War- good vs evil or just evil???

[Bill Cosby]

Greeks vs Greeks?? Who was the good & who was the bad??

Greeks vs Persians??

Romans vs Greeks??

Rome vs Carthage??

ww2 hitler vs stalin???

sadaam vs Iranian Mullahs??

Wakistan vs India ???

USA vs Vietnam???

China vs Vietnam??

USA vs Afghani-NAM ??

USA vs IraQ???


How do you determine???

[Mr, gone]

Simple, those who throw the first stones are (to reference Bush) the "evil doers". And I see that the US has thrown a few lately.

[Bill Cosby]

Pls explain using one of the examples above or one of your own..

Who threw the first stone is not always so easy to determine......

[Mr, gone]

Pls explain using one of the examples above or one of your own..

Who threw the first stone is not always so easy to determine......

True... This is often the case with most wars, where religion, ego, pride, phalic displays and (above all) lack of candor, often mask the ability to sort out the culprit - which usually then digresses into subjective finger pointing and/or an exercise in futility.

Though when the overwhelming evidence points to energy and/or strategic resources (as is the case with Iraq and Afganistan), it is obvious who threw the first stone. I am not much of a war history book junkie, and will only reference details of conflicts which have occured within my lifetime.

[Moby]

Some wars are Good vs. Evil but most are not. At least not when they begin.

When you have genocide taking place it's a good vs. evil scenario.

You can make a case about supporting terrorism as a good vs. evil but the lines become blurring.

The rest of the wars are about economics and that doesn't really mean just evil. While the Iraq War we invaded a country ruled by an evil ruler our intentions were economic and political. The economic part isn't really evil, the political is obviously evil.

Bigger, stronger and faster survive while the weaker do not. That is not evil. That is nature. We are animals after all even though Creationists claim that we are not.

I war of economics is not evil. It's not just but that doesn't mean it's evil. It's human nature.

A war for political power is evil. A war where soldiers rape and torture is evil. A war without a cause or an end is evil.

[Binky]

In and of themselves, I don't think war is evil. It is what it is. I believe it's mans intentions that are evil. Beheading, and raping etc., now that's evil....

[Bill Cosby]

I purposely chose the word "evil" as opposed to bad as it was more provocative...lol But "bad" would work just as well.......

If a gang goes to war over turf or money, drugs etc it is not evil?? Or bad???

In order for one to conquer or subject another they kill & destroy lives & property.........

I would see those things as bad, if not the intent as evil...

Is killing innocent women & children an evil act??

[magialuna]

Greeks vs Greeks?? Who was the good & who was the bad??

Greeks vs Persians??

Romans vs Greeks??

Rome vs Carthage??

ww2 hitler vs stalin???

sadaam vs Iranian Mullahs??

Wakistan vs India ???

USA vs Vietnam???

China vs Vietnam??

USA vs Afghani-NAM ??

USA vs IraQ???


How do you determine???

Putting ancient history aside, we had/have no business being in any of them.

[TitusPullo]

good point.

now

Mankind good or evil?

[magialuna]

I've always looked at humankind as a virus on the planet. What other species has done this much damage?

[Bill Cosby]

I would agree that we sould not of been involved in those wars nor should of the rest of them..... Nations, or the old city states etc act/acted just like gangs.............

IMO mankind has some good but far to often does not act in a manner that can be defined as such......

[bairdi]

I purposely chose the word "evil" as opposed to bad as it was more provocative...lol But "bad" would work just as well.......

If a gang goes to war over turf or money, drugs etc it is not evil?? Or bad???

In order for one to conquer or subject another they kill & destroy lives & property.........

I would see those things as bad, if not the intent as evil...

Is killing innocent women & children an evil act??
Bill I see your questions leading to the larger philosophical question of does evil actually exist or is it just an illusion created by the mind of man? I believe that both sides of any conflict would justify their actions by offering up the belief that they are acting upon good and that the other side is evil.

Is killing innocent women and children an evil act? One could very well say the answer to this question is pretty cut and dried and that it certainly is evil. But what if the killing of innocent women and children was done by an almighty entity by wiping out the entire human population of the world except for one family and a boat load of animals. Would that too be evil?

[TitusPullo]

ha!!!
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so define evil!!:thumbsup:

[Mr, gone]

Any person who wantonly inflicts physical and/or emotional pain on others. Of course the severity of these actions, and resulting trauma created varies greatly - depending on the thickness of the individual's skin.:D

[Mr, gone]

I've always looked at humankind as a virus on the planet. What other species has done this much damage?

:thumbsup:

[BlackAsCoal]

Some wars are Good vs. Evil but most are not. At least not when they begin.

When you have genocide taking place it's a good vs. evil scenario.

You can make a case about supporting terrorism as a good vs. evil but the lines become blurring.

The rest of the wars are about economics and that doesn't really mean just evil. While the Iraq War we invaded a country ruled by an evil ruler our intentions were economic and political. The economic part isn't really evil, the political is obviously evil.

Bigger, stronger and faster survive while the weaker do not. That is not evil. That is nature. We are animals after all even though Creationists claim that we are not.

I war of economics is not evil. It's not just but that doesn't mean it's evil. It's human nature.

A war for political power is evil. A war where soldiers rape and torture is evil. A war without a cause or an end is evil.

I disagree brother.

It's not human nature unless we are less human than say the Chinese. They need resources even more than we do, but they aren't predisposed to send their armies to take what they need. Look no further than their position in Africa today. They are winning there because their policy leads with EQUITY, not bullets.

Case in point ..

"There might be a slight difference of understanding between our two cultures, our two languages," says Yang, who is flanked by a team of strategists and area specialists. ""When America talks about strategy, it implies military, security, confrontation. In China, we have a much broader view of the idea of 'strategy.' We mean something that is long-term and systematic."
The View From China
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/498052/the_view_from_china

War for resources is the evil men do, not human nature. There are many examples of societies who resort to intelligence before military power.

[Bill Cosby]

Bill I see your questions leading to the larger philosophical question of does evil actually exist or is it just an illusion created by the mind of man? I believe that both sides of any conflict would justify their actions by offering up the belief that they are acting upon good and that the other side is evil.

Is killing innocent women and children an evil act? One could very well say the answer to this question is pretty cut and dried and that it certainly is evil. But what if the killing of innocent women and children was done by an almighty entity by wiping out the entire human population of the world except for one family and a boat load of animals. Would that too be evil?

I think that depends if I or my ancestors were on the boat or not..... lol

:D

I meant/asked nothing more then what I stated...

It is really just a quite simple question... I appreciate your response & I think that many are reluctant to reply as, for them it really depends...

If we or our friends do it, it is one thing........... If someone else does it, it means something totally different...........

[Bill Cosby]

ha!!!
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so define evil!!:thumbsup:

I will let you define it in any way that suites you...........:thumbsup:

[ROdger Right]

So when you say that we should spend more tax dollars here then when Somlia starts killing people by the hundreds of thousands what do you do?

Do those with the power to stop such acts sit by because it doesn't involve us?

[Moby]

It's not human nature unless we are less human than say the Chinese. They need resources even more than we do, but they aren't predisposed to send their armies to take what they need. Look no further than their position in Africa today. They are winning there because their policy leads with EQUITY, not bullets.
Have you read The Art Of War? According to Sun Tzu the best approach is not to force your enemy through weapons but to provide a solution where they don't wish to fight.

Basically we're pitting Sun Tzu against the minds behind the PNAC. One came up with the world's greatest strategy and built a nation that has lasted longer and grown larger than any other in history. The other gave us Fox News and Sarah Palin.

[xav8terx]

So when you say that we should spend more tax dollars here then when Somlia starts killing people by the hundreds of thousands what do you do?

Do those with the power to stop such acts sit by because it doesn't involve us?



They stopped????

[Binky]

I purposely chose the word "evil" as opposed to bad as it was more provocative...lol But "bad" would work just as well.......

If a gang goes to war over turf or money, drugs etc it is not evil?? Or bad???

In order for one to conquer or subject another they kill & destroy lives & property.........

I would see those things as bad, if not the intent as evil...

Is killing innocent women & children an evil act??


It all comes down to mans intentions. Anyway, whether it's evil or not, it is what the world has been doing since the dawn of time. Fighting. When it comes to war, the human race hasn't progressed much. People can't co-exist without fighting. I think it becomes evil when beheadings, and/or when women and kids are involved. People can go to war without having those acts involved in it.....
Anyway, just my thoughts on it.....I could very well be wrong.....

[Bill Cosby]

It all comes down to mans intentions. Anyway, whether it's evil or not, it is what the world has been doing since the dawn of time. Fighting. When it comes to war, the human race hasn't progressed much. People can't co-exist without fighting. I think it becomes evil when beheadings, and/or when women and kids are involved. People can go to war without having those acts involved in it.....
Anyway, just my thoughts on it.....I could very well be wrong.....

I think it is more than just intentions.... They can do bad while claiming good... I was raping them for their own good........???

I think there are some things that everyone & every culture would find evil. Incest, rape, murder just for the hell of it etc...........
Those things would be bad no matter who did them.............

[Binky]

I think it is more than just intentions.... They can do bad while claiming good... I was raping them for their own good........???

I think there are some things that everyone & every culture would find evil. Incest, rape, murder just for the hell of it etc...........
Those things would be bad no matter who did them.............


That could be as I don't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of a terrorist. And any culture should find such acts as those as evil....but do they? Yes, they're bad, but those in other cultures may not feel that way....

[Bill Cosby]

That could be as I don't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of a terrorist. And any culture should find such acts as those as evil....but do they? Yes, they're bad, but those in other cultures may not feel that way....

I guess you are referring to some acts----

One mans hero can indeed be another mans terrorist...

I prefer to deal in acts/actions not intentions, & thus the thread..

If some fool in a bomb jackets kills 10 ppl in the market he is a terrorist......

If the good guys go after the one that "master minded" it w/ an American gunship helicopter & send a missile through the window killing his family & everyone else in the building- this is not an act of terror as well???

See it is all about intentions--- Lots of ppl are dead & the thing supposedly separating them in intentions.... Both doing the killing believed their intentions were just............

During WW2 the French resistance blew up ppl, bridges, assinated & did various other acts..........

Them doing that we consider good cause they were on our side, while the nazi's considered them terrorist..

So it is really just what suites us.... What is in our favor... :dunno:

If the religious wackO's in Afghani-NAM intend on killing foreign invaders is the act of doing so a crime???

NO............

It would depend on who this act was against.....

Against Russians good=freedumb fighters...........

Against USA bad= terrorist.....................