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Bill
08-27-2007, 08:55 PM
Convinced that God has been erased from public schools, Southern Baptists are now working to open their own schools, where Jesus is writ large and Bible study is part of the daily curriculum.

Church leaders are not calling for a wholesale exodus from public schools, which would be a monumental hit, considering that Southern Baptists make up the nation's largest Protestant denomination with 16 million members.

http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/683001.html

Stormy
08-28-2007, 02:08 PM
Convinced that God has been erased from public schools, Southern Baptists are now working to open their own schools, where Jesus is writ large and Bible study is part of the daily curriculum.

Church leaders are not calling for a wholesale exodus from public schools, which would be a monumental hit, considering that Southern Baptists make up the nation's largest Protestant denomination with 16 million members.

http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/683001.html
I say more power to 'em.

Bill
08-28-2007, 05:05 PM
I figured you would.

Stormy
08-28-2007, 05:14 PM
I figured you would.
:lmao2:
You misunderstand Bill. Southern Baptists have not been kind to me growing up. If they are secluded in the confines of their own walls then they are not out harassing me.

Bill
08-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Well, I wasn't thinking about it in terms of keeping the baptists isolated, I was wondering what the economy was going to do with millions of kids with an education 100 years out of date.

If we build a big wall, maybe there will be plenty of jobs as truck drivers and fruit pickers.

And, with the graying of the country, there's going to be a big need for bedpan changers.

But you do have a point, keeping baptists out of public school could have some advantages - the other kids might get a better education.

As long as taxes don't go to paying for obsolete religious instruction.

Jennifer
08-28-2007, 09:48 PM
Why does this surprise anyone? Church groups have been running schools, good schools, for centuries before the States of the Union took control of them. Since the states took control, education has been dropping like mad. Most of my Algebra classes I teach cannot add fractions, yet, I have to to pass them to pre-calculus anyway because of state law.

Private schools are not constrained like that. They are free to fail or pass based on merit. It drives students to perform better. This is probably why private schools produce better results in education.

While we are all created equal and endowed by our creator with the same inalienable rights, not all of us are given the same opportunities. Most of us are stuck with the socialist (aka Communism as you know it) systems of this nation.

So if these parents want to put their kids in charter schools or religious schools or even private secular schools, MORE POWER TO THEM! Sometimes, I honestly wonder if we might not be better off selling the schools to McDonald's, Pepsi Cola, Pfizer and other major corporations and letting them run them! Lord knows our administrators can't run a school anywhere but deeper into the ground!

Bill
08-28-2007, 10:21 PM
Very original thinking. The corporations run the country, logically, they should also run the schools. Vertical integration. Cradle to grave. Market forces.

Linkster
08-29-2007, 01:14 AM
I tend to agree having started out in public schools and then, after spending one year in high school outside drinking and doing the other things we did in the 60s, moving over to a very strict private "new school" that was heavily college prep oriented. I found myself bored to tears in the public system, especially after calling out the algebra teacher when she tried to put a limit on the way a certain equation could be solved - I was kicked out of class for attempting to show an alternate solution :)

However - I also think it is wrong to teach in a religious environment as that is just perpetrating the fairy tales of religion and we definitely need less of that in this world, so I would hope from a governmental viewpoint that there is no aid or money subsidizing anything like that.

Jennifer
08-29-2007, 04:28 PM
I disagree, Linkster. Religion serves a very fundamental purpose in society most importantly to impart the morals and ethics of civilized society on the next generation in a method and manner commonly accepted by most citizens of that society.

Furthermore, allowing the companies to run the schools would result in better math, science, reading comprehension, computational thinking, problem solving and sports then we have now because they would work on getting the best teachers, the best books, the best results possible to keep parents from chosing to send their children to a different company's school.

As the system is currently designed, you send your kids to the school you are told to send them. If it happens to be a really bad or violent school, then tough luck. You have only one other choice, pay for that school AND pay for another school that will take them in the private sector.

Why not make them ALL private sector schools? Or, have a few state run schools like the State University system where you can send your kids from out of state at a higher cost, or if you are in state you can send them free of charge?

Linkster
08-29-2007, 07:22 PM
Lets see - first off - the religious angle to maintain morality? Nahhh - I really wouldnt want any children of mine learning that it is ok to kill someone if they disagree with your religious morals or ethics which seems to be the moral base I hear from all religions around the world (with maybe the exception of Bhuddists, Quakers and Pagans)


Obviously you have never worked for a corporation in the upper echelons - the best employee for a smooth profitable company is the one that you can get to do the lowest for the least amount of money - which means that most private companies would then hire non-english speaking outsourced teachers from Asia and have classes led by a two-way video conference monitor.

As far as the free in-state State Universities - if it hadnt been for Reagan we would still have had that - we did when I was going to school - shame that the republicans had to change that for their own greed

Jennifer
08-29-2007, 07:28 PM
I wasnt talking about universities, I was talking about having some schools at the primary and secondary level for those who wish to use a free school and then let the corporations (like DePaul, Virginia Tech, Purdue, etc) run the rest.


And religious schools have been around for thousands of years, I think they might have a better understanding then the secular school system that has barely been around 150 years.


Furthermore, Christianity does not advocate murdering. The only religion I know of that advocates killing someone for having a different faith is Islam.


And no, never worked for a money grubbing, corporation like the Kerry-Heinz corporation, never worked for money grubbing lawyers like the Clintons either. Does that mean I can't comment on them?

Linkster
08-29-2007, 07:53 PM
I, have a few state run schools like the State University system where you can send your kids from out of state at a higher cost, or if you are in state you can send them free of charge?

This is the part I was referring to as right now there is no free in-state tuition system (anymore - there used to be) - again unfortunately that was done away with.

As far as the religious schools, I agree that they have always been around - and certainly know how to teach their religion and have been doing it well for ages - I disagree that this should be an option as I disagree that religion should even be a force in society since it teaches belief and faith in non-existent things.

Last - the killing of people by the Christian faith for being outside of their faith started if I remember correctly around 300 AD and has been going on ever since to the tune of somewhere in the neighborhood of over 100 million people killed in their gods name
If you listen to good christian message these days, they all advocate killing - from taking out doctors and patients at abortion clinics, to making the world "safe from terror" (which was president bush's excuse for invading Iraq and killing half a million civilians) - of course I believe he is of christian faith and believe that god told him to do that??

Linkster
08-29-2007, 07:55 PM
Separately - of course you can comment on anything you desire - if I disagree with you it doesnt mean I dont respect your voice, opinion or freedom to say whatever you please :thumbsup: