Drug tests for welfare

[Pat]

Should welfare recipients be required to pass a drug screen in order to receive benefits?

The purpose of welfare (unemployment, WIC, EBT, etc) is to provide for the needs of those that currently cannot support themselves. Using drugs is not a need. I would say that if you can afford drugs, you don't need assistance with paying for anything else.

I think people on government assistance should be subject to random drug tests. If you fail, you lose your benefits until you can test clean.

[Boogie man]

Should welfare recipients be required to pass a drug screen in order to receive benefits?

The purpose of welfare (unemployment, WIC, EBT, etc) is to provide for the needs of those that currently cannot support themselves. Using drugs is not a need. I would say that if you can afford drugs, you don't need assistance with paying for anything else.

I think people on government assistance should be subject to random drug tests. If you fail, you lose your benefits until you can test clean.

Sounds good to me. I would also demand that if they do not have a high school diploma that they be forced to get it and make classes available.

[Pat]

Sounds good to me. I would also demand that if they do not have a high school diploma that they be forced to get it and make classes available.
Will a GED suffice?

[mwillman]

I do not think drug tests should be given.

A drug test costs a decent amount of money and it would be an unnecessary expense.

How about if you are busted with drugs and by drugs I mean things harder then marijuana you loss your welfare. Of course welfare was changed in the 90s under a democrat and is no longer the expense it once was.

Why dont you focus more of your time on studying the people that have the money and power to effect this nation and stop trying to screw over the already screwed.

[Pat]

I do not think drug tests should be given.

A drug test costs a decent amount of money and it would be an unnecessary expense.

How about if you are busted with drugs and by drugs I mean things harder then marijuana you loss your welfare. Of course welfare was changed in the 90s under a democrat and is no longer the expense it once was.

Why dont you focus more of your time on studying the people that have the money and power to effect this nation and stop trying to screw over the already screwed.
I actually am one of the people being screwed if my tax dollars go to pay for somebody else to use illegal drugs when the intent of welfare is to provide them with the means to live.

[Zebulon0351]

Sounds good to me. I would also demand that if they do not have a high school diploma that they be forced to get it and make classes available.

OR we could put money into their schools they dropped out of in the first place.

[Pat]

OR we could put money into their schools they dropped out of in the first place.
How would that change things if they dropped out by choice?
Care to address the point of the OP?

[foxbaron]

How about the welfare reciepient being required to attend a trade school if a regular high school doesn't work for them. Not everyone can cut the academics but many can learn a trade that can support them.

I know several guys who never made it through high school but they are top notch mechanics and HVAC technicians.

There are hundeds of jobs they could do that they are interested in but they don't get a chance because they don't have that diploma to get them in the door for an interview.

[Pat]

How about the welfare reciepient being required to attend a trade school if a regular high school doesn't work for them. Not everyone can cut the academics but many can learn a trade that can support them.

I know several guys who never made it through high school but they are top notch mechanics and HVAC technicians.

There are hundeds of jobs they could do that they are interested in but they don't get a chance because they don't have that diploma to get them in the door for an interview.
Or they could pick tomatoes and strawberries.
Why should illegal immigrants get jobs when we have people getting paid to sit on their ass?

[foxbaron]

Or they could pick tomatoes and strawberries.
Why should illegal immigrants get jobs when we have people getting paid to sit on their ass?


There is nothing wrong with picking tomatoes and strawberries. It is honest work and there is no reason we can't employ them in those occupations. That is a good idea.

It would be up to them to learn a skill or get a better education so they could get a better paying job and I have no problem with helping them get the training or education if they are serious about improving their lot in life.

At the very least the cities and towns and counties and states can utilize them to pick up litter and clean up neighborhoods if they want to get a check.

We could bring back grass to the ghetto housing areas and I am not speaking about the kind you smoke.

[Pat]

There is nothing wrong with picking tomatoes and strawberries. It is honest work and there is no reason we can't employ them in those occupations. That is a good idea.

It would be up to them to learn a skill or get a better education so they could get a better paying job and I have no problem with helping them get the training or education if they are serious about improving their lot in life.

At the very least the cities and towns and counties and states can utilize them to pick up litter and clean up neighborhoods if they want to get a check.

We could bring back grass to the ghetto housing areas and I am not speaking about the kind you smoke.
The kind you smoke is sort of the reason for this thread.

[foxbaron]

The kind you smoke is sort of the reason for this thread.


I don't smoke that crap, never did, never will.

[Pat]

I don't smoke that crap, never did, never will.
I didn't mean you in the personal sense, but more as a generic you.

[Boogie man]

I do not think drug tests should be given.

A drug test costs a decent amount of money and it would be an unnecessary expense.

How about if you are busted with drugs and by drugs I mean things harder then marijuana you loss your welfare. Of course welfare was changed in the 90s under a democrat and is no longer the expense it once was.

Why dont you focus more of your time on studying the people that have the money and power to effect this nation and stop trying to screw over the already screwed.

I agree. Let's throw out all the liberals because they have the money and the power and are abusing it.

[doctordog]

If they aren't willing to pick up trash or some other type of community service to somewhat earn those benefits, let's just cut them out, send them to Mexico and restrict them from coming back. We have been dealing with the flow of Hispanics, let open up trade and get some benefit out of it.

[Bill Cosby]

I think Zeb & Boogie hit the nail on the head- EDUCATION...

You kick her fat ass off for failing a drug test the cost start to increase dramaticlly..........

Taking her kids & putting them into institutions & foster system is harly free & would likely exceed her benefits... + she is not going to sit on the curb & starve... W/out housing etc sounds like she is going to be staying @ the counties expense for about $25,000 a year & that warm jail w/ free healthcare..

I would think drug treatment as the first step.......... If she cannot quite then she is likely going to loose the kids anyway.... To bad..........:(

[Pat]

I think Zeb & Boogie hit the nail on the head- EDUCATION...

You kick her fat ass off for failing a drug test the cost start to increase dramaticlly..........

Taking her kids & putting them into institutions & foster system is harly free & would likely exceed her benefits... + she is not going to sit on the curb & starve... W/out housing etc sounds like she is going to be staying @ the counties expense for about $25,000 a year & that warm jail w/ free healthcare..

I would think drug treatment as the first step.......... If she cannot quite then she is likely going to loose the kids anyway.... To bad..........:(
Sexist much?

[Bill Cosby]

If they aren't willing to pick up trash or some other type of community service to somewhat earn those benefits, let's just cut them out, send them to Mexico and restrict them from coming back. We have been dealing with the flow of Hispanics, let open up trade and get some benefit out of it.

Trade??? So we send our welfare ppl down to Mexico & they send the strong hard working young men & women up here????:lmao2:

[doctordog]

Trade??? So we send our welfare ppl down to Mexico & they send the strong hard working young men & women up here????:lmao2:

Exactly:thumbsup: We could create jobs for truck and bus drivers:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Or they could pick tomatoes and strawberries.
Why should illegal immigrants get jobs when we have people getting paid to sit on their ass?

sSounds great.................


So you bus them out of the city @ their expense to go work out in the country for mini wage in the dirt................:lmao2: :lmao2:

Is that out of the chairman mao hand book or what???

& if they refuse???

[Pat]

sSounds great.................


So you bus them out of the city @ their expense to go work out in the country for mini wage in the dirt................:lmao2: :lmao2:

Is that out of the chairman mao hand book or what???

& if they refuse???
If they refuse to take a drug test, don't give them welfare.
It's that simple.

[doctordog]

sSounds great.................


So you bus them out of the city @ their expense to go work out in the country for mini wage in the dirt................:lmao2: :lmao2:

Is that out of the chairman mao hand book or what???

& if they refuse???

refusal is not an option

[Bill Cosby]

If they refuse to take a drug test, don't give them welfare.
It's that simple.

& then do what w/ the kids??

[Bill Cosby]

refusal is not an option

So mao tactics will work??

[Pat]

& then do what w/ the kids??
Give the kids a better home than the drug addicted one they live in.

[Pat]

So mao tactics will work??
Ask Mr Obama.

[Bill Cosby]

Give the kids a better home than the drug addicted one they live in.

I am not opposed to taking the kids if the mom is incapable but you do understand the cost is going to go way up..........

[doctordog]

So mao tactics will work??

Some of us are trained on how to motivate people:thumbsup:

[Pat]

I am not opposed to taking the kids if the mom is incapable but you do understand the cost is going to go way up..........
Is it costlier than leaving them in a bad home?
What is that price?

Edit to add
Why do you assume it is a mom? Sexist much?

[Bill Cosby]

Some of us are trained on how to motivate people:thumbsup:

I would try motivation first............. Education........

[Bill Cosby]

Is it costlier than leaving them in a bad home?
What is that price?

True, the long term price to those kids & society will be great but that is why I stated, in agreement w/ Zeb & Boogie that education is what is the best way to go......

Putting them in the system is not much better either............

In cases like that there are not many good options unless you can get that parent involved in the process..........

[Boogie man]

OR we could put money into their schools they dropped out of in the first place.

Why would you reward failure? Put money into the schools that are producing. Fire the people who are not producing and hire teachers who will. Get rid of the Teacher's union would be a good first step.

[doctordog]

Why would you reward failure? Put money into the schools that are producing. Fire the people who are not producing and hire teachers who will. Get rid of the Teacher's union would be a good first step.

Teachers do the best they can to teach kids shitty parents send to them.

[Bill Cosby]

Teachers do the best they can to teach kids shitty parents send to them.

I know many & they are all hard working & dedicated..........

I agree the biggest obstacle is the parents..........

I also despise all the supervisors & overhead & duplication from district to district....... There is like 50,000 of them.......... These fools are pulling down six figures & laying off the teachers doing the work..........

I live in a fairly good area & that is what they are doing........

For that supervisors salary you could keep six teachers.........:mad:

[mwillman]

Teachers do the best they can to teach kids shitty parents send to them.

Many teachers do the best they can but for some their best is not good enough.

I agree though that many parents don't do a good job either.

[Bill Cosby]

Many teachers do the best they can but for some their best is not good enough.

I agree though that many parents don't do a good job either.

Sure there are some........... There will always me some........

But in my experience I have never meet one.........

Like any job or profession ppl are gonna get burnt out have personal issues, whatever....... That is life....

But I think most of them are very dedicated.......... Hell more than I would be... They go in about a week before school start (for free) getting their room ready........... For FREE.........

They don't get big bucks but do have some good perks..........

When the day is done they go home & read papers & grade them........ Many, many nights- Makes a long day............... They get props from me:thumbsup:

Often times, as Dog mentioned it is the parents......... If they are not on board for whatever reason it makes the teachers job 5 times harder.......

Our educational system is a fucking mess....... & that is not the fault of the teacher............

How is this for an idea............. We round up all the local political representatives & we take them "smart ppl" (you know the ones w/ the silver spoon sticking out their over privileged private school asses) & we give a little tour...... Like the south Bronx or east LA some rural school up in the Appalachian mountains somewhere & ask um what they think.......

You know the answer "who those po' children:melodramatic: "....... & then the promises.....:hero:

Then tell them "why I certainly hope so cause your grandchild will be going to school here next year as part of your new & improved contract w/ America".........

I think Dick & Newt would like that........... Or see the humor :lmao2:

You think there would be a reallocation from bombs to books???? LMAO

[Zebulon0351]

Give the kids a better home than the drug addicted one they live in.

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. I worked for Alabama Department of Youth Services for a few years and worked very closely with kids from both DYS and DHR. I met many kids who were taken away from their parents for that very reason. (But I wouldn't expect you to know anything about the kids from the ghetto who are placed in the bureaucratic depths of DHR.. so I forgive you)

It is not as easy as calling the next couple on the list to take the next available kid. Most of these kids are in the system up until their 18th birthday, and they then move to a halfway house. Then they are shit out into society with no money, no skills, and a drug addiction.

[Bill Cosby]

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. I worked for Alabama Department of Youth Services for a few years and worked very closely with kids from both DYS and DHR. I met many kids who were taken away from their parents for that very reason. (But I wouldn't expect you to know anything about the kids from the ghetto who are placed in the bureaucratic depths of DHR.. so I forgive you)

It is not as easy as calling the next couple on the list to take the next available kid. Most of these kids are in the system up until their 18th birthday, and they then move to a halfway house. Then they are shit out into society with no money, no skills, and a drug addiction.

Yep it is pretty sad............. Not many good alternatives for kids whose only crime is being born to a parent like that............:banghead: :mad:

[Brian-W]

I am not opposed to taking the kids if the mom is incapable but you do understand the cost is going to go way up..........

These fuckers make me sick.

All they want to do is make someone more miserable than they are.

A single mom doesn't want to go to Mexico to pick strawberries, so let's take her kids away from her!

Jesus H Christ!

[Bill Cosby]

These fuckers make me sick.

All they want to do is make someone more miserable than they are.

A single mom doesn't want to go to Mexico to pick strawberries, so let's take her kids away from her!

Jesus H Christ!

You notice a slight(cough, cough) bent towards the stern punishment end of the spectrum.......???

Is this the compassionate conservativism, that term we no longer hear much of...:lmao2:

[mwillman]

I say we pass a law that says all politicians children must go to the worst school in the area that they represent. I bet you would see major improvements in those schools.

[doctordog]

These fuckers make me sick.

All they want to do is make someone more miserable than they are.

A single mom doesn't want to go to Mexico to pick strawberries, so let's take her kids away from her!

Jesus H Christ!

If she had only planned better this wouldn't even be discussed.

[Zebulon0351]

If she had only planned better this wouldn't even be discussed.

If you keep bitching about the parents then the very kids we are trying to help will become the parents you keep bitching about.

[JJGlanton]

If you keep bitching about the parents then the very kids we are trying to help will become the parents you keep bitching about.
nothin quite like the liberal's ever-present denial of personal responsibility to kick off a monday morning...

[Bill Cosby]

I say we pass a law that says all politicians children must go to the worst school in the area that they represent. I bet you would see major improvements in those schools.

yep.........................:thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

I say we pass a law that says all politicians children must go to the worst school in the area that they represent. I bet you would see major improvements in those schools.
Not a bad idea Willy. :thumbsup:

[Zebulon0351]

nothin quite like the liberal's ever-present denial of personal responsibility to kick off a monday morning...

What is your solution then limpdick? Keep bitching about it and hope it goes away?

Way to represent the party of:
Morality

and

Traditional values

[doctordog]

nothin quite like the liberal's ever-present denial of personal responsibility to kick off a monday morning...

They are a product of the parents from the late 60's and 70's movements, those fuckers didn't want to be responsible or work either.

[Zebulon0351]

They are a product of the parents from the late 60's and 70's movements, those fuckers didn't want to be responsible or work either.

Every time you pull such an all-encompassing statement out of your ass you lose more and more credibility. How fucking stupid can you be?

[JJGlanton]

What is your solution then limpdick? Keep bitching about it and hope it goes away?

Way to represent the party of:
Morality

and

Traditional values

There is no solution to the irresponsibility of others, you leftist drama queen. But you don't bitch about others pointing out that you appear to place the blame for one's personal situation on everybody but the individual. You would actually support a family whose parents use drugs and live off welfare. And you believe anyone that opposes supporting such an unending cycle is somehow responsible for the children those pot-smokin parents raised. Fuckin moron.

[Zebulon0351]

There is no solution to the irresponsibility of others, you leftist drama queen. But you don't bitch about others pointing out that you appear to place the blame for one's personal situation on everybody but the individual. You would actually support a family whose parents use drugs and live off welfare. And you believe anyone that opposes supporting such an unending cycle is somehow responsible for the children those pot-smokin parents raised. Fuckin moron.

"pot smoking parents"

And who is the fucking moron?

:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

There is no solution to the irresponsibility of others, you leftist drama queen. But you don't bitch about others pointing out that you appear to place the blame for one's personal situation on everybody but the individual. You would actually support a family whose parents use drugs and live off welfare. And you believe anyone that opposes supporting such an unending cycle is somehow responsible for the children those pot-smokin parents raised. Fuckin moron.

So what if they are "just drunks" is that ok since it is legal??

What if they smoke pot, are good parents but are just out of work & are looking real hard???

I think there are lots of ppl that smoke pot & are still good parents.....

???????????????????????????????????????

[JJGlanton]

So what if they are "just drunks" is that ok since it is legal??

What if they smoke pot, are good parents but are just out of work & are looking real hard???

I think there are lots of ppl that smoke pot & are still good parents.....

???????????????????????????????????????
Of course it is not ok to be a drunk parent on welfare either.

If you are on welfare you have no business using drugs, as doing so is very likely to result in longer unemployment.

This thread is not about parenting and using drugs. It is about being on welfare and using drugs.

[JJGlanton]

"pot smoking parents"

And who is the fucking moron?

:lmao2: :lmao2:

clearly, it is you.:hi:

[Zebulon0351]

clearly, it is you.:hi:

If you say so.. I'll just kick back and load my bowl before my son gets home from school.

[JJGlanton]

If you say so.. I'll just kick back and load my bowl before my son gets home from school.
knock yourself out, hippie. And when your son starts loadin bowls, be sure to support him. If he gets busted for smokin pot, I am quite certain you will look outside of yourself to assign blame for his behaviors.

[Zebulon0351]

knock yourself out, hippie. And when your son starts loadin bowls, be sure to support him. If he gets busted for smokin pot, I am quite certain you will look outside of yourself to assign blame for his behaviors.

Fuck yeah I will. i know he will probably do i anyway, so when he gets old enough and if he is interested he can do it in my presence. in my house. under my supervision.
You know what? I just may teach him how to put a condom on too. I bet your son knocks a girl up before mine does.

[Bill Cosby]

Of course it is not ok to be a drunk parent on welfare either.

If you are on welfare you have no business using drugs, as doing so is very likely to result in longer unemployment.

This thread is not about parenting and using drugs. It is about being on welfare and using drugs.

It is not ok but it is legal...........

Picking strawberries in Mexico or putting the kids in institutions or the parent on the street is not fixing anything...............

As was pointed out earlier in the thread-Education is the best & perhaps most logical alternative & w/ the greatest chance of long term success for the family & society.............:thumbsup:

[JJGlanton]

Fuck yeah I will. i know he will probably do i anyway, so when he gets old enough and if he is interested he can do it in my presence. in my house. under my supervision.

nice. a drug-dealin dad.

You know what? I just may teach him how to put a condom on too. I bet your son knocks a girl up before mine does.

Will you watch your kids sexual exploits with the same interest you intend to watch his illegal activities? At least you are honest when you admit that you will not blame yourself and the example you set if your kid gets busted for possession.

[JJGlanton]

It is not ok but it is legal...........

Picking strawberries in Mexico or putting the kids in institutions or the parent on the street is not fixing anything...............

As was pointed out earlier in the thread-Education is the best & perhaps most logical alternative & w/ the greatest chance of long term success for the family & society.............:thumbsup:
it seems pretty reasonable to not reward behaviors that are likely to continue dependence on welfare.

[MintJulep]

it seems pretty reasonable to not reward behaviors that are likely to continue dependence on welfare.No, because it means lost votes for dems. Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em dependent, keep gettin' their vote.

[Bill Cosby]

it seems pretty reasonable to not reward behaviors that are likely to continue dependence on welfare.

Yes it does, so are you avoiding the educational aspect here........ ??

[JJGlanton]

Yes it does, so are you avoiding the educational aspect here........ ??
not at all- but I do not think taxpayer money should be flowing to people that can't put the pipe down long enough to become stable.

It is a whole lot harder to get a job when the person seeking will test positive on a pre-employment screening.

[JJGlanton]

Should someone like Zebulon, who not only does drugs himself but is willing to accommodate a minor child's drug use, be given welfare benefits if he hits hard times?

[Bill Cosby]

not at all- but I do not think taxpayer money should be flowing to people that can't put the pipe down long enough to become stable.

It is a whole lot harder to get a job when the person seeking will test positive on a pre-employment screening.

My first concern is the children...........

Secondly in addressing the problem w/ a viable solution... I am not for or advocating drug use- I don't even smoke pot..... I don't want the cure worse then the decease...

I don't think anyone, & certainly not I wish to promote any of that...... I think we agree on that but I wish to focus then on is solutions...........:thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

Yes it does, so are you avoiding the educational aspect here........ ??
I believe that there is an educational aspect here. If our Federal government continues to reward bad behavior, they will get more of it. If examples are made and penalties are enforced (such as cutting of the welfare funds) people will LEARN that there are consequences for their bad behaviors and MOST will seek a different path. It's called the school of hard knocks. If they would have put the crack pipe down in the real school (High school) they might not have to go thru the school of hard knocks.

[Bill Cosby]

Should someone like Zebulon, who not only does drugs himself but is willing to accommodate a minor child's drug use, be given welfare benefits if he hits hard times?

I don't know or think he supports or advocates kids doing drugs............

25% of the male homeless are Vets...............

Many have drug issues, gee I wonder why???:rolleyes:

Shall we give them a drug test to see if they qualify for assistance??

In this regard the testing is not the issue I have but rather what the point of the test is............

Your advocating for a test is to disqualify them..>>> Not help them & thus society.........

I am not going to agree to that..............

& I don't know if you know....... I am sure Zeb does, that there are 100's of thousands of ppl on welfare that are on welfare & they are in methadone programs & all that............

I knew one (she died two years ago) on a program like that for over 15 years & her dad is a multi-millionaire............. She got her cash, stamps & methadone free, compliments of you, Zeb & I.............

The last 10 years or so of that time she was unable to function enough to keep her job as a LVN & when she got arrested for drugs she lost her license... She never was able to get it back........... She heard voices & could not keep a simple job................

Sad but true.................

[JJGlanton]

I don't know or think he supports or advocates kids doing drugs............

25% of the male homeless are Vets...............

Many have drug issues, gee I wonder why???:rolleyes:

Shall we give them a drug test to see if they qualify for assistance??

In this regard the testing is not the issue I have but rather what the point of the test is............

Your advocating for a test is to disqualify them..>>> Not help them & thus society.........

I am not going to agree to that..............

& I don't know if you know....... I am sure Zeb does, that there are 100's of thousands of ppl on welfare that are on welfare & they are in methadone programs & all that............

I knew one (she died two years ago) on a program like that for over 15 years & her dad is a multi-millionaire............. She got her cash, stamps & methadone free, compliments of you, Zeb & I.............

The last 10 years or so of that time she was unable to function enough to keep her job as a LVN & when she got arrested for drugs she lost her license... She never was able to get it back........... She heard voices & could not keep a simple job................

Sad but true.................

Allowing people to collect welfare while doing drugs does not help them at all, unless the "help" is intended to keep them on the welfare rolls. What you appear to want is a system that enables the type of poor-decision making that leads to someone being on welfare to begin with. The "safety-net" of welfare that the left advocates is more a trap than a net.

[kres24GT]

Encourage people on welfare to take drugs, hopefully they OD.

[Bill Cosby]

I believe that there is an educational aspect here. If our Federal government continues to reward bad behavior, they will get more of it. If examples are made and penalties are enforced (such as cutting of the welfare funds) people will LEARN that there are consequences for their bad behaviors and MOST will seek a different path. It's called the school of hard knocks. If they would have put the crack pipe down in the real school (High school) they might not have to go thru the school of hard knocks.

:banghead: :banghead:

Now smart guys like you & JJ would likely pick up real quick on that learning process......... In fact you are likely to smart to let yourself get into that situation........... But then you likely started out a lot better than most of them anyway........ Good parents & good schools & teachers etc might have even helped a tinsy bit.......... Just maybe.........:thumbsup:

Hard knocks................:lmao2:

You think a kid growing up in the 9th ward in New Orleans, east LA or the south Bronx don't know about hard fucking knocks?? Hard knocks is their life......... They don't just go to school there--- They live there...

One thing your argument lacks is correct motivation.......... Fear is a good motivator for you but they aint afraid of that........... You aint scaring anyone w/ threats like that......... You think someone not afraid to go to the penitentiary is going to be afraid of getting "that little money" cut off??

They gonna get it somewhere........... I tell yea they aint gonna sit on the curb & starve to death neither.....

Rather than threatening-punishing etc why not take another path another motivator..........???

?????????????????????????????????????????????

[Bill Cosby]

Encourage people on welfare to take drugs, hopefully they OD.

Good to cya back............. & in that holiday spirit..........:lmao2: :lmao2:

[GetAClue]

:banghead: :banghead:

Now smart guys like you & JJ would likely pick up real quick on that learning process......... In fact you are likely to smart to let yourself get into that situation........... But then you likely started out a lot better than most of them anyway........ Good parents & good schools & teachers etc might have even helped a tinsy bit.......... Just maybe.........:thumbsup:

Hard knocks................:lmao2:

You think a kid growing up in the 9th ward in New Orleans, east LA or the south Bronx don't know about hard fucking knocks?? Hard knocks is their life......... They don't just go to school there--- They live there...

One thing your argument lacks is correct motivation.......... Fear is a good motivator for you but they aint afraid of that........... You aint scaring anyone w/ threats like that......... You think someone not afraid to go to the penitentiary is going to be afraid of getting "that little money" cut off??

They gonna get it somewhere........... I tell yea they aint gonna sit on the curb & starve to death neither.....

Rather than threatening-punishing etc why not take another path another motivator..........???

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I did have a good parent, my mother. My parents divorced with I was about 4 or 5 years old and my dad pretty much did the bare minimum in support of my sister and I. My mother did her best (without government assistance) and we grew up pretty poor. I remember wanting something from the store once and my mother telling me that she had 1 dollar that had to last the rest of the week. I know hard knocks.

However, I have never used that as an excuse to make my situation worse. I worked to make sure that when I had children, I could provide for them like my mother wished she had done. I learned that I cannot depend upon anyone but myself for my well being. Even though we were very poor and living in a very bad neighborhood in Columbus Ohio, my mother taught me right and wrong and to treat others with respect. But I also learned that bad behavior should not be rewarded.

Now I don’t know about the 9th ward in New Orleans or East LA any more than you know about Mifflin or Linden Township in Columbus, but let me assure you that crime, drugs and all sorts of bad things happen there also. It is not just our neighborhood that molds us into who we are, but it is our parents, teachers and others that we interact with as we grow.

The problems that I have seen are not so much a product of the environment but a lack of personal responsibility and guidance by ones parents and close associations. This is brought about by a few key things. The first and most powerful of those is the sense of entitlement. I personally knew of families (broken as they were) that felt that they were entitled to things simply because of their race and or lack of wealth. They felt that it was not their fault that they lived in such miserable conditions and felt that it was up to the government to take money from the rich, greedy companies and give it too them. But the common theme among most of them was they it was always someone elses problem, not theirs and they would find reasons to do nothing about it.

I guess my point is, that people will always find either a reason why they cannot succeed or will find a way to succeed. And the more comfortable we make failure, the far greater chance that we will give those people a reason NOT to succeed.

[JJGlanton]

:banghead: :banghead:

Now smart guys like you & JJ would likely pick up real quick on that learning process......... In fact you are likely to smart to let yourself get into that situation........... But then you likely started out a lot better than most of them anyway........ Good parents & good schools & teachers etc might have even helped a tinsy bit.......... Just maybe.........:thumbsup:

Hard knocks................:lmao2:

You think a kid growing up in the 9th ward in New Orleans, east LA or the south Bronx don't know about hard fucking knocks?? Hard knocks is their life......... They don't just go to school there--- They live there...

One thing your argument lacks is correct motivation.......... Fear is a good motivator for you but they aint afraid of that........... You aint scaring anyone w/ threats like that......... You think someone not afraid to go to the penitentiary is going to be afraid of getting "that little money" cut off??

They gonna get it somewhere........... I tell yea they aint gonna sit on the curb & starve to death neither.....

Rather than threatening-punishing etc why not take another path another motivator..........???

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ahhhh- the "life is a lottery" bit of liberal drivel......

why would you seek to invest so much in education for individuals that cannot be successful in educational pursuits, either because they did not win life's lottery, as you assume I did, or because they are unwilling to really work at it, ie; lay off the dope?

[doctordog]

Fuck yeah I will. i know he will probably do i anyway, so when he gets old enough and if he is interested he can do it in my presence. in my house. under my supervision.
You know what? I just may teach him how to put a condom on too. I bet your son knocks a girl up before mine does.

you mean yours will knock a girl out before ours, gotcha!:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

ahhhh- the "life is a lottery" bit of liberal drivel......

why would you seek to invest so much in education for individuals that cannot be successful in educational pursuits, either because they did not win life's lottery, as you assume I did, or because they are unwilling to really work at it, ie; lay off the dope?

That is an assumption on your part...... A poor one IMHO..........

Funny, or not, how you think offering them starvation or jail will motivate them but offering to help & educate them would be spurned & just a waste of time........... :(

[JJGlanton]

That is an assumption on your part...... A poor one IMHO..........

You are the one echoin the "life is a lottery" bs.

Funny, or not, how you think offering them starvation or jail will motivate them but offering to help & educate them would be spurned & just a waste of time........... :(

yes. trying to educate a welfare recipient that will not stop doing drugs is a waste of time. Which is to say nothing of the financial costs.

Puttin one's life together requires personal resolve. It is not much to ask of a welfare recipient that they not use drugs. Clearly, you feel otherwise.

[Bill Cosby]

I guess my point is, that people will always find either a reason why they cannot succeed or will find a way to succeed. And the more comfortable we make failure, the far greater chance that we will give those people a reason NOT to succeed.

So is it OK to help them find a way to succeed???

If the parent fails what about the kids???

[Zebulon0351]

I don't know or think he supports or advocates kids doing drugs............

25% of the male homeless are Vets...............

Many have drug issues, gee I wonder why???:rolleyes:

Shall we give them a drug test to see if they qualify for assistance??

In this regard the testing is not the issue I have but rather what the point of the test is............

Your advocating for a test is to disqualify them..>>> Not help them & thus society.........

Don't kid yourself BC, the right doesn't support the troops unless it comes in the form of a political talking point or a yellow-ribbon bumper sticker.

[MintJulep]

So is it OK to help them find a way to succeed???

If the parent fails what about the kids???You cannot help someone who does not want to succeed and throwing money at drug users is only enabling them.

[Zebulon0351]

You cannot help someone who does not want to succeed and throwing money at drug users is only enabling them.

So lets just lock the bastards up and spend even more money feeding them and keeping them alive. And then lets just place the kids into a placement home who will hardly ever be able to find a proper home for them... even MORE money.

Use your head for once.

[MintJulep]

I did have a good parent, my mother. My parents divorced with I was about 4 or 5 years old and my dad pretty much did the bare minimum in support of my sister and I. My mother did her best (without government assistance) and we grew up pretty poor. I remember wanting something from the store once and my mother telling me that she had 1 dollar that had to last the rest of the week. I know hard knocks.

However, I have never used that as an excuse to make my situation worse. I worked to make sure that when I had children, I could provide for them like my mother wished she had done. I learned that I cannot depend upon anyone but myself for my well being. Even though we were very poor and living in a very bad neighborhood in Columbus Ohio, my mother taught me right and wrong and to treat others with respect. But I also learned that bad behavior should not be rewarded.

Now I don’t know about the 9th ward in New Orleans or East LA any more than you know about Mifflin or Linden Township in Columbus, but let me assure you that crime, drugs and all sorts of bad things happen there also. It is not just our neighborhood that molds us into who we are, but it is our parents, teachers and others that we interact with as we grow.

The problems that I have seen are not so much a product of the environment but a lack of personal responsibility and guidance by ones parents and close associations. This is brought about by a few key things. The first and most powerful of those is the sense of entitlement. I personally knew of families (broken as they were) that felt that they were entitled to things simply because of their race and or lack of wealth. They felt that it was not their fault that they lived in such miserable conditions and felt that it was up to the government to take money from the rich, greedy companies and give it too them. But the common theme among most of them was they it was always someone elses problem, not theirs and they would find reasons to do nothing about it.

I guess my point is, that people will always find either a reason why they cannot succeed or will find a way to succeed. And the more comfortable we make failure, the far greater chance that we will give those people a reason NOT to succeed.Excellent as usual. Your mother taught you well.

[Bill Cosby]

yes. trying to educate a welfare recipient that will not stop doing drugs is a waste of time. Which is to say nothing of the financial costs.

Puttin one's life together requires personal resolve. It is not much to ask of a welfare recipient that they not use drugs. Clearly, you feel otherwise.

Sorry I do not agree it is a waste of time...... I guess you would just put them in jail & toss away the key........... & that would cost more than educating them.....:thumbsup:

It requires resolve & hope & all you offer is threats....... Well you see how well that is working in this country............ Prison is an industry now-- Yea proud of that???

[JJGlanton]

So lets just lock the bastards up and spend even more money feeding them and keeping them alive. And then lets just place the kids into a placement home who will hardly ever be able to find a proper home for them... even MORE money.

Use your head for once.
On welfare issues, the left is very much like the families of drug-users that you see on Intervention- willing to do anything to "help" the addicted- which of course only continues the addiction.

[Bill Cosby]

You cannot help someone who does not want to succeed and throwing money at drug users is only enabling them.

There is the assumptions again...............

What about the ones that do that do not know how???

What about the ones that do but need help??? I guess just keep repeating the punishment if they don't figure it out..........

As hard as it may be for some ppl there are actually some ppl that can be helped....... Actually some ppl that want help & can be successful hard working tax paying citizens............... Sorry but that is not impossible, that is a fact..............

[JJGlanton]

Sorry I do not agree it is a waste of time...... I guess you would just put them in jail & toss away the key........... & that would cost more than educating them.....:thumbsup:

It requires resolve & hope & all you offer is threats....... Well you see how well that is working in this country............ Prison is an industry now-- Yea proud of that???
Nobody gets "thrown in jail and has the key thrown away" for simple drug offenses. You are hysterical.

You do not want people to succeed. If you did- you would allow them to reap the rewards and the consequences of their actions. Instead, you would condone the behaviors that led to the hardship in the first place, which, of course, only reinforces that such behavior has no consequences.

[Zebulon0351]

On welfare issues, the left is very much like the families of drug-users that you see on Intervention- willing to do anything to "help" the addicted- which of course only continues the addiction.

You must not watch the entirety of the episodes then. Many times the "addicted" break those chains and become contributing members of society. How typical of you to ignore that part.

[JJGlanton]

There is the assumptions again...............

What about the ones that do that do not know how???

They should have no issue with following the guidelines set in front of them- such as DO NOT DO DRUGS IF YOU WANT HELP.

What about the ones that do but need help??? I guess just keep repeating the punishment if they don't figure it out..........

What punishment? Not getting a handout is punishment?

As hard as it may be for some ppl there are actually some ppl that can be helped....... Actually some ppl that want help & can be successful hard working tax paying citizens............... Sorry but that is not impossible, that is a fact..............
Yes, that is a fact. Many families of drug-addicted persons understand that their son/daughter is capable, and so they continue to provide shelter and support for them, which prolongs the addiction.

[JJGlanton]

You must not watch the entirety of the episodes then. Many times the "addicted" break those chains and become contributing members of society. How typical of you to ignore that part.
Of course they do. When they are forced to be accountable for themselves- which is what you lefties detest.

[Bill Cosby]

On welfare issues, the left is very much like the families of drug-users that you see on Intervention- willing to do anything to "help" the addicted- which of course only continues the addiction.

That is not called a leftest, that is called an enabler...

Some of us have been there so we know... Unlike some ppl that watch it on tv or read about it in a book....

So I am not going to waste any more time w/ you on this you can think what you like, I could care less... I think no matter what was presented you would find some excuse not to help~cause you just don't wanna.........

Hopefully one day when you are in a similar situation others will treat you w/ more compassion & empathy than you have shown your fellow man.........

:o

[Zebulon0351]

Yes, that is a fact. Many families of drug-addicted persons understand that their son/daughter is capable, and so they continue to provide shelter and support for them, which prolongs the addiction.

Don't forget about the round-trip ticket, free treatment in a $30,000 rehab, and free aftercare all provided by the television network.

[Zebulon0351]

Of course they do. When they are forced to be accountable for themselves- which is what you lefties detest.

Again: after a shit load of expensive stuff is provided to them.

[Bill Cosby]

You must not watch the entirety of the episodes then. Many times the "addicted" break those chains and become contributing members of society. How typical of you to ignore that part.

Hey you just need to stop right there :talktothehand: & just check yourself... he watchs TV so he knows what he is talking about...........:lmao2:

Who you gonna believe what you have seen w/ your own two eyes our what he saw on tv???? Come on it was on tv, what more facts does anyone need.......

I think that is just one more problem w/ us stupid leftest we just don't watch enough tv.....................:lmao2: :lmao2:

[JJGlanton]

That is not called a leftest, that is called an enabler...

The left's position on helping the needy through welfare programs is one of enabling.

Some of us have been there so we know... Unlike some ppl that watch it on tv or read about it in a book....

Oh. do tell.

So I am not going to waste any more time w/ you on this you can think what you like, I could care less... I think no matter what was presented you would find some excuse not to help~cause you just don't wanna.........

The help you seek to render is not help at all in that it contains no mandate for personal accountability.

Hopefully one day when you are in a similar situation others will treat you w/ more compassion & empathy than you have shown your fellow man.........

:o
You know nothing about the compassion with which I treat my fellow man. Unlike you- I actually believe in individuals, which is why I believe individuals should be held accountable for their actions, especially if they need public assistance to get back on their feet.

[JJGlanton]

Hey you just need to stop right there :talktothehand: & just check yourself... he watchs TV so he knows what he is talking about...........:lmao2:

Who you gonna believe what you have seen w/ your own two eyes our what he saw on tv???? Come on it was on tv, what more facts does anyone need.......

I think that is just one more problem w/ us stupid leftest we just don't watch enough tv.....................:lmao2: :lmao2:
The problem is that you live in la-la land, not that you watch too much tv. And the analogy of the enabling families is spot-on. Lefties are like the enabling families that allow their drug-addicted relative to continue to destroy their lives in the guise of "helping them".

And I speak from experience. Like many college students, I chose to party rather than study. And I was held accountable for it by my parents, who refused to pay for me to be babysat. And I came around awfully quickly.

[MintJulep]

That is not called a leftest, that is called an enabler...

Some of us have been there so we know... Unlike some ppl that watch it on tv or read about it in a book....

So I am not going to waste any more time w/ you on this you can think what you like, I could care less... I think no matter what was presented you would find some excuse not to help~cause you just don't wanna.........

Hopefully one day when you are in a similar situation others will treat you w/ more compassion & empathy than you have shown your fellow man.........

:oWhen does it end, Bill? Should the taxpayers continue to finance someone who makes no effort to get off drugs or become self-sustaining?

That is not kindness, that is cruel.

[JJGlanton]

Again: after a shit load of expensive stuff is provided to them.
Not demanding accountability from the get-go is a sure fire way to make sure those expenses are maximized.

[doctordog]

So lets just lock the bastards up and spend even more money feeding them and keeping them alive. And then lets just place the kids into a placement home who will hardly ever be able to find a proper home for them... even MORE money.

Use your head for once.

Better a temporary home than living with a fucking user who wants to someday show them how to use.:banghead:

[JJGlanton]

Better a temporary home than living with a fucking user who wants to someday show them how to use.:banghead:
ouch!!!! but given his desire to do drugs with his kid, i am not surprised at his "welfare with no accountability" approach.

[Bill Cosby]

When does it end, Bill? Should the taxpayers continue to finance someone who makes no effort to get off drugs or become self-sustaining?

That is not kindness, that is cruel.

It should end @ some point...

But first they should be compelled & helped...... Attempts to get them off drugs & educated...........

If they fail in repeated attempts, kids in danger etc society will have little choice but to look our for the welfare of the kids....

Not everyone can be helped but certainly there are some..........

I am not on a crusade here....... I think we can help some & should as to those we can't que sera sera...........

[MintJulep]

It should end @ some point...

But first they should be compelled & helped...... Attempts to get them off drugs & educated...........

If they fail in repeated attempts, kids in danger etc society will have little choice but to look our for the welfare of the kids....

Not everyone can be helped but certainly there are some..........

I am not on a crusade here....... I think we can help some & should as to those we can't que sera sera........... Bill, people have to want to help themselves. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Until someone really wants something for themselves, all the "help" will simply continue on the cycle of dependency.

As wayers pointed out, it would be better for a child to be put in a foster home than be exposed and endangered in a drug-addicted environment with drugged out, irresponsible parents.

[JJGlanton]

Bill, people have to want to help themselves. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Until someone really wants something for themselves, all the "help" will simply continue on the cycle of dependency.

As wayers pointed out, it would be better for a child to be put in a foster home than be exposed and endangered in a drug-addicted environment with drugged out, irresponsible parents.

How many people utilize the food stamp program now? $38,000,000? If you judge a welfare program by the numbers that participate- what a huge success!!!

[Smurf-Herder]

I just want to point out something.

If somebody tests positives for drugs, it doesn't necessarily mean they spent welfare money on it, or even bought the drugs themselves.

Example: Somebody's employed brother stops by the house and smokes a joint with them, up to four weeks before they decide they have to apply for welfare. They'll be denied welfare, because something they didn't buy themselves stays in their system for up to a month.

And if it's Cocaine, it leaves your system within three days. So all they'd have to do is not do any for a few days before a test.

[JJGlanton]

I just want to point out something.

If somebody tests positives for drugs, it doesn't necessarily mean they spent welfare money on it, or even bought the drugs themselves.

Example: Somebody's employed brother stops by the house and smokes a joint with them, up to four weeks before they decide they have to apply for welfare. They'll be denied welfare, because something they didn't buy themselves stays in their system for up to a month.

And if it's Cocaine, it leaves your system within three days. So all they'd have to do is not do any for a few days before a test.
thats not exactly true as it applies to marijuana. A single use of marijuana will not show up on most routine drug screens within just a few days following use.

[Pat]

Bill,
you keep posting over and over about education.

Here is a fact for you about education.
Everybody in the US receives a free 12th grade education if they want it. They either already have their education, or chose not to get it.
Beyond that, they can pay for their education.
I did, my brother did and my sister did. See, we grew up poor, mom and dad couldn't afford to send us to college. We worked our way through college. (My brother did drop out of college 8 credits shy of an aerospace engineering degree because he decided he didn't want to do that, but he still pulls a 6 figure salary)

[Bill Cosby]

thats not exactly true as it applies to marijuana. A single use of marijuana will not show up on most routine drug screens within just a few days following use.

The hair test can hold it for much longer...........

[JJGlanton]

The hair test can hold it for much longer...........
True- but they are extremely expensive. For a simple urine test, one-time marijuana use is highly unlikely to register after just a few days.

[JJGlanton]

Bill,
you keep posting over and over about education.

Here is a fact for you about education.
Everybody in the US receives a free 12th grade education if they want it. They either already have their education, or chose not to get it.
Beyond that, they can pay for their education.
I did, my brother did and my sister did. See, we grew up poor, mom and dad couldn't afford to send us to college. We worked our way through college. (My brother did drop out of college 8 credits shy of an aerospace engineering degree because he decided he didn't want to do that, but he still pulls a 6 figure salary)
Pat- such points are utterly lost on the left. They are all about giving unlimited chances to perennial fuck-ups. And they view anybody that demands personal accountability from individuals as heartless.

[Smurf-Herder]

thats not exactly true as it applies to marijuana. A single use of marijuana will not show up on most routine drug screens within just a few days following use.

That was an example.

What if somebody else gets them high regulary?

The point is, having something in your system doesn't mean you're always buying it with welfare money.

Some states want to deny unemployment benefits if you test positive. Aren't you entitled to unemployment benefits, since it's based on money you made working?

[Bill Cosby]

That was an example.

What if somebody else gets them high regulary?

The point is, having something in your system doesn't mean you're always buying it with welfare money.

Some states want to deny unemployment benefits if you test positive. Aren't you entitled to unemployment benefits, since it's based on money you made working?

What states are those.. First I heard of that.........

That is pretty cold....

[Brian-W]

If she had only planned better this wouldn't even be discussed.

And? So is that why you want to destroy a childs life? :banghead:

[doctordog]

And? So is that why you want to destroy a childs life? :banghead:

Who is to say he wouldn't be better off?:talktothehand:

[foxbaron]

I say we pass a law that says all politicians children must go to the worst school in the area that they represent. I bet you would see major improvements in those schools.


That's the most brilliant statement you have ever made.

[The_Limit]

I had to laugh at the ignorance of some posters in this thread.

Especially since I have intimate knowledge of this very issue as my church group has dedicated a vast amount of time to the poor.

First and foremost, by far a MAJORITY of people on social assistance suffer from a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, have a TBI (traumatic brain injury), or have been physically disabled their entire lives.

But in a vain effort to "save money," some of you have come up with the idea of "testing them for drugs."

Never mind people who suffer from a mental illness, TBI or a physical disability find themselves on a serious regimen of drugs that are far more powerful than a street drug like Marijuana.

Never mind most people on social assistance cannot and should not be working.

Never mind that.

Damn the facts. Damn the reality.

The mob has a witch to burn, and it's voracious appetite for the less fortunate needs to be fed.

[Brian-W]

The mob has a witch to burn, and it's voracious appetite for the less fortunate needs to be fed.

That pretty much sums it up right there. :thumbsup:

[Brian-W]

Who is to say he wouldn't be better off?:talktothehand:

Who are you to make that decision?

[Zebulon0351]

Better a temporary home than living with a fucking user who wants to someday show them how to use.:banghead:

:lmao2: :lmao2: Its marijuana.. I'm not showing my kid how to shoot heroin. Dumb fucks like you can't see the difference in the two.
Show me how marijuana negatively impacts someone's life and I will stop smoking today.

[Brian-W]

:lmao2: :lmao2: Its marijuana.. I'm not showing my kid how to shoot heroin. Dumb fucks like you can't see the difference in the two.
Show me how marijuana negatively impacts someone's life and I will stop smoking today.

other than the threat of Jail, weed is no worse than any of the other countless vices we indulge. The midnight munchies can't be good for you either. :D

I will concede that smoking it cannot be good for you in the long run. But dangerous? That sounds like something Sarah Palin would say.

Didn't Obama's new drug Czar say saomething about pot being dangerous?

[Zebulon0351]

other than the threat of Jail, weed is no worse than any of the other countless vices we indulge. The midnight munchies can't be good for you either. :D

I will concede that smoking it cannot be good for you in the long run. But dangerous? That sounds like something Sarah Palin would say.

Didn't Obama's new drug Czar say saomething about pot being dangerous?

midnight munchies.. my favorite.

[Brian-W]

midnight munchies.. my favorite.

Yeah, mine too. But it's becoming my least favorite. I'm a little too old to be pigging out at 11pm. So, I'm trying to overcome my munchies by exercising instead of eating.

What part of the US are you in Zeb?

[Zebulon0351]

Yeah, mine too. But it's becoming my least favorite. I'm a little too old to be pigging out at 11pm. So, I'm trying to overcome my munchies by exercising instead of eating.

What part of the US are you in Zeb?

Alabama.. yourself?

[Brian-W]

Alabama.. yourself?

West Tennessee representin' :D

[JJGlanton]

I had to laugh at the ignorance of some posters in this thread.

Especially since I have intimate knowledge of this very issue as my church group has dedicated a vast amount of time to the poor.

First and foremost, by far a MAJORITY of people on social assistance suffer from a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, have a TBI (traumatic brain injury), or have been physically disabled their entire lives.

But in a vain effort to "save money," some of you have come up with the idea of "testing them for drugs."

Never mind people who suffer from a mental illness, TBI or a physical disability find themselves on a serious regimen of drugs that are far more powerful than a street drug like Marijuana.

Never mind most people on social assistance cannot and should not be working.

Never mind that.

Damn the facts. Damn the reality.

The mob has a witch to burn, and it's voracious appetite for the less fortunate needs to be fed.
Care to back up your assertion that "by far a MAJORITY of people on social assistance suffer from a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, have a TBI (traumatic brain injury), or have been physically disabled their entire lives." with something other than anecdotal evidence? And what does that have to do with the issues inherent in trying to get off of social assistance while using drugs?

[JJGlanton]

:lmao2: :lmao2: Its marijuana.. I'm not showing my kid how to shoot heroin. Dumb fucks like you can't see the difference in the two.
Show me how marijuana negatively impacts someone's life and I will stop smoking today.


It is still illegal. There are thousands of citizens with criminal records due to their participation in the use, transportation, and sale of marijuana. That would seem to be a negative effect- but to someone that is chompin at the bit to light one up with his kid- such a point is probably lost on you.

[Zebulon0351]

It is still illegal. There are thousands of citizens with criminal records due to their participation in the use, transportation, and sale of marijuana. That would seem to be a negative effect- but to someone that is chompin at the bit to light one up with his kid- such a point is probably lost on you.

I have never smoked in front of my son and do not plan on it for a very long time. I'm not waiting for him to hit a magical age to give him a dime bag. However, I do recognize that simply telling my son "Don't use drugs" does not work. Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" campaign obviously had no positive effects.. What does have positive effects is showing your kids the realities of this world before they are shit out into it.

I won't ever force anything on my son. But if he is getting close to the experimentation stage I would rather him do his experimenting in my house under my supervision.. rather than hanging out with your son whose daddy believes is a fucking angle.

If you tell your kids to not smoke pot they will want to do it more. If you tell your kids to not drink until they turn 21.. they will want to drink more.

Alternatively, you could teach your kids about making responsible and mature decisions.

I'd rather my kid be tokin' the bowl in a safe and controlled environment than hitting the streets because of some skewed definition of morality prevents him from being open about his natural curiosities.

[GetAClue]

I have never smoked in front of my son and do not plan on it for a very long time. I'm not waiting for him to hit a magical age to give him a dime bag. However, I do recognize that simply telling my son "Don't use drugs" does not work. Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" campaign obviously had no positive effects.. What does have positive effects is showing your kids the realities of this world before they are shit out into it.

I won't ever force anything on my son. But if he is getting close to the experimentation stage I would rather him do his experimenting in my house under my supervision.. rather than hanging out with your son whose daddy believes is a fucking angle.

If you tell your kids to not smoke pot they will want to do it more. If you tell your kids to not drink until they turn 21.. they will want to drink more.

Alternatively, you could teach your kids about making responsible and mature decisions.

I'd rather my kid be tokin' the bowl in a safe and controlled environment than hitting the streets because of some skewed definition of morality prevents him from being open about his natural curiosities.
Just keep your bowl tokin' kid away from mine. My kids are too emersed into sports and their education to waste their bodies and minds on that stuff like the other brainless morons.

[JJGlanton]

I have never smoked in front of my son and do not plan on it for a very long time. I'm not waiting for him to hit a magical age to give him a dime bag. However, I do recognize that simply telling my son "Don't use drugs" does not work. Nancy Reagan's "Just say no" campaign obviously had no positive effects.. What does have positive effects is showing your kids the realities of this world before they are shit out into it.

You have made clear your desire to introduce your kid to the realities of drug use, and the necessarily accompanying criminal activity, in this world. Hell of a role model.

I won't ever force anything on my son. But if he is getting close to the experimentation stage I would rather him do his experimenting in my house under my supervision.. rather than hanging out with your son whose daddy believes is a fucking angle.

So don't force, just accommodate drug use and criminal behavior. Good choice.

If you tell your kids to not smoke pot they will want to do it more. If you tell your kids to not drink until they turn 21.. they will want to drink more.

Some will, some won't. But that is no excuse for providing them with a comfortable environment in which to engage in illegal activity.

Alternatively, you could teach your kids about making responsible and mature decisions.

Yeah- like "Its ok to smoke weed as long as its with your dad". Hell of a lesson to teach.

I'd rather my kid be tokin' the bowl in a safe and controlled environment than hitting the streets because of some skewed definition of morality prevents him from being open about his natural curiosities.
I am sure that our courts and CPS hold similar opinions. Fact is- you intend to encourage criminal activity in your house, with your son. Which, in most if not all courts, would make you an unfit parent, and an accessory.

[JJGlanton]

Just keep your bowl tokin' kid away from mine. My kids are too emersed into sports and their education to waste their bodies and minds on that stuff like the other brainless morons.
My guess is that, if your kids don't light up, their parents probably do not either. Am I correct?

[doctordog]

Who are you to make that decision?

who are you to say it is ok for her to sit on her ass and draw a check?

[doctordog]

I am sure that our courts and CPS hold similar opinions. Fact is- you intend to encourage criminal activity in your house, with your son. Which, in most if not all courts, would make you an unfit parent, and an accessory.

And parents always want to blame educators when they are raised in environments like the one above.:disbelief:

[JJGlanton]

And parents always want to blame educators when they are raised in environments like the one above.:disbelief:

The abandonment of responsiblity even reaches into parenting. Zebulon apparently believes that kids that are taught appropriate boundaries are evn more likely to exceed those boundaries, so no boundaries should be taught. Truly amazing.

[GetAClue]

My guess is that, if your kids don't light up, their parents probably do not either. Am I correct?
Correct! But who are we to set examples. After all, they have their own lives to live and shouldn't be beholding to the morals and values of their mother and I. At least that would be the liberal argument. :thumbsup:

[GetAClue]

The abandonment of responsiblity even reaches into parenting. Zebulon apparently believes that kids that are taught appropriate boundaries are evn more likely to exceed those boundaries, so no boundaries should be taught. Truly amazing.
It is the liberal/progressive way. And there are those that wonder why our country is so screwed up. :banghead:

[MintJulep]

The abandonment of responsiblity even reaches into parenting. Zebulon apparently believes that kids that are taught appropriate boundaries are evn more likely to exceed those boundaries, so no boundaries should be taught. Truly amazing.The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Zebulon0351]

Just keep your bowl tokin' kid away from mine. My kids are too emersed into sports and their education to waste their bodies and minds on that stuff like the other brainless morons.

Sure they are.

[JJGlanton]

Sure they are.


One can readily ascertain the attitude and understanding of parenting that would lead Zebulon to believe that teaching his kid that drugs and crime are ok. He does not believe that any child actually pays attention to the responsible lessons that some parents teach their kids.

[Zebulon0351]

The abandonment of responsiblity even reaches into parenting. Zebulon apparently believes that kids that are taught appropriate boundaries are evn more likely to exceed those boundaries, so no boundaries should be taught. Truly amazing.

Why should I conform to what society's definition of boundaries is? Again.. it is marijuana.. MARIJUANA. Not Crack... NOT Crystal Meth.... NOT underage drinking... its fucking marijuana. Wake up.

[Zebulon0351]

One can readily ascertain the attitude and understanding of parenting that would lead Zebulon to believe that teaching his kid that drugs and crime are ok. He does not believe that any child actually pays attention to the responsible lessons that some parents teach their kids.

Again.. its marijuana. If ANY of you let your kids have a sip of your wine before they turn 21 then you are just as guilty.

[JJGlanton]

Why should I conform to what society's definition of boundaries is? Again.. it is marijuana.. MARIJUANA. Not Crack... NOT Crystal Meth.... NOT underage drinking... its fucking marijuana. Wake up.

It is I-L-L-E-G-A-L, Zebulon. You may not like that fact- but it is true. Courts give wide deference to parental decisions regarding the proper environment to raise a child. That deference ends when there is drug use in the home, when drug use by the child is encouraged, or when criminal activity is present. Why don't you invite CPS into your home to do a family assessment?

[GetAClue]

Sure they are.
Just because you have not taught your kids right and wrong, don't project your lack of parenting skills on my wife and I. Sorry, but my kids don't have time for drugs, they are too busy being straight A student and State caliber athletes. They see the example others set by their drug use every day, sitting down at the other end of the hall in the office with the other burned out children of liberal parents.

[JJGlanton]

Again.. its marijuana. If ANY of you let your kids have a sip of your wine before they turn 21 then you are just as guilty.


You would have a point if someone were to allow their child to become intoxicated in the home. But even that point is not terribly powerful, as the simple act of possessing wine in the home is not a crime.

[GetAClue]

Why should I conform to what society's definition of boundaries is? Again.. it is marijuana.. MARIJUANA. Not Crack... NOT Crystal Meth.... NOT underage drinking... its fucking marijuana. Wake up.
Why not Crack, or Crystal meth? After all, they're just boundries set up by society? And with the every changing morals that lefties seem to embrace, those should be in the legal classification in no time. Why not get a jump on everyone else? :thumbsup:

[Zebulon0351]

Just because you have not taught your kids right and wrong, don't project your lack of parenting skills on my wife and I. Sorry, but my kids don't have time for drugs, they are too busy being straight A student and State caliber athletes. They see the example others set by their drug use every day, sitting down at the other end of the hall in the office with the other burned out children of liberal parents.

Fuck your wife.. fuck you.. and fuck your skewed sense or morality in which your kids are being raised. Don't be surprised when little Johnny doesn't get nod to his college football team and he turns out to be a crackhead.

[Zebulon0351]

Why not Crack, or Crystal meth? After all, they're just boundries set up by society? And with the every changing morals that lefties seem to embrace, those should be in the legal classification in no time. Why not get a jump on everyone else? :thumbsup:

Crack and crystal meth have a history of killing the users. Not marijuana.

[GetAClue]

Fuck your wife.. fuck you.. and fuck your skewed sense or morality in which your kids are being raised. Don't be surprised when little Johnny doesn't get nod to his college football team and he turns out to be a crackhead.
Now there is an intelligent response. Sorry, but neither my wife nor I would be very interested in a sexual relationship with someone so screwed up as to condone their kids drug use. :hi:

As for my children, they may not get the college sports nod, but their grades are still good enough to get them into college none the less. And when they graduate, maybe one of them will defend your child when he sits before the court on charges of endangeriing the life of his kid just like his daddy taught him too.

[Zebulon0351]

You would have a point if someone were to allow their child to become intoxicated in the home. But even that point is not terribly powerful, as the simple act of possessing wine in the home is not a crime.

But letting your child have a sip of your wine IS a crime. And I bet your wine is a lot easier to access than my marijuana.

[JJGlanton]

Fuck your wife.. fuck you.. and fuck your skewed sense or morality in which your kids are being raised. Don't be surprised when little Johnny doesn't get nod to his college football team and he turns out to be a crackhead.

Unless you promote drug use, and actively engage in it- you raise your kids with a "skewed sense of morality"....priceless!!!!

[Zebulon0351]

Now there is an intelligent response. Sorry, but neither my wife nor I would be very interested in a sexual relationship with someone so screwed up as to condone their kids drug use. :hi:

So little Johnny does not know a difference at all between marijuana and crack-cocaine.. in mommy and daddy's eyes it is the same.. so why not try both?

Little Susie doesn't know anything about birth control either. Because she's going to wait until she's married to have kids right?
:lmao2: :lmao2:

Wake up Peter Pan.

[GetAClue]

So little Johnny does not know a difference at all between marijuana and crack-cocaine.. in mommy and daddy's eyes it is the same.. so why not try both?

Little Susie doesn't know anything about birth control either. Because she's going to wait until she's married to have kids right?
:lmao2: :lmao2:

Wake up Peter Pan.
I'll take my chances. By the way, when your children need a lawyer, let me know. My oldest daughter will be running track in college on scholorship and studying to become a lawyer. Maybe she can help them out once she graduates.

[Zebulon0351]

Unless you promote drug use, and actively engage in it- you raise your kids with a "skewed sense of morality"....priceless!!!!

I don't promote anything. If I know my kid is very close to toking up with kids from school, I would rather him experiment in a controlled environment. Call me a bad father.. but I bet your kid will be sent of to a 28-day facility long before mine will.

[JJGlanton]

But letting your child have a sip of your wine IS a crime. And I bet your wine is a lot easier to access than my marijuana.

It sure is a crime. A crime noone cares about unless the child actually gets intoxicated. What you advocate is neglectful parenting, and if any authority caught wind of your parenting style- be it a school teacher, a cop, or a judge- you would be in for a world of hurt. One that a wine-drinking parent who let his child have a sip of wine would not face.

But hey- no point in actually teaching your children how the world really works.....

[GetAClue]

I don't promote anything. If I know my kid is very close to toking up with kids from school, I would rather him experiment in a controlled environment. Call me a bad father.. but I bet your kid will be sent of to a 28-day facility long before mine will.
Yours will be more likely to be sent to a 5-10 year facility. :lmao2:

[Zebulon0351]

I'll take my chances. By the way, when your children need a lawyer, let me know. My oldest daughter will be running track in college on scholorship and studying to become a lawyer. Maybe she can help them out once she graduates.

I bet you are so fucking proud. Good job. Don't be surprised if she comes out of college as a liberal. College actually educated their students on the realities of the world.. not just how the world can be interpreted through the Bible.

[JJGlanton]

So little Johnny does not know a difference at all between marijuana and crack-cocaine.. in mommy and daddy's eyes it is the same.. so why not try both?

Little Susie doesn't know anything about birth control either. Because she's going to wait until she's married to have kids right?
:lmao2: :lmao2:

Wake up Peter Pan.
Read: supply your kids with a comfortable environment in which to use drugs and have sex.

[JJGlanton]

I don't promote anything. If I know my kid is very close to toking up with kids from school, I would rather him experiment in a controlled environment. Call me a bad father.. but I bet your kid will be sent of to a 28-day facility long before mine will.
yes, you do promote drug use by your children, when you engage in drug use yourself and would provide a permissive environment in which your child could do the same.

I'm not gonna call you a bad parent- but you can bet your ass any court would make that very judgement.

[Zebulon0351]

Read: supply your kids with a comfortable environment in which to use drugs and have sex.

If that's how you take it. Ill do that while you are blinded by your own childrens lives. I bet if little Johnny grows up to be gay you would disown him wouldn't you?

[JJGlanton]

I bet you are so fucking proud. Good job. Don't be surprised if she comes out of college as a liberal. College actually educated their students on the realities of the world.. not just how the world can be interpreted through the Bible.

Why should he be proud of kids that do not use drugs?

[Zebulon0351]

yes, you do promote drug use by your children, when you engage in drug use yourself and would provide a permissive environment in which your child could do the same.

I'm not gonna call you a bad parent- but you can bet your ass any court would make that very judgement.

Fuck the courts. If they want to throw me in jail and toss the key.. that's fine. I will know my kids know how to make mature decisions based on experience.. not just on what mommy and daddy tell them is "right" or "wrong"

Show me kids who are 100% obedient to their parents and I will concede.

[Zebulon0351]

Why should he be proud of kids that do not use drugs?

He SHOULD be proud of his kids. I'd be proud of my kids if they reach that point to. And I fully expect them to.

[JJGlanton]

If that's how you take it. Ill do that while you are blinded by your own childrens lives. I bet if little Johnny grows up to be gay you would disown him wouldn't you?
Its not how I take it- its how you state it.

Funny how you, as the drug-using father who would allow his kid to do the same in your house, now want to cast aspersions on others......

[Zebulon0351]

Yours will be more likely to be sent to a 5-10 year facility. :lmao2:

No.. because they won't be smoking pot behind the school dumpsters because mommy and daddy think they are angles.

[Zebulon0351]

Its not how I take it- its how you state it.

Funny how you, as the drug-using father who would allow his kid to do the same in your house, now want to cast aspersions on others......

I just know what reality is. If you are blind to it, then that's your fault.

[JJGlanton]

Fuck the courts. If they want to throw me in jail and toss the key.. that's fine. I will know my kids know how to make mature decisions based on experience.. not just on what mommy and daddy tell them is "right" or "wrong"

Show me kids who are 100% obedient to their parents and I will concede.
Thats a great attitude. A great lesson for your kids to learn.

And you are right. Your kids will be able to make mature decisions about criminal drug use based on the experience as a criminal drug user that their father encourages, and sets an exaple for.

[GetAClue]

I bet you are so fucking proud. Good job. Don't be surprised if she comes out of college as a liberal. College actually educated their students on the realities of the world.. not just how the world can be interpreted through the Bible.
No, if they eduacate people on the realities of the world, they would produce more conservatives. But unfortunately, most professors never grew up and became adults. They still live in liberal la-la land. I know, I have a 4 year degree in Computer Science.

But the good news is that they are learning right and wrong and personal responsibility at home. And with that knowledge, they are quickly realizing the error in most liberal arguments.

I am sure you have heard about the Converative dad that sent his daughter to college and she came back in the middle of her senior year and tried to convince her dad of how bad it was to be a conservative. Then the dad asked how she was doing in school. She stated that she was going to all her classes and studying hard and getting all A's. Then the dad asked how her roommate was doing. The daughter responded that her roomate sleeps in, rarely goes to class and gets D's. Her dad said then why don't you share your grades with her and split them up. That would bring her up to the high C's and you only down to that, but you would both pass. At that point the daughter said no way, I worked hard for my A's while she did nothing. The dad then responded with, how does it feel to be a conservative now?

See, my kids already understand that. They have missed assignments and received a poor grade in the past. When I explained, that is what happens when you fail to meet your responsibilities, they learned that lesson. My son took a little longer than my daughter, but he eventually learned.

So, no I have no fear that they will come back liberals. They are too smart for that. :hi:

[JJGlanton]

No.. because they won't be smoking pot behind the school dumpsters because mommy and daddy think they are angles.
Ohhhhh- so you intend to teach them that they should smoke pot- just not behind the dumpster..... good idea.

And lay off the dope a little. The word you have misspelled several times now is a-n-g-e-l-s.:lmao2:

[JJGlanton]

I just know what reality is. If you are blind to it, then that's your fault.
And your kids will know too. They will be well-schooled on drug use, and a "fuck the law, I'm gonna do whatever I want regardless of the consequences" attitude.

[GetAClue]

And your kids will know too. They will be well-schooled on drug use, and a "fuck the law, I'm gonna do whatever I want regardless of the consequences" attitude.
It's kind of funny listening to a liberal talk about knowing reality after they get done defending Obama who believes that simply being nice to our enemies will be enough to convince them to quit hating and wanting to kill us. :lmao2:

[Zebulon0351]

It's kind of funny listening to a liberal talk about knowing reality after they get done defending Obama who believes that simply being nice to our enemies will be enough to convince them to quit hating and wanting to kill us. :lmao2:

It worked for Reagan.. but I guess you forgot that didn't you?

:hi:

[GetAClue]

It worked for Reagan.. but I guess you forgot that didn't you?

:hi:
What are you talking about? :confused:

[JJGlanton]

It worked for Reagan.. but I guess you forgot that didn't you?

:hi:
Must be some strong shit youre smokin....

[doctordog]

I just know what reality is. If you are blind to it, then that's your fault.

That is your reality. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and principles knows that is the reality you created to calm your nerves because you are too weak to deal with the real world.

[JJGlanton]

That is your reality. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and principles knows that is the reality you created to calm your nerves because you are too weak to deal with the real world.
Smokin dope is one thing. I have no issue with it. But Zebulon seems to see it as his responsibility to insure that his kid does the same, and intends to provide an environment in which his kid can do so. He advocates an abdication of parental responsibility, assuming that kids will do what kids do regardless of parental involvement. Which is exactly the type of cop out I would expect from a stoner.

[Zebulon0351]

What are you talking about? :confused:

School yourself on Lebanon and come back to me.

[Zebulon0351]

Smokin dope is one thing. I have no issue with it. But Zebulon seems to see it as his responsibility to insure that his kid does the same, and intends to provide an environment in which his kid can do so. He advocates an abdication of parental responsibility, assuming that kids will do what kids do regardless of parental involvement. Which is exactly the type of cop out I would expect from a stoner.

That's where you got me wrong numbnuts. If I hear of my kid EVER smoking away from my supervision or getting a DUI it'll be the last time he sees daylight for months.

I told you a while back when my son gets old enough I will provide a chance for him to explore his curiosities about marijuana and I will be sure it happens in my presence.

I never said I would smoke him out every night

I never said I would make him sell it at school.

I never said I would make him buy my weed for me.

I never said I would allow him to do it with his friends.

I never even said I would let him do it more than that one time.

You fucks just keep assuming the worst after my simple statement. You're acting as if I'm stabbing needles into my arms.

I must refer back to my previous statement. If any of you have EVER let your kids have a sip of your wine.. or get drunk at a family gathering.. you are just as guilty.

My thorn... your plank.

[Boogie man]

That's where you got me wrong numbnuts. If I hear of my kid EVER smoking away from my supervision or getting a DUI it'll be the last time he sees daylight for months.

I told you a while back when my son gets old enough I will provide a chance for him to explore his curiosities about marijuana and I will be sure it happens in my presence.

I never said I would smoke him out every night

I never said I would make him sell it at school.

I never said I would make him buy my weed for me.

I never said I would allow him to do it with his friends.

I never even said I would let him do it more than that one time.

You fucks just keep assuming the worst after my simple statement. You're acting as if I'm stabbing needles into my arms.

I must refer back to my previous statement. If any of you have EVER let your kids have a sip of your wine.. or get drunk at a family gathering.. you are just as guilty.

My thorn... your plank.

You smoke weed with your kid? How old is he?

[Zebulon0351]

You smoke weed with your kid? How old is he?

Did I ever say I smoke with my kid?

See how fast people find what they want to see in any post?

Fucking moron.

[foxbaron]

It worked for Reagan.. but I guess you forgot that didn't you?

:hi:


It worked for Reagan because they knew he would kill them.

[Zebulon0351]

It worked for Reagan because they knew he would kill them.

Again.. school yourself on Lebanon and come back to me. You have no idea how clueless you are.

[Brian-W]

Just because you have not taught your kids right and wrong, don't project your lack of parenting skills on my wife and I. Sorry, but my kids don't have time for drugs, they are too busy being straight A student and State caliber athletes. They see the example others set by their drug use every day, sitting down at the other end of the hall in the office with the other burned out children of liberal parents.

Oh yeah, another perfect conservative family.

Just don't look in the closet. :lmao2:

[GetAClue]

Oh yeah, another perfect conservative family.

Just don't look in the closet. :lmao2:
Look all you want. If you really want to know, I will give you a list of previous transgressions. I have my share of skelatons also, I just choose to not repeat the mistakes of my past and to pass those lessons on to my kids. Seems that liberals seem to believe they had to learn the hard way and their kids should also. Doesn't help however when the only lesson the parent learned was not to get caught.

[Zebulon0351]

Doesn't help however when the only lesson the parent learned was not to get caught.

Did I ever say that?

[GetAClue]

Did I ever say that?
Nope, but you so much as implied it.

[Zebulon0351]

Nope, but you so much as implied it.

But I never said it.. so you are pulling assumptions out of your ass and smearing it all over the thread.

Good job.

[JJGlanton]

That's where you got me wrong numbnuts. If I hear of my kid EVER smoking away from my supervision or getting a DUI it'll be the last time he sees daylight for months.

Translation: criminal activity by my son is perfectly acceptable as long as it is in my presence.

I told you a while back when my son gets old enough I will provide a chance for him to explore his curiosities about marijuana and I will be sure it happens in my presence.

See above.

I never said I would smoke him out every night

I never said you would.

I never said I would make him sell it at school.

See above

I never said I would make him buy my weed for me.

see above

I never said I would allow him to do it with his friends.

see above

I never even said I would let him do it more than that one time.

see above

You fucks just keep assuming the worst after my simple statement. You're acting as if I'm stabbing needles into my arms.

no, I am simply acknowledging your desire to share your drug-using ways with your son.

I must refer back to my previous statement. If any of you have EVER let your kids have a sip of your wine.. or get drunk at a family gathering.. you are just as guilty.

Not really. Again- invite CPS into your home. See what sort of reaction they have to the wine in your house, and the hypothetical sip you allowed your son. And then pull out your stash, and explain how you allow your son to smoke dope. See which intoxicant grabs the social workers attention.

Apparently the distinction between illegal and legal substances is lost on you. As is the difference between a non-intoxicating sip of wine, and an extremely intoxicating hit of grass. But, one could not expect a dope-smokin father that would share his habit with his son to be overly possessed of common sense.

My thorn... your plank.

See above.

[Zebulon0351]

See above.

My thorn...... your plank...

[JJGlanton]

My thorn...... your plank...

I would not expect you to have the capacity to defend the indefensible, and I appreciate your candor. Again- tell it to CPS if you are so secure in the drug-usin ways you would pass to your kid. Such an action would actually help your family deal with your idiotic notions of good parenting.

[Zebulon0351]

I would not expect you to have the capacity to defend the indefensible, and I appreciate your candor. Again- tell it to CPS if you are so secure in the drug-usin ways you would pass to your kid. Such an action would actually help your family deal with your idiotic notions of good parenting.

First of all.. I don't have any kids.

Secondly.. if I did have kids I would not be looking at you for tips on good parenting.

[JJGlanton]

First of all.. I don't have any kids.

Secondly.. if I did have kids I would not be looking at you for tips on good parenting.
It truly is a relief that you do not have kids. I recommend you get a vasectomy immediately. And given your idea of good parenting (providing a comfortable environment for your kid to engage in criminal activity, encouraging drug use, etc) I would not expect you to look to me for parenting tips.

[Zebulon0351]

It truly is a relief that you do not have kids. I recommend you get a vasectomy immediately. And given your idea of good parenting (providing a comfortable environment for your kid to engage in criminal activity, encouraging drug use, etc) I would not expect you to look to me for parenting tips.

I would look up to any white-trash racist redneck for anything.

[JJGlanton]

I would look up to any white-trash racist redneck for anything.

I don't doubt that. Your idea that a parent should encourage drug use seems pretty trashy.

[Zebulon0351]

I don't doubt that. Your idea that a parent should encourage drug use seems pretty trashy.

Show me one time I have stated parents should encourage drug use.

[doctordog]

Show me one time I have stated parents should encourage drug use.

allowing it is encouraging it.:disbelief:

[Zebulon0351]

allowing it is encouraging it.:disbelief:

I disagree. Allowing it is letting the kid do whatever the fuck he/she wants to. Encouraging it is egging the kid on to participate in drug use. I have done neither and never will.

[doctordog]

I disagree. Allowing it is letting the kid do whatever the fuck he/she want to.

that is why we have all those kids of entitlement doing nothing today, thanks for contributing to the problem.:thumbsup:

[Zebulon0351]

that is why we have all those kids of entitlement doing nothing today, thanks for contributing to the problem.:thumbsup:

Like you are doing anything to relieve the problem? Don't kid yourself.

[doctordog]

Like you are doing anything to relieve the problem? Don't kid yourself.

My kid is working and not on drugs and not dependent on me for money.

[Zebulon0351]

My kid is working and not on drugs and not dependent on me for money.

So why do you give a flying fuck about other people's kids?

[JJGlanton]

Show me one time I have stated parents should encourage drug use.
you have stated that YOU would.

[JJGlanton]

I disagree. Allowing it is letting the kid do whatever the fuck he/she wants to. Encouraging it is egging the kid on to participate in drug use. I have done neither and never will.
Then you were lying when you stated that you would let your kid light up as long as it was under your supervision......:lmao2:

[doctordog]

So why do you give a flying fuck about other people's kids?

I give a fuck about the damage they inflict on society as a whole and their future victims.

[Zebulon0351]

you have stated that YOU would.

Sorry.. I haven't.

[Zebulon0351]

Then you were lying when you stated that you would let your kid light up as long as it was under your supervision......:lmao2:

That isn't encouraging drug use.

They will either smoke it with strangers or in a controlled environment.. which would you rather have?

[GetAClue]

That isn't encouraging drug use.

They will either smoke it with strangers or in a controlled environment.. which would you rather have?
I would prefer my kids stay away from the stuff as I have taught them to do. And to this point, they have.

[JJGlanton]

Sorry.. I haven't.
what a liar.

[Zebulon0351]

I would prefer my kids stay away from the stuff as I have taught them to do. And to this point, they have.

Sure they have. Or maybe they are afraid Jesus wouldn't ever forgive them.

[JJGlanton]

That isn't encouraging drug use.

They will either smoke it with strangers or in a controlled environment.. which would you rather have?
sorry- but allowing your kid to smoke dope in front of you is encouraging such behavior. Particularly when a parent engages in the same behavior he is allowing his kid to engage in. Again- never have kids. You will fuck them up.

[JJGlanton]

Sure they have. Or maybe they are afraid Jesus wouldn't ever forgive them.
Your cynicism towards the results of responsible parenting is very telling..... no wonder you would encourage, as opposed to discouraging, criminal behavior and drug use for your kids. You assume such behavior is inevitable, and that a parent's actions have little relevance in a child's life. Such an attitude makes parenting very easy.

[Zebulon0351]

sorry- but allowing your kid to smoke dope in front of you is encouraging such behavior. Particularly when a parent engages in the same behavior he is allowing his kid to engage in. Again- never have kids. You will fuck them up.

You have alread fucked your kids up by raising them in a conservative hate-filled household.

[Zebulon0351]

Your cynicism towards the results of responsible parenting is very telling..... no wonder you would encourage, as opposed to discouraging, criminal behavior and drug use for your kids. You assume such behavior is inevitable, and that a parent's actions have little relevance in a child's life. Such an attitude makes parenting very easy.

You obviously didn't understand my point. How does the inside of your ass taste? Maybe you should get your head out of there.

[JJGlanton]

You have alread fucked your kids up by raising them in a conservative hate-filled household.
:lmao2: :lmao2: and you know that how? Aside from a blatant distaste of liberal ideas- what "hate" have you seen me exhibit? Just because I wouldn't encourage my own kids to smoke dope doesn't mean I am hateful. How old are you?

[JJGlanton]

You obviously didn't understand my point. How does the inside of your ass taste? Maybe you should get your head out of there.
Your point was very easy to understand. What part of "My kid can smoke dope in front of me, his dope-smoking (hypothetical) father" do you think is hard to understand?

[Zebulon0351]

:lmao2: :lmao2: and you know that how? Aside from a blatant distaste of liberal ideas- what "hate" have you seen me exhibit? Just because I wouldn't encourage my own kids to smoke dope doesn't mean I am hateful. How old are you?

Old enough to know the difference between reality and some Utopian vision.

[JJGlanton]

Old enough to know the difference between reality and some Utopian vision.
Yeah- its "utopian" to think parenting matters, and that parents do set an example for their kids. Keep on smokin, dopey.:lmao2:

[Zebulon0351]

Yeah- its "utopian" to think parenting matters, and that parents do set an example for their kids. Keep on smokin, dopey.:lmao2:

:lmao2: :lmao2: Its marijuana numbnuts.. not crack. There IS a difference.

[JJGlanton]

:lmao2: :lmao2: Its marijuana numbnuts.. not crack. There IS a difference.
Of course there is a difference. You would be punished far more harshly for encouraging your kid to smoke crack than you would for encouraging your kid to smoke grass, and the punishments for the crimes that accommodate possession of each substance differ substantially. But the use of either involves a variety of crimes. And encouraging your kid to use either is dealt with very harshly. Because you smoke dope- you assume that its ok for your kid to do the same, and through your act of providing an environment in which your kid could toke up, would encourage that the kid follows in dad's footsteps. Which almost assuredly would happen. But your rationalizations would result in some extreme family intervetion if discovered, and possibly even the removal of the kids in your care. And criminal charges. Your far left view of parenting is, thankfully, not accepted.

[Zebulon0351]

Of course there is a difference. You would be punished far more harshly for encouraging your kid to smoke crack than you would for encouraging your kid to smoke grass, and the punishments for the crimes that accommodate possession of each substance differ substantially. But the use of either involves a variety of crimes. And encouraging your kid to use either is dealt with very harshly. Because you smoke dope- you assume that its ok for your kid to do the same, and through your act of providing an environment in which your kid could toke up, would encourage that the kid follows in dad's footsteps. Which almost assuredly would happen. But your rationalizations would result in some extreme family intervetion if discovered, and possibly even the removal of the kids in your care. And criminal charges. Your far left view of parenting is, thankfully, not accepted.

I am going to copy this post and quote you five years from now when Marijuana penalties can be paralleled with a speeding ticket.

[GetAClue]

I am going to copy this post and quote you five years from now when Marijuana penalties can be paralleled with a speeding ticket.
And somehow that makes it right? What would be next, legalize Crack? You liberals and your ever changing morallity. Do what ever feels good and that is the new moral standard. No wonder this country is so screwed up. :banghead:

[JJGlanton]

I am going to copy this post and quote you five years from now when Marijuana penalties can be paralleled with a speeding ticket.
That will change things..... somewhat. Courts, and responsible citizens, will still frown upon a father that encourages the use of marijuana for his kids.

Which, of course, has nothing to do with today.

[Zebulon0351]

And somehow that makes it right? What would be next, legalize Crack? You liberals and your ever changing morallity. Do what ever feels good and that is the new moral standard. No wonder this country is so screwed up. :banghead:

I would never advocate legalizing crack. Never said I would either.

[GetAClue]

I would never advocate legalizing crack. Never said I would either.
And I never said you would. I am just pointing to the next logical step if the liberals get their way.

[xav8terx]

And I never said you would. I am just pointing to the next logical step if the liberals get their way.


And if conservatives continue to get their way they will be telling you what and when you can do things.

[MintJulep]

And if conservatives continue to get their way they will be telling you what and when you can do things.Oh look. Another stoner has entered the fray. Do your kids do drugs too? :lmao2:

[JJGlanton]

And if conservatives continue to get their way they will be telling you what and when you can do things.
That has nothin to do with bein a conservative, dipshit. Or is it just conservatives that do not believe in armed robbery, kidnapping, trafficking, or any of the thousands of anti-social behaviors that our laws proscribe?:lmao2:

[JJGlanton]

The stupidity of the left is astounding.

[Zebulon0351]

And I never said you would. I am just pointing to the next logical step if the liberals get their way.

Explain how that is the next logical step. Again... weed is not even close to the same level as crack.

Marijuana has never killed anyone. Crack does every day.

[JJGlanton]

Explain how that is the next logical step. Again... weed is not even close to the same level as crack.

Marijuana has never killed anyone. Crack does every day.
Noone has ever died of a marijuana overdose, that is true.

[xav8terx]

Oh look. Another stoner has entered the fray. Do your kids do drugs too? :lmao2:



You're a fuckin smoker...and you judge. Go fuck yourself. Do not under any circumstances bring my son into another post. You fucks on the right are so weak on this subject that is all you have.


And your beloved founding father that you like to misrepresent so many fuckin times...knew how important that plant is. Go get a fuckin education you worthless insurance hack.

[xav8terx]

The stupidity of the left is astounding.


Life in general for you is astounding, that has been proven time and time again on this and i'm sure every other board you have dropped your shit on.

[JJGlanton]

Life in general for you is astounding, that has been proven time and time again on this and i'm sure every other board you have dropped your shit on.
:lmao2: :lmao2: keep on smokin- just don't follow Zebulon's parenting style.

[MintJulep]

You're a fuckin smoker...and you judge. Go fuck yourself. Do not under any circumstances bring my son into another post. You fucks on the right are so weak on this subject that is all you have.


And your beloved founding father that you like to misrepresent so many fuckin times...knew how important that plant is. Go get a fuckin education you worthless insurance hack.I'm a smoker -- of cigarettes. As bad a habit as it is, I would never encourage any child to smoke that, let alone pot. I didn't bring anyone into it, I was asking if you'd encourage your kids to smoke, you illiterate, stoner imbecile.

[Bill Cosby]

:lmao2: :lmao2: keep on smokin- just don't follow Zebulon's parenting style.


Keep up......... He does not smoke Minty does..............:hi:

[MintJulep]

Keep up......... He does not smoke Minty does..............:hi:I don't smoke pot. I've smoked it socially in the past but I'm certainly not a pot smoker/drug user.

[Bill Cosby]

I don't smoke pot. I've smoked it socially in the past but I'm certainly not a pot smoker/drug user.

I know you don't............

By the way......... Over @ RV we were talking about Obama & the Pharm corps pulling the plug on buying drugs from countries like Japan, New Zealand etc & I have not heard really anything like that....

As you are in a related industry have you heard any of that???

[xav8terx]

I'm a smoker -- of cigarettes. As bad a habit as it is, I would never encourage any child to smoke that, let alone pot. I didn't bring anyone into it, I was asking if you'd encourage your kids to smoke, you illiterate, stoner imbecile.



Well I hate to be the one to break the unfortunate news to your dumb ass but they are a drug. Do some fuckin research on the subject instead of continuing your ignorant bullshit...cigarettes kill more people...just from you blowing that shit out than marijuana ever has or will. Must be why you love your insurance job so well. Just hope the people you are in bed with wont deny your coverage when emphysema and cancer sets in...

And you don’t want kids smoking marijuana but you want them killing mooslums so what’s the difference?

[xav8terx]

I don't smoke pot. I've smoked it socially in the past but I'm certainly not a pot smoker/drug user.


You smoke cigarettes...nicotine is a fuckin drug moron. Deny it all you want, hide behind the fact that they are legal...but the fact remains the same.

[xav8terx]

:lmao2: :lmao2: keep on smokin- just don't follow Zebulon's parenting style.

I plan on it. But unlike people like you...I know how to be responsible not just expect everyone else to be...look up conservative values if you need any help understanding any of that.

[Brian-W]

You smoke cigarettes...nicotine is a fuckin drug moron. Deny it all you want, hide behind the fact that they are legal...but the fact remains the same.

These guys will rant and rave about weed, but they most likely pop more pills than Elvis Presley.

[MintJulep]

You smoke cigarettes...nicotine is a fuckin drug moron. Deny it all you want, hide behind the fact that they are legal...but the fact remains the same.No shit! It's just not a drug that impairs judgment or will make me wrap a car around a tree. Note the difference.

[Brian-W]

No shit! It's just not a drug that impairs judgment or will make me wrap a car around a tree. Note the difference.

Not like booze and pills.

[MintJulep]

Not like booze and pills.And pot.......

[xav8terx]

And pot.......


Let’s see some statistics then. Post some of these stories of people who got high...only from weed...and wrapped a car around a tree. I'll wait.

In the meantime, while you smoke, blowing out the toxins you are killing other people...note the difference.

[MintJulep]

Let’s see some statistics then. Post some of these stories of people who got high...only from weed...and wrapped a car around a tree. I'll wait.

In the meantime, while you smoke, blowing out the toxins you are killing other people...note the difference.There are no instant tests that can detect if you're stoned. Many of the stoner accidents are reported as simply "accidents". Don't tell me it isn't impairing, I've smoked the shit before. You can get just as fucked up or moreso as being on alcohol.

[xav8terx]

There are no instant tests that can detect if you're stoned. Many of the stoner accidents are reported as simply "accidents". Don't tell me it isn't impairing, I've smoked the shit before. You can get just as fucked up or moreso as being on alcohol.



So then...as usual...you are making wild assumptions...guess it's to be expected from you.

[MintJulep]

So then...as usual...you are making wild assumptions...guess it's to be expected from you.Are you saying that smoking pot is not impairing? Because if that's what you're saying you're full of shit. I've SMOKED the shit. I know damn well it can be just as impairing as alcohol.

[xav8terx]

Are you saying that smoking pot is not impairing? Because if that's what you're saying you're full of shit. I've SMOKED the shit. I know damn well it can be just as impairing as alcohol.



Yeah smoking pot gets you high...um no shit Sherlock. But you continue to try to claim it's as bad as alcohol...simply not true. As bad as the smoke you are blowing around for everyone to die from...simply not true. Get off your high horse. Clean your own house before you talk about others.

[MintJulep]

Yeah smoking pot gets you high...um no shit Sherlock. But you continue to try to claim it's as bad as alcohol...simply not true. As bad as the smoke you are blowing around for everyone to die from...simply not true. Get off your high horse. Clean your own house before you talk about others.It is as bad as alcohol. Being stoned out of your gord impairs your judgment in driving a car. I smoke outside, idiot.

[Bill Cosby]

I saw a commercial last night, I was half asleep but the guy is wanting to have a cigarette & he is trying to jack all these cars till he fins a big step van & then he drives it off so he can smoke & drive.....

You seen it yet???

You know the guVment is out to get "you ppl".... Once they got the war on them terrorist wrapped up I guess you know who is next...........lol

$14 in taxes per pack is just beyond the horizon.... Of course you could always cruz down to Miami for the weekend of bikini fun & take a chance w/ those cigarettes lacking that evil guVment tax stamp @ half the price....

Beware though, they could be from Japan, Canada or New Zealand............ & you know how those ppl are....................:lmao2:

[xav8terx]

It is as bad as alcohol. Being stoned out of your gord impairs your judgment in driving a car. I smoke outside, idiot.


And i smoke pot on my balcony moron. I dont know many people who want to even think about getting into a car after blazin!!

[Brian-W]

There are no instant tests that can detect if you're stoned. Many of the stoner accidents are reported as simply "accidents". Don't tell me it isn't impairing, I've smoked the shit before. You can get just as fucked up or moreso as being on alcohol.

Bullshit.

I've never seen anyone completely incapacitated after smoking weed.

[MintJulep]

Bullshit.

I've never seen anyone completely incapacitated after smoking weed.You don't have to be "completely incapacitated" to wreck a car or get killed. Being mentally impaired is all it takes.

[Bill Cosby]

Smoking & driving is not recommended by BC or management here @ DCJ...

This is a problem for captain crunch (not the berry kind) , or Sarah Lee...

After abundant enjoyment, & a nice nap we do recommend you get your ass to work before you get fired.....

The GuVment can't give away money you didn't earn..............:mad: