At least seven killed in shooting at Fort Hood in Texas

[Moby]

WTF?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/fort-hood-shooting-texas
A mass shooting at a military base in Texas has left seven people dead and 12 injured, according to reports.

Speaking on CNN, lieutenant general Russel Honore, a former commander general at the Fort Hood compound, said he had been told that two men, armed with M16 rifles, carried out the attack.

"One was neutralised and the other was cornered," he said.

The military base is currently on lockdown, with no vehicles allowed in or out of the compound.

Jamie Posten, a sergeant major based at Fort Hood, confirmed there were multiple gunmen but could not say if the suspects were civilians or army personnel.

He told CNN: "More than one shooter fired shots in our soldier registration processing centre and the house theatre at Fort Hood."

Posten confirmed that one man was being held in custody in relation to the incident, but he could not give any information about the other gunman or gunmen.

Fort Hood is a sprawling 340 square mile military installation situated 50 miles south of Waco.

It houses some 4,929 active duty officers and 45,414 enlisted members of the army.

[MintJulep]

Shooter identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

[MarkMiller]

At a press conference just broadcast on CNN, it was reported by a military spokesman, Lt. Gen. Bob Cohen, that the gunmen were in fact U.S. soldiers. They were not disguised terrorists. The primary gunman was using two weapons, both handguns.

http://www.huliq.com/3257/88487/tragedy-fort-hood-12-dead-mass-shooting

[MarkMiller]

ABC News indentified the shooter as Maj. Malik Hassan.

http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/69305427.html

[MarkMiller]

Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded .

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938

[doctordog]

Shooter identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Interesting name, I would love to know more about his heritage.

[MintJulep]

Interesting name, I would love to know more about his heritage.Very interesting.

[MintJulep]

An officer. Not suffering from PTSD, a deliberate act of execution. Shot victims execution style.

[MarkMiller]

Interesting name, I would love to know more about his heritage.

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Hassan-family-history.ashx

[America]

Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base in a murderous rampage that officials believe was carried out by an Army officer.

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, told Fox News that military sources informed her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

The general said there were "eyewitness accounts of more than one shooter," and the others were tracked to an adjacent facility.

Cone called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning." He said the community was "absolutely devastated."

President Obama called the Fort Hood shootings a "horrific outburst of violence."

"It is difficult enough to lose" soldiers overseas, but it is "horrifying that they should lose their lives at an Army base in the U.S.," he said.

"My prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen," said the president.

President Obama also offered his help to Cone.

"We know this is a tremendous tragedy down there," the president told Gen. Cone, according to a White House official. "Our thoughts are with you and all your soldiers."

The Senate and the House of Representatives held a moment of silence this evening for the victims of the Fort Hood massacre.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry ordered flags be flown at half mast until Sunday.

Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear.

Fort Hood, located just 60 miles north from Austin, is the largest U.S. military installation in the world, and has suffered the greatest number of casualities of all American bases in the war on Iraq.

The base is a 340 sq. mile facility located in Killeen, Texas and is home to the 1st Cavalry Division, which was one of the first groups of soldiers deployed to Iraq.

Cone said that a gunman entered a facility known as the Soldier Readiness Facility, where soldiers who are preparing to deploy go for last minute medical check ups and dental treatment. Sources told ABC News that the soldiers gathered there were getting ready to deploy to Iraq.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

"The gunman opened fire and essentially due to the quick respond of the police forces was killed," said Cone.

The shooter was killed by civilian law enforcement and one police officer died in the shootout, Cone said.

The gunman's suspected accomplices were taken into custody in an adjacent facility known as the old SportsDome Complex.


Link:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938

[MintJulep]

A Muslim. Is this more Jihad at Ft. Hood?

[MarkMiller]

A Muslim. Is this more Jihad at Ft. Hood?
No. Fox News just reported that Major Hassan was a psychiatrist reassigned from Walter Reed Hospital.

They are also confirming that this is a localised situation and not terrorism.

There is no confirmation yet as to the Major's religious background. He was the one shot and killed by civilian police.

[America]

Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan

Post it on your facebook myspace etc...

Email all your friends

Since this website wants to censor you like all librals do.

[MarkMiller]

Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan

Post it on your facebook myspace etc...

Email all your friends

Since this website wants to censor you like all librals do.
Stop.

Do not take this opportunity to attack Muslims. We DO NOT KNOW what the shooters religious background was yet.

THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE!

[Smurf-Herder]

I just walked in on this on TV, getting home late from work.

This is a weird one. Not terrorist related, yet pre-planned, with at least one accomplice. And a psychiatrist; killing people execution style, firing 45 to 50 rounds.

[MarkMiller]

I just walked in on this on TV, getting home late from work.

This is a weird one. Not terrorist related, yet pre-planned, with at least one accomplice. And a psychiatrist; killing people execution style, firing 45 to 50 rounds.
Good to see you back.

[Smurf-Herder]

Good to see you back.

Yeah, I'm here.

The topics kinda seemed mundane recently and were a lot to catch up on, when I looked. Every now and then I gotta take a break from the relentless arguing.

[MintJulep]

No. Fox News just reported that Major Hassan was a psychiatrist reassigned from Walter Reed Hospital.

They are also confirming that this is a localised situation and not terrorism.

There is no confirmation yet as to the Major's religious background. He was the one shot and killed by civilian police.No one knows if this is his birth name or he he converted to Islam and changed it. I'm simply wondering if this could be an orchestrated jihad from the inside. I don't know, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. There have been similar incidents like this before, one I recall, some doctors with bombs in a car at an airport.

[MarkMiller]

No one knows if this is his birth name or he he converted to Islam and changed it. I'm simply wondering if this could be an orchestrated jihad from the inside. I don't know, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. There have been similar incidents like this before, one I recall, some doctors with bombs in a car at an airport.
I found this;


Edit. The age of the gunman has been established as 39. It could not be the person from the information I had found. I have removed the info.

[America]

Stop.

Do not take this opportunity to attack Muslims. We DO NOT KNOW what the shooters religious background was yet.

THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE!

Keep Dreaming

they are saying he was a Muslim Convert.

Keep watching CNN


Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan

[MarkMiller]

Keep Dreaming

they are saying he was a Muslim Convert.

Keep watching CNN


Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan
This is not a partisan debate.

[Bill Cosby]

Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan

Post it on your facebook myspace etc...

Email all your friends

Since this website wants to censor you like all librals do.

You were not censored son............ You were merged for posting the same damn thread......... Mark had already posted the same link.....................

You wanna cry about his name have it......... But we don't need multiple posts on the same topic now do we???

[MintJulep]

Keep Dreaming

they are saying he was a Muslim Convert.

Malik Nadal HasanYep.......

[bairdi]

This is not a partisan debate.
You are absolutely right Mark, but I guarantee you that before this is all over at least one or two posters will try to make this a partisan debate. I also have no doubt that someone will also try to make some type of negative connection to Obama concerning this shooting. And finally I predict that within a week you will read some bullshit post referencing an article from gatewaypundit spinning this shooting.

[magialuna]

I find it interesting that they chose the area where units are preparing to deploy. Up until I heard that I was thinking this might be someone pissed off at co-workers.

[MarkMiller]

Yep.......
Can we confirm this with a link?

[MarkMiller]

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

[Bill Cosby]

You are absolutely right Mark, but I guarantee you that before this is all over at least one or two posters will try to make this a partisan debate. I also have no doubt that someone will also try to make some type of negative connection to Obama concerning this shooting. And finally I predict that within a week you will read some bullshit post referencing an article from gatewaypundit spinning this shooting.

Yea I can see the connections now... If you take both their first & last names & cross them 3 times while facing mecca it will spell out jihad in Persian, Dutch & Portuguese..

So if he is a convert it will be his religion........ If he is actually Arab then it will be that "fact" + he is a MUZZLIM

Something like that you're thinking???

[MintJulep]

Can we confirm this with a link?I heard it on CNN and FOX.

[MarkMiller]

I heard it on CNN and FOX.
I haven't seen this reported yet. I have seen it spread across the internet.

How do we know this isn't a muslin terrorist plot?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41U%2BiC-EumL._SS500_.jpg

[MintJulep]

I haven't seen this reported yet. I have seen it spread across the internet.

How do we know this isn't a muslin terrorist plot?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41U%2BiC-EumL._SS500_.jpg:lmao2: :lmao2:

Okay, that did make me chuckle.......

[MarkMiller]

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Okay, that did make me chuckle.......
;)....... :D

[Frankg]

You are absolutely right Mark, but I guarantee you that before this is all over at least one or two posters will try to make this a partisan debate. I also have no doubt that someone will also try to make some type of negative connection to Obama concerning this shooting. And finally I predict that within a week you will read some bullshit post referencing an article from gatewaypundit spinning this shooting.

I never would've thought about that if you hadn't have brought it up Bairdi , but this is the SECOND terrorist attack on obama's watch .

Could be , obama was behind it , after all he does hate the military. It is part of his muslim upbringing .

Quite understandable.

[Smurf-Herder]

I just heard he was born in Jordan; and a Colonel on Fox that worked with him at Walter Reed is saying something about a previous investigation and questions why he was transferred to Fort Hood.

[bairdi]

I never would've thought about that if you hadn't have brought it up Bairdi , but this is the SECOND terrorist attack on obama's watch .

Could be , obama was behind it , after all he does hate the military. It is part of his muslim upbringing .

Quite understandable.
Bingo! We have a winner. Never would have thought about that? Yeah frankie.

[magialuna]

"A defense official told NBC News that Hasan arrived at Fort Hood in July for his first assignment after completing his psychiatry residency at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, followed by a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry.

Hasan, who was 39 or 40, was scheduled to be deployed to Iraq on Nov. 28, officials said. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said military officials had told her that Hasan was “pretty upset” about his deployment orders."

link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001)

Isn't that kind of...umm..how to sound PC..advanced age for completing a residency? (I'm old, so I'm not bad mouthing folks getting late starts.)

[MarkMiller]

I never would've thought about that if you hadn't have brought it up Bairdi , but this is the SECOND terrorist attack on obama's watch .

Could be , obama was behind it , after all he does hate the military. It is part of his muslim upbringing .

Quite understandable.

What the fuck is this guy talking about?

[Bill Cosby]

Bingo! We have a winner. Never would have thought about that? Yeah frankie.
Special occasions like require special ppl like FranK...

Couldn't you just sense the joy he felt expressing & insinuating... He if we find out the guy was Arab he may not even need his viagra tonight.......:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

The shooter's cousin was just on the phone with Fox. The guy was already a Muslim before he joined the army. Also, something about complaints filed against him at Walter Reed, just before his transfer. After a few questions he had to leave - like somebody was telling him to get off the phone.

[Bill Cosby]

What the fuck is this guy talking about?

I think he is talking about what Obama learned in MuslIm terrorist elementary school in Kenya as a boy..

bairdi no sooner predicted some nut would show up & make hysterical accusations then "guess who" shows up................:hi:

Yea timing is everything...

[MarkMiller]

I think he is talking about what Obama learned in MuslIm terrorist elementary school in Kenya as a boy..

bairdi no sooner predicted some nut would show up & make hysterical accusations then "guess who" shows up................:hi:

Yea timing is everything...
Ooooookie dokey.

[serum114]

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[MarkMiller]

This may not have been a conspiracy.

This may have been a lone person.

The two apprehended have been released.

According to KCRA Channel 3. NBC. Sacramento.

[Smurf-Herder]

This may not have been a conspiracy.

This may have been a lone person.

The two apprehended have been released.

According to KCRA Channel 3. NBC. Sacramento.

A third has just been taken in for questioning.

[MarkMiller]

A third has just been taken in for questioning.
Thanks for the update!

[magialuna]

Thanks for the update!

Do you have me on ignore?

[MarkMiller]

Do you have me on ignore?
LOL! NO....we posted at the same time...but mine was above yours hiding it (on my screen)...I just looked to see what you meant!

Or are you not able to PM me?

[Smurf-Herder]

Thanks for the update!

There's also an unconfirmed report popping up, about his calling for Muslims in the US to rise up. But like I said, it hasn't been confirmed.

I think the key in this is if others were involved. Originally, small arms fire and automatic weapons fire was reported. And this guy only had two 9mm pistols.

[MarkMiller]

There's also an unconfirmed report popping up, about his calling for Muslims in the US to rise up. But like I said, it hasn't been confirmed.

I think the key in this is if others were involved. Originally, small arms fire and automatic weapons fire was reported. And this guy only had two 9mm pistols.
I saw reports that a gunman opened fire at a theatre on base but no confirmation on that either.

[Smurf-Herder]

I saw reports that a gunman opened fire at a theatre on base but no confirmation on that either.


Fox News awaiting press conference from Fort Hood sometime soon. Hopefully we'll get some confirmed details.

--- 6 months ago he blogged about equating suicide bombers to soldiers - according to Fox reporting the latest on the news wires.

[Moby]

Since this website wants to censor you like all librals do.
What the fuck are you talking about Dick Head? Have you ever had a reasonable thought in your entire life?

Only a fuck head would try to use this for his political hate. You are possibly the most disgusting person I've ever seen on any board any where.

Go the fuck away.

[Moby]

I never would've thought about that if you hadn't have brought it up Bairdi , but this is the SECOND terrorist attack on obama's watch .

Could be , obama was behind it , after all he does hate the military. It is part of his muslim upbringing .

Quite understandable.
You are insane Frank. Get help soon.

[America]

What the fuck are you talking about Dick Head? Have you ever had a reasonable thought in your entire life?

Only a fuck head would try to use this for his political hate. You are possibly the most disgusting person I've ever seen on any board any where.

Go the fuck away.

Typical try to censor those that you disagree with - or is this one of your people :thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

Maj. Hasan is still alive - everybody got that part wrong. And apparently he was the only shooter, according to the press conference. Everybody else taken into custody have been released.

[Boogie man]

He was upset about Muslims in Iraq and the US military. In my opinion, this is clearly an act of Islamic terrorism.

[MarkMiller]

Maj. Hasan is still alive - everybody got that part wrong. And apparently he was the only shooter, according to the press conference. Everybody else taken into custody have been released.
Just heard it on the news.

[Smurf-Herder]

On Anderson Cooper 360, they're saying he was investigated by the feds for Internet postings; and his apartment is now surrounded and a swat team is involved.

I can't wait 'til we get more details.

[MarkMiller]

On Anderson Cooper 360, they're saying he was investigated by the feds for Internet postings; and his apartment is now surrounded and a swat team is involved.

I can't wait 'til we get more details.
Probably posts at AWE! LOL!

[Smurf-Herder]

Probably posts at AWE! LOL!

I think this is what they're talking about:

Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree?

UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: Sources tell the Associated Press that Nidal Malik Hasan came “to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.” So… read on.

Original post made at 7:37 p.m.

We should really, really keep in mind the possibility that Nidal Hasan may not be as uncommon a name as the average American might assume. Still, an interesting comment was made by a “NidalHasan” on May 20, 2009 on a document published on the document hosting service, Scribd.com. The document was titled, “Martyrdom in Islam vs. Suicide Bombing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3989813/Martyrdom-in-Islam-Versus-Suicide-Bombing).” Regarding the content of the document, “NidalHasan” wrote the following:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis was added. Again, the name could have been a complete coincidence, but it’s hard to ignore at the moment, considering the psychological insight offered in the comment above and how the bolded portion raises a few hairs on the back of the neck when you consider that a Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly killed and injured a total of 43 people at Fort Hood today. If you are a different Nidal Hasan currently googling your name and freaking the fuck out and you were the guy who made this comment, let us know.

http://assme.org/2009/11/05/pure-speculation-did-nidal-malik-hasan-telegraph-his-shooting-spree/

BTW, CNN is now talking about reports of his giving away his furniture today.

[Socialist_Revolution]

Keep Dreaming

they are saying he was a Muslim Convert.

Keep watching CNN


Let make sure everyone knows this name:

Malik Nadal Hasan
oh yeah cause we ALL know ALL muslims are evil terrorists bastards out to kill americans and they all should be killed themselves!:banghead:

[magialuna]

CNN just interviewed the shooter's cousin, and he stated that the Mjr. confided in him that he'd been trying to get out of the military since 2001. He advised that because he was Arab American and Muslim he was constantly catching cr*p from everyone around him, and he just wanted out.

That's some major stress to carry for so long.

[Socialist_Revolution]

CNN just interviewed the shooter's cousin, and he stated that the Mjr. confided in him that he'd been trying to get out of the military since 2001. He advised that because he was Arab American and Muslim he was constantly catching cr*p from everyone around him, and he just wanted out.

That's some major stress to carry for so long.
Agreed! If I was getting shit on for 8 years just because of my ethnic background I would probably lose it myself...not saying it is right but that it is human nature, we can only take so much before snapping. That is why I get so sick of seeing these narrow minded bigoted cowards on this and other boards lumping ALL muslims as evil terrorists that either need to be jailed or killed and have no civil rights as humans...makes me sick to my stomach and ashamed to be an American.

[magialuna]

I goofed. I meant to type Jordanian American not Arab American, sorry.

[Bill Cosby]

Agreed! If I was getting shit on for 8 years just because of my ethnic background I would probably lose it myself...not saying it is right but that it is human nature, we can only take so much before snapping. That is why I get so sick of seeing these narrow minded bigoted cowards on this and other boards lumping ALL muslims as evil terrorists that either need to be jailed or killed and have no civil rights as humans...makes me sick to my stomach and ashamed to be an American.

This has happen before.... I recall hearing a story of a soldier serving in Vietnam....... He was Asain (Chinese) & forced to work as a cook, not his MOS... & he was harassed day & night.... As the soldiers came through the chow line they would point @ him & taunt him, saying he looked like the enemy ect...

He finally snapped............

The same has came down on many good men (of all races, ethnicity, color & religion....... During WW2 several pacifist were beaten to death) & some of the other ones to I guess..............

Personally I don't think about it like that........... Afterall why should I be proud to be an American??? What did I do to accomplish it, other than being born here, which I had no choice in.... WTF???

For me it is ppl w/ your kinda attitude that I can cling to & say that is the kinda American I could be proud of... Justice over vengeance & common sense over anger.............

Peace out my brotha'

[mtz]

lumping ALL muslims as evil terrorists that either need to be jailed or killed and have no civil rights as humans

Pisses me off too, but out of curiosity...how do you feel about lumping Christians into a group to be hated and despised??

Just a question of curiosity, nothing more.

[Smurf-Herder]

Here's a good story on him.

Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect

WASHINGTON (AP) - His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.

Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091106/D9BPVF300.html

[hdmarketing]

Ft. Hood suspect reportedly shouted `Allahu Akbar' (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting)


FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

[Brian-W]

I never would've thought about that if you hadn't have brought it up Bairdi , but this is the SECOND terrorist attack on obama's watch .

Could be , obama was behind it , after all he does hate the military. It is part of his muslim upbringing .


:lmao2: :lmao2:
Quite understandable.

So the Virginia Tech Massacre qualifies as a terrorist attack under GWB's watch?

So much for keeping us safe.

[BlackAsCoal]

This is what's called "blowback" and the soldiers who died are called "collateral damage" and the muslim community should easily forget that it ever happened.

Such is the American way.

That's exactly how we deal with the murders of innocent people we mass-murder.

I don't condone this horror .. but nor do I condone the horrors we visit on innocent people.

[Socialist_Revolution]

Pisses me off too, but out of curiosity...how do you feel about lumping Christians into a group to be hated and despised??

Just a question of curiosity, nothing more.
I have never heard of that but if it does that is not right either. There are radicals in all factions of life but to label all as bad radicals is unfair, dare I say Ignorant stereotyping.

[MintJulep]

There are radicals in all factions of life but to label all as bad radicals is unfair, dare I say Ignorant stereotyping.Right. Terrorists have feelings too. :(

[Socialist_Revolution]

Right. Terrorists have feelings too. :(
yeah we know...you feel all muslims are terrorists and don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us:banghead:

[Bill Cosby]

This is what's called "blowback" and the soldiers who died are called "collateral damage" and the muslim community should easily forget that it ever happened.

Such is the American way.

That's exactly how we deal with the murders of innocent people we mass-murder.

I don't condone this horror .. but nor do I condone the horrors we visit on innocent people.

Unfortunately that is often the case............. The innocent ppl killed, maimed, homeless or fatherless are mere nameless #'s who's problems are not our concern & their suffering for our convenience is just a fact of life which they must contend..

If it is our will then so be it... There is no cost to high to appease our anger or to fulfill our every desire.. The "bad countries" can murder their Muslim minorities, murder Tibetans & murder their own students in Tienanmen square... While the "good countries" righteously go to Panama & kill hundreds to get one man....... Kill thousands in Afghani-NAM to get one man or go into IraQ & kill hundreds of thousands & leave millions displaced & homeless to get just one man...

[Moby]

Agreed! If I was getting shit on for 8 years just because of my ethnic background I would probably lose it myself...not saying it is right but that it is human nature, we can only take so much before snapping.
We all know about the horrendous conditions at Walter Reed even if we choose to ignore them. However, this doesn't account for this man's actions. He was fucking nuts.

[Zebulon0351]

I want to send a big "Fuck you" out to the few of you who have already tried to politicize this event.

Some of you are not worthy to be Americans.

[Socialist_Revolution]

I want to send a big "Fuck you" out to the few of you who have already tried to politicize this event.

Some of you are not worthy to be Americans.
AGREED..such is the reason for my disgust of the responses of Mint, FrankG and others of that ilk.

[Moby]

I want to send a big "Fuck you" out to the few of you who have already tried to politicize this event.

Some of you are not worthy to be Americans.
Exactly. Newt Gingrich, who I thought had some good ideas tried to politicize the school shootings at Virginia Tech and lost the last bit of respect that I had for the man. It was really disgusting then and it's disgusting to see people do it now.

[Parade Rain]

Exactly. Newt Gingrich, who I thought had some good ideas tried to politicize the school shootings at Virginia Tech and lost the last bit of respect that I had for the man. It was really disgusting then and it's disgusting to see people do it now.

You mean like this?

WND's Jerome Corsi Claims Fort Hood Shooter Advised Obama [UPDATE]

Well, if you were wondering what paranoiac smear artist would be the first to step out and attempt to name President Barack Obama as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Fort Hood yesterday, the answer -- naturally! -- is Jerome Corsi. Corsi has a long history of lunatic, fact-averse ravings and he fails to disappoint on that regard on the pages of World Net Daily, today, in a piece entitled "Shooter advised Obama transition." Except, of course, he didn't do any such thing.

Corsi hangs his entire allegation on a document produced on May 19, 2009 by The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute entitled "Thinking Anew, Security Priorities For The Next Administration." In that document, Nidal Hasan is listed, on page 29, as a "Task Force Event Participant." He was one of hundreds of people listed as a "participant." Significantly, Nidal was not the author of the document. He was not a member of the HSPI's "Presidential Transition Task Force." Nor was he a member of the HSPI's "Task Force Staff." He was not a member of the HSPI's Steering Committee or a briefer to the task force.

Also, the activities of the HSPI here do not in anyway constitute official transition advice to the White House, despite the fact that a committee got named the "Presidential Transition Task Force" and the HSPI's activities involved identifying homeland security priorities and offering advice. Here is what the HSPI does:

Founded in 2003, The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) is a nonpartisan "think and do" tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach. By convening domestic and international policymakers and practitioners at all levels of government, the private and non-profit sectors, and academia, HSPI creates innovative strategies and solutions to current and future threats to the nation.

The task force gave itself the following mission: "to further policy discussions of the top strategic priorities in the area of security in order to generate actionable recommendations, for the Administration taking office in January 2009, designed to effectively meet the most vexing challenges the United States faces today."

Essentially, what the HSPI did (and all of this is spelled out explicitly in this document's executive summary) is convene a giant group of security wonks and academics, heard some briefings, made some "internal deliberations," and generated a set of priorities and recommendations. Then those recommendations got published, and maybe someone at the White House read them, but it's more likely that the content ended up as material to cite in the middle of further security-wonk discussions.

And at some point in the process, Nidal Hasan might have sat in a room while this was happening, with a few hundred other people.

But none of this constitutes formal advice given to the president on homeland security during the transition of power. This was a university panel that has sod all to do with the White House, generating ideas, and calling it "advice" for the president. If two or three of you wanted to meet up with me at the Au Bon Pain on Pennsylvania Avenue this afternoon and chat today, we will have accomplished basically the same thing.

Corsi, in fact, knows this. He writes:

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

In short, the facts Corsi obtained torpedo the premise of his piece, which, I remind you, is that the "shooter advised [the] Obama transition." Were this being written for a responsible journalistic entity, some creature called an "editor" would have stepped in and said, "Hey, Jerome, you realize that by your own findings, you article is complete horseshit, right?" But this is World Net Daily, written by and for complete charlatans.

UPDATE: I contacted Frank Cilluffo, the director of the HSPI at George Washington University, who tells me that Nidal Hasan has no affiliation with the HSPI or with George Washington University, at all. "[Hasan] has no role on the task force, other than the fact that he attended these meetings as an audience member, as did hundreds of others." Hasan's name appears on the list of participants only because he provided the HSPI with an RSVP, indicating his attendance. Cilluffo told me, "We always record RSVPs and publish them as a matter of transparency, and will continue to do so."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html&cp

[Moby]

You mean like this?

WND's Jerome Corsi Claims Fort Hood Shooter Advised Obama [UPDATE]

Well, if you were wondering what paranoiac smear artist would be the first to step out and attempt to name President Barack Obama as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Fort Hood yesterday, the answer -- naturally! -- is Jerome Corsi. Corsi has a long history of lunatic, fact-averse ravings and he fails to disappoint on that regard on the pages of World Net Daily, today, in a piece entitled "Shooter advised Obama transition." Except, of course, he didn't do any such thing.
How much you wanna bet that Fox News spends at least 10 hours on this over the next few days and then complains that the liberal media is ignoring it?

[Parade Rain]

How much you wanna bet that Fox News spends at least 10 hours on this over the next few days and then complains that the liberal media is ignoring it?

Yep - that damned libruhl media...:lmao2:

[Mr, gone]

The resemblance is amazing... Maybe this whack job watched Full Metal Jacket, then looked in the mirror - then started pulling the trigger. :p

966

967

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[MintJulep]

The resemblence is amazing... maybe this whack lob watched Full Metal Jacket, then looked in the mirror, then started pulling the trigger. :p

966

967

968 I thought the SAME exact thing last night. As soon as I saw his pic I made the connection. Good catch!

[MintJulep]

yeah we know...you feel all muslims are terrorists and don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us:banghead:Excuse me, but you mentioned nothing about "all Muslims". You said it was unfair to label all radicals as "bad". And I said, terrorists have feelings too!

So sell your sob story about poor victimized Muslims somewhere else.

[doctordog]

Excuse me, but you mentioned nothing about "all Muslims". You said it was unfair to label all radicals as "bad". And I said, terrorists have feelings too!

So sell your sob story about poor victimized Muslims somewhere else.

If he offers them a free goat they might be more inclined to believe him:lmao2:

[The_Limit]

Imagine if the Army would have just said "Ok, fine. You don't have to go to Iraq."

lol

[doctordog]

Imagine if the Army would have just said "Ok, fine. You don't have to go to Iraq."

lol

Even better, you aren't qualified to serve in the Army.

[The_Limit]

Even better, you aren't qualified to serve in the Army.

Or if the Vienna Academy of fine Arts told a young Hiter "We are pleased to notify you that your application has been accepted as a student at our school for the coming 1908 fall semester."

Instead, they denied him twice.

Totally changed the course of history.

ROFL