Turns out Pat Tillman might have gotten the "double tap"

[Bill]

Double tap is shooter slang for a series of shots that guarantee a kill.

Two shots in the heart, two in the head.

Look for this in the news - the medical report Bush is trying to keep secret.

Inexplicably, so the rumor goes, Tillman was shot three times in the head at close range.

I won't believe it till the report is made public, but supposedly the medics who wrote the report are talking, and the neocons can't shut them up.

It does explain why Bush has said that the Tillman reports have to be kept secret.

[Southern Man]

Do you get a tickle in your liberal heart because of this tragedy? So Tillman's death was an accident, so what? It's not the first time its happened in war and most certaitly won't be the last. Leave it to a liberal democrat to try and score political points on a hero's death.

And for your information, a "double tap" is a simple two shot sequence on the target. It doesn't have anything to do with a head shot, and certaintly doesn't involve "Two shots in the heart, two in the head" as you stated. It is a simple manuever that has statistically been shown to drop a live target more effectively than a single shot.

[Bill]

And for your information, a "double tap" is a simple two shot sequence on the target. It doesn't have anything to do with a head shot, and certaintly doesn't involve "Two shots in the heart, two in the head" as you stated. It is a simple manuever that has statistically been shown to drop a live target more effectively than a single shot.

True, especially in police slang.

But, while I don't have references, I have seen the same slang used in military slang to describe a coup de gras, and is discussions of special forces and assassination techniques, to describe, as I said, two in the heart, two in the head. Do you have an alternate slang that you think is more likely to be used in the military? I considered "headshot", but didn't think that was

I note your criticism of my use of slang, and agree that your usage is the standard among police and self-defense shooting.

And yes, I do take pleasure in watching the conduct of the war to be revealed to be shoddy. And especially in seeing Bush scurry to cover up his conduct.

[Southern Man]

True, especially in police slang.

But, while I don't have references, I have seen the same slang used in military slang to describe a coup de gras, and is discussions of special forces and assassination techniques, to describe, as I said, two in the heart, two in the head. Do you have an alternate slang that you think is more likely to be used in the military? I considered "headshot", but didn't think that was

I note your criticism of my use of slang, and agree that your usage is the standard among police and self-defense shooting.

And yes, I do take pleasure in watching the conduct of the war to be revealed to be shoddy. And especially in seeing Bush scurry to cover up his conduct.

No reference. And it's Bush's fault. Classic.

[Judy___]

He was shot three times in the middle of the forehead from a distance of about 10 yards according to the medical report.

There are emails from Army officials gloating because they avoided a criminal investigation.

It was clearly murder.

[Southern Man]

He was shot three times in the middle of the forehead from a distance of about 10 yards according to the medical report.

There are emails from Army officials gloating because they avoided a criminal investigation.

It was clearly murder.

If you're going to claim someone was murdered you'd best be prepared to offer at least a theory on motive and opportunity. I've read nothing on the case lately (Bill here never offered a link) but I suspect it is a simple case of friendly fire.

[Judy___]

One of the main reason for fragging in VietNam was because an officer was perceived to be seeking glory and endangering his men by volunteering for extra-dangerous missions.

The article mentioned that he had just berated one of the men for cowardliness (in his opinion) and made a comment that "God won't help you, you have to act yourself..."

The main thing is it was all covered up and improperly investigated.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Here's a link (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003617692) to an Associated Press story about Tillman's
alleged murder by his fellow Army Rangers.

Army medical examiners said that the THREE bullet holes
in Tillman's forehead were so close together that it looked
like he was shot by an M-16 fired from only 10 yards away.

No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene.
Nobody was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government
equipment struck.

Just 3 bullets through Tillman's forehead, fired from an M-16
by one of Tillman's own men. The only question is whether
it was intentional or accidental.

[Politicz]

Double tap is shooter slang for a series of shots that guarantee a kill.

Two shots in the heart, two in the head.

Look for this in the news - the medical report Bush is trying to keep secret.

Inexplicably, so the rumor goes, Tillman was shot three times in the head at close range.

I won't believe it till the report is made public, but supposedly the medics who wrote the report are talking, and the neocons can't shut them up.

It does explain why Bush has said that the Tillman reports have to be kept secret.

I'm a military veteran, and the double tap shot is use most amongst military special forces when wanting to shoot a target or person at close range-usually at ten feet or less. This type of shooting technique is used to insure assassination of another person. The shooter usually aims for the head, the heart or the spine. It's not all that accurate beyond ten feet-(but can be done), because it is usually done with a handgun (an M16A1 rifle can administer the same affect at a distance if it is fired on semi-automatic. However, the bullet wounds most likely will not be in exactly the same place-but closely cropped together). And, this is why Pat Tillman's death could be suspected to be a murder, because "if" the double tap was use, this means that the shooter had to be close enough to Tillman to see that he was at least another U.S. soldier, because even if the shooter didn't see Tillman's face, the battle fatigues would have been the same, and every soldier is trained in basic training to identify specific markers and makes of military vehicles, so that they can distinguish their own vehicles from the enemy's vehicles. It could be that Pat Tillman was murdered-or that it really was actually a friendly fire incident. There was all this hoopla around him giving up a multi-million dollar football career to fight for his country, and how he got promoted due to favoritism. Who knows, there could have been some jealous soldiers that took the opportunity to shoot him, then say it was an accident, and then their superior officers covered it up so that it wouldn't reflect on them and how they trained the soldiers under their command. Then after an investigation, and probably autopsy reports proved that Tillman was shot at close range, and with a double tap technique-then officers lied even further, and changed their story from the enemy shot Tillman, to "it was an accident by friendly fire." It happens. Presently, several officers involved in the Tillman case are being repremanded.:o ,:( ,:disbelief:

[Politicz]

One of the main reason for fragging in VietNam was because an officer was perceived to be seeking glory and endangering his men by volunteering for extra-dangerous missions.

The article mentioned that he had just berated one of the men for cowardliness (in his opinion) and made a comment that "God won't help you, you have to act yourself..."

The main thing is it was all covered up and improperly investigated.

All the more reason why Tillman's death seems suspicious. All the lies and cover-ups surrounding his death makes it look like foul play and murder was involved-but again, it still could have just been friendly fire. Only a thorough independent investigation will find out any truth in all of this.:o

[Southern Man]

Here's a link (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003617692) to an Associated Press story about Tillman's
alleged murder by his fellow Army Rangers.

Army medical examiners said that the THREE bullet holes
in Tillman's forehead were so close together that it looked
like he was shot by an M-16 fired from only 10 yards away.

No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene.
Nobody was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government
equipment struck.

Just 3 bullets through Tillman's forehead, fired from an M-16
by one of Tillman's own men. The only question is whether
it was intentional or accidental.

Thanks for the link. Too bad Bill didn't provide one with his OP. I guess 9it was more important for Bill to take the oportunity to diss our soldiers.

From the AP article: "Investigators also asked soldiers and commanders whether Tillman was disliked, whether anyone was jealous of his celebrity, or if he was considered arrogant. They said Tillman was respected, admired and well-liked."

[Southern Man]

I'm a military veteran, and the double tap shot is use most amongst military special forces when wanting to shoot a target or person at close range-usually at ten feet or less. .... Doesn't the M16 have a selector to provide a 3 shot burst?

[Bill]

Ultimately, I think it was more likely to have been an accident, than a killing. In a firefight, crazy things happen.

Altho Tillman is famous for saying "This war is so fucking illegal" - and who knows how well he was liked by his people.

It's the coverup. It's all about the coverup.

[Bill]

Here's a bit more about it.

"Tillman reportedly well-liked
Soldiers and commanders who worked with Tillman have repeatedly testified that he was respected, admired and well-liked.

In the same testimony, medical examiners said the bullet holes in Tillman’s head were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

O’Neal said the shooters were “close, close enough for me to recognize them, but they sure weren’t 10 yards away. They were further than that. I’ve thought about this plenty of times. They wouldn’t have been more than 50 yards away.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20016171/

Technically, it's the M-4, not an M-16.

And, I'm not sure how a medical examiner would be able to tell the difference between a hit from 10 yards vs a hit from 50 yards - 10 yards is way too far for powder stippling, and that bullet just doesn't lose momentum that fast.

Altho, it's not impossible that there are ways to tell.

With the records sealed as classified, we may not really know for years.

Even at ten yards, it would be amazing to intentionally get three shots together on a moving head sized target - even with the three round option selected, even with the legendary stability of the m-4.

If I had to bet, I would bet on accident. But, it's a nasty coincidence, a medic now says there was a 3 round close range headshot, and whattya know, there was also an attempted coverup.

[Betty Blowtorch]

The problem is: the Army has lied from Day One.
How can we trust what they say now?

First they claimed Tillman was killed by enemy fire.
Then they finally admitted he was killed by friendly fire.

Now the army medical examiner suspects that the
army investigation is hiding something because the
physical evidence tends to throw doubt on the
"official story."

The Army admittedly lied about the enemy fire.
They have zero credibility with me.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
won't get fooled again.

[Moby]

So Tillman's death was an accident, so what?
Another in a long list of neo-con cover ups. We don't live in China, Russia or nazi Germany. We live in America and the truth is supposed to set us free.

[Kinky Jones]

I grew up watching ASU and cardinals football and Tillman was one of my football heros, one of my buddies from high school played at ASU with him for a few seasons and he was a D lineman for the first couple years so he practiced with him alot... Tillman was the all american nice guy, when he joined the Army I was 99% sure he wasn't coming home alive but I never imagined his death would be such a controversy, the cover up is disgusting and I feel for his family having to go thru what they have just to know how Pat really died :(


my personal opinion is it was an accident due to "the fog of war" and the military tried to make him into the poster boy for killing terrorists but the guys who he served with wouldn't all hide the truth and stick to military regulation and tradition of keeping your mouth shut no matter what...

one Marine's name that I will never forget, Eric J. Orlowski (http://www.iraqwarheroes.com/orlowski.htm) was killed by a friend who accidently shot him with a .50 cal, fucked up things happen in war due to human error and friends end up killing freinds :( I never knew the guy or heard of him before he died but I won't ever forget him :)

[Southern Man]

Another in a long list of neo-con cover ups. We don't live in China, Russia or nazi Germany. We live in America and the truth is supposed to set us free. As long as its the liberal, PC version of the truth.

[Politicz]

Doesn't the M16 have a selector to provide a 3 shot burst?
It has a manual selector, and semi-automatic. However, the M16A1 also has enough recoil that even if you held your breath and slowly squeezed the trigger, 9 out of 10 times, you're not going to hit the target in the same place, and the bullet entries would be spread out a bit from each other. And, the barrel of the M16A1 would have had to be right up on Tillman's head in order for those shots to have been in such close capacity, because after a bullet is fired from an M16A1 rifle, it tends to travel in an upward path until it reaches its full velocity, then starts falling downwards. Anyway these officers try to explain what happen to Tillman, his death being an accident is still questionable, because if autopsy reports did show that Tillman was hit in the head, and the three bullets were closely cropped together, this means whoever did it had to know that it was Tillman, because they had to be right up on him when they shot him, and chances are, they also used a handgun. Rangers, Airborne soldiers, special forces, and military officers all carry handguns and M16A1 rifles. And, Tillman's parents are not giving up on finding out what really happened to him, and when all is said and done, reports will probably show that he was murdered.:D

[Politicz]

Here's a bit more about it.

"Tillman reportedly well-liked
Soldiers and commanders who worked with Tillman have repeatedly testified that he was respected, admired and well-liked.

In the same testimony, medical examiners said the bullet holes in Tillman’s head were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

O’Neal said the shooters were “close, close enough for me to recognize them, but they sure weren’t 10 yards away. They were further than that. I’ve thought about this plenty of times. They wouldn’t have been more than 50 yards away.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20016171/

Technically, it's the M-4, not an M-16.

And, I'm not sure how a medical examiner would be able to tell the difference between a hit from 10 yards vs a hit from 50 yards - 10 yards is way too far for powder stippling, and that bullet just doesn't lose momentum that fast.

Altho, it's not impossible that there are ways to tell.

With the records sealed as classified, we may not really know for years.

Even at ten yards, it would be amazing to intentionally get three shots together on a moving head sized target - even with the three round option selected, even with the legendary stability of the m-4.

If I had to bet, I would bet on accident. But, it's a nasty coincidence, a medic now says there was a 3 round close range headshot, and whattya know, there was also an attempted coverup.

There's no way that an M16A1 rifle fired from 10 yards away is going to produce 3 closely cropped headshots, due to the velocity and recoil of the M16A1 rifle. Chances are, Tillman was killed at almost point blank range by a person using a handgun. If the military didn't have something to hide, this incident on Tillman wouldn't be sealed. Soldiers were accidently shot to death on occasions when I was in the military, and an investigation was done to get to the bottom of what happened, and then appropriate actions were taken against those involved. However, because Tillman was high profile, and might have been arrogant, and created a sense of inferiority complex amongst some of the other soldiers in his company, or because of jealousy, Tillman was probably killed when the opportunity presented itself.:D

[Betty Blowtorch]

Here's a funny little cartoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPpsBs8730) (only 26 seconds long)
in which Bush sums up the government's dishonest
cover-up of the Tillman shooting:

"Obstruct, cover-up, propagandize,
lie, lie, lie, obstruct..."

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5701/bushflipsbirdcq0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPpsBs8730)

"Oh yeah, support our troops!"



(I fixed the cartoon link above. If it didn't work
for you before, try it again. It should work OK
now. You can also click on the photo of Bush.)

[Southern Man]

It has a manual selector, and semi-automatic. However, the M16A1 also has enough recoil that even if you held your breath and slowly squeezed the trigger, 9 out of 10 times, you're not going to hit the target in the same place, and the bullet entries would be spread out a bit from each other. And, the barrel of the M16A1 would have had to be right up on Tillman's head in order for those shots to have been in such close capacity, because after a bullet is fired from an M16A1 rifle, it tends to travel in an upward path until it reaches its full velocity, then starts falling downwards. Anyway these officers try to explain what happen to Tillman, his death being an accident is still questionable, because if autopsy reports did show that Tillman was hit in the head, and the three bullets were closely cropped together, this means whoever did it had to know that it was Tillman, because they had to be right up on him when they shot him, and chances are, they also used a handgun. Rangers, Airborne soldiers, special forces, and military officers all carry handguns and M16A1 rifles. And, Tillman's parents are not giving up on finding out what really happened to him, and when all is said and done, reports will probably show that he was murdered.:D

I'll give his fellow soldiers benefit of doubt before all evidence is in, since tyese fine people deserve that, and out of respect for Tillman and his family I won't be flashing a cute smile now or later.

[Politicz]

I'll give his fellow soldiers benefit of doubt before all evidence is in, since tyese fine people deserve that, and out of respect for Tillman and his family I won't be flashing a cute smile now or later.

Yeah, right, like Tillman's family comes to this message board. The smile isn't for Tillman or his family, so get a grip. :D

[Southern Man]

Yeah, right, like Tillman's family comes to this message board. The smile isn't for Tillman or his family, so get a grip. :D Well it ain't for me man cuz I don't think the tradgedy is funny.

[Politicz]

Here's a funny little cartoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPpsBs8730) (only 26 seconds long)
in which Bush sums up the government's dishonest
cover-up of the Tillman shooting:

"Obstruct, cover-up, propagandize,
lie, lie, lie, obstruct..."

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5701/bushflipsbirdcq0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPpsBs8730)

"Oh yeah, support our troops!"

(I fixed the cartoon link above. If it didn't work
for you before, try it again. It should work OK
now. You can also click on the photo of Bush.)

Although this video is funny, it also reveals a lot of truth. Donald Rumsfeld sure did lie well during the latest hearings on the Tillman incident. chances are, we will never ever get the complete truth.:D

[Southern Man]

Although this video is funny, it also reveals a lot of truth. Donald Rumsfeld sure did lie well during the latest hearings on the Tillman incident. chances are, we will never ever get the complete truth.:DAny proof that one of the finest public servants to grace our presence lied or should we simply believe you?

[Bill]

one of the finest public servants to grace our presence

Southern hearts Rummy!

But not in the gay way. (which results in rather a disturbing mental picture...)

[Southern Man]

Southern hearts Rummy!

But not in the gay way. (which results in rather a disturbing mental picture...)

But I thought you liberals think that gay sex is normal, natural, healthy? Why do you always use gay as an insult?

[Politicz]

Well it ain't for me man cuz I don't think the tradgedy is funny.
Just because I put the big grin at the end of my posts doesn't mean I think Pat Tillman's death was funny. I'll put whatever I want at the end of my posts, so get off the petty wagon and get a grip. You neocons are so freaking sensitive. :lmao2: , :D

[Politicz]

Any proof that one of the finest public servants to grace our presence lied or should we simply believe you?

Surely you jest? Donald Rumsfeld being one of the finest public servants to grace our presence...:lmao2: , hee, hee, hee, :lmao2: , heeeee-yeah, right.

1. Black and White and Full of Crap
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0511-25.htm

2. Rumsfeld takes no blame in Tillman case
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/08/ap_tillmanrumsfeld_070801/

3. Rumsfeld Defends Himself in Tillman Probe
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/1/113602.shtml?s=us

...Your statement about Rummie is still funny , hee, hee, hee,...:lmao2: , :D

[Linkster]

I presume that none of you have really looked into what Tillmans family and especially his brother think about all of this - and what his brother testified to in congress as it would answer a bunch of the points being brought up here - Im sure you can find the transcript as it wasnt that long ago

[Bill]

But I thought you liberals think that gay sex is normal, natural, healthy? Why do you always use gay as an insult?

It's not so much of an insult, in my culture, just a little ribald. Altho, I grant you, the reference to gray sex was definitely low low humor.

You make a great straight man, so it's hard to resist the oppurtunity to go for the joke.

But, keeping hospitality in mind, I'll try to cool it with the gay jokes.

[disrupter]

it is my understanding that he got capped/fragged for expressing contempt for some scared whining Christian about their belief in god.

murdered in cold blood by some bible nut.

[Southern Man]

.....

...Your statement about Rummie is still funny , ....... but true. And no amount of cute smilies can change that.

[Linkster]

Could I ask what part is true - something got lost in this thread and Im trying to figure out what part you are talking about is true?

[Southern Man]

Having trouble keeping up? Sorry but we conservatives have no desire to lend a helping hand, remember?

[Linkster]

Im neither a conservative nor a liberal - I make my own decisions for myself and dont need a label to tell me how to think - and yes I was getting lost as I didnt know what statement you were referring to about the "truth" - and would like to just get some clarification - but I guess if you are labelling yourself as a conservative and you feel that they dont know how to be helpful - well then I guess I wont bother

[Betty Blowtorch]

Could I ask what part is true - something got lost
in this thread and I'm trying to figure out what part
you are talking about is true?
They're referring to SouthMan's earlier post (http://dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=9179&postcount=26)
in which he claimed that Donald Rumsfeld is
"one of the finest public servants to grace
our presence."

Is that why he got fired? For being too good
of a public servant?

[Betty Blowtorch]

it is my understanding that he got capped/fragged
for expressing contempt for some scared whining
Christian about their belief in god.

murdered in cold blood by some bible nut.
It may go a lot deeper than that.

I've read a number of reports suggesting that Tillman
had become disillusioned and disgusted by some of
the atrocities he saw in the so-called "war on terror"
and had been speaking out against it.

If he hadn't been shot by one of his own men, he might
have become a powerful voice in the antiwar movement.

That's a pretty strong motive for murder. Now his voice
has been silenced forever.

[disrupter]

Maybe i am ileducated, but i think most people operate on a pretty impulsive basis. Most events probably happen as a result of this.

Calculated long term planning is something i don't think most people find themselves capable of, either because of experience or circumstance.
imo it requires a whole, stable lasting support & resource structure. Most people exist hand to mouth, even a lot of prominent people.
If there are calculating people they probably prefer gnat brains who are more easily manipulated & steered around. If you were suddenly in the presence of someone/thing of great mind i think you would pick up on it & take note of it. Mostly we are more similar than we are different.

While i do think something other than has been told on 911 happened, i still am skeptical that something like Tillman's murder is more likely the impulsive action of some single distraught, angry or frustrated military killer rather than a plot from the pentagon. I do think of course the military did their knee jerk response of lie about it, cover it up, & make him into a military hero rather than expose the brutal fact that soldiers are simply hired killers who would compulsively murder their own.

If there is evidence of a pre-planned assassination i am open to that idea, but think it is the less likely explanation.

[Southern Man]

Im neither a conservative nor a liberal - I make my own decisions for myself and dont need a label to tell me how to think - and yes I was getting lost as I didnt know what statement you were referring to about the "truth" - and would like to just get some clarification - but I guess if you are labelling yourself as a conservative and you feel that they dont know how to be helpful - well then I guess I wont botherOh we know how to be helpful, but you liberals and those above all the labelling insist on branding us with the label of being unhelpful. So I'll use that to my advantage on occasion.

[Linkster]

Oh we know how to be helpful, but you liberals and those above all the labelling insist on branding us with the label of being unhelpful. So I'll use that to my advantage on occasion.

Sorry but we conservatives have no desire to lend a helping hand, remember?

I didnt brand you - you did yourself in your above post

[Southern Man]

Sorry but we conservatives have no desire to lend a helping hand, remember?

I didnt brand you - you did yourself in your above post How is that branding myself?

[Linkster]

Southern Man - never mind - I guess you dont understand what you said in your own post

An update - at least the President is in good company with you - he doesnt understand the Pat Tillman case either - from yesterdays news conference:
(transcript located at whitehouse.gov

Q Thank you, Mr. President. You speak often about taking care of the troops and honoring their sacrifice. But the family of Corporal Pat Tillman believes there was a cover up regarding his death, and some say perhaps he was even murdered, instead of just friendly fire. At a hearing last week on Capitol Hill your former Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, other officials used some version of "I don't recall" 82 times. When it was his term to step up, Pat Tillman gave up a lucrative NFL career, served his country and paid the ultimate sacrifice. Now you have a chance to pledge to the family that your government, your administration will finally get to the bottom of it. Can you make that pledge to the family today, that you'll finally, after seven investigations, find out what really happened?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I can understand why Pat Tillman's family, you know, has got significant emotions, because a man they loved and respected was killed while he was serving his country. I always admired the fact that a person who was relatively comfortable in life would be willing to take off one uniform and put on another to defend America. And the best way to honor that commitment of his is to find out the truth. And I'm confident the Defense Department wants to find out the truth, too, and we'll lay it out for the Tillman family to know.

Q But, Mr. President, there have been seven investigations and the Pentagon has not gotten to the bottom of it. Can you also tell us when you, personally, found out that it was not enemy fire, that it was friendly fire?

THE PRESIDENT: I can't give you the precise moment. But obviously the minute I heard that the facts that people believed were true were not true, that I expect there to be a full investigation and get to the bottom of it.

[Southern Man]

Southern Man - never mind - I guess you dont understand what you said in your own post...... [/I] Actually I don't understand your interpretaion of it, and apparently neither do you, or you would have answered my simple, direct question.

[Linkster]

Southern Man - in an earlier post you said specifically:
Sorry but we conservatives have no desire to lend a helping hand, remember?
In my "interpretation" that statement brands you as both a conservative and a person that doesnt want to "lend a helping hand" - by your words alone

[Southern Man]

Southern Man - in an earlier post you said specifically:
Sorry but we conservatives have no desire to lend a helping hand, remember?
In my "interpretation" that statement brands you as both a conservative and a person that doesnt want to "lend a helping hand" - by your words alone OIC, so you take an obvious facetious remark and use it to bash me with. And you accuse me of poor reading comprehension on top of that. Well I’m not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised at all.

[Linkster]

SMan - if it was facetious it certainly didnt come across that way - so my error in interpreting - and I certainly want trying to bash anyone - I dont have opinions on people personally - was trying to understand a comment made way back and to what it referred - which was answered by another poster
Thank you

[Southern Man]

SMan - if it was facetious it certainly didnt come across that way - so my error in interpreting - and I certainly want trying to bash anyone - I dont have opinions on people personally - was trying to understand a comment made way back and to what it referred - which was answered by another poster
Thank you

No problem. I appreciate your honest appraisal. :cool: