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LadyMod at scam.com
08-08-2007, 12:26 PM
What's it to ya? Why should you care that George W. Bush is funding the war in Iraq by borrowing a trillion dollars (really -- a trillion and counting) from China? Because, since China is paying the piper, China can call the tune. And they are just now making their first "request." Read the article below and remember it the next time George and his friends tell you they've made America stronger and safer.
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China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 9:54am BST 08/08/2007


The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds.

Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US.

"Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added.

He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so.

"China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. Russia, Switzerland, and several other countries have reduced the their dollar holdings.

"China is unlikely to follow suit as long as the yuan's exchange rate is stable against the dollar. The Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars once the yuan appreciated dramatically, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar," he told China Daily.

The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decicions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo".

She said foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.

Simon Derrick, a currency strategist at the Bank of New York Mellon, said the comments were a message to the US Senate as Capitol Hill prepares legislation for the Autumn session.

"The words are alarming and unambiguous. This carries a clear political threat and could have very serious consequences at a time when the credit markets are already afraid of contagion from the subprime troubles," he said.

A bill drafted by a group of US senators, and backed by the Senate Finance Committee, calls for trade tariffs against Chinese goods as retaliation for alleged currency manipulation.

The yuan has appreciated 9pc against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg but it has failed to halt the rise of China's trade surplus, which reached $26.9bn in June.

Henry Paulson, the US Tresury Secretary, said any such sanctions would undermine American authority and "could trigger a global cycle of protectionist legislation".

Mr Paulson is a China expert from his days as head of Goldman Sachs. He has opted for a softer form of diplomacy, but appeared to win few concession from Beijing on a unscheduled trip to China last week aimed at calming the waters.




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moonman
08-08-2007, 12:53 PM
We are China's biggest customer even though they loan the money to buy their stuff. This a tad premature strategically speaking. I would expect teh Chinese to bail out of USD's the moment China's domestic economy is mature enuf' to replace the USA as its primary customer. They aren't there yet but will be within maybe as soon as 3 and certainly not more than 10 years out.

It will be enuf' though for China simply to increase its policy of selling USD's above the 5 billion per month average to create a panic. The other shoe that is soon to drop is more OPEC refusing to trade in USD's.

Like I said, it's coming, I think October this year, others say November. We're in it and there's no way out but to go back to real work, restore fiscal integrity to the system and most probably go to a two-tiered currency system.

The Europeans and Japanese will save our buttsfor two reasons, (1) they ain't as stupid as the Chinese (2) they also know the only way to beat the new creditor nation axis of China/Russia is to prop up the USA.

LadyMod at scam.com
08-08-2007, 02:04 PM
The other shoe that is soon to drop is more OPEC refusing to trade in USD's.

I believe that is what Saddam threatened to do? Not sell oil in USD's but only accept Euro's?

Which then made him a target for invasion and led to his death. Of course the administration couldn't use that excuse, so WMD's became the issue. :disbelief:


LM

moonman
08-08-2007, 05:29 PM
Hussein was taken for no other reason than Dubya has a Daddy complex. 43 has to be bigger and badder than 41. I forget their names but Bush told two Newsweek reporters, "Yer effen right I'm takin' that muther-effer out" his first month in office.

Moby
08-09-2007, 12:28 AM
Again it's a matter of reading the blue print. Everyone that spent any time studying Dubya and Cheney knew full well that we were going to invade Iraq and that they would sell this country out by implementing such liberal and irresponsible economic policies.

The administration is in the perfect position to sell us out. They've already profited greatly from selling political favors and their base is too stupid to understand. They're out in 2008 no matter what so someone else has to fix it.

In my mind China declared economic war on us and Dubya made it easy for them. They already control the US market. The only reason that inflation is at bay is because China has lowered their currency.

Think about. Oil, health care, homes, insurance and other energy has doubled and more so in some cases. The prices of Chinese goods has risen slowly. We've already lost the jobs so it's too late for us to get them back when the currency market is fair.

Betty Blowtorch
08-09-2007, 02:49 AM
I've been hearing about this economic threat from China
for the past year or so, and it makes me nervous.

If China dumps its huge supply of dollars on the currency
markets, I wonder if it will cause a drastic drop in value
of the dollar.

What are the best ways to protect personal savings?
Convert dollars to a foreign currency such as euros
or buy gold?

stefan segal
08-09-2007, 10:06 AM
Blowtorch, all dollar values are relative to other currencies...the USD is most commonly announced relative to the euro, and as such, hasn't much to do with'buying power' of the currency.

Inflation values have more to do with buying power, but as those high inflationary commodities and services are most dropped from consideration in the earnest endeavor of manipulation of those indicators which alarm usd holders of how much they are being robbed, it is good to find something that has proved over the years to uphold it's value in terms of purchasing power.

I believe gold in hand is theonly practical means to manage to hold onto one's wealth under the onslaught of professional institutionalized thievery on the national treasure.

In this mode, one can disreguard making financial decisions depending upon the "truth" of government's or corporate's kinship with the artistic aspects of accounting and bookkeeping as opposed to thier sense of "inner truth" and "fair play".

If one notes the historic play of gold, especially these later years of heavy manipulation and propaganda, you will note that regardless of what has been done to gold in those good financial times ...times when the preservation of one's wealth is not on the table, you will note that those who held gold also maintained their wealth, as gold, (as measured in USD) soars in price world-wide...the larger the threat...the higher goes gold in USD to balance failing currencies.

The actual importance of gold is it's unfailing capacity to purchase goods and services.

In our Civil War when currencies went bad...gold was always the preferred medium of exchange...it's documented time and time again throughout history.

Our "yankee dollar" was as good...but that was before nixon shut our gold window...effectively deneying the gold backing of our paper notes, thereby opening the access to hyper-inflating that paper.

We all realize that credit, in all its forms, has become a flowing torrent avalable to all. ( it is being curtailed somewhat in these last days), this easy flow of credit is one half of the USD production of inflationary paper USD's...more loans = more printing of USDs.

I believe, if memory serves, that of a couple of years ago, that a USD of that year was equal in purchasing power to 7 cents worth of a 1956 dollar...much less today.

I would say physical gold in your own keeping. I dabble in Canadian gold mine stocks also...I am making a bet they will hold when the markets crash...but nothing can be a sure thing...even gold n your hand might be reason for hungry folks to attack and take it from you...but that is a whole different set of rules...but in all life's games, whatever you have you must be prepared to hold with your own energies...secrecy is prerequisite to gold ownership.

Stefan