Should Khalid Sheik Mohammed Get A Trial Or Not?

[Moby]

Even Saddam Hussein got one.

[The_Limit]

Even Saddam Hussein got one.

HAHAHA

Sure, he got one.

And a "fair" one it was.

I especially liked the "DeadWood" style ending to Saddam Hussein's life.

What an embarrassment that "trial" was to US prestige.

[slowhand]

Even Saddam Hussein got one.

Well.....kinda

[slowhand]

HAHAHA

Sure, he got one.

And a "fair" one it was.

I especially liked the "DeadWood" style ending to Saddam Hussein's life.

What an embarrassment that "trial" was to US prestige.

They didnt find any WMD's..What is a President to do?..Bin Laden attacked us, and Saddam hung for it

[foxbaron]

I think they should send him to Quantico and let the Marines use him as a moving target.

[Mason66]

Of course he should get one.

That is not the question.

The question is should he be tried in New York on American soil and by a jury of his "peers".

Who wants to be called one of his peers.

Why is this guy going to get a civilian trial and the guy in Texas will get a military tribunal?

We should expect more terrorist attacks while this trial is going on.

He is at Gitmo right now where the terrorists can't get to him, he must be a god to these people for killing so many people, but in New York, everybody around him will be at risk.

[foxbaron]

If you go to New York during the trial stay the hell off the subway system.

[The_Limit]

There is NO WAY in hell he is found innocent. And he is hardly a security "risk". Like seriosuly, what do you guys think? OBL is secretly building a tunnel for KSM under the courtroom that will whisk him away to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan?

And why couldn't "terrorists" attack the subway system, right now?

Why does KSM have to be in New York for that to occur?

I don't care how much of a scumbag you are or KSM is, if you don't believe in rights for even the worst people on earth like KSM, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

[Mason66]

There is NO WAY in hell he is found innocent. And he is hardly a security "risk". Like seriosuly, what do you guys think? OBL is secretly building a tunnel for KSM under the courtroom that will whisk him away to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan?

And why couldn't "terrorists" attack the subway system, right now?

Why does KSM have to be in New York for that to occur?

I don't care how much of a scumbag you are or KSM is, if you don't believe in rights for even the worst people on earth like KSM, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

It has nothing to do with rights.

Military tribulans give the defendant rights as well.

Go get a book and read up on the mob and what they did to judges and jurymen.

Do you not think terrorists are going to threaten these people, or more to the point just kill them until nobody wants to be on the case.

Why take the chance in New York when it is not absolutely necessary.

I don't get it.

[The_Limit]

Military tribulans give the defendant rights as well.



What a ridiculous statement.

Military tribunals are by no means "fair."

[The_Limit]

Go get a book and read up on the mob and what they did to judges and jurymen.

Do you not think terrorists are going to threaten these people, or more to the point just kill them until nobody wants to be on the case.

Why take the chance in New York when it is not absolutely necessary.

I don't get it.

What in the hell are you talking about?

"Terrorists" have nowhere near the power, nor the connections the Italian mafia did in the New York justice system in it's heydey.

And, by the way, judges and jury were usually paid off. It was very rare for the mob to kill judges, lawyers, and policeman. Very rare.

You are talking about a pure fantasy - a pure fantasy - claiming that terrorists can "get to" officers of the courts, like lawyers and judges.

[Mason66]

What a ridiculous statement.

Military tribunals are by no means "fair."

You have no way to know that.

[Mason66]

What in the hell, are you talking about?

I am talking about killing judges and jurors which will happen.

[The_Limit]

You have no way to know that.

Yes, I do.

A general, tribunal can shut down, or exclude evidence for no reason. Nevermind there is no "jury" in a tribunal system, but a bunch of officers from the Army.

How is that fair? The entire pool/jury is madeup of officers from the armed forces of the United States.

How is that random? It's actually the opposite of random.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling me military tribunals are "fair."

Like I said earlier, if you don't believe in legal rights for even the worst people on earth like KSM, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

[MintJulep]

Even Saddam Hussein got one.I think the question should be, "should KSM get a trial in the US". I voted no because he does not deserve a trial here. As a foreign enemy combatant he is entitled only to a military tribunal. He is not an American citizen and does not deserve rights under the U.S. Constitution as a conventional citizen criminal does.

There is no limit to the stupidity of this administration. They should have been tried by military tribunal, shot or hanged 3 years ago, with a brief press release issue a few days after the executions. That they're allowing this filth to set foot on this nation's soil in this location is an outrage.

[Mason66]

Yes, I do.

A general, tribunal can shut down, or exclude evidence for no reason. Nevermind there is no "jury" in a tribunal system, but a bunch of officers from the Army.

How is that fair? The entire pool/jury is madeup of officers from the armed forces of the United States.

How is that random? It's actually the opposite of random.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling me military tribunals are "fair."

Like I said earlier, if you don't believe in legal rights for even the worst people on earth like KSM, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

Your post assumes that a military man cannot be unbiased.

Do you think they are going to find 12 jurors plus alternates that have not heard of 9/11 and what happened in NEW YORK? Is that going to be fair?

Military men have integrity and I am sure they would judge the case as it should be.

Do you have a problem with the Texas shooter getting a military tribunal instead of a jury trial.

And by the way, don't try to act like you are insulted at 18 years old with a whole lifetime of experience behind you. You believe what people tell you with no actual experience for yourself so don't come at me with the "Don't insult my intelligence" crap.

[The_Limit]

Your post assumes that a military man cannot be unbiased.

Do you think they are going to find 12 jurors plus alternates that have not heard of 9/11 and what happened in NEW YORK? Is that going to be fair?

Military men have integrity and I am sure they would judge the case as it should be.



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No it does not assume that.

You are proving my point, repeatedly I might add.

The very fact it is only military men in a military tribunal is, by definition, biased.

I say bring KSM to New York, give him all the rights any U.S. citizen would receive.

Americans don't believe in these rights because they are American per se, but because they are universally just.

If you don't believe in these laws, and rights for even the worst of your enemies, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

That is my position.

[Bill Cosby]

I think they should send him to Quantico and let the Marines use him as a moving target.

Back when I thought something similar should have happen to sadaam....

When caputured to be flown to the airport @ Kirkuk & given his feedumb... There would be a representation of his peers waiting.... To make it fair I was thinking about 300 or so........... Mainly the local Kurdish women & perhaps some Shia & various Sunni women to represent............

He could make his plea.... Present his case, as best he could & they could/would take it from there...

Not sure there is anything more undignified in a society like that then being ripped apart by women- mothers, daughter, sisters of your victims...:thumbsup:

[MintJulep]

What in the hell are you talking about?

"Terrorists" have nowhere near the power, nor the connections the Italian mafia did in the New York justice system in it's heydey.

And, by the way, judges and jury were usually paid off. It was very rare for the mob to kill judges, lawyers, and policeman. Very rare.

You are talking about a pure fantasy - a pure fantasy - claiming that terrorists can "get to" officers of the courts, like lawyers and judges.A group of local armed Mooslem terrorists could take an elementary school hostage and demand their Islamonazi buddies be released or else. Remember Beslan????

No. It is a danger to our society and by bringing these sewer rats stateside, this "President" is committing a dereliction of duty. I don't give a damn about "special rights" for terrorists. Putting our citizens in jeopardy like this is nothing less than criminal.

[The_Limit]

A group of local armed Mooslem terrorists could take an elementary school hostage and demand their Islamonazi buddies be released or else. Remember Beslan????



LOL at "could."

Is this a serious post?

Why wouldn't the muslim terrorists in your so-called example above, have done that already and demanded their release from Guantanamo?

[Moby]

Why is this guy going to get a civilian trial and the guy in Texas will get a military tribunal?
Because the guy in Texas was in the military and committed his crime on a military base?

Was that a serious question?

[Moby]

There is no limit to the stupidity of this administration. They should have been tried by military tribunal, shot or hanged 3 years ago
I love your mind set Minti.

3 years ago there was another administration yet you blame this one. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

This is probably one of the most telling statements of your belief structure that you've ever let slip out. We should all take a look and understand what the real complaints are and this shows a perfect example.

[Cookie]

I think the question should be, "should KSM get a trial in the US". I voted no because he does not deserve a trial here. As a foreign enemy combatant he is entitled only to a military tribunal. He is not an American citizen and does not deserve rights under the U.S. Constitution as a conventional citizen criminal does.

There is no limit to the stupidity of this administration. They should have been tried by military tribunal, shot or hanged 3 years ago, with a brief press release issue a few days after the executions. That they're allowing this filth to set foot on this nation's soil in this location is an outrage.


I totally agree. A military tribunal would be in accordance with the Geneva Convention. That the SCOTUS overturned those rules, allowing these criminals into our justice system was an obamanation!

Furthermore, trying them here isn't going to make the terrorists like us or love us or lessen their hatred for our country or western ways. It's a waste of time and money.

Disgraceful.
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[Cookie]

I love your mind set Minti.

3 years ago there was another administration yet you blame this one. :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

This is probably one of the most telling statements of your belief structure that you've ever let slip out. We should all take a look and understand what the real complaints are and this shows a perfect example.

I think she meant due to the lateness of dispensing with that piece of fungus, Obama should have gotten right to it and had the whole thing over with by now.
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[Bill Cosby]

I totally agree. A military tribunal would be in accordance with the Geneva Convention. That the SCOTUS overturned those rules, allowing these criminals into our justice system was an obamanation!

Furthermore, trying them here isn't going to make the terrorists like us or love us or lessen their hatred for our country or western ways. It's a waste of time and money.

Disgraceful.

Lets see now- I thought before we could hold them forever cause the protections of the geneva convention did not apply to them.............


Now we are saying according the that convention we should do XYZ w/ you... :dunno:

[Moby]

I think she meant due to the lateness of dispensing with that piece of fungus, Obama should have gotten right to it and had the whole thing over with by now.
While the other guy kept him around for 7 years to let the next guy deal with it so that people could bitch about it. Brilliant :thumbsup:

[The_Limit]

Here's a fun fact...the conviction rate for those being held in Guantanamo Bay is under one per cent.

Talk about expediancy!

[MintJulep]

Take no prisoners is the best policy. Hopefully that is what's being employed now.

[Frankg]

There is NO WAY in hell he is found innocent. And he is hardly a security "risk". Like seriosuly, what do you guys think? OBL is secretly building a tunnel for KSM under the courtroom that will whisk him away to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan?

And why couldn't "terrorists" attack the subway system, right now?

Why does KSM have to be in New York for that to occur?

I don't care how much of a scumbag you are or KSM is, if you don't believe in rights for even the worst people on earth like KSM, then you don't believe in it for yourself.

Ahbu-Akbar !

[MintJulep]

Ahbu-Akbar !:lmao2: :lmao2:

[foxbaron]

What the fuck are you people thinking?

Screw these asshole terrorists.

Screw their Kangaroo Court Trial and the Obama Administration.

These assholes are POW's pure and simple and they should remain in custody until the War on Terror is over or until they fucking die from old age, disease or their own stupidity.

Why should we even give a shit about them?

We should keep their asses in GITMO and stop this political correctness bullshit of feeding them religious appropriate meals. They can eat what the troops eat or starve to death. Fuck em.

Stop coddeling these assholes and start treating them for the vermin they are.

They started this shit and now they can pay the price of their stupidity.

Taking them to trial in New York City is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of. They should have been executed by a firing squad years ago.

Can't wait to see the media coverage on this shit. It is the USA that will be on trial not them, but the liberal media doesn't give a shit because they are all anti-american anyway.

Wonder how many innocent american citizens will get killed by the muslims while this dumb ass trial is going on.

What definition of WAR do you folks not understand?

[MintJulep]

What the fuck are you people thinking?

Screw these asshole terrorists.

Screw their Kangaroo Court Trial and the Obama Administration.

These assholes are POW's pure and simple and they should remain in custody until the War on Terror is over or until they fucking die from old age, disease or their own stupidity.

Why should we even give a shit about them?

We should keep their asses in GITMO and stop this political correctness bullshit of feeding them religious appropriate meals. They can eat what the troops eat or starve to death. Fuck em.

Stop coddeling these assholes and start treating them for the vermin they are.

They started this shit and now they can pay the price of their stupidity.

Taking them to trial in New York City is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of. They should have been executed by a firing squad years ago.

Can't wait to see the media coverage on this shit. It is the USA that will be on trial not them, but the liberal media doesn't give a shit because they are all anti-american anyway.

Wonder how many innocent american citizens will get killed by the muslims while this dumb ass trial is going on.

What definition of WAR do you folks not understand?AMEN.......

[Bill Cosby]

What the fuck are you people thinking?

Screw these asshole terrorists.

Screw their Kangaroo Court Trial and the Obama Administration.

These assholes are POW's pure and simple and they should remain in custody until the War on Terror is over or until they fucking die from old age, disease or their own stupidity.

Why should we even give a shit about them?

We should keep their asses in GITMO and stop this political correctness bullshit of feeding them religious appropriate meals. They can eat what the troops eat or starve to death. Fuck em.

Stop coddeling these assholes and start treating them for the vermin they are.

They started this shit and now they can pay the price of their stupidity.

Taking them to trial in New York City is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of. They should have been executed by a firing squad years ago.

Can't wait to see the media coverage on this shit. It is the USA that will be on trial not them, but the liberal media doesn't give a shit because they are all anti-american anyway.

Wonder how many innocent american citizens will get killed by the muslims while this dumb ass trial is going on.

What definition of WAR do you folks not understand?


Well I guess I feel yea there but this is not Iran under the shah or some other friendly dictator... Supposedly we are a nation of laws not vigilante's...

I guess cries for vengeance is only ugly when other ppl do it... :dunno:

Not everyone being detained (illegally) is a terrorist & you know that... I hope there is some justice here as after such shameful behavior we could @ least have it said that they were given a fair trial...


Keep in mind if we only gave trials to those that deserve them we likely would not have any....:thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

Well I guess I feel yea there but this is not Iran under the shah or some other friendly dictator... Supposedly we are a nation of laws not vigilante's...

I guess cries for vengeance is only ugly when other ppl do it... :dunno:

Not everyone being detained (illegally) is a terrorist & you know that... I hope there is some justice here as after such shameful behavior we could @ least have it said that they were given a fair trial...


Keep in mind if we only gave trials to those that deserve them we likely would not have any....:thumbsup:


They do not deserve nor are they eligible for trial in a civilian court; they are prisoners of war. Rightly or wrongly detained. We hold them until the end of the war and then repatriate them to their country of origin.

We don't have the time nor resources to determine if each and everyone is in fact a terrorist or just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They should be thankful they are still alive and were not executed on the battlefield or executed as spies.

These people are our enemies until such time as hostilities are over. We do not have the luxury of trying them in a criminal court and trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are guilty of anything. They were there, they were captured, therefore they are POW'S, period. Treat them as such and leave it at that.

As far as justifying torture or waterboarding? You show me the last war we fought, not including WWII, that the other side ever gave a shit about or followed the Geneva Convention and didn't torture our troops. An then you show me a country that was held accountable for violating the Geneva Convention.

[foxbaron]

Well I guess I feel yea there but this is not Iran under the shah or some other friendly dictator... Supposedly we are a nation of laws not vigilante's...

I guess cries for vengeance is only ugly when other ppl do it... :dunno:

Not everyone being detained (illegally) is a terrorist & you know that... I hope there is some justice here as after such shameful behavior we could @ least have it said that they were given a fair trial...


Keep in mind if we only gave trials to those that deserve them we likely would not have any....:thumbsup:


They do not deserve nor are they eligible for trial in a civilian court; they are prisoners of war. Rightly or wrongly detained. We hold them until the end of the war and then repatriate them to their country of origin.

We don't have the time nor resources to determine if each and everyone is in fact a terrorist or just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They should be thankful they are still alive and were not executed on the battlefield or executed as spies.

These people are our enemies until such time as hostilities are over. We do not have the luxury of trying them in a criminal court and trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are guilty of anything. They were there, they were captured, therefore they are POW'S, period. Treat them as such and leave it at that.

As far as justifying torture or waterboarding? You show me the last war we fought, not including WWII, that the other side ever gave a shit about or followed the Geneva Convention and didn't torture our troops. An then you show me a country that was held accountable for violating the Geneva Convention.

[Bill Cosby]

They do not deserve nor are they eligible for trial in a civilian court; they are prisoners of war. Rightly or wrongly detained. We hold them until the end of the war and then repatriate them to their country of origin.

We don't have the time nor resources to determine if each and everyone is in fact a terrorist or just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They should be thankful they are still alive and were not executed on the battlefield or executed as spies.

These people are our enemies until such time as hostilities are over. We do not have the luxury of trying them in a criminal court and trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are guilty of anything. They were there, they were captured, therefore they are POW'S, period. Treat them as such and leave it at that.

As far as justifying torture or waterboarding? You show me the last war we fought, not including WWII, that the other side ever gave a shit about or followed the Geneva Convention and didn't torture our troops. An then you show me a country that was held accountable for violating the Geneva Convention.

They do not deserve nor are they eligible for trial in a civilian court; they are prisoners of war. Rightly or wrongly detained. We hold them until the end of the war and then repatriate them to their country of origin.

No, sorry I am not gonna let you have it both ways here.... You can not say they are prisoners of war & yet deny the rights of the conventions....... Previously they were denied those rights by saying they were in fact NOT POWS...

We don't have the time nor resources to determine if each and everyone is in fact a terrorist or just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I do not agree that any nation has the right to grab or have given to them (by warlords for a bounty) ppl from here or anywhere & then hold them as long as they damn well pls........ Maybe if it was you or someone in your family you would understand...


As far as justifying torture or waterboarding? You show me the last war we fought, not including WWII, that the other side ever gave a shit about or followed the Geneva Convention and didn't torture our troops. An then you show me a country that was held accountable for violating the Geneva Convention

Americans were not murdered even by the nazi's- they were in POW camps.. Some abuse & murder goes on........ Ppl don't always follow the rules.. SO WHAT....

You are advocating using this as policy... Then what distinguishes us from the bad ppl?? If they fillet or cut off heads you wanna do that to??

I thought we were better than that... I thought we were not going to stoop to torturing............ Butchering & murdering... It is ok when we do it & not when they do...:thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

No, sorry I am not gonna let you have it both ways here.... You can not say they are prisoners of war & yet deny the rights of the conventions....... Previously they were denied those rights by saying they were in fact NOT POWS...



I do not agree that any nation has the right to grab or have given to them (by warlords for a bounty) ppl from here or anywhere & then hold them as long as they damn well pls........ Maybe if it was you or someone in your family you would understand...




Americans were not murdered even by the nazi's- they were in POW camps.. Some abuse & murder goes on........ Ppl don't always follow the rules.. SO WHAT....

You are advocating using this as policy... Then what distinguishes us from the bad ppl?? If they fillet or cut off heads you wanna do that to??

I thought we were better than that... I thought we were not going to stoop to torturing............ Butchering & murdering... It is ok when we do it & not when they do...:thumbsup:




You don't understand. I no longer give a shit.

They started it and they can all die for all I care and I don't care anymore the manner in which they die. Bullet, bomb, torture, turd in a punch bowl, it no longer matters to me, I just want them dead.

They will torture and kill you, your family and all your loved ones in any manner they can. They do not care so why should I.

I do not want to be better than them, I do not care anymore. I want them to understand that we can be far worse than them any day of the week and that we can turn it on as easily as we can turn it off. It's their choice.

I want to do it the Chicago way (my hometown by the way) kill one of us we kill 100 of them. Torture one of us, torture a 1,000 of them. Be worse than their own nightmares. Do worse to them than they can possibly think to do to us. Hunt them down, give them no quarter, kill them where you find them. No more interrogations, no more prisoners. Eliminate them whenever and wherever we find them; they intend to do it to us.

All this shit can stop anytime they want it to. All they have to do is quit doing what they are doing. Quit killing innocent people. Quit blowing themselves up in crowds. Quit killing folks because they don't believe in their so called god. It is their choice, not ours.

As long as they want to keep going, then fine, but don't expect us to play by any rules anymore. It is time we set our own rules and those rules are, "there are no rules". You win, there is no second place.

The hell with this higher moral ground, there is nothing moral about war. War is immoral. It is the nature of war. Only the winner gets to make the rules and the loser doesn't get to tell the winner how to act.

We damn well better win this one or all of us are dead meat, you included.

[MintJulep]

You don't understand. I no longer give a shit.

They started it and they can all die for all I care and I don't care anymore the manner in which they die. Bullet, bomb, torture, turd in a punch bowl, it no longer matters to me, I just want them dead.

They will torture and kill you, your family and all your loved ones in any manner they can. They do not care so why should I.

I do not want to be better than them, I do not care anymore. I want them to understand that we can be far worse than them any day of the week and that we can turn it on as easily as we can turn it off. It's their choice.

I want to do it the Chicago way (my hometown by the way) kill one of us we kill 100 of them. Torture one of us, torture a 1,000 of them. Be worse than their own nightmares. Do worse to them than they can possibly think to do to us. Hunt them down, give them no quarter, kill them where you find them. No more interrogations, no more prisoners. Eliminate them whenever and wherever we find them; they intend to do it to us.

All this shit can stop anytime they want it to. All they have to do is quit doing what they are doing. Quit killing innocent people. Quit blowing themselves up in crowds. Quit killing folks because they don't believe in their so called god. It is their choice, not ours.

As long as they want to keep going, then fine, but don't expect us to play by any rules anymore. It is time we set our own rules and those rules are, "there are no rules". You win, there is no second place.

The hell with this higher moral ground, there is nothing moral about war. War is immoral. It is the nature of war. Only the winner gets to make the rules and the loser doesn't get to tell the winner how to act.

We damn well better win this one or all of us are dead meat, you included. Wow. Very well said!

They can string them all upside down from the rafters for all I care.

Oderint dum metuant

"Let them hate, as long as they fear"

[Bill Cosby]

foxbaron

I understand that now..................:o

In the beginning there was one group of ppl that murdered w/out concern or remorse for man, women or child..................

Now there are two................:thumbsup:

I have heard enough of you for now.................

Hopefully you will not one day be judged-treated by the same measure you have done-advocated for others..........

[CosmicRocker]

Are the defendents simply international criminals, a world wide conspiracy to cause "criminal harm".
Or are they international warriors for Radical Islam whose sole motivation was not criminal intent ( motive) but to make an attack on the USA as an act of war on this country?

I believe they were consituted as a foreign Jihad ( warrior) who's sole purpose was to attack and destroy America, and the WTCenter was their military target.

They were covert-ops for Al_Queada who trained in miltary fashion, and carried out a conpiracy to strike America solely to do damage,
without personal gain by concerted miltary action using hijacked planes as their weapon system.
Maybe you can argue their " gain" was Paradise, but religious motivations can be the basis for a war.

They are in a war zones, and we killed them on the battlefields of Iraq and Afg.

They really are terrorists, they really want to destroy the US as their ulimate goal, so they should be tried as a foreign power that works to kill Americans, and even ppl of their own religion.
Their idelology is one of jihad against all non believers.
Jihad is war.

Military courts. It's the logical way to try foreign power soldiers of Allah.

[foxbaron]

foxbaron

I understand that now..................:o

In the beginning there was one group of ppl that murdered w/out concern or remorse for man, women or child..................

Now there are two................:thumbsup:

I have heard enough of you for now.................

Hopefully you will not one day be judged-treated by the same measure you have done-advocated for others..........


They intend to judge and treat me, as well as you, by the same measure. Regardless of what your beliefs may be you are at the same risk as I am.

Their goal is to convert you or kill you. What do you not understand about their plan?

It has not been a closely held secret of theirs it is written in their so called holy book. It is not just a religion to them it is a way of life.

[Bill Cosby]

http://www.murdoconline.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/war_is_terrorism_with_a_bigger_budget.jpg

[Bill Cosby]

They intend to judge and treat me, as well as you, by the same measure. Regardless of what your beliefs may be you are at the same risk as I am.

Their goal is to convert you or kill you. What do you not understand about their plan?

It has not been a closely held secret of theirs it is written in their so called holy book. It is not just a religion to them it is a way of life.

I understand a lot more than you do.... I already told you I heard enough of what you believe & why.............. You believe what you want as will I...

[foxbaron]

I understand a lot more than you do.... I already told you I heard enough of what you believe & why.............. You believe what you want as will I...


What is it that you understand "more than I do".

I understand they intend to kill us. Am I missing something? You know some secrets we don't?

What do you believe?

[Bill Cosby]

What is it that you understand "more than I do".

I understand they intend to kill us. Am I missing something? You know some secrets we don't?

What do you believe?
lol............ You already said you don't care so what is the point??

[foxbaron]

lol............ You already said you don't care so what is the point??


I no longer care about THEM but I would be interested in knowing what it is you know that I don't. AM I wrong in thinking their intent is to convert or kill me?

Am I wrong in thinking they intend to destroy my country?

[Bill Cosby]

You can think what ever you like....

That applies to some not all...

[serum114]

The Right's textbook "surrender to terrorists"
"We're too scared to have real trials in our country" is a level of cowardice unmatched in the world.
Glenn Greenwald

Nov. 14, 2009 |

Understanding and Combatting Terrorism, USMC Major S.M. Grass, 1989:



Terrorism is a psychological weapon and is directed to create a general climate of fear. As one definition cogently notes, "terror is a natural phenomenon, terrorism is the conscious exploitation of it." Terrorism utilizes violence to coerce governments and their people by inducing fear.



William Josiger, Fear Factor: The Impact of Terrorism on Public Opinion in the United States and Great Britain, 2006:



At its heart terrorism is about fear. While terrorist attacks destroy, maim and kill, the intended audience for these attacks is almost always the whole body politic and the terrorist's goal is to strike fear into their hearts.



GOP House Leader John Boehner, condemning Obama's decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to New York for trial, yesterday:



The Obama Administration’s irresponsible decision to prosecute the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks in New York City puts the interests of liberal special interest groups before the safety and security of the American people.



This is literally true: the Right's reaction to yesterday's announcement -- we're too afraid to allow trials and due process in our country -- is the textbook definition of "surrendering to terrorists." It's the same fear they've been spewing for years. As always, the Right's tough-guy leaders wallow in a combination of pitiful fear and cynical manipulation of the fear of their followers. Indeed, it's hard to find any group of people on the globe who exude this sort of weakness and fear more than the American Right.



People in capitals all over the world have hosted trials of high-level terrorist suspects using their normal justice system. They didn't allow fear to drive them to build island-prisons or create special commissions to depart from their rules of justice. Spain held an open trial in Madrid for the individuals accused of that country's 2004 train bombings. The British put those accused of perpetrating the London subway bombings on trial right in their normal courthouse in London. Indonesia gave public trials using standard court procedures to the individuals who bombed a nightclub in Bali. India used a Mumbai courtroom to try the sole surviving terrorist who participated in the 2008 massacre of hundreds of residents. In Argentina, the Israelis captured Adolf Eichmann, one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals, and brought him to Jerusalem to stand trial for his crimes.



It's only America's Right that is too scared of the Terrorists -- or which exploits the fears of their followers -- to insist that no regular trials can be held and that "the safety and security of the American people" mean that we cannot even have them in our country to give them trials. As usual, it's the weakest and most frightened among us who rely on the most flamboyant, theatrical displays of "strength" and "courage" to hide what they really are. Then again, this is the same political movement whose "leaders" -- people like John Cornyn and Pat Roberts -- cowardly insisted that we must ignore the Constitution in order to stay alive: the exact antithesis of the core value on which the nation was founded. Given that, it's hardly surprising that they exude a level of fear of Terrorists that is unmatched virtually anywhere in the world. It is, however, noteworthy that the position they advocate -- it's too scary to have normal trials in our country of Terrorists -- is as pure a surrender to the Terrorists as it gets.



-- Glenn Greenwald

[Bill Cosby]

Awesome post................

On the money..............

[Mr, gone]

Just look at this guy... He is obviously to stupid in masterminding much more than a bowl movement (or at most selling a deisel Mercedes). :p IMO he was picked up off the street, and merely propped up as a scapegoat for the government.

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[MintJulep]

The Right's textbook "surrender to terrorists"
"We're too scared to have real trials in our country" is a level of cowardice unmatched in the world.
It is not courageous or an act of bravery to bring murderous terrorists to U.S. soil.

It is one of stupidity and disloyalty.

[Bill Cosby]

So how did he get promoted to the mastermind........ I thought that was sadaam, right after it was binladen..........

What all did he confess to under torture???

I recall there was a bomber that ran into the empire state building..... Has he confessed to that yet???

I think cheny could get him to cop to it.........http://www.adamzyglis.com/images/cartoon217.jpg

[Bill Cosby]

It is not courageous or an act of bravery to bring murderous terrorists to U.S. soil.

It is one of stupidity and disloyalty.

So is it cool to bring the other ones here???? :confused: \\

[serum114]

It is not courageous or an act of bravery to bring murderous terrorists to U.S. soil.

It is one of stupidity and disloyalty.

As the piece says it's complete cowardice on the part of the right to completely disregard the constitution due to fear. It achieves nothing but empower the terrorist by giving up the constitutional rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to everyone citizen or not. The crimes were committed on US soil and should be punished on US soil.

[MintJulep]

As the piece says it's complete cowardice on the part of the right to completely disregard the constitution due to fear. It achieves nothing but empower the terrorist by giving up the constitutional rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to everyone citizen or not. The crimes were committed on US soil and should be punished on US soil.Foreign enemy combatants are not protected under the U.S. Constitution and have never been in history. Terrorists are NOT covered by the United States Constitution. This is UNPRECEDENTED and the worst decision by a sitting President in HISTORY.

By equating the mass murder of civilians with conventional American criminals, Imam Obama is honoring it.

[Bill Cosby]

Here is some food for thought....


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[doctordog]

Foreign enemy combatants are not protected under the U.S. Constitution and have never been in history. Terrorists are NOT covered by the United States Constitution. This is UNPRECEDENTED and the worst decision by a sitting President in HISTORY.

By equating the mass murder of civilians with conventional American criminals, Imam Obama is honoring it.

Two words: He's Muslim

[MintJulep]

Two words: He's MuslimThe Magic Mooslem. :lmao2:

[doctordog]

The Magic Mooslem. :lmao2:

We will now have a peanut farmer and a muslim as th two worst Presidents in history.

[MintJulep]

We will now have a peanut farmer and a muslim as th two worst Presidents in history.:lmao2: :lmao2:

[BlackAsCoal]

I have a question?

How does he not get a trial?

[Moby]

Two words: He's Muslim
OK, so now we have a toss up for the stupidest post this year. I thought it would go to Frank but this is certainly in contention.

[MintJulep]

OK, so now we have a toss up for the stupidest post this year. I thought it would go to Frank but this is certainly in contention.Moby, do you not see how people would be angry about this? It is unreasonable to want to ensure our safety and respect those who lost loved ones on 9/11?

[Moby]

Moby, do you not see how people would be angry about this? It is unreasonable to want to ensure our safety and respect those who lost loved ones on 9/11?
What does that have to do with claiming that the President is Muslim?

Sorry but it seems the President is following the Rule Of Law that so many claim is important. He didn't make the laws.

[Socialist_Revolution]

Two words: He's Muslim
When was he a muslim, last i knew he was born in Hawaii and a natural born citizen...even if the ignorant notion of him being born in Kenya were true, which it is not, still dont make him a muslim.

Oh wait you probably believe that ignorant hogwash of how he supposedly took his senate oath on the Koran...sorry NEVER HAPPENED! already been debunked UNLESS you would like to show VISUAL proof that it happened.

[doctordog]

When was he a muslim, last i knew he was born in Hawaii and a natural born citizen...even if the ignorant notion of him being born in Kenya were true, which it is not, still dont make him a muslim.

Oh wait you probably believe that ignorant hogwash of how he supposedly took his senate oath on the Koran...sorry NEVER HAPPENED! already been debunked UNLESS you would like to show VISUAL proof that it happened.

He was raised Muslim before converting to the Christian faith. His father is muslim. He gives muslim leaders much more respect than they deserve, ever wonder why? Of course not, liberals don't care about safety, they are not about standing tall.

[Bill Cosby]

He was raised Muslim before converting to the Christian faith. His father is muslim. He gives muslim leaders much more respect than they deserve, ever wonder why? Of course not, liberals don't care about safety, they are not about standing tall.

I don't think he gives them more than they deserve............ Them being Arab or Muslim should have nothing to do w/ it...............

Maybe some might think bush showed to much respect kissing those Arab men........... :dunno:

Proff he is a muslim swearin an oath on the qarAn..

[Socialist_Revolution]

I don't think he gives them more than they deserve............ Them being Arab or Muslim should have nothing to do w/ it...............

Maybe some might think bush showed to much respect kissing those Arab men........... :dunno:

Proff he is a muslim swearin an oath on the qarAn..
hahaha...nice...I see the shoddy photoshop work, Obama's head does not fit the body and you see the chin area of someone else underneath obamas face.:lmao2: :taunt: :thumbsup:

[MintJulep]

He was raised Muslim before converting to the Christian faith. His father is muslim. He gives muslim leaders much more respect than they deserve, ever wonder why? Of course not, liberals don't care about safety, they are not about standing tall.And in the Muslim world, if you have a Muslim father, you are always a Muslim.

[Bill Cosby]

And in the Muslim world, if you have a Muslim father, you are always a Muslim.

I guess we got lucky he was not born in the mooslem world........lol

[MintJulep]

I guess we got lucky he was not born in the mooslem world........lolHe was born to a Muslim father and went to a Muslim school. You don't get much closer than that.

[Bill Cosby]

& non-religious folks like yourself care???

It does not really matter in the least IMHO.................

If he went to Catholic school or a baptist seminary... :dunno:

He is what he is............

So you got 7 more years to complain about it...........

[doctordog]

& non-religious folks like yourself care???

It does not really matter in the least IMHO.................

If he went to Catholic school or a baptist seminary... :dunno:

He is what he is............

So you got 7 more years to complain about it...........

3.3 years and not a day more:thumbsup:

[MintJulep]

3.3 years and not a day more:thumbsup:Not one. :thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

HAhahheeeee................ Wishful thinking............... lol