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Life_Long_Dem!

10-20-2009, 11:11 PM

Is the very set of tools that enabled the Republican Party to gain prominence the very thing that is killing it? If we look at the raise of the Conservative movement in this country one of the key things was the idea the media had an inherent liberal bias to it. This was important for a few reasons; it made it possible for Republicans to shrug off reporting which showed their agenda was not what the public wanted, it played a victim meme which dovetailed nicely with the nefarious Southern Strategy (e.g. conservatives were victims of the liberal press just like white working folks were victims of liberal policies) and perhaps most importantly it allowed the creation and legitimating of the Right Wing Echo chamber.
Something The Dog Said :: Has Right Wing News Doomed The Republican Party?
It is not really an accident that after the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned during the Reagan Administration there was a surge of new far Right voices on the radio. Those with deep pockets in the Conservative movement needed a place to regularly present a different view of things. It was a smart move as it allowed the true believers to have an alternate theory on the events of the day.

This all came into its own during the Clinton Administration. While it was not enough to topple a popular president in a time of economic growth, it was enough to wrest control of the House and Senate as well as pick up many State level seats in 1994. This under the radar stoking of the base provided a cohesion which the Democrats who were having their own internecine fights to be swept out of power.

Using the whipped up scandals and the one real one of the Clinton Presidency, they fanned the flames of their base with lurid tales of drug dealing out of the White House and the supposed murder of Vince Foster. As the Republicans overplayed their cards with impeachment, the next step in the echo chamber was coming to life, Fox News. From its inception it was clear they were pointed towards the farthest right of the right. Any network that has to tell you over and over and over they are "Fair and Balanced" is anything but.

The election of George Bush with its use of the media to present a skewed view of the public's concern in the "Brooks Bothers Riot" was another step forward. Then the tragedy of 9/11 catapulted the level of fear and hate mongering to new heights. The rhetoric was cranked up to 11 and stayed there in the Right Wing Echo Chamber. Anyone who disagreed to any degree with President Bush was called a traitor. The Echo Chamber was used to smear even musicians as the Dixie Chicks found out.

On the internet new and even more fervently Right Wing websites sprang up and became enormously popular with the "America, Fuck Yeah!" crowd. Now the Echo Chamber was complete, from newspapers to television to the internet there was a place where those on the Right could find news and views that matched their own, and amplified them It was incredibly effective, for a while. It allowed the Republican Party to control the White House and Congress all at once. It helped them spread memes of voter fraud and even leak the name of a covert CIA operative with only the loss of one Chief of Staff to show for it.

However there is a cost. The Echo Chamber was always a high emotion place with drugs, murder and treason being the opening bet, not the final one. The base it had been used to inflame has become addicted to the high of hate and fear. Like all addicts, the old level of stimulation is not enough, there has to be a higher and higher level of stimulation for it give that same high. This has lead the base to become more and more radicalized and more and more prone to calling anyone who they don't agree 100% with traitors.

Another cost is the fact the core of the Republican political elite has bought the premise that any news which does not come from Fox or World Net Daily or the Editorial Pages of the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post is suspect and can not be trusted. This is very bad as all of these organizations do not have a political party to run, they have a balance sheet to look after. They will continue to feed more and more sensational stories and fan the flames of crazy ideas to keep their readers and watchers coming back for more. They are the pushers feeding the Republican base it drug of choice, fear and hate.

This leads to what looks like flat derangement from the elected Republicans ; whether it is Rep. Michelle Bachman spouting off making pronouncements that health care reform will result in "sex clinics in schools"or Orly Taitz constantly pushing the idea the President is not a citizen or the most recent heinousness of four members of the House of Representative thinking that Muslim American pages are somehow spy's because of their religion.

To the Dog these people are not being cynical, they really believe the crazy crap they are spouting. It comes from the fact they get their news from an echo chamber which has very little contact with the real world. Anyone can become programmed to see the world a certain way if they are never, ever, exposed to other points of view. Since one of the defining aspects of Republicans has been their discipline, there is even less chance they will seek out differing views.

Worse for their political future, is the activated base that is ready to brand anyone a Republican in name only (Rhino) if they speak out for a new direction. Just this week we have seen one of the most conservative Senators in the Senate Lindsey Graham being heckled and accused of betraying the Party merely for being willing to think about climate change legislation.

All of this leads to the conclusion the Republicans have become victims of the very thing which allowed their ascendancy in the first place the Echo Chamber. They have trained their base to need more and more hyperbolic accusations and demons to be satisfied. This has lead them to have to say and support things which those outside of their base find increasingly crazy. It drives Independents and Moderates away from the Party of Crazy, because they do not get all of their news from inside the Echo Chamber they know many of the things they are being told by the Republicans are just not true. However the Republican elite can not move away from this disastrous course because the Echo Chamber is where all of their core supporters get their news. If they go against the noise of their own creation, they run the risk of being branded traitors to their cause and summarily dumped. Just look at the heat that is being applied to Sen. Snowe over her support of the Baucus Bill. The money making Echo Chamber is not going to help the elected Republicans, because to do so would cost them viewers and money.

All this leaves the Republican Party on a downward spiral. They can't get free of the Echo Chamber, but by staying in it and with their base, they become less and less relevant to the nation, since their view barely touches reality in any fashion. Until and unless they manage to break out of this trap of their own making, it seems pretty clear they will continue to become less effective as the level of rhetoric required to satisfy the fear and hate addicted base only gets higher and higher.

The floor is yours.

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Bill Cosby

10-20-2009, 11:21 PM

No but it is still building...

Life_Long_Dem!

10-20-2009, 11:26 PM

No but it is still building...
HAHA...I like that, i believe the right will shoot past the G.O.P. and sprout into the loon party...actually it is almost complete...and the head of the party could be John" I am from outer space and not in reality" Boehner

Boogie man

10-20-2009, 11:27 PM

I see Fox News has made the "enemies list" at the White House. How Nixonian is that?

Life_Long_Dem!

10-20-2009, 11:30 PM

I see Fox News has made the "enemies list" at the White House. How Nixonian is that?
Faux news you mean...aka the lie and distort network? They are even starting to admit they are not news and that shows like beck and hannity are opinion based entertainment shows...they have said it several times in rebuttals to the white House recently.

mtz

10-21-2009, 05:59 AM

I see Fox News has made the "enemies list" at the White House. How Nixonian is that?

Can't wait for the gov't bailout of newspapers.

Everyone else think it's a great idea??? Think Tass!

I know Life_Long_Dem loves it!

mtz

10-21-2009, 06:05 AM

Faux news you mean...aka the lie and distort network? They are even starting to admit they are not news and that shows like beck and hannity are opinion based entertainment shows...they have said it several times in rebuttals to the white House recently.

You're an idiot!!

Beck and Hannity ARE opinion shows, just like Oprah, The View, and Maher - just so happens they deal with current topics, as everone else does. If you wish to identify Beck as a newsman, then you have to identify the following as such...

Bill Maher is a newsman!

David Letterman is a newsman!

Whoopi Goldbergh is a newswoman?

John Galt

10-21-2009, 08:24 AM

You're an idiot!!

Beck and Hannity ARE opinion shows, just like Oprah, The View, and Maher - just so happens they deal with current topics, as everone else does. If you wish to identify Beck as a newsman, then you have to identify the following as such...

Bill Maher is a newsman!

David Letterman is a newsman!

Whoopi Goldbergh is a newswoman?
Maher...comedian

Letterman...comedian

Goldbergh...comedienne

None of the above are broadcast on a network that keeps a Fair and Balanced graphic on the screen.

Whereas some of us recognize Limpy, Hannity, and Beck as comedians...followed by Bill O, the angry clown...none of them are billed as such.

CosmicRocker

10-21-2009, 10:25 AM

anything except "news broadcasts" are inherently opinion shows.

What can be said about O'Reilly. Beck. Hannity can be said about Chris Matthews, Olberman, or Maddow.

Hell; even the news itself can be biased depending on how the story is covered.

Deal with it, one has to watch a variety of sources, or a variety of sites.

Here's my opinion.
If you disagree with everything on FOX
or disagree with everything on MSNBC, YOU are biased !!!

You're simply looking for reinforcement to your ideology.

Anyone with an ounce of Independence listens to all sides, uses their knowledge base as a "fact checker",
tosses out the hyperboyle, and makes up their own mind as to what they think is the right course.

CosmicRocker

10-21-2009, 10:31 AM

I see Fox News has made the "enemies list" at the White House. How Nixonian is that?It's political suicide.

O'Reilly ( this is his stats -so i don't know how true they are) said about 15% of his audience is Lib, 45% Con, and about 40% Independent.

The key demographic here is Independent.

If the White House boycotts FOX, they are not gaining any Cons ( prolly won't anyways), but they are loosing a BIG proportion of Independents.

Which sort of follows the prssidential polls, as Obama has been loosing grouind as of late in the Independent camp.

Boogie man

10-21-2009, 10:33 AM

Faux news you mean...aka the lie and distort network? They are even starting to admit they are not news and that shows like beck and hannity are opinion based entertainment shows...they have said it several times in rebuttals to the white House recently.

You mean opinion based entertainment shows like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow on MSNBC? I agree.

Nixon had an "enemies list" also. Obama with something in common with Nixon. Priceless.

Boogie man

10-21-2009, 10:36 AM

It's political suicide.

O'Reilly ( this is his stats -so i don't know how true they are) said about 15% of his audience is Lib, 45% Con, and about 40% Independent.

The key demographic here is Independent.

If the White House boycotts FOX, they are not gaining any Cons ( prolly won't anyways), but they are loosing a BIG proportion of Independents.

Which sort of follows the prssidential polls, as Obama has been loosing grouind as of late in the Independent camp.

I agree. Attacking free speech is not American and will come back to bite Obama in the ass.

Life_Long_Dem!

10-21-2009, 01:55 PM

Can't wait for the gov't bailout of newspapers.

Everyone else think it's a great idea??? Think Tass!

I know Life_Long_Dem loves it!
ummmm...I know you are probably fairly new to the board so you DONT know what I am all about so I will tell you...you have it WRONG on the bailouts...I am against them...always have been...thought the bank and auto bailouts were wrong from the start and to refresh your memory they were started under BUSH and obama decided for some reason that they should continue so i hope that clears things up a bit.

mtz

10-21-2009, 09:20 PM

ummmm...I know you are probably fairly new to the board so you DONT know what I am all about so I will tell you...you have it WRONG on the bailouts...I am against them...always have been...thought the bank and auto bailouts were wrong from the start and to refresh your memory they were started under BUSH and obama decided for some reason that they should continue so i hope that clears things up a bit.

I have this to say...

You are 100% right that Bush started the bailout shit - pissed me off then!

I applaud you for standing against further bailouts, epecially of new sources, etc.

We probably don't agree about much, but I'll tip my hat to you here.

:thumbsup:

doctordog

10-21-2009, 09:31 PM

Bill Cosby

10-21-2009, 10:26 PM

I have this to say...

You are 100% right that Bush started the bailout shit - pissed me off then!

I applaud you for standing against further bailouts, epecially of new sources, etc.

We probably don't agree about much, but I'll tip my hat to you here.

I think many of us can agree on that..........

I really had mixed feeling on it....

On one hand I thought it wrong- legally & morally...... On the other I have lots of my money tied up on wall street.......:mad: :mad: :mad:

I am not able to just get out but as opportunity allows I am out...

There are lots of other ways to make my money make money... :thumbsup:

Moby

10-22-2009, 10:27 AM

Beck and Hannity ARE opinion shows, just like Oprah, The View, and Maher - just so happens they deal with current topics, as everone else does. If you wish to identify Beck as a newsman, then you have to identify the following as such...

Bill Maher is a newsman!

David Letterman is a newsman!

Whoopi Goldbergh is a newswoman?
Have you ever tried to convince someone from over seas that Beck is NOT a comedian? It seems that for some reason people in America are so stupid that they follow anyone that Murdoch and Mays put out there. Sure, any sane rational thinking human wouldn't listen to these people but many Americans do even though they know what they're paid to do.

The idiots aren't the ones outing to the paid marketers. The idiots are the ones following them and allowing their emotions to be manipulated by them.

Moby

10-22-2009, 10:30 AM

Beck and Hannity are opinion shows not news programs, Jesus junior wake the fuck up.
But for some reason people follow them.

Also, most lies that are told by Beck and Hannity are echoed throughout the day at Fox. It's just that in the evening these guys bring emotion into the lies and that's what changes it from flat out lies to Neuro Linguistics Programming.

Some one as smart as you should understand this basic concept.

Boogie man

10-22-2009, 11:06 AM

Beck and Hannity are opinion shows not news programs, Jesus junior wake the fuck up.

Just like Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann? CNN has some also. The only reason the administration is attacking Fox is because Fox is exposing corruption and the commies in the administration like ACORN, the czars, etc.

bairdi

10-22-2009, 01:06 PM

The idiots are the ones following them and allowing their emotions to be manipulated by them.

The only reason the administration is attacking Fox is because Fox is exposing corruption and the commies in the administration like ACORN, the czars, etc.

You sure as hell nailed that one Moby!

Bill Cosby

10-22-2009, 02:44 PM

Just like Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann? CNN has some also. The only reason the administration is attacking Fox is because Fox is exposing corruption and the commies in the administration like ACORN, the czars, etc.

How many czars did bush the lesser have?????

How many does Obama have now???

Who came up w/ this idea anyway????

:hi:

:disbelief:

disrupter

10-22-2009, 02:48 PM

reckless evil empty treason has been more damaging to the GOP.

CosmicRocker

10-22-2009, 03:43 PM

How many czars did bush the lesser have?????

How many does Obama have now???

Who came up w/ this idea anyway????

:hi:

:disbelief: we'll have to check with the Accounting Czar to find out. LOL :thumbsup:

Moby

10-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Just like Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann? Duh!

The difference is that there are far more on the right that are sheepish enough to follow pundits and far fewer in the left. Many people have posted stats bragging about how sheepish they really are. I can point you to them. In fact, I think even Wayers was very proud of the fact that the GOP followers are far more common than left or central followers.

Is there really anything that compares in the free world with the amount of false information that has been spread by just 2 billionaires? In the history of the world?

Moby

10-22-2009, 04:13 PM

we'll have to check with the Accounting Czar to find out. LOL :thumbsup:
Good answer :thumbsup:

Any Czar or none Czar should already know that answer though

disrupter

10-22-2009, 04:14 PM

I there a Czar-Czar to keep track of all the other Czars? lol

Boogie man

10-22-2009, 04:34 PM

How many czars did bush the lesser have?????

How many does Obama have now???

Who came up w/ this idea anyway????

:hi:

:disbelief:

HOW MANY CZARS DID BUSH HAVE THAT WERE ADMITTED COMMUNISTS AND ADMIRED MAO?

Boogie man

10-22-2009, 04:36 PM

Moby

10-22-2009, 05:37 PM

If there are far more on the right that are sheepish enough to follow pundits and far fewer on the left then give us the numbers with a link.
You can find these types of threads all over this site. These don't even include the radio numbers for the dedicated GOP propaganda stations like Clear Channel.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10342
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,814,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,118,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,417,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,388,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,988,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,833,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,243,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,082,000
CNNHN GRACE 875,000
CNN KATHY GRIFFIN 810,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 710,000

bairdi

10-22-2009, 05:40 PM

If there are far more on the right that are sheepish enough to follow pundits and far fewer on the left then give us the numbers with a link.
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=132734&postcount=1
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

doctordog

10-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Moby

10-22-2009, 06:42 PM

You must been fishing in the rectum pond for that one Moby:lmao2: , I think there are just as many Olbermann and Maddow fans here as there are Beck and Hannity.
You can read the numbers posted by Senior and if you want I can find more to support it.

I'm not sure that anyone has ever posted a video clip of Maddow and I can only think of 1 or 2 from Olbermann.

How many times have people quoted what they hear from Hannity, Beck or Limbaugh on this board? Even worse, how many times do people post things from pundit sites like Gateway Pundits, Washington Examiner and Drudge?

You just don't see many posts from KOS and Huffington now do you?

doctordog

10-22-2009, 06:45 PM

You can read the numbers posted by Senior and if you want I can find more to support it.

I'm not sure that anyone has ever posted a video clip of Maddow and I can only think of 1 or 2 from Olbermann.

How many times have people quoted what they hear from Hannity, Beck or Limbaugh on this board? Even worse, how many times do people post things from pundit sites like Gateway Pundits, Washington Examiner and Drudge?

You just don't see many posts from KOS and Huffington now do you?

Plenty from the New York times though. Some from huffington and a some more from the left leaning blogs.

ROdger Right

10-22-2009, 07:20 PM

How many more threads do we need attacking fox before we can assume the lefties are pissing their pants?

doctordog

10-22-2009, 08:08 PM

How many more threads do we need attacking fox before we can assume the lefties are pissing their pants?

Good Point:thumbsup:

CosmicRocker

10-22-2009, 08:18 PM

Duh!

The difference is that there are far more on the right that are sheepish enough to follow pundits and far fewer in the left. Many people have posted stats bragging about how sheepish they really are. I can point you to them. In fact, I think even Wayers was very proud of the fact that the GOP followers are far more common than left or central followers.

Is there really anything that compares in the free world with the amount of false information that has been spread by just 2 billionaires? In the history of the world?Oh come on.
The left is an echo chamber of the NYT, MSNBC, and their various pundits.
I'm not one to claim the MSM is skewed left, but the pundits have a lot of sway on the left.

You don't know the right wing, as well as I do.
There are the loony fundamentalists, but their are also patriotic Americans
who are more traditional, than secular progressive.

They seem idiotic to a leftist, but they really believe in family values, and flying the flag
( witnessed a take down and folding tonight on a walk -couple ppl were witnessing, and we all saluted)
and one definition of conservativism is holding on to basic American patriotism.

Are these ppl any more stupid because of their beliefs?
Some actually oppose gay marriage and such, not out religious conviction, but traditional values.

I think they have to get with it, and realize gay marriage is a cival right, but they have a right to cling to God and country.

Or the famous Obama statement " cling to their guns and bibles"

MAybe I'm missing you're point, as I'm rambling here.
I just wanted to show you the right is not soley stupid monoliths.

Life_Long_Dem!

10-22-2009, 08:30 PM

Oh come on.
The left is an echo chamber of the NYT, MSNBC, and their various pundits.
I'm not one to claim the MSM is skewed left, but the pundits have a lot of sway on the left.

You don't know the right wing, as well as I do.
There are the loony fundamentalists, but their are also patriotic Americans
who are more traditional, than secular progressive.

They seem idiotic to a leftist, but they really believe in family values, and flying the flag ( witnessed a take down and folding tonight on a walk -couple ppl were witnessing, and we all saluted) and one definition of conservativism is holding on to basic American patriotism.

Are these ppl any more stupid because of their beliefs?
Some actually oppose gay marriage and such, not out religious conviction, but traditional values.

I think they have to get with it, and realize gay marriage is a cival right, but they have a right to cling to God and country.

MAybe I'm missing you're point, as I'm rambling here.
I just wanted to show you the right is not soley stupid monoliths.
You are actually right on that in the aspect that i know some very smart conservatives...a few that are actually friends of mine and have been for years. Problem being though that they seem to be in a minority these days as more and more conservatives seem to being parroting puppets to right wing pundits, taking what they hear on "opinion "based shows such as Limbaugh and Beck and believe they are getting news and the truth...a DANGEROUS path to be on.

Same can be said for the left to mostly the same extent. But more left leaners take what they see with a more objective view and decide for themselves what to believe. Their is fringe radicals on both sides...disrupter being the best example I can come up with for the left, while good in intentions he comes off more as a ranting fringer than he does intelligent. Frank G. and seniorchief are the best examples of fringe righters that sound most like puppets for the pundits of the right. I myself while posting ALOT try to not post from the same sites so much as to not be deemed a fringer cause in my honest opinion fringers post from the same sites more often than not. I refuse to really post from huffington and sites like them because of their far left bent.HELL now I am ranting so i think i will end here for now.

Boogie man

10-22-2009, 08:48 PM

You can find these types of threads all over this site. These don't even include the radio numbers for the dedicated GOP propaganda stations like Clear Channel.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10342

So the reason the Fox shows have much higher ratings is because those who watch those shows are sheepish? LOL. Uh huh. Got it. LOL.

CosmicRocker

10-22-2009, 09:41 PM

You are actually right on that in the aspect that i know some very smart conservatives...a few that are actually friends of mine and have been for years. Problem being though that they seem to be in a minority these days as more and more conservatives seem to being parroting puppets to right wing pundits, taking what they hear on "opinion "based shows such as Limbaugh and Beck and believe they are getting news and the truth...a DANGEROUS path to be on.

Same can be said for the left to mostly the same extent. But more left leaners take what they see with a more objective view and decide for themselves what to believe. Their is fringe radicals on both sides...disrupter being the best example I can come up with for the left, while good in intentions he comes off more as a ranting fringer than he does intelligent. Frank G. and seniorchief are the best examples of fringe righters that sound most like puppets for the pundits of the right. I myself while posting ALOT try to not post from the same sites so much as to not be deemed a fringer cause in my honest opinion fringers post from the same sites more often than not. I refuse to really post from huffington and sites like them because of their far left bent.HELL now I am ranting so i think i will end here for now.we agree on the gist of the rants! :D

John Galt

10-22-2009, 10:08 PM

MAybe I'm missing you're point, as I'm rambling here.
I just wanted to show you the right is not soley stupid monoliths.

Comparing job titles of the two camps is valid. However, I don't see the Maddows/Olbermans concocting "Birther" campaigns.

I don't see them manufacturing "Death Panels" rhetoric.

I could go on for a few pages.

The difference, is that the Fox News parrots continue to post the sound bite concoctions, with nothing to continue the discussion once the introductory lies have been told.

I'm still waiting on substantiation for the racist comments regarding the Community Reinvestment Act. They never come back to the place they've dumped their turd. They're too busy elsewhere reciting another soundbite from column B.

I believe the point was that the mindless Fox camp, doesn't view their pundits in the same manner as the MSNBC camp does.

They lend entirely too much credence to every lie and deception.

Boogie man

10-22-2009, 10:36 PM

CosmicRocker

10-22-2009, 11:04 PM

Comparing job titles of the two camps is valid. However, I don't see the Maddows/Olbermans concocting "Birther" campaigns.

I don't see them manufacturing "Death Panels" rhetoric.

I could go on for a few pages.

The difference, is that the Fox News parrots continue to post the sound bite concoctions, with nothing to continue the discussion once the introductory lies have been told.

I'm still waiting on substantiation for the racist comments regarding the Community Reinvestment Act. They never come back to the place they've dumped their turd. They're too busy elsewhere reciting another soundbite from column B.

I believe the point was that the mindless Fox camp, doesn't view their pundits in the same manner as the MSNBC camp does.

They lend entirely too much credence to every lie and deception.Fox didn't make up Birthers, or Dealth panel terms.
Fox doesn't take RNC talking points, it does report on conservative /right wing news. Similiar as MSNBC reports on left wing news.

If I want to find out the progressive p.o.v. - i'll put on Maddow.
Liberal - Chris Matthews. - although he does get Buchannan and such on there for counter views.

Beck is a 1 man show.
O'Reilly is a traditional conservative, but always has both sides of guest issue appearences.

The Repubs don't really have a national leader, so they've only got talk radio, and pundits - that's why the reliance.

Kinna like the late 80's when the libs had NPR.

Be careful you don't stat thinking FOX is "the enemy of America" ( Grayson).

It's a conservative news analysis network, but the 60 minute newscast is supurb.' Cause it's longer. LOL

doctordog

10-23-2009, 04:44 PM

Fox didn't make up Birthers, or Dealth panel terms.
Fox doesn't take RNC talking points, it does report on conservative /right wing news. Similiar as MSNBC reports on left wing news.

If I want to find out the progressive p.o.v. - i'll put on Maddow.
Liberal - Chris Matthews. - although he does get Buchannan and such on there for counter views.

Beck is a 1 man show.
O'Reilly is a traditional conservative, but always has both sides of guest issue appearences.

The Repubs don't really have a national leader, so they've only got talk radio, and pundits - that's why the reliance.

Kinna like the late 80's when the libs had NPR.

Be careful you don't stat thinking FOX is "the enemy of America" ( Grayson).

It's a conservative news analysis network, but the 60 minute newscast is supurb.' Cause it's longer. LOL

What he stated above, great job CR!