A new kind of military

[LadyMod at scam.com]

I was thinking yesterday that we have this military thing all wrong. Maybe instead of a "volunteer army" that the GOP can make grandiose "patriotic" blackmail speeches about, (You know the ones, support the war for the troops or you are unAmerican.) we could revamp the whole thing and make it a "Professional Army". Good salaries and benefits and treat it like a job, no promises of college educations that they might never get to take, or VA loans that they can't use or crappy VA hospitals unless they drastically upgrade them, and no commecary or bases, just pay them enough to shop and live amongst the civilian population . Professional soldiers. Don't get killed and you get a raise every year. Start them out at $80K a year for training, when they go to fight double it.

Wouldn't that make more sense? At least then our soldiers might get a fair shake and the administration couldn't use them for blatant propaganda purposes.

Let's face it, that's all they are basically doing now but the soldiers aren't compensated nearly so well for their services.

LM

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[Kinky Jones]

we already have that type of military in Iraq, outfits like Blackwater and quite a few others... we should leave them there and pull the volunteers out asap

just like everything else in the US the wars in Iraq and that one something stan place that nobody remembers have been privatized for profit, I know a couple guys that went back after getting out of the Marines to Iraq and will be retired or close to it after doing a few "private security" tours over there

[LadyMod at scam.com]

we already have that type of military in Iraq, outfits like Blackwater and quite a few others... we should leave them there and pull the volunteers out asap

just like everything else in the US the wars in Iraq and that one something stan place that nobody remembers have been privatized for profit, I know a couple guys that went back after getting out of the Marines to Iraq and will be retired or close to it after doing a few "private security" tours over there

Touce'. But if we just put it on a larger scale and stop calling it "volunteer" and wrapping it in a flag it would at least be a more honest portrayal of it.


LM

[kres24GT]

I was thinking yesterday that we have this military thing all wrong. Maybe instead of a "volunteer army" that the GOP can make grandiose "patriotic" blackmail speeches about, (You know the ones, support the war for the troops or you are unAmerican.) we could revamp the whole thing and make it a "Professional Army". Good salaries and benefits and treat it like a job, no promises of college educations that they might never get to take, or VA loans that they can't use or crappy VA hospitals unless they drastically upgrade them, and no commecary or bases, just pay them enough to shop and live amongst the civilian population . Professional soldiers. Don't get killed and you get a raise every year. Start them out at $80K a year for training, when they go to fight double it.

Wouldn't that make more sense? At least then our soldiers might get a fair shake and the administration couldn't use them for blatant propaganda purposes.

Let's face it, that's all they are basically doing now but the soldiers aren't compensated nearly so well for their services.

LM

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You obviously weren't in the military.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

You obviously weren't in the military.


LOL, we weren't at war and women were not actively recruited for fighting when I was younger.



LM

[kres24GT]

LOL, we weren't at war and women were not actively recruited for fighting when I was younger.



LM


No shame in it, as an 8 year USMC Vet I can tell you your scenario is not plausible.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

No shame in it, as an 8 year USMC Vet I can tell you your scenario is not plausible.

Pity that it isn't. In Hollywood it would be! LOL


LM

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[kres24GT]

Pity that it isn't. In Hollywood it would be! LOL


LM

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People have a Hollywood idea of soldiers and wars. It's not that way in reality. To have an effective military you have to do some fucked up stuff, it's just the way it is.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

To have an effective military you have to do some fucked up stuff, it's just the way it is.

Now that much I do know.

I know that sometimes you have to stage an attack, blame it on the enemy, to justify a war.

I know it happened several years ago when all those oil wells were exploded. But I'll never tell which special OPS guy I got that info from.

LM

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[kres24GT]

Now that much I do know.

I know that sometimes you have to stage an attack, blame it on the enemy, to justify a war.

I know it happened several years ago when all those oil wells were exploded. But I'll never tell which special OPS guy I got that info from.

LM

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I am leaving the politics out of it. Just talking about training and engaging in combat. It's not pretty.

[Linkster]

Going a step further - how bout if we just follow the law and get rid of the military since its illegal to have a "constantly manned military" like we do right now
The Constitution is very specific when we can set up and call out a military and we havent been there for some time - basically many have just forgotten that the government isnt allowed to have this "volunteer military" and allowed it to happen - thats what happens when children are no longer taught the history of the US and the content of the documents that formed the republic

[kres24GT]

Going a step further - how bout if we just follow the law and get rid of the military since its illegal to have a "constantly manned military" like we do right now
The Constitution is very specific when we can set up and call out a military and we havent been there for some time - basically many have just forgotten that the government isnt allowed to have this "volunteer military" and allowed it to happen - thats what happens when children are no longer taught the history of the US and the content of the documents that formed the republic


90% of our federal government is unconstitutional, we no longer follow this document, it's a fact of life.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

90% of our federal government is unconstitutional, we no longer follow this document, it's a fact of life.

Sucks doesn't it?


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[kres24GT]

Sucks doesn't it?


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For me it does. For most Americans, no. Most Americans like big government, they don't want a constitutional government.

[Kinky Jones]

Touce'. But if we just put it on a larger scale and stop calling it "volunteer" and wrapping it in a flag it would at least be a more honest portrayal of it.


LM

imo a better way of solving the problem is not to send our volunteers to war unless it is for good reasons, not for profit :( the problem isn't our military it is the people in control of it... and most US citizens don't know that for every volunteer we are paying thru taxes we are also paying a hired "private security" person to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, they call it private because we have been trained to believe that anything "private" we arent paying for thru taxes :banghead:

imagine the money the people paying big amounts of money to our mercenaries our making themselves, it's in the billions, that is where all our money is going, not to our troops and certainly not to the Iraqis, they were literally backing up trucks full of cash and handing it over to private firms, all of which can never be tracked and has been written off as "lost" or "stolen by the Iraqis"

[Southern Man]

I was thinking yesterday that we have this military thing all wrong. Maybe instead of a "volunteer army" that the GOP can make grandiose "patriotic" blackmail speeches about, (You know the ones, support the war for the troops or you are unAmerican.) we could revamp the whole thing and make it a "Professional Army". Good salaries and benefits and treat it like a job, no promises of college educations that they might never get to take, or VA loans that they can't use or crappy VA hospitals unless they drastically upgrade them, and no commecary or bases, just pay them enough to shop and live amongst the civilian population . Professional soldiers. Don't get killed and you get a raise every year. Start them out at $80K a year for training, when they go to fight double it.

Wouldn't that make more sense? At least then our soldiers might get a fair shake and the administration couldn't use them for blatant propaganda purposes.

Let's face it, that's all they are basically doing now but the soldiers aren't compensated nearly so well for their services.

LM

. I agree that they don' make enough money, but $80K to start? That doesn't make sense. I think we should double their pay, though.

[Linkster]

Why not $80k? thats less than what the mercernaries we hired (130,000 of them in Iraq right now) are making - why do you think there is so much worry when congress doesnt pass the war funding - they cant pay the hired soldiers - regular military pay comes out of a different budget that is already approved, which is why its funny listening to the idiots of TV and radio ranting about not supporting the troops - the only troops we dont support when we dont pass war funding are the guys over there making $180k a year working as contract mercernaries

[Southern Man]

Because experience is valuable.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Because experience is valuable.

Exactly. We would be training a professional army of mercenaries. It's gonna have to be much more indepth and intense training than what is currently called training now.

Home grown mercenaries wrapped in patriotism and love of country, paid enough so that they are less tempted to change loyalties.

Good jobs are hard to find, if you want the best, you gotta pay more. 80K is nothing compared to what a person could make outside the military and not risk their life playing games of war and conquest or going to the competition.


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[Linkster]

So the impression Im getting is that we should trash the Constitution and allow a standing army?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

So the impression Im getting is that we should trash the Constitution and allow a standing army?

We have already been doing that for decades.

I'm just saying stop glorifying it under the flag of patriotism and call it what it is and change the pay structure so we have professionals doing the job instead of mere boys and girls.

Lady Mod

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[Linkster]

Wouldnt it be better to take action to force the congressmen to actually enforce the constitution and get rid of the standing army? Seems a more responsible move since about a third of our economy derives from the military and would certainly get rid of an awful lot of corruption

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Wouldnt it be better to take action to force the congressmen to actually enforce the constitution and get rid of the standing army? Seems a more responsible move since about a third of our economy derives from the military and would certainly get rid of an awful lot of corruption

Absolutely it would be better. However, it would be easier and less expensive to satisfy their whim for a military because they will NEVER stop creating wars. We just need to downsize it and refine the fighters into real killing machines.

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[Kinky Jones]

Because experience is valuable.

it is priceless right now with military recruiting down and nobody re-upping because the ones that would are going private to get paid good... our volunteers should be getting a huge chunk of that money but dubya didn't even want to give them an extra .5% awhile back, 3% was sufficient 3.5% was too much for them :(

yeah Linkster Paul Revere would sure be out of a job these days... we can't rule the planet without a million people locked into contract to fight though