Yikes- Queers have lied to us!

[Southern Man]

We've been told for years that homosexuals (queers) are 10% of the population. Its only 1%. Why did they lie?

[Bill]

I blame Kinsey.

And all them dammed scientists. Curse them and all their homo-lovin ways.

[Southern Man]

Kinsey's 10% was based on science?

[Bill]

Depends on wether you consider the methodology of social science to be real science.

And wether you consider statistical arguments to be valid arguments.

And the most important consideration in all soft sciences- who's paying for the statistical analysis?

[Southern Man]

why not just ask Kinsey in this case, as he freely admitted that his 10% was just a guess. The 1% figure, however, was based on a hugh body of statistical evidence (the 2000 US Census). So there is no valid comparison of the realtive science.

[Bill]

I'm sure all the faggots were just lining up to confess their sexual orientation to the government.

I know I personally love to tell the government all the intimate details of my life.

If you can't trust the government, who can you trust?

[Southern Man]

I'm sure all the faggots were just lining up to confess their sexual orientation to the government.

I know I personally love to tell the government all the intimate details of my life.

If you can't trust the government, who can you trust?

I don't think the queer population appreciates your use of the term "faggot".

Actually the data contains no intimate details. If I tell you that I have a normal realtionship with my wife is that discussing intimacy? Surely you couldn't be that prudish?

[Bill]

I just figure if you want to know how many faggots there are, you'll get a much better idea asking the faggots, than asking the government.

Why do you care about faggots so much?

[Southern Man]

I just figure if you want to know how many faggots there are, you'll get a much better idea asking the faggots, than asking the government.

Why do you care about faggots so much?

There's that word again. I find it offensive and am formally asking you to stop using it.

1. The government asked the queers; got the data. It did not ask itself. Nor did I ask it.
2. I care about the truth. Nice straw man though. ;)

[Bill]

You're using "straw man" incorrectly.

You brought the topic up, I figured you must have something you wanna say about the fruits?

So I asked, "Why do you care about the (queers) so much?".

Except, I said "faggots", to be accurate.

[Southern Man]

You're using "straw man" incorrectly.

You brought the topic up, I figured you must have something you wanna say about the fruits?

So I asked, "Why do you care about the (queers) so much?".

Except, I said "faggots", to be accurate.

Again, I care about the truth, and don't appreciate being lied to, as staed plainly in the OP. You are putting up a straw man in suggesting that this somehow makes me like queers, and want me to argue that.

If you must know I think queers should be treated no differently that any other faction of society. You obviously think they deserve your denigration, as you continue to call them offensive names.

[kres24GT]

We've been told for years that homosexuals (queers) are 10% of the population. Its only 1%. Why did they lie?


Who cares? Are you really bothered by what consenting adults choose to do with their organs? I thought you were preaching freedom in another thread?

[kres24GT]

There's that word again. I find it offensive and am formally asking you to stop using it.

1. The government asked the queers; got the data. It did not ask itself. Nor did I ask it.
2. I care about the truth. Nice straw man though. ;)

If what percentage of the population is gay concerns you so much I might suggest a hobby. Golf can be fun.

[Southern Man]

Who cares? Are you really bothered by what consenting adults choose to do with their organs? .... What portion of my OP suggests that?

[Southern Man]

If what percentage of the population is gay concerns you so much I might suggest a hobby. Golf can be fun. Golf is too slow. I prefer alpine skiing. Oh, and pissing off the PC crowd.

[kres24GT]

Golf is too slow. I prefer alpine skiing. Oh, and pissing off the PC crowd.

I am all for pissing off the PC crowd. PC people are crybabies who are probably better off committing suicide. Just wondering why you are so interested in what percentage of the population is gay, seems rather arbitrary to me.

[Southern Man]

I am all for pissing off the PC crowd. PC people are crybabies who are probably better off committing suicide. Just wondering why you are so interested in what percentage of the population is gay, seems rather arbitrary to me.

Gay have been lying about their numbers for years now in hopes of convincing the public that their behavior is normal, in order to gain political power as well as converts. It would be like me claiming that there are 90% of the population is radically conservative.

[kres24GT]

Gay have been lying about their numbers for years now in hopes of convincing the public that their behavior is normal, in order to gain political power as well as converts. It would be like me claiming that there are 90% of the population is radically conservative.


I'd be more worried about the numbers of fanatical Muslims and Reconquistadors hiding among the masses. I haven't heard much about the gays trying to make America a Gay Nation. It would be pretty stupid of them, for obvious reasons, if they did.

[Southern Man]

I'd be more worried about the numbers of fanatical Muslims and Reconquistadors hiding among the masses. I haven't heard much about the gays trying to make America a Gay Nation. It would be pretty stupid of them, for obvious reasons, if they did. You may want to visit San Fransisco or Massachusetts. I could argue that the Islamist radicals wish to kill us because of our tolerance with abnormal sexual behavior as well as exportation of sexual culture, AKA "Hollywood".

[kres24GT]

You may want to visit San Fransisco or Massachusetts. I could argue that the Islamist radicals wish to kill us because of our tolerance with abnormal sexual behavior as well as exportation of sexual culture, AKA "Hollywood".


Great, so let's worry about them, not gays. I am not going to stop whacking off to appease Muslims. If gays don't want to stop fucking each other in the ass to appease Muslims, good for them.

Your goal is to appease Muslims I take it?

[Bill]

Your goal is to appease Muslims I take it?

Nice one. This is why I like ya so much, Kres.

But not in the faggot way, dude. ;-}

[kres24GT]

Nice one. This is why I like ya so much, Kres.

But not in the faggot way, dude. ;-}

When you liberal nutjobs scare this guy off I can go back to being a right wing apologist.

[kres24GT]

Southern, are you one of these guys who rants about gays but love hot girl on girl action?

[Moby]

I recently read an article about study that showed that 80% of homophobic men showed signs of sexual arousal when forced to watch soft male/male porn. About 5% of non homophobic men showed the same signs.

All men, all women and even goldfish showed signs of sexual arousal when shown hot girl/girl action. :)

OK, the top paragraph I actually read. The 2nd paragraph just makes sense.

[kres24GT]

I recently read an article about study that showed that 80% of homophobic men showed signs of sexual arousal when forced to watch soft male/male porn. About 5% of non homophobic men showed the same signs.

All men, all women and even goldfish showed signs of sexual arousal when shown hot girl/girl action. :)

OK, the top paragraph I actually read. The 2nd paragraph just makes sense.


If you read the bible, God only forbids gay sex among men, never women. All mentions of forbidding lesbian sex are written by men and not credited to have been said by God.


I know many would give me the "word of God" speech, however to me it proves two things.

1. God loves hot girl on girl action.
2. God is indeed a man, ok, maybe a lesbian.

[Kinky Jones]

We've been told for years that homosexuals (queers) are 10% of the population. Its only 1%. Why did they lie?


who has been telling you that for years? could you post a link or somethin'? I have to admit, every time I see one of my gay friends thay are always bragging about how they make up 10% of our country... i'm gonna have to rain on their gay parade now... post some proof of a lie if one took place or stop thinking so much about homosexuals :thumbsup:

[Kinky Jones]

If you read the bible, God only forbids gay sex among men, never women. All mentions of forbidding lesbian sex are written by men and not credited to have been said by God.


I know many would give me the "word of God" speech, however to me it proves two things.

1. God loves hot girl on girl action.
2. God is indeed a man, ok, maybe a lesbian.

i tend to believe that god would like what every man does but religious men can't admit to out loud which is for sure two girls at once and they both swing left and right if you know what I mean :D seriously, a girl to do the dirty work for you, what god wouldn't demand that?

[Bill]

When you liberal nutjobs scare this guy off I can go back to being a right wing apologist.

Well, here's where my plan breaks down - I want to get some neocons talking up their stuff, see if any points can be defined, get some sense of where they think their world view is headed.

Since most of neocons who stop by seem obsessed with being insulting, I figure, hey, maybe that's teh culture, macho, you know.

So I figure, okay, be a little insulting, make 'em feel at home, maybe they'll loosen up. man up, and start talking some actual issue.

But I don't think I'm doin' it right. Could be it was just a flawed freekin plan. ;-}

[Kinky Jones]

But I don't think I'm doin' it right. Could be it was just a flawed freekin plan. ;-}

well I for one am glad you gave it a try... I dunno if it's the high thc content in the atmosphere tonight or what but I am :lmao2:

I tend to think that someone crying because you used the word faggot when they used the word queer in the thread title is just a shit stirrer and you are wasting your time... the hillary hitler avatar is kinda funny though :D

[Southern Man]

Great, so let's worry about them, not gays. I am not going to stop whacking off to appease Muslims. If gays don't want to stop fucking each other in the ass to appease Muslims, good for them.

Your goal is to appease Muslims I take it?

I honestly don't think Muslims are aware of your fondness for masturbation, nor would they care, as long as you used discretion.

One of my goals is to understand why Muslims hate us. Another is as stated: the truth.

[Southern Man]

I recently read an article about study that showed that 80% of homophobic men showed signs of sexual arousal when forced to watch soft male/male porn. About 5% of non homophobic men showed the same signs.

All men, all women and even goldfish showed signs of sexual arousal when shown hot girl/girl action. :)

OK, the top paragraph I actually read. The 2nd paragraph just makes sense.

Perhaps your homophobic friends are fearful of being gay. As for the attractive lesbian action, it is natural for a red blooded man to be aroused by a hot chic washing her car.

[Southern Man]

who has been telling you that for years? could you post a link or somethin'? I have to admit, every time I see one of my gay friends thay are always bragging about how they make up 10% of our country... i'm gonna have to rain on their gay parade now... post some proof of a lie if one took place or stop thinking so much about homosexuals :thumbsup:

A. Until very recently, 10% figure has been accepted lore within media and academic circles

1. Newsweek, 2/15/93, p. 46: "For years, the gay-rights movement has sought safety in numbers. Its leaders have long claimed that homosexuals constitute 10 percent of the American population. They cited Alfred Kinsey, who interviewed thousands of men and women for landmark studies on human sexuality in the 1940s and 1950s. Activists seized on the double digits to strengthen their political message–that millions of citizens are excluded from the mainstream by anti-gay discrimination. Policymakers and the press (including NEWSWEEK) adopted the estimate–despite protests from skeptical conservatives–citing it time and again.

2. Fortune, 1991, p. 42: "Kinsey’s classic 1948 studies suggest that about 10% of American adults are homosexual, a figure that more recent surveys support."

3. Washington Times, 11/19/91, p. A3: "10 percent of American men are homosexual and 5 percent of women are lesbian."

4. Professional journals like the Family Therapy Networker, 1991: "from Kinsey’s historic study in the 1940s to the present, surveys consistently show that 10 percent of the population is either gay or lesbian–that’s 25 million people."

5. Even the head of the American Psychological Association, Bryant Welch, testified on 2/6/89 that the APA had found "in fact all the research supported the conclusion that homosexuality... is a sexual orientation found consistently in about ten percent of the male population and approximately 5 percent of the female population.... research showed that across different historical eras and in totally different cultures the incidence of homosexuality remained the same irrespective of public attitudes and prohibitions."

B. Figure is embodied in names of homosexual groups such as "1 in 10" and the adolescent support project for homosexual adolescents called "Project 10," which started in the L.A. public school system but has now spread to San Francisco and Minnesota also.

C. Proof of the pudding: so many "shocked" by much lower recent numbers reported in Alan Guttmacher-sponsored study of men aged 20-39, which estimated that only 1.1% of men had had only male homosexual partners within the last 10 years.

1. Washington Times, 4/16: "‘If everyone examines their own conscience, they know that more than one in 100 people is gay.... Common sense tells you this survey is nonsense,’ said Gregory King, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign Fund, the nation’s largest homosexual rights group. ‘I feel the 10 percent figure is probably about right’ because many homosexuals fear to admit their sexual orientation, said Cathy Renna, co-chairwoman of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Againse Defamation."

NY Times, 4/16: "Yesterday, gay groups scoffed at the 1 percent figure, saying that even though the researchers promised respondents anonymity, many homosexuals were afraid to disclose their sexual orientation."

2. NY Times editorial from 4/17 called the new survey results a "surprise"

3. Letter to the Washington Blade entitled "Out in America": "Up until now, we have always based our estimates of the size of our community on the Kinsey studies of the late 1940s. Researchers revisiting the question in the 1970s reaffirmed that ‘one in ten’ view. Until now. A sociological study published by the progressive Alan Guttmacher Institute, that interviewed over 3,300 men throughout the country in 1991, found that only 2.3 percent of those interviewed admit to a same sex experience in the last ten years; only 1.1 percent say they have been exclusively Gay. Although most of believe in our heart of hearts that these are gross underestimates, the controversy will continue to be fueled by experts and homophobes from everywhere."

4. NY Times election poll buried: A journalism seminar reviewing 1992 nominated the NY Times for one of the most significant "buried" stories of the year. The Times own presidential election exit polls asked about voters’ sexual orientation and found less than 3% claimed to be gay. Times staffers couldn’t believe the results, being so much lower than the standard 10%, and so they did not report the story.

D. More revealing: gay leaders now admit to abusing the 10% figure for their own gain

1. NY Times 4/16: "Gay leaders have contended that the number of gay and lesbian Americans was around 10 percent, a figure that many of them suspected to be inflated. But they repeated the number often, they said, as a way of encouraging the nation’s large population of closeted homosexuals to be open about their sexual identity."

Newsweek, 2/15: "Some gay activists now concede that they exploited the Kinsey estimate for its tactical value, not its accuracy. ‘We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness,’ says Tom Stoddard, former head of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund." http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_AIM_Talk.html

[kres24GT]

I honestly don't think Muslims are aware of your fondness for masturbation, nor would they care, as long as you used discretion.

One of my goals is to understand why Muslims hate us. Another is as stated: the truth.

Why should I have to hide the fact I love to whack it? I will do no such thing just to appease Muslims. Nor should Adam and Steve have to hide their love of hot greasy butt sex, although I wish they would.

Appeasing Fanatical Muslims is not my cup of tea. They hate us for a lot of reasons, 0 of which I am about to concede to appease them.

[Southern Man]

Interesting about Adam and Eve. Do you have a theory on this or are you just trying to be rude?

Personaly I am not one to appease Muslims, or anyone, for the sake of getting along, but if we do so and get back more civility in our society then I am all for it.

[kres24GT]

Interesting about Adam and Eve. Do you have a theory on this or are you just trying to be rude?

Personaly I am not one to appease Muslims, or anyone, for the sake of getting along, but if we do so and get back more civility in our society then I am all for it.


Fuck that. I am not willing to change one aspect of my life to appease Muslims, nor would I expect anyone else to.

Have you ever been to the Middle East, they may claim to hate gays, but men over there are very chummy.

[Southern Man]

No I've never been over there and would only go if my life completely when to pot, so I joined Blackwater, or some other group to assist in my 401K remediation plan. Hopefully my role would allow me to aid in the death of as many terrorists as possible.

But back to the main discussion, the percent queer is much less than we have been told and I believe that this has been known for a long time and the lie is still being perpetuated in some circles.

[Kinky Jones]

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_AIM_Talk.html

:lmao2:

quit living in the past it is 2007 not 1993 and all that link proves is that the news media can be wrong, not that the queers have been lying about anything

you are really that narrow minded that you can read an article with 65+ years of cherry picked instances of news outlets being wrong and start labeling all gays as lying queers?

[kres24GT]

No I've never been over there and would only go if my life completely when to pot, so I joined Blackwater, or some other group to assist in my 401K remediation plan. Hopefully my role would allow me to aid in the death of as many terrorists as possible.

But back to the main discussion, the percent queer is much less than we have been told and I believe that this has been known for a long time and the lie is still being perpetuated in some circles.


Ok, so it's much less. Now what?

[Kinky Jones]

Ok, so it's much less. Now what?

now we get to fight about it over the internet :yay:


so just what are your plans for the 1% of gays we are all stuck with? treat them as equals as long as they know that you are now on to their lying ways?

[Southern Man]

:lmao2:

quit living in the past it is 2007 not 1993 and all that link proves is that the news media can be wrong, not that the queers have been lying about anything

you are really that narrow minded that you can read an article with 65+ years of cherry picked instances of news outlets being wrong and start labeling all gays as lying queers?

The article quotes Newsweek, Fortune, the Washington Times, the Family Therapy Networker, and the head of the American Psychological Association. Aside from that the 10% figure was widely quoted for decades and assumed to be correct by nearly everyone.

[Southern Man]

Ok, so it's much less. Now what? As long as they are not still misinforming people about their numbers, then nothing, really. I support treating their lifestyle choice like any similar lifestyle choice, without any special privledges from the government.

[kres24GT]

As long as they are not still misinforming people about their numbers, then nothing, really. I support treating their lifestyle choice like any similar lifestyle choice, without any special privledges from the government.


Government should have no place in labeling relationships in my opinion. I really don't give a shit how many gays are "hiding" amongst the masses. As I said I would be far more concerned with how many Islamic Extremist and Reconquistadors are among us.

[Southern Man]

Government should have no place in labeling relationships in my opinion. I really don't give a shit how many gays are "hiding" amongst the masses. As I said I would be far more concerned with how many Islamic Extremist and Reconquistadors are among us.
It appears that we are in agreement then.

[Kinky Jones]

The article quotes Newsweek, Fortune, the Washington Times, the Family Therapy Networker, and the head of the American Psychological Association. Aside from that the 10% figure was widely quoted for decades and assumed to be correct by nearly everyone.

you like to assume an awful lot it would seem, most people probably nearly everyone could care less... so get pissed at the far left gay friendly news outlets you listed above for lying to you, you haven't proven to me that one queer has lied to anybody and you can't do it... gay people are the same as everybody else, they just want to be left alone but people don't seem capable of doing that...

[Southern Man]

you like to assume an awful lot it would seem, most people probably nearly everyone could care less... so get pissed at the far left gay friendly news outlets you listed above for lying to you, you haven't proven to me that one queer has lied to anybody and you can't do it... gay people are the same as everybody else, they just want to be left alone but people don't seem capable of doing that... Yes I suppose it is a bold assumption on my part that queers have touted their fake large numbers by quoting the main stream press since the late 1940's. :crazzy:

[Kinky Jones]

Yes I suppose it is a bold assumption on my part that queers have touted their fake large numbers by quoting the main stream press since the late 1940's. :crazzy:

have you read this thread? you seem to be the only one that feels lied to around here, hence you got yourself your very own internet conspiracy theory :lmao2:

maybe you should have tried a thread title like "do you think that the gays have been lying to us about there population statistics since 1940?" and the response would be:

:lmao2:

what privileges are gays getting that you are not able to get yourself? or more to the point what "privileges" do you want to take away from the gays?

[Southern Man]

So you've never been told by a queer that they are normal, and make up 10% of the population. I guess you never knew too many queers.

[Kinky Jones]

So you've never been told by a queer that they are normal, and make up 10% of the population. I guess you never knew too many queers.

isn't it obvious that I have never met a gay man before, after all I haven't caught the gay yet, knock on wood :hammer:

[Southern Man]

isn't it obvious that I have never met a gay man before, after all I haven't caught the gay yet, knock on wood :hammer: Wrong-o. I knew many in college. I also knew lots more queer women, or women who thought they were queer. ;)

[kres24GT]

I still don't get the point of this thread.

[Linkster]

If you use numbers from reliable unbiased sources like Voter News Survey (exit polling people) and the US Census numbers it works out to around 5% of Americans claim they are gay or lesbian - the numbers of people that have had some gay contact in their lives is much higher (somewhere around 35%) based on one or more sexual contacts with the same sex

Of course it doesnt really make any difference as anyone that chooses an "alternate lifestyle" as its called - is just as equal to anyone else in this world no matter what religions, states or individual beliefs are touted - same thing that applies to just about any belief in the world and has always been that way

[Southern Man]

If you use numbers from reliable unbiased sources like Voter News Survey (exit polling people) and the US Census numbers it works out to around 5% of Americans claim they are gay or lesbian - the numbers of people that have had some gay contact in their lives is much higher (somewhere around 35%) based on one or more sexual contacts with the same sex

Of course it doesnt really make any difference as anyone that chooses an "alternate lifestyle" as its called - is just as equal to anyone else in this world no matter what religions, states or individual beliefs are touted - same thing that applies to just about any belief in the world and has always been that way

1.

U.S. CENSUS DATA SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES ACCOUNT FOR 1 PERCENT OF ALL COUPLES
WASHINGTON, March 13, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Census Bureau released a Census 2000 report on married- and unmarried-couple households today. The 16-page report, Married-Couple and Unmarried-Partner Households: 2000, indicates that homosexual couples account for only 1 percent of all couples - married and non-married. Of the 60 million households headed by couples, 0.6 million were headed by same-sex partners.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/mar/03031302.html

This analysis is confirmed by a pro-queer site.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/USA/USA.htm

2. It absolutely makes a difference what the numbers are. Ten percent is a minority, 1% is a fringe, and definietly can not be considered "normal" in and sense of the word.

[Southern Man]

I still don't get the point of this thread. Free speach doesn't need a point that you can understand.

[kres24GT]

Free speach doesn't need a point that you can understand.


Agreed. Intelligent speech usually does though.

[Kinky Jones]

Agreed. Intelligent speech usually does though.

the cliff notes are: muslim extremeists hate us because we lied and padded our gay population statitics for the last 65+ years

see there is no intelligence going on in this thread, the passing on of intelligence is surely being thwarted heavily though ;)

[Kinky Jones]

U.S. CENSUS DATA SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES ACCOUNT FOR 1 PERCENT OF ALL COUPLES
WASHINGTON, March 13, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Census Bureau released a Census 2000 report on married- and unmarried-couple households today. The 16-page report, Married-Couple and Unmarried-Partner Households: 2000, indicates that homosexual couples account for only 1 percent of all couples - married and non-married. Of the 60 million households headed by couples, 0.6 million were headed by same-sex partners.


see he is too not smart to realize that gays tend to travel as singles sometimes, and are still gay if not involved in a couple... 1% of all couples are gay, not 1% of the entire population... somedoby has a severe reading comprehension problem it would seeem... read the bold parts and try to comprehend what they say my southern friend

[Southern Man]

Agreed. Intelligent speech usually does though.
Perhaps this one's over your head. :D

[Southern Man]

U.S. CENSUS DATA SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES ACCOUNT FOR 1 PERCENT OF ALL COUPLES
WASHINGTON, March 13, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Census Bureau released a Census 2000 report on married- and unmarried-couple households today. The 16-page report, Married-Couple and Unmarried-Partner Households: 2000, indicates that homosexual couples account for only 1 percent of all couples - married and non-married. Of the 60 million households headed by couples, 0.6 million were headed by same-sex partners.


see he is too not smart to realize that gays tend to travel as singles sometimes, and are still gay if not involved in a couple... 1% of all couples are gay, not 1% of the entire population... somedoby has a severe reading comprehension problem it would seeem... read the bold parts and try to comprehend what they say my southern friend

You don't know too much about statistics, do you? The data compares queer couples with normal ones. Are there queer singles that are missed? Sure, just as there are straight ones missed. Regardless, it is a huge amount of sampling data compared with any study of the queer population ever done. Therefore it is the most accurate. And the pro-queer site admits this.

[Kinky Jones]

You don't know too much about statistics, do you? The data compares queer couples with normal ones. Are there queer singles that are missed? Sure, just as there are straight ones missed. Regardless, it is a huge amount of sampling data compared with any study of the queer population ever done. Therefore it is the most accurate. And the pro-queer site admits this.

:lmao2:

you learned math at the same place you learned to read... The Conservative School of Selective Education sounds about right... didn't you read the log cabin republicans site? it clearly states that they are winning, not distorting their numbers... winning! and it says so on the internet so it must be true, regardless :lmao2:

[Southern Man]

The math has been explained to you and is really quite simple. What don't you understand about it?