Alan Grayson, Republican health plan, Don't get sick and die quickly!

[MarkMiller]

A Democrat with balls! Telling the truth.....finaly!

[Citizen]

First of all, wrong forum you fucking moron. Finally (with TWO L's), I have never heard anything more detestable in my entire life.

[MarkMiller]

First of all, wrong forum you fucking moron. Finally (with TWO L's), I have never heard anything more detestable in my entire life.
Then you need to get out more.

If a mod wants to move the thread, that's fine.

Oh....and "Fuck You". Just for the heck of it.:hi:

[Citizen]

Then you need to get out more.

If a mod wants to move the thread, that's fine.

Oh....and "Fuck You". Just for the heck of it.:hi:

I hope they keep it here to show how much of a moron you are that you don't even know what forum you're posting in.

[CosmicRocker]

Grayson is my Rep. (Dem. Orlando, Fl.)

I heard about the comments listening to local conservative talk radio
on the way home from the beach this AM.

The guy I listen to, is very level headed, and willing to actually talk issues with moderates like me, and even progressives.

1 rule. no shouting, or talking over each other.

He ( Bud Heddinger 540WFLA ) was pretty bombastic about it.

Grayson is a self important man, and has a big mouth.

i'm waiting to see what he does, and not judge him on his words.

[MarkMiller]

I hope they keep it here to show how much of a moron you are that you don't even know what forum you're posting in.
OK....if it makes you feel like you know what your talking about....please continue. Admin can leave it, move it or laugh at it.:D

Big wet Kiss citizen....right on the lips!:p

[Citizen]

OK....if it makes you feel like you know what your talking about....please continue. Admin can leave it, move it or laugh at it.:D

Big wet Kiss citizen....right on the lips!:p
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[Captain Obvious]

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FAIL!

:lmao2:

[Citizen]

;) :) :taunt: :p

[Binky]

OK....if it makes you feel like you know what your talking about....please continue. Admin can leave it, move it or laugh at it.:D

Big wet Kiss citizen....right on the lips!:p


Damn! And I didn't have my camera handy.....:lmao2:

[MarkMiller]

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[Citizen]

Slice your fingers off.

[MarkMiller]

Pluck your eyes out.

[CosmicRocker]

Orlando. Fl. area.

here is a cut and paste I posted at RV, as I'm too lazy to write another original thought.
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He contributes nothing to the debate then.
Is this the way to bring in moderate Repubs?
Do you think Snowe or Collins will be swayed by this language?

In other words it may make you FEEL good, but it is a destructive comment, as far as advancing health care reform.
It guarantees no Republican support ( not that you were ever gonna get any)

The PROBLEM is the Dems aren't united.
Work on your own party, get the Blue Dogs onboard.

Sorry. This is just an egotistical typical Grayson comment.
He's done some good things for Florida, and that's what I vote on - results not words.
but he's pretty much sealed the fact he is gonna be a 1 term Rep.

[Jowey Styxx]

Orlando. Fl. area.

here is a cut and paste I posted at RV, as I'm too lazy to write another original thought.
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He contributes nothing to the debate then.
Is this the way to bring in moderate Repubs?
Do you think Snowe or Collins will be swayed by this language?

In other words it may make you FEEL good, but it is a destructive comment, as far as advancing health care reform.
It guarantees no Republican support ( not that you were ever gonna get any)

The PROBLEM is the Dems aren't united.
Work on your own party, get the Blue Dogs onboard.

Sorry. This is just an egotistical typical Grayson comment.
He's done some good things for Florida, and that's what I vote on - results not words.
but he's pretty much sealed the fact he is gonna be a 1 term Rep.


Compared to the Republicans comments Grayson's presentation was tame....

The Democrats had a communications problem both inside Congress and out. As long as they were talking numbers and statistics the Blue Dogs eyes would glaze over. The Republican's and their corporate masters would yelp, they would squirm in response and give in.

Grayson put it on the table in a manner that "Joe the Plumber" could understand. "Joe the Plumber" might vote if it means his kids would get health care.

Now the Blue Dogs and their constituents know that they are supporting a policy that is killing hundreds of people a day...

[CosmicRocker]

Compared to the Republicans comments Grayson's presentation was tame....

The Democrats had a communications problem both inside Congress and out. As long as they were talking numbers and statistics the Blue Dogs eyes would glaze over. The Republican's and their corporate masters would yelp, they would squirm in response and give in.

Grayson put it on the table in a manner that "Joe the Plumber" could understand. "Joe the Plumber" might vote if it means his kids would get health care.

Now the Blue Dogs and their constituents know that they are supporting a policy that is killing hundreds of people a day...
Tame? 40,000 being killed a day? - that's anything but tame, call it caustic, direct, explicit - anything but tame.

The Blue Dogs eyes "would glaze over?"
No. the Blue Dogs were FOCUSED on the CBO/OMB numbers;
that's the whole reason their support wasn't there for Sngl. Pay or Pub Opt.

Those debt numbers had to get below $1trill. over the 8 year forecast, the last I heard Bauchus had it down to $900 billion.

Ya. I'd agree the Dem's had some communication problems.
Grayson's remarks are his style - he's a millionaire lawyer who self financed his campaign.
He's used to getting what he wants, and he won the Seat.
I voted for the guy, and he doesn't communicate well with me or moderates;
but if you use pharase like:
The Republican's and their corporate masters would yelp, they would squirm in response and give in. then i could see where he communicated with you.

[Jowey Styxx]

Tame? 40,000 being killed a day? - that's anything but tame, call it caustic, direct, explicit - anything but tame.

The Blue Dogs eyes "would glaze over?"
No. the Blue Dogs were FOCUSED on the CBO/OMB numbers;
that's the whole reason their support wasn't there for Sngl. Pay or Pub Opt.

Those debt numbers had to get below $1trill. over the 8 year forecast, the last I heard Bauchus had it down to $900 billion.

Ya. I'd agree the Dem's had some communication problems.
Grayson's remarks are his style - he's a millionaire lawyer who self financed his campaign.
He's used to getting what he wants, and he won the Seat.
I voted for the guy, and he doesn't communicate well with me or moderates;
but if you use pharase like:

The Republican's and their corporate masters would yelp, they would squirm in response and give in.


then i could see where he communicated with you.

So the Republicans talking about "death camps" is acceptable, even though it was not in the bill?
Grayson spoke facts, not off the wall rhetoric, when he mentioned the 40K being killed off through denial of health care.

Blue Dogs focused on numbers, I doubt that. There is so much dysfunction in the system that any numbers would be skewed.

As for the corporations, if the financial and insurance companies had been interested in service we would not be in this position. Instead they chose predatory practices, executing a business model that was unsustainable. Note also all the insurance money they are using to fight this, consider if it was actually applied to care.

[CosmicRocker]

So the Republicans talking about "death camps" is acceptable, even though it was not in the bill?
Grayson spoke facts, not off the wall rhetoric, when he mentioned the 40K being killed off through denial of health care.

Blue Dogs focused on numbers, I doubt that. There is so much dysfunction in the system that any numbers would be skewed.As for the corporations, if the financial and insurance companies had been interested in service we would not be in this position. Instead they chose predatory practices, executing a business model that was unsustainable. Note also all the insurance money they are using to fight this, consider if it was actually applied to care.
those are a Harvard study number, and heavily statistically weighed.
I'm not saying they don't have merit, but i'll try to find an article for you about the methodology.

Of course the "death panels" are lunacy, no-one is saying otherwise.


Blue Dogs focused on numbers, I doubt that. There is so much dysfunction in the system that any numbers would be skewed

Both the CBO and OMB numbers WERE the problem which is whole idea of the Bauchus committee is to find a way to pay for some of this without getting the deficits into the trillions.

[Jowey Styxx]

those are a Harvard study number, and heavily statistically weighed.
I'm not saying they don't have merit, but i'll try to find an article for you about the methodology.

Of course the "death panels" are lunacy, no-one is saying otherwise.

Both the CBO and OMB numbers WERE the problem which is whole idea of the Bauchus committee is to find a way to pay for some of this without getting the deficits into the trillions.

A Comparison of CBO’s and OMB’s Baselines (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/97xx/doc9706/AppendixB.8.2.shtml) had to look it up.... :o

The numbers are rough and it depends on how bad we want this change.....

We have seen predatory business practices, war for profit with the corporations siphoning tax payer money to Dubai and golden parachutes to thieves. That is where the money is and this is supposed to be the Government and not all laws have been neutered.

So if the DOJ would stop sleeping with oil whores, sorry got the DOJ mixed up with the DOI, fines, fees, penalties and incarceration. Also Reign in DOD's spending on useless technological toys, squash the corporate fraud and stop being permanent guests of countries such as Germany and Japan. The numbers might look better......

Course not cracking down on the corporate scammers means that the money stolen is floating around in their foreign bank accounts - untouched. The numbers become a problem because not only did we, the taxpayer bail out the financial scammers, fight two wars, pay fortunes to private mercenaries and then we have to try to take care of ourselves.....

I say eviscerate the corporations, take care of our own, the tax payers and let the rest, corporate entities and chicken hawks deal with the remains.

As long as one is healthy one can fight, work, if one is sick they cannot....

As for the future, if one dies because of lack of care they have no future, no care is Republican version of abortion only with suffering and profiteering....

[CosmicRocker]

A Comparison of CBO’s and OMB’s Baselines (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/97xx/doc9706/AppendixB.8.2.shtml) had to look it up.... :o

The numbers are rough and it depends on how bad we want this change.....

We have seen predatory business practices, war for profit with the corporations siphoning tax payer money to Dubai and golden parachutes to thieves. That is where the money is and this is supposed to be the Government and not all laws have been neutered.

So if the DOJ would stop sleeping with oil whores, sorry got the DOJ mixed up with the DOI, fines, fees, penalties and incarceration. Also Reign in DOD's spending on useless technological toys, squash the corporate fraud and stop being permanent guests of countries such as Germany and Japan. The numbers might look better......

Course not cracking down on the corporate scammers means that the money stolen is floating around in their foreign bank accounts - untouched. The numbers become a problem because not only did we, the taxpayer bail out the financial scammers, fight two wars, pay fortunes to private mercenaries and then we have to try to take care of ourselves.....

I say eviscerate the corporations, take care of our own, the tax payers and let the rest, corporate entities and chicken hawks deal with the remains.

As long as one is healthy one can fight, work, if one is sick they cannot....

As for the future, if one dies because of lack of care they have no future, no care is Republican version of abortion only with suffering and profiteering....
we know the problems, and waste the wars ( I include out little folly in Afg) the wars have done.
But putting liquidity, and buying out the toxic loans were necessary, and INHO prolly did more to turn around the economy more than the "stimuuls package" ever did.

The next question is will health care reform actually accomplish anything, except increase defictis.

I would have preferred Single Pay.
That is a template that works well in other countries, why not here?

If you "evisrate the corps" you are also doing damage to the entrepenurial class.
Corps do provide jobs, although globalization sucks most overseas.

we are cutting out some weapons programs - that's good.


I'm worried we will loose the edge in aerospce though, the Aires 1 testfires this week, and without the shuttle we have to rely on Soyuz to get to the space station.


Watch China. They are beoming Pacific fleet power, an economic engine, and have a montrously sized army.

They are also trying to estalish a presense in aerospace.

[Southernman]

A 40 pound head with a half ounce brain :lmao2:
BUHAHA

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Cry2hN-xUQM/SsXmldLWM_I/AAAAAAAABug/6SfSlmgvOAE/s400/grayson.jpg

[disrupter]

a half an ounce more than any living Republican. lol

[MarkMiller]

LOL! Keep Going ALAN!

[Jowey Styxx]

we know the problems, and waste the wars ( I include out little folly in Afg) the wars have done.
But putting liquidity, and buying out the toxic loans were necessary, and INHO prolly did more to turn around the economy more than the "stimuuls package" ever did.

The next question is will health care reform actually accomplish anything, except increase defictis.

I would have preferred Single Pay.
That is a template that works well in other countries, why not here?

If you "evisrate the corps" you are also doing damage to the entrepenurial class.
Corps do provide jobs, although globalization sucks most overseas.

we are cutting out some weapons programs - that's good.


I'm worried we will loose the edge in aerospce though, the Aires 1 testfires this week, and without the shuttle we have to rely on Soyuz to get to the space station.


Watch China. They are beoming Pacific fleet power, an economic engine, and have a montrously sized army.

They are also trying to estalish a presense in aerospace.


Republicans came up with the war money - kind of.....

I would not have bought out the toxic financial companies, would have focused on the companies that did not follow the profiteering path, helped them to butcher those companies that put us in this position. Also allowed the courts to renegotiate mortgages....

The oil companies used our dependence on their product to manipulate other governments, on the taxpayers penny. These companies squashed innovation rather than using their profits to develop alternate solutions. Oil is not infinite, is not a clean solution. So if these companies had looked long term, when the problems started they should have been there with a solution. Instead they disrupted global societies to feed the greed of the upper 1%....

I agree "Single Pay".... Supplemented with "insurance" if one wants. Do not like the idea of being forced to pay health insurance, it is not like a car that I can get rid of if the costs are too high. Then again do not pay, die or go to jail and get government care there.

Falling behind alright, know that if I want to work I need to move to India or China. We just like playing war foreign and domestic as those countries achieve economic dominance, own us - the Republicans and those that remained silent played a losing hand.....

[mtz]

Heh...

Now it's 'Republican Death Panels' Sarah Palin would be so proud.

[disrupter]

Feeling good empowers & emboldens people who may otherwise feel uncomfortable telling the truths of THEIR existences,

rather than forever listening to the melodramatics of the cynical republican mechanic's agenda.

You have personal, selfish interests as a human being?

Hooray for you!

THAT is what America was founded on.

Not unnecessary wars for cynical, evil profiteers & politically expedient & constitutional liberty hating Republicans.

The US Constitution is a LIBERAL document.
Republicans HATE it AND defile it.

[CosmicRocker]

Grayson scares off GOP in 2010


Two more top-tier Republicans bow out of Grayson race
GOP can't find an elected official to take on flamboyant congressman
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4859096.story
Sentinel Staff Writers

Two more top-tier Republicans decided Tuesday that they would not challenge U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson for his Orlando congressional seat -- leaving the GOP establishment without a favored candidate against the outspoken freshman Democrat.

Within hours of each other, former state Sen. Daniel Webster and conservative businessman Jerry Pierce announced they would not run, a setback for the party given Webster's experience and Pierce's commitment to spend $200,000 of his own money.

That leaves a pair of Tea Party activists -- Patricia Sullivan from Eustis and Dan Fanelli of Orlando -- and transplanted Miami developer Armando Gutierrez Jr., as likely Grayson foes. Others are considering bids, but it seems unlikely the GOP will get someone with elected experience.

David Wasserman, House editor for the non-partisan Cook Political Report, said Grayson's wealth -- at least $31 million -- and willingness to attack the opposition has scared away potential opponents, including Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty and state Rep. Steve Precourt, R-Orlando. Both said last week they wouldn't run.

"Grayson obviously will have a lot of money to spend and if recent history is any indication, it's not to be in a friendly, all-smiles way," said Wasserman, whose Washington-based newsletter handicaps elections. It ranks Grayson's race as a "toss-up" -- the only one in Florida.

Webster and pierce both cited family considerations in bowing out. But Webster discounted the notion that Republicans were afraid of taking on Grayson, who ran a bruising campaign to beat four-term incumbent Ric Keller last year.

"It's certainly not true for me," said Webster, R-Winter Garden. "He was not the issue," adding that the race didn't feel right "in the gut."

Republicans vowed to topple Grayson as soon as he was declared the winner last year. Their fervor has only grown as he has attacked Republicans in Congress, including a speech last week saying Republicans dislike President Barack Obama so much they would try to "ban bacon" if Obama ate a BLT.

But though the GOP has reasons to be hopeful -- Democrats barely outnumber Republicans in a district that covers parts of Orange, Lake, Marion and Osceola counties, and Grayson won't have Obama at the top of the ticket in 2010 -- none of its favored candidates has stepped up.

And while Gutierrez has nabbed some endorsements -- most notably, from U.S. Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Tarpon Springs -- the party establishment has not united behind him, or anyone else.

Wasserman said that disconnect could be attributed to a divide between established GOP officials and the growing Tea Party movement, which has loudly protested against government spending, health-care reform and Washington in general.

"That's a key challenge for any Republican challenger in 2010 -- how do you reconcile these two sides?" he said.
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