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Bill Cosby
12-16-2009, 10:07 PM
Tea Party Movement Evolves Into Political Force With Eye Toward 2010

FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/tea-party-movement-evolves-political-force/)

The "tea party" movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity, with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that's starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

What started as a conservative protest klatch has evolved into a political force with enough muscle to potentially alter the course of the 2010 mid-term elections.

The "tea party" movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that's starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

The tea party activists rallied for smaller government and lower taxes again on Capitol Hill Tuesday afternoon -- among the headliners were Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, whose FreedomWorks group has acted as somewhat of an umbrella organization.

That's just the latest affirmation of tea party momentum:

-- Various tea party groups and supporters, including FreedomWorks, are launching political action committees to back candidates financially in the 2010 elections.

A Rasmussen poll last week showed that more voters would rather elect a "Tea Party" congressional candidate than a Republican one.

-- A documentary film was recently released tracking the evolution of the movement.

-- And several groups are pulling together the National Tea Party Convention in early February in Nashville, where former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is set to headline.

Sherry Phillips, vice president of convention organizer Tea Party Nation, said the event will be a chance for hundreds of delegates to figure out the future of the movement.

"It needs to move past just the rallies," Phillips told FoxNews.com. "We can't just stand around holding signs."

Prominent Republicans including Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn plan to speak at the convention. Phillips said the overarching goal of the tea partiers is to affect the 2010 elections and support candidates who reflect their values.

She said there's a split within the multifaceted movement over whether tea party should be big "T" or little "t." In other words, do the activists form their own party, officially, or try to influence the composition of the existing ones?

Tea Party Nation opposes the creation of a new third party. And FreedomWorks' Matt Kibbe said the special election in upstate New York last month -- in which Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman drove the Republican candidate out of the race with the help of tea party activists -- can be considered an "anomaly." (Hoffman ended up losing narrowly to Democrat Bill Owens.)

"I think a more practical solution is to take over the GOP," Kibbe said, explaining that the tea party movement can have the most impact by directing volunteers and money in support of GOP candidates who reflect their small-government values.

He mentioned Pennsylvania, where Pat Toomey is carrying the conservative banner in the U.S. Senate race, and Florida, where Marco Rubio is doing the same, as two model states.

"We're going to see a new set of leaders in Washington come November," Kibbe said.

FreedomWorks, meanwhile, is planning to put its money where its mouth is in the coming months. Armey told Fox News his group will start a PAC, not to fund candidates directly but to fund activities who support them.

Organizer Eric Odom recently launched his Liberty First PAC, and Phillips said her group is also considering creating a PAC.

The Republican Party would prefer to invite tea partiers into the fold rather than run against them in general elections, and this may force a change in the makeup of the GOP itself.

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said his hope is that "we can all come together."

"This is the conservative party of the country," Steele said. "We offer that ... political infrastructure, if you will, if you want to run for office or if you want to be involved politically. This is the best place to do it."

The Rasmussen poll spelled out the kind of vote-splitting trouble the tea party movement could stir if it forms a third party. It showed that 23 percent of people would pick a "Tea Party" candidate on a congressional ballot without knowing who that candidate is, while just 18 percent would pick the Republican. Thirty-six percent would pick a Democrat.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted Dec. 4-5 and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

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JJGlanton
12-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Most TeaBaggers are liberals, Bill.

Bill Cosby
12-17-2009, 07:02 PM
So are the luberal teabaggers partaking in the overthrow of the grand O' party???

CosmicRocker
12-17-2009, 07:03 PM
The tea party activists rallied for smaller government and lower taxes again on Capitol Hill Tuesday afternoon

good. maybe the idea that we can't continually spend more than we take in might sink into to drunken sailors in Congress.

The Republican party isn't for limited gov't - unless it's to block the Dems.
when they had the chance to slow gov't growth they didn't.

Maybe a new conservatism, or rebranding of the Republican's to fiscal conservatives might be a good outcome.

JJGlanton
12-17-2009, 07:04 PM
So are the luberal teabaggers partaking in the overthrow of the grand O' party???
Probably not. Most "liberal teabaggers", which is somewhat redundant, are more concerned about home decor, fashion, and gay marriage.

Bill Cosby
12-17-2009, 07:13 PM
Well maybe the GOP will find room for them & their votes once the "real conservatives" leave that party...

CosmicRocker
12-17-2009, 07:16 PM
Well maybe the GOP will find room for them & their votes once the "real conservatives" leave that party...interesting Bill.

I've been trying to figure out what "true (real) conservatism" is these days.

drawing a blank.

JJGlanton
12-17-2009, 07:17 PM
Well maybe the GOP will find room for them & their votes once the "real conservatives" leave that party...
I am pretty certain that gays are welcome to join the GOP.

Bill Cosby
12-17-2009, 07:39 PM
interesting Bill.

I've been trying to figure out what "true (real) conservatism" is these days.

drawing a blank.

Although we were kids @ the time but I suspect some of us heard the name Goldwater....

I wonder if Mr Buckley would have to say--->>> Nice clip, see what he has to say about it.. (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1826833n&tag=related;photovideo).:thumbsup:

Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/22/eveningnews/main1826838.shtml)

(CBS) President Bush ran for office as a "compassionate conservative." And he continues to nurture his conservative base — even issuing his first veto this week against embryonic stem cell research.

But lately his foreign policy has come under fire from some conservatives — including the father of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley.

CBS Evening News Saturday anchor Thalia Assuras sat down for an exclusive interview with Buckley about his disagreements with President Bush.

Buckley's Stamford, Conn., home is a tranquil place that allows Buckley to think, write and spend time with his canine companion, Sebastian.

"He's practically always with me," Buckley says.

Buckley finds himself parting ways with President Bush, whom he praises as a decisive leader but admonishes for having strayed from true conservative principles in his foreign policy.

In particular, Buckley views the three-and-a-half-year Iraq War as a failure.

"If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we've experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign," Buckley says.

Asked if the Bush administration has been distracted by Iraq, Buckley says "I think it has been engulfed by Iraq, by which I mean no other subject interests anybody other than Iraq... The continued tumult in Iraq has overwhelmed what perspectives one might otherwise have entertained with respect to, well, other parts of the Middle East with respect to Iran in particular."

Despite evidence that Iran is supplying weapons and expertise to Hezbollah in the conflict with Israel, Buckley rejects neo-conservatives who favor a more interventionist foreign policy, including a pre-emptive air strike against Iran and its nuclear facilities.

"If we find there is a warhead there that is poised, the range of it is tested, then we have no alternative. But pending that, we have to ask ourselves, 'What would the Iranian population do?'"

Buckley does support the administration's approach to the North Korea's nuclear weapons threat, believing that working with Russia, China, Japan and South Korea is the best way to get Pyongyang back to the negotiating table. But that's about where the agreement ends.

"Has Mr. Bush found himself in any different circumstances than any of the other presidents you've known in terms of these crises?" Assuras asks.

"I think Mr. Bush faces a singular problem best defined, I think, as the absence of effective conservative ideology — with the result that he ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending, extremely tolerant of excesses by Congress," Buckley says. "And in respect of foreign policy, incapable of bringing together such forces as apparently were necessary to conclude the Iraq challenge."

Asked what President Bush's foreign policy legacy will be to his successor, Buckley says "There will be no legacy for Mr. Bush. I don't believe his successor would re-enunciate the words he used in his second inaugural address because they were too ambitious. So therefore I think his legacy is indecipherable"

At 81, Mr. Buckley still continues to contribute a regular column to the National Review, the magazine he started 51 years ago.

Stamford, Conn., July 22, 2006

CosmicRocker
12-17-2009, 07:42 PM
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Thanks Bill. Looks like Buckley was no fan of the Neo-cons.

Bill Cosby
12-17-2009, 07:48 PM
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Thanks Bill. Looks like Buckley was no fan of the Neo-cons.

LOL............ He was from the old school.........

I miss reading his insight....

I had his articles linked to email....

I would of loved to watch Buckley debate bush the lesser..........:lmao2: :lmao2:

He would of made a pretzel out of him...............

CosmicRocker
12-17-2009, 09:26 PM
LOL............ He was from the old school.........

I miss reading his insight....

I had his articles linked to email....

I would of loved to watch Buckley debate bush the lesser..........:lmao2: :lmao2:

He would of made a pretzel out of him...............
Yes. Buckley/Goldwater were true fiscal conservatives, and would not go along with the neo-cons.

Oy. is it any wonder I cant stand either party?

Bill Cosby
12-17-2009, 09:36 PM
Yes. Buckley/Goldwater were true fiscal conservatives, and would not go along with the neo-cons.

Oy. is it any wonder I cant stand either party?

Buckley was slightly less hardcore but those old schoolerZ would of never allowed the "religious right" a chair back in the kitchen more-less a seat @ the table.........

When the teabaggers fail to take over the party then what??

Will they change their minds & run someone??