The Selling of the War

[Linkster]

Saw this on the fromt page in the news feed so figured it was worth a good discussion:
http://www.frameshopisopen.com/
The rebranding of the Iraq Occupation by Madison Avenue - a study that was commissioned by the pentagon on how to continue selling the war to the american people for $400k - and is very blatent in its opening paragraph about how it can be sold to the "consumer" using the exact same techniques as they use for selling ketchup - but more telling is that little buried part about selling it for a long time to come

[disrupter]

The political saleability of the war is all the White House has cared about since they started this misadventure.

Results don't matter, Consequences don't matter, only political palatability & only in the US.

A Trillion or two dollars don't matter, looting the treasury doesn't matter, only numbing & postponing the pain using deficit spending matters.

2/3rds of a million dead iraqis don't matter, 3600 American service persons dead don't matter, treating returning veterans like complete dirt don't matter, only funneling money to Bechtel, Halliburton, GE, Blackwater & stealing Iraqi oil for big oil companies matters.

Winning the election didn't matter, only convincing people that George Bush supposedly had does.

It is all image.

It is all so phony.

[nofear]

The political saleability of the war is all the White House has cared about since they started this misadventure.

Results don't matter, Consequences don't matter, only political palatability & only in the US.

A Trillion or two dollars don't matter, looting the treasury doesn't matter, only numbing & postponing the pain using deficit spending matters.

2/3rds of a million dead iraqis don't matter, 3600 American service persons dead don't matter, treating returning veterans like complete dirt don't matter, only funneling money to Bechtel, Halliburton, GE, Blackwater & stealing Iraqi oil for big oil companies matters.

Winning the election didn't matter, only convincing people that George Bush supposedly had does.

It is all image.

It is all so phony.

it matters, and it is going EXACTLY as planned..dont for a second think W thinks up any of this shit..he is told what to do and he does it..he is a pawn in the big game there to give the brain dead american public the illusion we live in a free society..well we dont..the goverment cares as mush for us as they care for any other regular folks they kill and diplace every day..the ones who TRULY hold the power in this world thrive off death and chaos..pretty simple really if they didnt there would would be peace and harmony..

[Southern Man]

Saw this on the fromt page in the news feed so figured it was worth a good discussion:
http://www.frameshopisopen.com/
The rebranding of the Iraq Occupation by Madison Avenue - a study that was commissioned by the pentagon on how to continue selling the war to the american people for $400k - and is very blatent in its opening paragraph about how it can be sold to the "consumer" using the exact same techniques as they use for selling ketchup - but more telling is that little buried part about selling it for a long time to come FDR had to sell WW2 to you pacifists as well. Even his brand of liberalism didn't blind him from the obvious.

[Linkster]

Where did you get the idea I was a pacifist? Because I link a story about how the administration has gone to Madison Ave to get the ketchup sellers to come up with ad campaigns to sell the war to the American people is way beyond what FDR did - has nothing whatsoever to do with pacifism - it has to do with them wasting our taxpayer money at the new projected rate of over 1 trillion dollars for no reason (unless you count reinstating a democracy in a place we took it away 35 years ago????)

[Kinky Jones]

Where did you get the idea I was a pacifist? Because I link a story about how the administration has gone to Madison Ave to get the ketchup sellers to come up with ad campaigns to sell the war to the American people is way beyond what FDR did - has nothing whatsoever to do with pacifism - it has to do with them wasting our taxpayer money at the new projected rate of over 1 trillion dollars for no reason (unless you count reinstating a democracy in a place we took it away 35 years ago????)

someone is not smart enough to post in the proper thread... he does know everything else though

[Southern Man]

Where did you get the idea I was a pacifist? Because I link a story about how the administration has gone to Madison Ave to get the ketchup sellers to come up with ad campaigns to sell the war to the American people is way beyond what FDR did - has nothing whatsoever to do with pacifism - it has to do with them wasting our taxpayer money at the new projected rate of over 1 trillion dollars for no reason (unless you count reinstating a democracy in a place we took it away 35 years ago????)
I call anyone a pacifist who doesn't want to spend $3,300 per US Citizen to fight the war on terror.

[Southern Man]

someone is not smart enough to post in the proper thread... he does know everything else though More of your "if conservative, then stupid" mantra that has failed you repeatedly now.

[Kinky Jones]

More of your "if conservative, then stupid" mantra that has failed you repeatedly now.

you are the dumb dumb posting about FDR in the wrong thread, sorry for pointing out how dumb you tend to be :disbelief:

[Southern Man]

you are the dumb dumb posting about FDR in the wrong thread, sorry for pointing out how dumb you tend to be :disbelief: Perhaps you can enlighten me why a comparison of FDR selling WW2 is unrelated to Bush 43 selling the WOT. Or admit that it is a dead-on comparision and are trying to ignore my point.

[Kinky Jones]

Perhaps you can enlighten me why a comparison of FDR selling WW2 is unrelated to Bush 43 selling the WOT. Or admit that it is a dead-on comparision and are trying to ignore my point.

you are comparing apples to oranges, FDR had to sell getting involved in WWII and Americans were behind the war and believed in what the nation was doing after we got involved, and they sacrificed as a nation for the cause... in this case they are trying to find ways to get Americans to keep going along with a war that they don't believe in, basically trying to find more ways to fool them to keep their precious war machine running :disbelief:

trying to compare the war on terror/war in Iraq to WWII is a piss poor way to try and gain support but it seems as though some people are easily fooled by the tactic

[Southern Man]

you are comparing apples to oranges, FDR had to sell getting involved in WWII and Americans were behind the war and believed in what the nation was doing after we got involved, and they sacrificed as a nation for the cause... in this case they are trying to find ways to get Americans to keep going along with a war that they don't believe in, basically trying to find more ways to fool them to keep their precious war machine running :disbelief:

trying to compare the war on terror/war in Iraq to WWII is a piss poor way to try and gain support but it seems as though some people are easily fooled by the tactic
Actually I'm comparing the approval ratings of the two presidents, not the two wars as you state. You must not have a very good knowledge of history, or human nature, to think that WW2 was popular among Americans while it was being fought and 600,000 of our young men dying.
The story that spans the era of scientific polling links FDR to current President George W. Bush. It arose in part from polling data comparing public support for FDR prior to and after the attack on Pearl Harbor with support for George W Bush before and after the events of Sept 11th. No other events of modern times can be compared with either of these two, but they can be compared with each other. The eras were very different. So were many aspects of the events themselves. One of the similarities, not previously noticed, is that public support levels and trends over time, for the two leaders prove to be uncannily similar. http://www.cdi.org/polling/9-public-interest.cfm

[Linkster]

Perhaps you can enlighten me why a comparison of FDR selling WW2 is unrelated to Bush 43 selling the WOT. Or admit that it is a dead-on comparision and are trying to ignore my point.

FDR didnt have to sell the war - Germany declared war on the US so it was a no-brainer - and polls from right after the attack on pearl harbor show that 99% of Americans supported war with Japan- as a matter of fact it got extremely racist in this country when germans and japanese american citizens were all imprisoned to protect them from being killed by mobs.

The war on terror is a fairy tale that unfortunately 29% of this country still believes - fortunately though that number is shrinking - and NO - I do not want to give any money to Haliburton to finance their move out of the US to the Arabian peninsula - why should my taxpayer money go to a foreign corporation?

[disrupter]

'Terrorism' is the NSA's project to train you to eat shit, any & all.

Iraq shit.
Treasury looting shit.
Deficit spending your grandchildren's wealth & economic future shit.
Criminally stealing your citizen given civil rights shit.
Corporations off-shoring profits & taxes with ex-patriot gimmickry shit.
Elections stealing shit.
Not bothering to secure our borders shit.

And whenever you seem to be losing interest in eating their shit they roll out another 'terrorist' event for the media to broadcast.

Once proud, self governing Americans, reduced through gullibility to deception into eaters of government shit.

[Southern Man]

FDR didnt have to sell the war - Germany declared war on the US so it was a no-brainer - and polls from right after the attack on pearl harbor show that 99% of Americans supported war with Japan- as a matter of fact it got extremely racist in this country when germans and japanese american citizens were all imprisoned to protect them from being killed by mobs.

The war on terror is a fairy tale that unfortunately 29% of this country still believes - fortunately though that number is shrinking - and NO - I do not want to give any money to Haliburton to finance their move out of the US to the Arabian peninsula - why should my taxpayer money go to a foreign corporation?

FDR surely did sell the war, as before Germany/ Japan took direct action Americans by and large were isolationist. As most are now.

[Linkster]

He didnt have to sell the war because we werent in it - once Germany declared war he didnt have to do anything - it was a foregone conclusion to Americans - and he certainly didnt try to sell the war prior to Germany declaring war - he was too busy making sure the bankers in NY werent getting in trouble supplying the Nazis with American goods and steel

[Southern Man]

He didnt have to sell the war because we werent in it - once Germany declared war he didnt have to do anything - it was a foregone conclusion to Americans - and he certainly didnt try to sell the war prior to Germany declaring war - he was too busy making sure the bankers in NY werent getting in trouble supplying the Nazis with American goods and steel
Maybe you can provide evidence to support your opinion that is different thatn the evidence that I already linked to. Until then you are simply spouting off your opinion.

[Linkster]

Maybe you can provide evidence to support your opinion that is different thatn the evidence that I already linked to. Until then you are simply spouting off your opinion.

Unfortunately I think you are missing the point of what you are linking to - it had nothing to do with FDR "selling" the war - it simply showed that his popularity was high (probably one of the highest in history of polling both prior to and after the start of the war - around 65% for the 4 years before and upwards of the 80%'s after two years into the war - and then comparing it to the dismal polling results for BUsh
I will find you some links that will show what FDR really was thinking prior to the US involvement in the war - Should be also able to find the links to the articles about what Bush's granddaddy was doing (helping the Nazis)

[Southern Man]

Unfortunately I think you are missing the point of what you are linking to - it had nothing to do with FDR "selling" the war - it simply showed that his popularity was high (probably one of the highest in history of polling both prior to and after the start of the war - around 65% for the 4 years before and upwards of the 80%'s after two years into the war - and then comparing it to the dismal polling results for BUsh
I will find you some links that will show what FDR really was thinking prior to the US involvement in the war - Should be also able to find the links to the articles about what Bush's granddaddy was doing (helping the Nazis) Although that is the primary focus of the article it also documents how FDR's popularity waned as Bush's has.

[disrupter]

That was back in the day when Americans were smart enough to know unnecessary war was necessarily a bad, ruinous thing.