Ooops, Speedy got caught in another lie

[Bill]

He told congress he didn't know of any cases in whihc the patriot act had been abused.

But new FOIA releases show he had been given reports of abuses days before his testimony.

Prolly not under oath, so it's just one more lie. Yawn, what a surprise, Speedy Gonzales lies like a rug, we already knew that, eh?

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"As he sought to renew the USA Patriot Act two years ago, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales assured lawmakers that the FBI had not abused its potent new terrorism-fighting powers. "There has not been one verified case of civil liberties abuse," Gonzales told senators on April 27, 2005.

Six days earlier, the FBI sent Gonzales a copy of a report that said its agents had obtained personal information that they were not entitled to have. It was one of at least half a dozen reports of legal or procedural violations that Gonzales received in the three months before he made his statement to the Senate intelligence committee, according to internal FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The acts recounted in the FBI reports included unauthorized surveillance, an illegal property search and a case in which an Internet firm improperly turned over a compact disc with data that the FBI was not entitled to collect, the documents show. Gonzales was copied on each report that said administrative rules or laws protecting civil liberties and privacy had been violated."

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19685278/

[KevinG]

He told congress he didn't know of any cases in whihc the patriot act had been abused.

But new FOIA releases show he had been given reports of abuses days before his testimony.

Prolly not under oath, so it's just one more lie. Yawn, what a surprise, Speedy Gonzales lies like a rug, we already knew that, eh?

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"As he sought to renew the USA Patriot Act two years ago, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales assured lawmakers that the FBI had not abused its potent new terrorism-fighting powers. "There has not been one verified case of civil liberties abuse," Gonzales told senators on April 27, 2005.

Six days earlier, the FBI sent Gonzales a copy of a report that said its agents had obtained personal information that they were not entitled to have. It was one of at least half a dozen reports of legal or procedural violations that Gonzales received in the three months before he made his statement to the Senate intelligence committee, according to internal FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The acts recounted in the FBI reports included unauthorized surveillance, an illegal property search and a case in which an Internet firm improperly turned over a compact disc with data that the FBI was not entitled to collect, the documents show. Gonzales was copied on each report that said administrative rules or laws protecting civil liberties and privacy had been violated."

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19685278/


Minor minor minor minor minor crap, nonsense.

Name someone who has been wrongly imprisoned, searched, or had things seized because of the patriot act.

Name one.

Go ahead.

[kres24GT]

Abuse is a relative term, so I don't think it classifies as a lie. People want safety over freedom, hence the Patriot Act.

[Kinky Jones]

Minor minor minor minor minor crap, nonsense.

Name someone who has been wrongly imprisoned, searched, or had things seized because of the patriot act.

Name one.

Go ahead.

me :thumbsup:

my international mail shows up with broken seals cut up like evidence with the contents of the package written on the outside and then it arrives 45 days late and taped up with packing tape to hold the cut up envelopes together... i guess maybe i made somebody's list

[Bill]

Minor minor minor minor minor crap, nonsense.

Name someone who has been wrongly imprisoned, searched, or had things seized because of the patriot act.

Name one.

Go ahead.

I haven't studied that question, I'll keep my eyes open for more data.

I presume some of the 1000 abuses the FBI admitted to recently, after reviewing 10% of their ongoing investigations (leaving, presumably, another 9000 abuses undetected), may have had some illegal searches associated with them.

The article itself that I posted claimed Gonzo had been informed of at least one illegal search.

Which contradicts your claim that there have been no illegal searches.

[Bill]

Name someone who has been wrongly imprisoned, searched, or had things seized because of the patriot act.

So, is your position that if the government don't get caught, then it ain't illegal?

That the constitution is a "quaint" document, of no real importance?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Abuse is a relative term, so I don't think it classifies as a lie. People want safety over freedom, hence the Patriot Act.

Who sold you that line of crap?

We aren't any safer in this country NOW than we were BEFORE the Patriot act.

All we gained by this abomination of legal mumbo jumbo was to have our rights and freedoms restricted with blatant disregard to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of this great country. The American people have been restricted, not the terrorists who come here legally.

If you think that isn't so, you haven't been paying attention to the news this week.


LM

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[kres24GT]

Who sold you that line of crap?

We aren't any safer in this country NOW than we were BEFORE the Patriot act.

All we gained by this abomination of legal mumbo jumbo was to have our rights and freedoms restricted with blatant disregard to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of this great country. The American people have been restricted, not the terrorists who come here legally.

If you think that isn't so, you haven't been paying attention to the news this week.


LM


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LMAO @ you

All I dead was make an objective comment, all of the things you say here are irrelevant to what I said. Abuse is a relative term. Amazing one simple statement can cause you to fly into such rage.

I agree with pretty much every thing you say in the post, the point was and only was that abuse is a relative term.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

LMAO @ you

All I dead was make an objective comment, all of the things you say here are irrelevant to what I said. Abuse is a relative term. Amazing one simple statement can cause you to fly into such rage.

I agree with pretty much every thing you say in the post, the point was and only was that abuse is a relative term.

A) I wasn't going off in a rage. Do you often interject emotions into what you read?

B) I was addressing your comment about people wanting safety over freedom. NOT abuse being relative or not.

In that context my response was relevant to what you posted.

Or is it perhaps that YOU don't believe you have anything relevant to say? Ergo, any response to you would also be irrelevant? I'll keep that in mind for future reference. :lmao2:


LM

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