GetAClue]

You can read. I congratulate you.

To bad you have no comprehension, but thanks for posting this and proving me right!:thumbsup:
You know, there was a time when you actually were able to post reasonable arguments on this site. But today, you have fallen terribly short of that ability. Is someone else posting as you today? I mean, you were never quite this dumb.

WILL THE REAL MARK MILLER PLEASE STAND UP? The old was not this stupid.
:confused:

[MintJulep]

It was probably staged by the tea party..You know..like the guy sitting in the street with ParkinsonsGet back to me when some actual facts emerge.

[GetAClue]

It was probably staged by the tea party..You know..like the guy sitting in the street with Parkinsons
Yet another false assumption based on nothing but fear and hatred of those that disagree with you and your party. Typical tactic that you assign to the opposing side.

[slowhand]

Get back to me when some actual facts emerge.

How do you like it douche bag?

[slowhand]

Yet another false assumption based on nothing but fear and hatred of those that disagree with you and your party. Typical tactic that you assign to the opposing side.

Thank you for sharing

[GetAClue]

Thank you for sharing
Thats what I do. In life and thru my tax dollars.

Thanks for being on the receiving end of my sharing without which my wages would have not been taken from me. :thumbsup:

[slowhand]

Thats what I do. In life and thru my tax dollars.

Thanks for being on the receiving end of my sharing without which my wages would have not been taken from me. :thumbsup:

Just make sure you go to work tomorrow ya fuckin bum, so I can keep getting my socialist commie Medicare, and my SSDI check..Sucker!! :thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

Just make sure you go to work tomorrow ya fuckin bum, so I can keep getting my socialist commie Medicare, and my SSDI check..Sucker!! :thumbsup:
Just as I thought. Usually the ones screaming the loudest for entitlement spending are those on the receiving end as opposed to the ones paying the bill. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :thumbsup:

[slowhand]

Just as I thought. Usually the ones screaming the loudest for entitlement spending are those on the receiving end as opposed to the ones paying the bill. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :thumbsup:

Anytime!..I paid into the system for 36 years

Thank God I got Parkinsons, so I could become a full-time slacker, and retire at 52

[GetAClue]

Anytime!..I paid into the system for 36 years

Thank God I got Parkinsons, so I could become a full-time slacker, and retire at 52
I am very sorry to hear about your condition. I do pray that you are able to live a long and fruitful life and that there is an eventual cure for this terrible disease.

I don’t disagree with you receiving benefits that you paid so many years to receive. I just don’t believe that the government is the best entity to handle such matters. I honestly believe that the private sector is best suited to provide such coverage if left to the business and without interference from government officials just trying to win elections.

But I really do wish you well and good health.

[MarkMiller]

I am very sorry to hear about your condition. I do pray that you are able to live a long and fruitful life and that there is an eventual cure for this terrible disease.

I don’t disagree with you receiving benefits that you paid so many years to receive. I just don’t believe that the government is the best entity to handle such matters. I honestly believe that the private sector is best suited to provide such coverage if left to the business and without interference from government officials just trying to win elections.

But I really do wish you well and good health.
Excellent post.

[mrmeangenes]

This incident must have been rather.....unsettling to those who believed they could use intimidation tactics against elected officials with no fear of retaliation.

Hopefully, a useful learning experience.

[GetAClue]

Excellent post.
Just to be clear, I really do wish everyone well and good health. I have nothing against anyone on this board. I honestly believe that it is best if EVERYONE succeeds in life and is able to contribute to society. There are those that have had the misfortune of a disease such as Slowhand. I really do hope that he is well and that a cure is found.

But I am also able to get down in the gutter to confront others if need be. I really don't care for it as it is not my style. I try to do it with humor the best I can, but some days are better than others.

Slowhand, please accept my apologies for the banter that we have shared on this and other threads.

Mark Miller, same to you. I really would like nothing better than to just have an honest and serious discussion of the issues. I believe that we all want what is best for each other and the country. It is just that we differ in how to best accomoplish this.

[Boogie man]

This incident must have been rather.....unsettling to those who believed they could use intimidation tactics against elected officials with no fear of retaliation.

Hopefully, a useful learning experience.

That's funny. I thought for a second there you were talking about the White House and congressional leadership.

[mwillman]

Just to be clear, I really do wish everyone well and good health. I have nothing against anyone on this board. I honestly believe that it is best if EVERYONE succeeds in life and is able to contribute to society. There are those that have had the misfortune of a disease such as Slowhand. I really do hope that he is well and that a cure is found.

But I am also able to get down in the gutter to confront others if need be. I really don't care for it as it is not my style. I try to do it with humor the best I can, but some days are better than others.

Slowhand, please accept my apologies for the banter that we have shared on this and other threads.

Mark Miller, same to you. I really would like nothing better than to just have an honest and serious discussion of the issues. I believe that we all want what is best for each other and the country. It is just that we differ in how to best accomoplish this.

I agree with you sentiment but i really don't think that everyone wants the best for the country. I think many on the right want whats best for themselves and they believe in social Darwinism with little care for the people that make up this country. Of course thats not all on the right but it does seem to be very common.

[slowhand]

I am very sorry to hear about your condition. I do pray that you are able to live a long and fruitful life and that there is an eventual cure for this terrible disease.

Well Thank You..I doubt there will ever be a cure, maybe better treatment, therapy, but cure?..Doubt it

I don’t disagree with you receiving benefits that you paid so many years to receive. I just don’t believe that the government is the best entity to handle such matters. I honestly believe that the private sector is best suited to provide such coverage if left to the business and without interference from government officials just trying to win elections.

But I really do wish you well and good health.

I got better coverage from Medicare, than I got from Blue Cross, and thats a fact

[Boogie man]

I agree with you sentiment but i really don't think that everyone wants the best for the country. I think many on the right want whats best for themselves and they believe in social Darwinism with little care for the people that make up this country. Of course thats not all on the right but it does seem to be very common.

You're confused. You somehow think because conservatives do not back government social programs we do not care about people. It is because we care about people having the right to do as they please that we are for small government. You and your pals don't get it. Every time government grows we lose a bit more freedom. You just don't get it.

[mrmeangenes]

Incidentally,although the headlines I've read scream about "shots fired" outside Rep.Cantor's office, the official report is quite a bit less dramatic:

http://richmondvapolice.blogspot.com/2010/03/richmond-police-investigate-cantor.html

Glancing at the report, it appears likely this was actually a stray bullet - fired from a considerable distance away-that for all practical purposes had "run out of steam" by the time it reached the building. (It broke the window, but failed to penetrate the blind; then rolled inside.)

At a rough guess, I'd say somebody fired off a pistol (aiming at a pigeon ?) from 300 +- yards away.

[Boogie man]

All of a sudden the moonbats care about violence. LOL. Funny stuff.

[slowhand]

All of a sudden the moonbats care about violence. LOL. Funny stuff.

You can say that again


http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=186782&postcount=65

[MintJulep]

All of a sudden the moonbats care about violence. LOL. Funny stuff.Yep. Remember, it was "political dissent" and the "highest form of patriotism" when their ilk were running Katherine Harris down with a car and they were walking around w/signs saying "Kill Bush" and burning him in effigy.

It is fun to throw it back in their face. They haven't a leg or moral ground to stand on.

[Boogie man]

You can say that again


http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=186782&postcount=65

There were a lot of American Christians who busted some British heads during the revolutioun and we can do it again. Tryanny is your game, not mine.

[mwillman]

Save us your bullshit rhetoric booger man.
You are nothing more then a drama queen.
there is no tyranny.

[slowhand]

There were a lot of American Christians who busted some British heads during the revolutioun and we can do it again. Tryanny is your game, not mine.

Did that make them better Christians?

The IRA did the same thing :lmao2:

[slowhand]

Yep. Remember, it was "political dissent" and the "highest form of patriotism" when their ilk were running Katherine Harris down with a car and they were walking around w/signs saying "Kill Bush" and burning him in effigy.

It is fun to throw it back in their face. They haven't a leg or moral ground to stand on.


Boooooooooooooooooooooosh :lmao2:

[Boogie man]

Save us your bullshit rhetoric booger man.
You are nothing more then a drama queen.
there is no tyranny.

When you force me to buy something, that is tyranny.

[Boogie man]

Did that make them better Christians?

The IRA did the same thing :lmao2:

It's not a question of "better" Christians. Jesus doesn't care who's "better". You have no argument.

[slowhand]

It's not a question of "better" Christians. Jesus doesn't care who's "better". You have no argument.

Oh, sorry I forgot.."Works" does not get you to heaven.."Belief" that Jesus is your savior does

So in other words, you can be a flaming asshole, bust moonbat heads, but as long as you believe............:thumbsup:

[Boogie man]

Oh, sorry I forgot.."Works" does not get you to heaven.."Belief" that Jesus is your savior does

So in other words, you can be a flaming asshole, bust moonbat heads, but as long as you believe............:thumbsup:

Gee, I dunno. Do you? When is the last time you and Jesus sat down and had a beer and discussed things?

[slowhand]

Gee, I dunno. Do you? When is the last time you and Jesus sat down and had a beer and discussed things?

Last week..Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were there too

[MarkMiller]

Just to be clear, I really do wish everyone well and good health. I have nothing against anyone on this board. I honestly believe that it is best if EVERYONE succeeds in life and is able to contribute to society. There are those that have had the misfortune of a disease such as Slowhand. I really do hope that he is well and that a cure is found.

But I am also able to get down in the gutter to confront others if need be. I really don't care for it as it is not my style. I try to do it with humor the best I can, but some days are better than others.

Slowhand, please accept my apologies for the banter that we have shared on this and other threads.

Mark Miller, same to you. I really would like nothing better than to just have an honest and serious discussion of the issues. I believe that we all want what is best for each other and the country. It is just that we differ in how to best accomoplish this.
I would as well and extend the same apology to you. Your post was worded in an honest expression and in a way that made me interested in what you had to say and what your opinion is.

[MarkMiller]

You're confused. You somehow think because conservatives do not back government social programs we do not care about people. It is because we care about people having the right to do as they please that we are for small government. You and your pals don't get it. Every time government grows we lose a bit more freedom. You just don't get it.
You seem to have convinced yourself that this is absolute fact and not just your opinion. Many of those who argue this, simply don't give reasons to the logic. Not to say that there are no theories on this. On the contrary, this has been debated since the beginning of representative government, I just don't think anyone has the conclusive answer because it's all relative.

[slowhand]

Just to be clear, I really do wish everyone well and good health. I have nothing against anyone on this board. I honestly believe that it is best if EVERYONE succeeds in life and is able to contribute to society. There are those that have had the misfortune of a disease such as Slowhand. I really do hope that he is well and that a cure is found.

But I am also able to get down in the gutter to confront others if need be. I really don't care for it as it is not my style. I try to do it with humor the best I can, but some days are better than others.

Slowhand, please accept my apologies for the banter that we have shared on this and other threads.

Mark Miller, same to you. I really would like nothing better than to just have an honest and serious discussion of the issues. I believe that we all want what is best for each other and the country. It is just that we differ in how to best accomoplish this.

Considerate it done..Please accept mine as well

I agree we all want what is best for the country..it is what brings us here everyday, and true..We all have our own ideas on what the best course of action is to acheive our goals, and we are in different financial and living situations..What is ideal for my needs, may not be any good at all for someone else

Unfortunately, both parties are hopelessly in gridlock, and now the threats, and acts of violence being committed by liberal, and conservative citizens driven by anger, frustration and fear..This is a very dark time in our history

[mwillman]

When you force me to buy something, that is tyranny.

So is it tyranny when the rest of us are forced to pay higher prices because you didn't bother to get insurance but you got treatment when you fell ill. Metaphorically speaking.

You are not being forced to buy insurance you can always pay the extra tax to cover the fact that if and when you fall ill the rest of use aren't forced to pay twice as much or more for your care because you didn't think medical coverage was important to begin with.

[MarkMiller]

Considerate it done..Please accept mine as well

I agree we all want what is best for the country..it is what brings us here everyday, and true..We all have our own ideas on what the best course of action is to achieve our goals, and we are in different financial and living situations..What is ideal for my needs, may not be any good at all for someone else

Unfortunately, both parties are hopelessly in gridlock, and now the threats, and acts of violence being committed by liberal, and conservative citizens driven by anger, frustration and fear..This is a very dark time in our history
Perhaps it is not dark as it is dim. In other words there have been far worse times in even recent history and we have pulled through as a nation. We always do, and the reason is simple. The country was set up for discourse to push it on. I don't want to mislead anyone by saying forward, but it does continue.

I use history a lot when talking about politics and it drives some people to distraction. Maybe that's part of my goal without realising it, but the original foundations of our political structure were put in place by "Enlightened" men. "Enlightened" in the classical sense. Educated with the writings and philosophies of the Ancient Greeks and Romans. They had to answer the question and provide the best balance to how Representative Government fell and how to correct that problem in our future. The checks and balance between the Senate and the Congress is one. The separation into three branches of government is another.

Most importantly we have to remember today, just as much as during the Bush administration that we are not a classic republic, nor a True democracy. We have to remember that we have elected our officials to represent us as part of that process of checks and balances between us as the people.

We dont' always get what we want, and we can't always change what we don't like. But we never hold any single piece of legislation as holy, augerated or divinated as the Romans did. Changes can be made an repeals can be done. It called process and it feels like it gets in the way sometimes but it's apart of what makes the US the safest place to live in the world.

OK...I've "preambled" enough for one day.

[GetAClue]

I would as well and extend the same apology to you. Your post was worded in an honest expression and in a way that made me interested in what you had to say and what your opinion is.
Thank you. I will attempt to keep the discussion above board and be honest in my posts. I really think that you are very intelligent poster with some pretty good ideas and input. I look forward to more honest and civil discussions of the issues.

[GetAClue]

Considerate it done..Please accept mine as well

I agree we all want what is best for the country..it is what brings us here everyday, and true..We all have our own ideas on what the best course of action is to acheive our goals, and we are in different financial and living situations..What is ideal for my needs, may not be any good at all for someone else

Unfortunately, both parties are hopelessly in gridlock, and now the threats, and acts of violence being committed by liberal, and conservative citizens driven by anger, frustration and fear..This is a very dark time in our history
And thank you for the reply. As I posted to MarkMiller, I do hope we can continue to have honest and healthy debates and discussions of the issues of the day. I believe that you also bring some unique and enlighted perspectives to the discussions and look forward to more of that in the future.

[GetAClue]

Perhaps it is not dark as it is dim. In other words there have been far worse times in even recent history and we have pulled through as a nation. We always do, and the reason is simple. The country was set up for discourse to push it on. I don't want to mislead anyone by saying forward, but it does continue.

I use history a lot when talking about politics and it drives some people to distraction. Maybe that's part of my goal without realising it, but the original foundations of our political structure were put in place by "Enlightened" men. "Enlightened" in the classical sense. Educated with the writings and philosophies of the Ancient Greeks and Romans. They had to answer the question and provide the best balance to how Representative Government fell and how to correct that problem in our future. The checks and balance between the Senate and the Congress is one. The separation into three branches of government is another.

Most importantly we have to remember today, just as much as during the Bush administration that we are not a classic republic, nor a True democracy. We have to remember that we have elected our officials to represent us as part of that process of checks and balances between us as the people.

We dont' always get what we want, and we can't always change what we don't like. But we never hold any single piece of legislation as holy, augerated or divinated as the Romans did. Changes can be made an repeals can be done. It called process and it feels like it gets in the way sometimes but it's apart of what makes the US the safest place to live in the world.

OK...I've "preambled" enough for one day.
I would love to sit down and have a beer with you and discuss history. I am somewhat of a history buff myself and enjoy learning at every opportunity that I get. It is nice to see that someone here shares that passion.

[GetAClue]

I agree with you sentiment but i really don't think that everyone wants the best for the country. I think many on the right want whats best for themselves and they believe in social Darwinism with little care for the people that make up this country. Of course thats not all on the right but it does seem to be very common.
While I really do beleive that MOST people want what is best for the country, you really should consider your condemnation of conservatives. I know a lot of people around the country and in all honesty, I cannot think of anyone that considers themselves a conservative that believes as you suggest. About the only ones that I know that care more for themselves as you describe, I would classify as liberal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not condeming all liberals with this statement. The people that I place in that catagory are generally younger (20's) and have not experienced much in life yet or raised a family.

But all it all, if you are able to drop your generalizations and see things without the partisan filters, you will be much more capable of having honest discussions with others on this board.

[Boogie man]

You seem to have convinced yourself that this is absolute fact and not just your opinion. Many of those who argue this, simply don't give reasons to the logic. Not to say that there are no theories on this. On the contrary, this has been debated since the beginning of representative government, I just don't think anyone has the conclusive answer because it's all relative.

This is common sense. This is also the belief of many of our founding fathers. I have also lived for 62 years and I've witnessed it as have others. To deny that enlarging government control restricts freedom is insane.