Afghans unimpressed by Obama's troops surge

[Socialist_Revolution]

If they are unimpressed and don't seem to care OR think it will help..instead thinking it will hurt then WHY ARE WE STILL THERE! send the troops home NOW and use that money to fix our problems in this country!



KABUL (Reuters) - Thirty thousand more U.S. troops for Afghanistan? Esmatullah only shrugged.

"Even if they bring the whole of America, they won't be able to stabilize Afghanistan," said the young construction worker out on a Kabul street corner on Wednesday morning. "Only Afghans understand our traditions, geography and way of life."

U.S. President Barack Obama's announcement of a massive new escalation of the eight-year-old war seemed to have impressed nobody in the Afghan capital, where few watched the speech on TV before dawn and fewer seemed to think new troops would help.

Obama said his goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" al Qaeda in Afghanistan and "reverse the Taliban's momentum."

The extra U.S. forces, and at least 5,000 expected from other NATO allies, would join 110,000 Western troops already in the country in an effort to reverse gains made by the Islamist militants, at their strongest since being ousted in 2001.

Shopkeeper Ahmad Fawad, 25, said it would not help.

"The troops will be stationed in populated areas where the Taliban will somehow infiltrate and then may attack the troops," he said. "Instead of pouring in more soldiers, they need to focus on equipping and raising Afghan forces, which is cheap and easy."

For many, the prospect of more troops meant one thing: more civilian deaths.

"More troops will mean more targets for the Taliban and the troops are bound to fight, and fighting certainly will cause civilian casualties," Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai, a former Afghan prime minister, told Reuters.

"The civilian casualties will be further a blow to the U.S. image and cause more indignation among Afghans."

"NOTHING REALLY NEW"

By late morning, the Afghan government had yet to issue an official response to Obama's statement. President Hamid Karzai has in the past said he favors additional Western troops, although he wants Afghan forces to take over security for the country within five years.

Although Obama pointedly addressed Afghans, telling them the United States was not interested in occupying their country, parliamentarian Shukriya Barakzai said she was disappointed because the speech contained little talk of civilian aid.

"It was a very wonderful speech for America ... but when it comes to strategy in Afghanistan there was nothing really new which was disappointing," she told Reuters from her home.

"It seems to me that President Obama is very far away from the reality and truth in Afghanistan. His strategy was to pay lip-service, and did not focus on civilians, nation-building, democracy and human rights."

Other Afghans, hardened by decades of war and wary of foreign forces whom have for years fought proxy battles in Afghanistan, were skeptical of the United States' intentions.

Kabul money changer Ehsanullah wondered why U.S. forces had managed to find former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, but had yet to locate Al Qaeda head Osama bin Laden or Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, who both fled U.S. troops in Afghanistan in 2001.

"This is part of America's further occupation of Afghanistan," he said. "America is using the issue of insecurity here in order to send more troops."

(Additional reporting by Abdul Saboor and Yara Bayoumy; Writing by Yara Bayoumy; Editing by Peter Graff and Alex Richardson)

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5B118U20091202

[doctordog]

that money won't fix our problems, it would just enable more of the same.

[The_Limit]

Obama is leading the troops into their graves.

I find it absolutely comical a nation that has excess greed which led the world into a recession, excess sex, a political system built around private donations and the expected rewards from those donations is going around preaching about morality and corruption to other side of the world.

Freakin' hilarious.

It would be sad if it wasn't true.

[doctordog]

Obama is leading the troops into their graves.

Bullshit, they did it to themselves the day they signed up.

[The_Limit]

Bullshit, they did it to themselves the day they signed up.


That doesn't mean leadership is absolved of making sound decisions.

[doctordog]

That doesn't mean leadership is absolved of making sound decisions.

Never the less, they are soldiers and there could be consequences when joining the armed forces.

[The_Limit]

Never the less, they are soldiers and there could be consequences when joining the armed forces. I guess you hold the prime minister of Canada responsible for every patient that dies under Canadian Healthcare too?

The Canadian federal government doesn't "run" health care.

If you weren't an ignorant American, you'd know that the provinces "run" healthcare.

Even then, the Ontario government (the province I live in) does not run the hospitals or doctor offices.

It's all privately run. We have the same hospitals Americans do...hospital for sick kids, Mt. Sinai etc.

It's a single payer system, all the government does is pay for it, and much like the US govt, regulate it.

I have never, ever in life ever met anyone or heard of anyone who has ever run into a "bureacrat" when getting care.

Does not happen.

[doctordog]

The Canadian federal government doesn't "run" health care.

If you weren't an ignorant American, you'd know that the provinces "run" healthcare.

Even then, the Ontario government (the province I live in) does not run the hospitals or doctor offices.

It's all privately run. We have the same hospitals Americans do...hospital for sick kids, Mt. Sinai etc.

It's a single payer system, all the government does is pay for it, and much like the US govt, regulate it.

I have never, ever in life ever met anyone or heard of anyone who has ever run into a "bureacrat" when getting care.

Does not happen.

Right that is why you aren't forced to pay taxes for the coverage, BTW, if they are paying decisions on care is coming from them. So you blame a President for soldiers deaths even thought they volunteered but yu won't hold government accountable for a bad healthcare fuckup......hmmmmm, how telling.

[The_Limit]

Right that is why you aren't forced to pay taxes for the coverage, BTW, if they are paying decisions on care is coming from them. S

See the problem with what you said is not "if".

The province does not have a say in the surgery, drugs or care a doctor reccommends.

If your doctor reccommends it, it gets done. There is NO SUCH thing as the province deciding who gets what.

That is a myth, that does not exist.

It just doesn't.

I know its hard for an American to understand that concept, but I'm sure your lizard brain can manage.

The doctor bills OHIP and the govt pays it.

End of story.

Oh and by the way, Canadians make more per capita than their American counterparts, live longer, have more sex and yes...even have a lower corporate tax than the US.

And it has nothing to do with our political system.

It has more to do with how Canadians view each other. You see, we feel that healthcare is a right, not a privilage. We sort of feel like we're all in this together. Who gets to go to the front of the health care line is determined by who is the sickest, not who has the most money.

Americans on the other hand, well....you all just freakin' hate each other.

Pay or die.

Health care by extortion.

[Boogie man]

The Canadian federal government doesn't "run" health care.

If you weren't an ignorant American, you'd know that the provinces "run" healthcare.

Even then, the Ontario government (the province I live in) does not run the hospitals or doctor offices.

It's all privately run. We have the same hospitals Americans do...hospital for sick kids, Mt. Sinai etc.

It's a single payer system, all the government does is pay for it, and much like the US govt, regulate it.

I have never, ever in life ever met anyone or heard of anyone who has ever run into a "bureacrat" when getting care.

Does not happen.

Canadians have all kinds of problems with health care. Long waits. Shortage of up to date technological equipment. Shortage of doctors. You need to read this.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

[doctordog]

See the problem with what you said is not "if".

The province does not have a say in the surgery, drugs or care a doctor reccommends.

If your doctor reccommends it, it gets done. There is NO SUCH thing as the province deciding who gets what.

That is a myth, that does not exist.

It just doesn't.

I know its hard for an American to understand that concept, but I'm sure your lizard brain can manage.

The doctor bills OHIP and the govt pays it.

End of story.

Oh and by the way, Canadians make more per capita than their American counterparts, live longer, have more sex and yes...even have a lower corporate tax than the US.

And it has nothing to do with our political system.

It has more to do with how Canadians view each other. You see, we feel that healthcare is a right, not a privilage. We sort of feel like we're all in this together. Who gets to go to the front of the health care line is determined by who is the sickest, not who has the most money.

Americans on the other hand, well....you all just freakin' hate each other.

Pay or die.

Health care by extortion.

I will admit I have heard great things about Vancouver from counterparts in my company, but I have heard some of the worst medical stories ever from our guys in Quebec. If I lost my grandmother the same way an associate did in Montreal, postal does not even describe my reaction.

[Parade Rain]

Canadians have all kinds of problems with health care. Long waits. Shortage of up to date technological equipment. Shortage of doctors. You need to read this.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

You're an imbecile. The guy LIVES THERE. He just laid out an overview of his experience with the single-payer system in his province. Do you really think you're going to talk him out of his "confusion" about how well their system works? Are you really that stupid?

[doctordog]

You're an imbecile. The guy LIVES THERE. He just laid out an overview of his experience with the single-payer system in his province. Do you really think you're going to talk him out of his "confusion" about how well their system works? Are you really that stupid?

His area is not representative of the whole system, get a fucking job and quit your fucking whining.

[The_Limit]

I will admit I have heard great things about Vancouver from counterparts in my company, but I have heard some of the worst medical stories ever from our guys in Quebec. If I lost my grandmother the same way an associate did in Montreal, postal does not even describe my reaction.

It could just be his grandma had a terrible doctor at a terrible hospital? What, they dont have shitty doctors and hospitals in US?

Like I said, the hospitals in Ontario are privately run, the only role the govt has is to pay and regulate.

I don't know what it's like in Quebec.

[Boogie man]

You're an imbecile. The guy LIVES THERE. He just laid out an overview of his experience with the single-payer system in his province. Do you really think you're going to talk him out of his "confusion" about how well their system works? Are you really that stupid?

His experience is not the norm. Canada has major problems with their health care system. You could always join the debate and provide a link to some other evidence like I just did instead of jumping in and adding nothing to the conversation other than your usual co-dependent cat scratch fever.

[doctordog]

His experience is not the norm. Canada has major problems with their health care system. You could always join the debate and provide a link to some other evidence like I just did instead of jumping in and adding nothing to the conversation other than your usual co-dependent cat scratch fever.

She is a spoiled mod at her board and used to not having to back her shit up.

[The_Limit]

Canadians have all kinds of problems with health care. Long waits. Shortage of up to date technological equipment. Shortage of doctors. You need to read this.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html


There might be long waits for some individuals for certain procedures, but it's not a statiscally significant number.

It just isn't.

The fact is close to 96 per cent of Canadians don't wait.

[Boogie man]

There might be long waits for some individuals for certain procedures, but it's not a statiscally significant number.

It just isn't.

The fact is close to 96 per cent of Canadians don't wait.

What do you think of this from my link at the bottom of my post on page 1?

"Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin’s favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab."

[Parade Rain]

His experience is not the norm. Canada has major problems with their health care system. You could always join the debate and provide a link to some other evidence like I just did instead of jumping in and adding nothing to the conversation other than your usual co-dependent cat scratch fever.

You don't read links from liberals, and are incapable of learning anything. You're here to 'educate' the rest of us, remember genius? You already know everything and the rest of us are "confused", according to you.

And you don't live in Canada, nor have you lived in all of their provinces; you read only right-wing tripe and horseshit, and believe whatever the christ-y nutball hypocrites on the Right tell you. So your *opinion* of what's The norm" in Canada - or anywhere - is automatically relegated to the HORSESHIT pile by the thinking members of the group.

[Boogie man]

You don't read links from liberals, and are incapable of learning anything. You're here to 'educate' the rest of us, remember genius? You already know everything and the rest of us are "confused", according to you.

And you don't live in Canada, nor have you lived in all of their provinces; you read only right-wing tripe and horseshit, and believe whatever the christ-y nutball hypocrites on the Right tell you. So your *opinion* of what's The norm" in Canada - or anywhere - is automatically relegated to the HORSESHIT pile by the thinking members of the group.

You're right, I'm not here to learn anything from liberals. Duh!! A bunch of you are confused. That's not my problem. That's yours. I suggest you stop whining about it and get to work to straighten yourself out and be a productive strong American citizen.

The rest of your "post" is just more emotional menopausal co-dependent ranting. You really need to get a life. This site is for adult political debate.

[doctordog]

You don't read links from liberals, and are incapable of learning anything. You're here to 'educate' the rest of us, remember genius? You already know everything and the rest of us are "confused", according to you.

And you don't live in Canada, nor have you lived in all of their provinces; you read only right-wing tripe and horseshit, and believe whatever the christ-y nutball hypocrites on the Right tell you. So your *opinion* of what's The norm" in Canada - or anywhere - is automatically relegated to the HORSESHIT pile by the thinking members of the group.

Like you live in Canada and have any idea what you are talking about, hypocrite.:talktothehand:

[The_Limit]

What do you think of this from my link at the bottom of my post on page 1?

"Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin’s favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab."

I think its an anecdote. Its just one story. Is it horrible that it happened to her...yes.

But its not the norm...the statistics just don't conclude that this happens to a significant amount of Canadians. Thats one story from what is hundreds of thousands of people seeking care a day in Ontario.

Obviously the system is not perfect. Its going to have its shitty moments. however, this isn't about anecdotes. From what i gather the healthcare issue in the US is about national health care policy.

The magnitude of Canada's health problem is not even close to what is happening in the US.

Not even close.

There are Americans who are not covered. There are Americans who are not insured because of a pre-existing condition. There are Americans with insurance who get denied treatment because it is simply not profitable for their private carrier to cover them.

Absolutely pathetic.

The difference is, in the US, the private insurance companies kindly ask you to go lay down and die in the nearest ditch.

[Parade Rain]

You're right, I'm not here to learn anything

And you're living up to it in spades.

A bunch of you are confused.

Anyone who doesn't see things the way you do is "confused". It's never you who is "confused". And certainly never WRONG, which is why your narrow, bigoted, ugly little worldview never changes, no matter what ways those around you, in your immediate sphere and the world at large, may evolve. Because you don't evolve.

That's not my problem.

So sayeth Mr. 'Take Responsibility for Yourself'. :lmao2:

[The_Limit]

What do you think of this from my link at the bottom of my post on page 1?

"Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin’s favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab."

If the drug wasn't approved in Canada...what would mentioning the FDA have to do with anything?

The FDA doesn't have any authority in Canada...or did you forget we were an independent country?

Theres lot of drugs that are approved in Canada that arent approved in the US and vice versa.

There are also pesticides that arent allowed in Canada, that are allowed in the US.

So i dont really get the point about the FDA approving the drug.

[Boogie man]

I think its an anecdote. Its just one story. Is it horrible that it happened to her...yes.

But its not the norm...the statistics just don't conclude that this happens to a significant amount of Canadians. Thats one story from what is hundreds of thousands of people seeking care a day in Ontario.

Obviously the system is not perfect. Its going to have its shitty moments. however, this isn't about anecdotes. From what i gather the healthcare issue in the US is about national health care policy.

The magnitude of Canada's health problem is not even close to what is happening in the US.

Not even close.

There are Americans who are not covered. There are Americans who are not insured because of a pre-existing condition. There are Americans with insurance who get denied treatment because it is simply not profitable for their private carrier to cover them.

Absolutely pathetic.

The difference is, in the US, the private insurance companies kindly ask you to go lay down and die in the nearest ditch.

I'm not saying our system doesn't need overhaul. It does. What we don't need is to model our system after Canada's. Does Canada have a limit of payouts for malpractice?

[slowhand]

It could just be his grandma had a terrible doctor at a terrible hospital? What, they dont have shitty doctors and hospitals in US?

Like I said, the hospitals in Ontario are privately run, the only role the govt has is to pay and regulate.

I don't know what it's like in Quebec.

Yes, we have them here, and we pay them to do this....

Thursday, November 5, 2009

Rhode Island Hospital Caught Unprepared When Smoldering Crisis Ignited (http://crisisexperts.blogspot.com/2009/11/rhode-island-hospital-caught-unprepared.html)


I understand how one mistake can be called an anomaly. Two mistakes might be labeled an unfortunate coincidence. But by the time you screw up three, four, or five times, you should recognize the problem as a smoldering crisis.

Not so at Rhode Island Hospital, the largest in the state. It has been fined $150,000 for operating on the wrong body part five times since 2007. On top of the fine, Rhode Island Hospital must install video cameras in its operating rooms and have a clinician observe whether surgeons are marking operation sites. (http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/13703 (http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/13703)). This was the second such fine in as many years, said the Associated Press. The prior fine, for $50,000, was imposed following three wrong site neurosurgeries in 2007. According to state health director David Gifford, these are the only two fines ever issued by his department.

After the 2007 fine and two more mess-ups, the hospital was prepared to respond to inquiries, right? Wrong. "A spokeswoman for the hospital was not aware of the order and refused to comment." So the Associated Press knows about a state health order against the hospital before the hospital's spokesperson is made aware? Pitiful! Further, there is nothing on the hospital's web site explaining what measures are being taken, voluntary or otherwise, to ensure the right body parts of its patients are being operated on.

It appears no one responded appropriately to this smoldering crisis. Despite a fine two years ago, the crisis team was unprepared. Don't let this happen to you and your organization. Assess vulnerabilities. Be prepared to deal with them. Develop messages to key target audiences.

http://crisisexperts.blogspot.com/2009/11/rhode-island-hospital-caught-unprepared.html

[Boogie man]

If the drug wasn't approved in Canada...what would mentioning the FDA have to do with anything?

The FDA doesn't have any authority in Canada...or did you forget we were an independent country?

Theres lot of drugs that are approved in Canada that arent approved in the US and vice versa.

There are also pesticides that arent allowed in Canada, that are allowed in the US.

So i dont really get the point about the FDA approving the drug.

What I don't get is the part about her not being able to get the drug she needed from the USA and not Canada. Did you know that the USA has the best rate of cancer cure in the entire world?

[Bill Cosby]

If they are unimpressed and don't seem to care OR think it will help..instead thinking it will hurt then WHY ARE WE STILL THERE! send the troops home NOW and use that money to fix our problems in this country!

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5B118U20091202
:thumbsup:

I agree............. Sell the pipeline to china & GTF out of town........ Let them worry about it.............

[Boogie man]

And you're living up to it in spades.



Anyone who doesn't see things the way you do is "confused". It's never you who is "confused". And certainly never WRONG, which is why your narrow, bigoted, ugly little worldview never changes, no matter what ways those around you, in your immediate sphere and the world at large, may evolve. Because you don't evolve.



So sayeth Mr. 'Take Responsibility for Yourself'. :lmao2:

Whatever you say. You're very boring.

[slowhand]

What I don't get is the part about her not being able to get the drug she needed from the USA and not Canada. Did you know that the USA has the best rate of cancer cure in the entire world?

And how many Americans buy Canadian drugs online cuz they're cheaper?

[Boogie man]

And how many Americans buy Canadian drugs online cuz they're cheaper?

That's fine, but they can get the drugs. That's the point. They have different costs, but they can still get them. She was not allowed to have the drug that the doctor recommended. That's the problem.

[slowhand]

That's fine, but they can get the drugs. That's the point. They have different costs, but they can still get them. She was not allowed to have the drug that the doctor recommended. That's the problem.

We have the same problem here, and its a big problem that manifests itself in more than one way

[Boogie man]

We have the same problem here, and its a big problem that manifests itself in more than one way

The USA has the best cancer care in the entire world.

[slowhand]

The USA has the best cancer care in the entire world.


And Cuba has $120.00 inhalers available for 5 cents apiece..Six of one..Half a dozen of another

[Parade Rain]

And Cuba has $120.00 inhalers available for 5 cents apiece..Six of one..Half a dozen of another

The "best cancer care in the world" is useless to the cancer sufferer without health insurance.

[slowhand]

The "best cancer care in the world" is useless to the cancer sufferer without health insurance.

Or if you have a $6,000 deductable

[Boogie man]

And Cuba has $120.00 inhalers available for 5 cents apiece..Six of one..Half a dozen of another

Tell that to someone who has cancer.

[Boogie man]

The "best cancer care in the world" is useless to the cancer sufferer without health insurance.

They would get the care whether they had insurance or not.

[slowhand]

Tell that to someone who has cancer.

Tell that to someone who has COPD

[Boogie man]

Tell that to someone who has COPD

The point is if I get sick, I would rather get sick in the USA than Canada.

[slowhand]

The point is if I get sick, I would rather get sick in the USA than Canada.

No system is perfect, but, if you have excellent health care in the U.S. you've got it made..Not everyone here is that fortunate..For some folks, this is the worst place on Earth to get sick

[foxbaron]

Let's get the boys from South Park together and invade Canada.

[Socialist_Revolution]

:thumbsup:

I agree............. Sell the pipeline to china & GTF out of town........ Let them worry about it.............
Thanks Bill for trying to keep it on topic. How it got from the afgahn troop surge to healthcare and the differances between the canadian and U.S. systems is beyond me...guess it is hard for some to stay on topic for long:dunno:

[Bill Cosby]

Thanks Bill for trying to keep it on topic. How it got from the afgahn troop surge to healthcare and the differances between the canadian and U.S. systems is beyond me...guess it is hard for some to stay on topic for long:dunno:

Well they are all about the money, & that is important to all of us, especially now that we all have a lot less of it.

The problem is we want to control the energy sources, or as much of it as we can..

China could use that energy & it is clean, but instead we kill & die to pipe it away from them & force them to buy it elsewhere. That raises the price substancially for everyone...

If China controlled those assets they could likely do it cheaper & w/ less death + that would take pressure off of the world markets & thus lower prices.........

Obama is wrong, the surge will change nothing eventhough they will claim victory of some kind w/ it.......... Some taliband (reformed=good taliband) fool will replace the unocal representative we installed as leader of Kabul & the usa will remain there for some benevolent reason/claim but in fact will be their guarding those pipelines until the locals can be bought off to do it for us.......

[Binky]

that money won't fix our problems, it would just enable more of the same.


We need to toss out our politicans, draggin' their dirty laundry behind them, and bring in new. And when they decide to wallow in nastiness and greed, then bounce 'em down the same damn path of their predecessors and out the door.....:D That would be the beginning in solving our problems. Or at least the ones we can solve. You know, those that aren't global warming.......and are destined to con't on and on and on and on and on.......well, you get the pic....

[Binky]

Obama is leading the troops into their graves.

I find it absolutely comical a nation that has excess greed which led the world into a recession, excess sex, a political system built around private donations and the expected rewards from those donations is going around preaching about morality and corruption to other side of the world.

Freakin' hilarious.

It would be sad if it wasn't true.


Well, it is sad, even tho' it's true...I can't believe how we, the people have let America turn into the soddam and gamorah it has. We are absolutely nuts for letting it all take place. Americas greed and immorality are her undoing.....and if and when she fails she will drag all others right behind her coat tails......And that means Canada as well, there Limit....

[Binky]

Yes, we have them here, and we pay them to do this....

Thursday, November 5, 2009

Rhode Island Hospital Caught Unprepared When Smoldering Crisis Ignited (http://crisisexperts.blogspot.com/2009/11/rhode-island-hospital-caught-unprepared.html)


I understand how one mistake can be called an anomaly. Two mistakes might be labeled an unfortunate coincidence. But by the time you screw up three, four, or five times, you should recognize the problem as a smoldering crisis.

Not so at Rhode Island Hospital, the largest in the state. It has been fined $150,000 for operating on the wrong body part five times since 2007. On top of the fine, Rhode Island Hospital must install video cameras in its operating rooms and have a clinician observe whether surgeons are marking operation sites. (http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/13703 (http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/13703)). This was the second such fine in as many years, said the Associated Press. The prior fine, for $50,000, was imposed following three wrong site neurosurgeries in 2007. According to state health director David Gifford, these are the only two fines ever issued by his department.

After the 2007 fine and two more mess-ups, the hospital was prepared to respond to inquiries, right? Wrong. "A spokeswoman for the hospital was not aware of the order and refused to comment." So the Associated Press knows about a state health order against the hospital before the hospital's spokesperson is made aware? Pitiful! Further, there is nothing on the hospital's web site explaining what measures are being taken, voluntary or otherwise, to ensure the right body parts of its patients are being operated on.

It appears no one responded appropriately to this smoldering crisis. Despite a fine two years ago, the crisis team was unprepared. Don't let this happen to you and your organization. Assess vulnerabilities. Be prepared to deal with them. Develop messages to key target audiences.

http://crisisexperts.blogspot.com/2009/11/rhode-island-hospital-caught-unprepared.html

If they had paid attention to the patients records, and given their heads a good yank out of their asses, they would have known which part needed mending. How can one operate on the SAME WRONG PART FIVE TIMES? You'd damn well discover the fact, that IT WAS THE WRONG DAMN PART AFTER THE 1ST TIME. Duh, Duh and Duh.......

[JJGlanton]

Let's get the boys from South Park together and invade Canada.
Its something the girl scouts can handle quite easily.

[slowhand]

If they had paid attention to the patients records, and given their heads a good yank out of their asses, they would have known which part needed mending. How can one operate on the SAME WRONG PART FIVE TIMES? You'd damn well discover the fact, that IT WAS THE WRONG DAMN PART AFTER THE 1ST TIME. Duh, Duh and Duh.......

What can I tell you?..Its a true story