And we call ourselves civilized..what a joke

[Kismet]

http://www.stlpunk.com/u_profile.asp?userID=103527
(the pictures in order on on the link where as the questions and stuff they were about are on the page.
Its sad though, how messed up parts of our society are, how we let these things happen
Why do people commit suicide?

http://http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/78/43/22684378.jpg

Why do people cut themselves?



Why do girls become anerexic and belimec?


Why do kids bring guns to school?



Why do kids get depressed...so they start using meds, and abusing them?



Why do girls feel the need to act like sluts to impress guys?


In the Bill Of Rights, it says we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH! So why are we so afraid to speak up for ourselves?



I KNOW WHY!

Cliques

Gangsters

Preps

Nerds

Goths

Emos

Scene/Hardcore kids

Punks

^^^AND THATS NOT EVEN HALF OF THEM!

Society in general



We live in a world where if your not skinny, not beautiful, not sexy, not straight...your tortured, abused, and humiliated. We say that we are all equal but, there is still racism, sexism, and people judging others based on there religion, color, size, heritage, ect.

IS THIS AMERICAN?


IS THIS THE NATION WE LIVE IN AND FIGHT WARS TO SUPPORT?




I AM SICK OF IT!
Stereotypes, and everything else.
I want to live in a good place, without suicide, rape, murder, and JUDGEMENT!



child abuse

http://www.epigram.org.uk/resources/183/nf02.jpg

[Bill]

Didn't work, dude - the editor won't take html like that.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Hey Kismet, I fixed your link!! http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4651/click02dl5.gif (http://www.vanessamontagne.com/pictures/sneakpeak/sneak/medium/pic07.htm)

[kres24GT]

Most all of the problems listed there are direct repercussions of welfare. As long as we pay our stupid and lazy to breed out of control they will continue to do so. Soon their uneducated, criminalistic, gangbanging, unsafe sex having, drug abusing, welfare descendants will be the ruling class in this country.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Hey Kismet, I fixed your link!!

They allow porn here?

I think I'll go back to my own forum where it's not allowed.


LM

[Sammy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWdJ_dvdGjs ;)

[Betty Blowtorch]

They allow porn here?

I think I'll go back to my own forum
where it's not allowed.

LM
Porn? What porn? I don't see any porn.

I only see a little button. http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4651/click02dl5.gif (http://www.vanessamontagne.com/pictures/sneakpeak/sneak/medium/pic07.htm)
You can click on it or not.
It's up to your own discretion.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Porn? What porn? I don't see any porn.

I only see a little button. http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4651/click02dl5.gif (http://www.vanessamontagne.com/pictures/sneakpeak/sneak/medium/pic07.htm)
You can click on it or not.
It's up to your own discretion.

I did, that was why I called it porn. You should have at least given some kind of fair warning. I don't call looking at someone's breast exactly in line with the topic of the thread.

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[disrupter]

kres24GT, blame it on welfare?

it runs a little deeper that that,
it is called biological evolution,

our inheritance from billions of years of ancestors.

How easily we put our confabulated corporate marketing or religious social 'norms' [whatever that means] upon natural human animal behavior.

If you really are concerned with things you should probably think about steering your society/species with chaos math & statistical behavioral analysis.

Concern yourself with the overall mass of humanity than get hysterical about a few minor incidents around the edges.

You want to eliminate judgements?
To avoid being a hypocrite you will need to start with yourself.
You [we?] have taken on some corporate commercialized image of what programming people are 'supposed' to follow in your imaginary 'best' world.

To address the size & scope of humanities concerns we will have to abandon most of our romantic notions & do the heavy lifting of dispassionate analysis.
In absolute theory, i think we actually need to have a bit of the insane edge to us, provided we don't destroy the place where we live.
Imo Life is pathological, not prosaic.

our best effort is to make our species existence not a completely self destructive pathology.

Of course to do that we have to have a commitment that goes beyond shallow, pre-conceived, pre-packaged notions & address messy complex reality.

Personally even if i thought i could have an impact, the task is so overwhelming & without beginning or end, where do you start?

Maybe the best one can do is learning to manage one's own life well & rationally.
Those local to you [hopefully your own children especially] will learn/guide themselves from your example.

rational living with a mind to the big picture, the new social contagion?

[kres24GT]

kres24GT, blame it on welfare?

it runs a little deeper that that,
it is called biological evolution,

our inheritance from billions of years of ancestors.

How easily we put our confabulated corporate marketing or religious social 'norms' [whatever that means] upon natural human animal behavior.

If you really are concerned with things you should probably think about steering your society/species with chaos math & statistical behavioral analysis.

Concern yourself with the overall mass of humanity than get hysterical about a few minor incidents around the edges.

You want to eliminate judgements?
To avoid being a hypocrite you will need to start with yourself.
You [we?] have taken on some corporate commercialized image of what programming people are 'supposed' to follow in your imaginary 'best' world.

To address the size & scope of humanities concerns we will have to abandon most of our romantic notions & do the heavy lifting of dispassionate analysis.
In absolute theory, i think we actually need to have a bit of the insane edge to us, provided we don't destroy the place where we live.
Imo Life is pathological, not prosaic.

our best effort is to make our species existence not a completely self destructive pathology.

Of course to do that we have to have a commitment that goes beyond shallow, pre-conceived, pre-packaged notions & address messy complex reality.

Personally even if i thought i could have an impact, the task is so overwhelming & without beginning or end, where do you start?

Maybe the best one can do is learning to manage one's own life well & rationally.
Those local to you [hopefully your own children especially] will learn/guide themselves from your example.

rational living with a mind to the big picture, the new social contagion?


Anytime you read about someone doing something "fucked up" they are usually always on welfare. Because its the only way these fucked up people can survive, they'd be dead if they were responsible for themselves, or at least in jail where they can stop breeding.

All of your stuff you said here is very poetic, but not really worth more than that.

[disrupter]

i guess i won't be looking for any intellectual heavy lifting from you.

calling a symptom the disease.

Let me guess, you visit 'faith' healers?

[kres24GT]

i guess i won't be looking for any intellectual heavy lifting from you.

calling a symptom the disease.

Let me guess, you visit 'faith' healers?


Welfare is a disease. It's enables poor behavior. As someone who grew up around it I know all too well.

You'll get only, logic, reason, and fact from me, no BS. If you are looking for a BS partisan argument, try elsewhere.

[Bill]

Anytime you read about someone doing something "fucked up" they are usually always on welfare. Because its the only way these fucked up people can survive, they'd be dead if they were responsible for themselves, or at least in jail where they can stop breeding.

Dang, I don't know a single person on welfare, but I know a fair number of people who have done fucked up things.

It must be nice to live down south where only people on welfare do fucked up things.

[Sammy]

Picked this up just a few minutes ago:

Often, when Ryan Svolto manages to sleep, he finds himself back in Iraq preparing for triage, awash in blood and bodies. But he can't find his medical kit, and, helpless, he thrashes awake, damp with sweat.

As an infantry medic, he patched up soldiers wounded in combat in Iraq. Now, Svolto, 24, is trying to fix his own wounded life after a recent stint at a Daytona Beach homeless shelter.

Svolto is one of a growing number of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who joined the ranks of Florida's homeless after returning home. Experts say a system already buckling under one of the nation's largest homeless populations might collapse under the weight of a new wave of veterans, many saddled with mental-health issues and crippling brain injuries.

"If I could identify and convince every homeless vet in the area to come to a shelter or a transitional-housing program," said Cathy Jackson, executive director of the Homeless Services Network of Central Florida, "we wouldn't have enough beds for them."

For Svolto, it's yet another battle, one he believes he won't be fighting alone.

"That's the scary part: when they get out of the Army and realize they're not who they used to be," he said. "It seems easier to disappear in the woods and live that way. A lot of these kids aren't going to be prepared. I wasn't prepared."

Nearly half of all homeless veterans served in Vietnam. Hamstrung by a lack of job skills, by drug addictions and psychological issues, they became homeless 12 to 15 years after discharge.

But veterans of the latest war are hitting the streets much sooner.

Problems emerge quickly

A recent report by the Swords to Plowshares' Iraq Veteran Project, a San Francisco advocacy group for veterans, says new vets "are already seeking housing services, some just months after returning from Iraq."

But few of them are asking for help so far in Central Florida. New veterans -- including those who served in Kuwait and now Afghanistan and Iraq -- account for just 1 percent of clients in the region using Veterans Affairs' Health Care for Homeless Veterans program, said Dan Robbin, homeless-network coordinator for the region that includes most of Florida.

But during the next decade, the VA is "ramping up" with new clinics and medical centers across the state to help new vets, he said.

What the VA doesn't provide is transitional housing, which grants vets safe harbor to kick drugs, build job skills and return to self-sufficiency.

"There is no 28-day treatment program that's going to wave the magic wand and throw a little bit of pixie dust out there and make it all right," said Thomas Griffin, CEO of The Transition House, a veterans-recovery program in Kissimmee.

It's a long, tough slog that largely falls to community-based programs. The VA paid $2.8 million in 2006 to partially defray 20 Florida programs, accounting for 450 transitional-housing beds. Another 50 beds are in the planning stages, Robbin said.

But that puts barely a dent in the problem, advocates say. The Department of Children and Families recently estimated that veterans comprise about 18 percent of Florida's homeless, with best estimates at about 18,000.

And women now count toward the tally: Though only a fraction of homeless vets (less than 5 percent in this region), new female vets are more vulnerable to homelessness than nonveteran women, a recent VA study found.

Stress tests relationships

Experts think thousands of new vets burdened with war-related psychological problems will make a bad problem even worse. A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that nearly 20 percent of Iraq vets show clinical signs of major depression and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Similarly, about a fifth of them have traumatic brain injuries, often the result of being wounded by roadside bombs. Such injuries can produce personality changes, mood swings and impaired memory.

Undiagnosed veterans become vulnerable to homelessness as relationships wither because they "may be blamed for their behaviors and struggles," said Dr. Shari Balter, a psychologist with Stand Down House, a Lake Worth drug program for homeless male veterans.

Svolto, who missed his daughter's birth while in Iraq, left the military last year. But he and his wife soon separated. Post-traumatic stress gripped Svolto, and he turned to alcohol to dull memories of the war.

"We were newlyweds when I left, but once you get back from combat, you're nothing like you used to be," he said.

War memories slow to fade

Svolto says he couldn't hold a job because of his condition. He maxed out his credit cards trying to stay afloat and lost his home in October.

He turned to Serenity House of Volusia Inc., a homeless shelter and substance-abuse-treatment program that provides transitional housing for veterans. He graduated from the program about three months ago and is receiving VA help with his post-traumatic stress.

Now, he's living with his parents in Deltona and working to win back his family.

Svolto says Serenity "kind of helped me to learn to cope with things and live life sober, but nothing [the memories] really went away. It's just a matter of accepting it more and more."

Shelters are decent, if also limited, stopgaps, but experts agree community programs geared to homeless veterans achieve the best results. The best offer transitional housing, sobriety programs and job training.

"When we start to look at the size of the facilities that we have and the number of homeless vets in the area, we don't have enough," Transition House's Griffin said.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/health/orl-homelessvets0607aug06,0,2041165.story

Yeah, those 'welfare' folks are bad for this country.

[kres24GT]

Dang, I don't know a single person on welfare, but I know a fair number of people who have done fucked up things.

It must be nice to live down south where only people on welfare do fucked up things.


Could be a Southern thing, I doubt it though. Anyway I am speaking in generalizations, I am sure you know this though. There are few absolutes, it really doesn't need to be said.

[disrupter]

George W. Bush & Dick Cheney have never been on welfare,

QED, i rest my case. :D

[kres24GT]

George W. Bush & Dick Cheney have never been on welfare,

QED, i rest my case. :D


Both have probably been benefits of corporate welfare, just a guess though.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Both have probably been benefits of corporate welfare, just a guess though.

Touche'


It's probably true.

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[disrupter]

Corporate welfare costs multi-TRILLIONS & destroys this nation's secure position in the world.

People welfare costs a few billions & actually does some AMERICANS some good & doesn't threaten national security.

Corporate welfare loots this nation's treasury & ships it off to some swiss bank account.

[kres24GT]

Corporate welfare costs multi-TRILLIONS & destroys this nation's secure position in the world.

People welfare costs a few billions & actually does some AMERICANS some good & doesn't threaten national security.

Corporate welfare loots this nation's treasury & ships it off to some swiss bank account.


Both should be done away with. Especially on the federal level where both are unconstitutional.

Welfare does do some good, but does more harm.

[disrupter]

you support tax cuts for corporations,

it kind of sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Maybe you have just bought the hype about how dependent the US citizen & economy are on big, dinosaur corporations.
Time for a little bootstrap initiative.
Americans made america great, NOT corporations.
Americans make the economy go & grow, not government or corporations.

[kres24GT]

you support tax cuts for corporations,

it kind of sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Maybe you have just bought the hype about how dependent the US citizen & economy are on big, dinosaur corporations.
Time for a little bootstrap initiative.
Americans made america great, NOT corporations.
Americans make the economy go & grow, not government or corporations.


So let's get government out of our businesses then by eliminating corporate welfare, regulation, and the host of other wasteful programs that lead to giant corporations.


At the same time lets cut corporate taxes so smaller corporation can compete.


And also lets get rid of welfare because it's unconstitutional and causes more harm than good.