The CNN Michael Moore interview

[Mr, gone]

Regardless of how members feel about this man, I for one am glad that he at least has the balls to confront these corrupt financial institutions.:thumbsup: The government has pissed away almost a trillion of your dollars! IMO this bailout is only a band aid for a short legth time. They had to do it, the ecomomy had severed a major financial artery. And don't let this debate over healthcare fool you (this intense capitalist greed over these last 30 years, has economically wrecked any chance for universal healthcare)!

I can't understand how those of you who supported the recent tea party, could then turn around and condemn Michael Moore for basically trumpeting the same song. I get it that he has social democratic leanings. At this point in our Capitalist ways, it should be clear to all - that the well is running very low.

IMO, we need to a least entertain a social democracy - one which has worked in numerous other countries for hundreds of years. All these countries continue to have very even wealth distribution, low un-employment and crime - with a very successful universal healthcare program. it's citizen's are ranked among the most happy of any country around the world.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/oct2006/gb20061011_072596.htm

I still want to love this country in which I was born. I will NOT however, blindly wave the flag, put a rubber ball in my mouth - and silently bend over to get the shaft! I feel sorry for you bloated masses that are beginning to look more and more like pigs to the slaughter.:disbelief:

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[MarkMiller]

He's a fat fucker. I can't stand him.

But I like his movies....oddly enough. LOL!

[Citizen]

As far as film techniques are concerned Michael Moore films utilizes those no differently than Leni Riefenstahl.

[The_Limit]

As far as film techniques are concerned Michael Moore films utilizes those no differently than Leni Riefenstahl.


WTF?

A nazi filmmaker and Michael Moore?

In all seriousness, what exactly is the point of the above post?

[Citizen]

WTF?

A nazi filmmaker and Michael Moore?

In all seriousness, what exactly is the point of the above post?

*A nazi filmmaker and a socialist filmmaker. Both use/used a methods of propaganda.

[The_Limit]

*A nazi filmmaker and a socialist filmmaker. Both use/used a methods of propaganda.

Everyone uses propaganda techniques made famous by Reifenstahl. Thats pretty much filmmaking 101.

I still don't get what you're saying. Whats the connection?

You need to be more specific.

[Bill Cosby]

I don't know anything about the nazi you are refering to. I do know a bit about Moore.........

Seems to me he uses little pretense & is quite up front about what he is doing...... I would not think that would be an atribute of a nazi propogandist...

[The_Limit]

I don't know anything about the nazi you are refering to. I do know a bit about Moore.........

Seems to me he uses little pretense & is quite up front about what he is doing...... I would not think that would be an atribute of a nazi propogandist...

She is famous for two reasons.

She shot the Nazi propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will."

And two, she came up with revolutionary filmmaking techniques that are still used to this very day.

Thats why I am perplexed as to what Citizen said. She was known for revolutionizing film techniques, so of course a lot of todays filmmakers could be said to use the Reifenstahl model.

But Moore politcally has nothing to do with Reifenstahl.

So I dont see the connection.

[Citizen]

She is famous for two reasons.

She shot the Nazi propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will."

And two, she came up with revolutionary filmmaking techniques that are still used to this very day.

Thats why I am perplexed as to what Citizen said. She was known for revolutionizing film techniques, so of course a lot of todays filmmakers could be said to use the Reifenstahl model.

But Moore politcally has nothing to do with Reifenstahl.

So I dont see the connection.

I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about filming techniques and methods of propaganda which both used to advance their own political agendas.

[Bill Cosby]

She is famous for two reasons.

She shot the Nazi propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will."

And two, she came up with revolutionary filmmaking techniques that are still used to this very day.

Thats why I am perplexed as to what Citizen said. She was known for revolutionizing film techniques, so of course a lot of todays filmmakers could be said to use the Reifenstahl model.

But Moore politcally has nothing to do with Reifenstahl.

So I dont see the connection.

Ok I know a bit about her..... THNX

[The_Limit]

I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about filming techniques and methods of propaganda which both used to advance their own political agendas.


But thousands of political parties, filmmakers across the globe uses those same techniques. Left, right, center, crazy, Africa, Europe, North America etc.

It's as standard as the metric system.

You said yourself its not about the content.

So again, what is the point of saying Moore uses the same filmmaking techniques as 99 per cent of the world uses that just happened to be made famous by a Nazi filmmaker?

Its like Saying North Korea and Canada use the same metric system just for the sake of saying North Korea and Canada in the same sentence.

As if you're trying to link the two somehow just because you mentioned them together in the same sentence.

[Bill Cosby]

I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about filming techniques and methods of propaganda which both used to advance their own political agendas.

Sorry I totally disagree w/ your comparison.

Lots of movies have an agenda....

Sell cereal or save whales & trees, so what.... WHy not compare his flicks w/ them instead.......???

Cause it sounds much more ominous & sinister by comparing them to :mad: "nazi'z":mad: :mad:

How are you not doing, in a sense, the very thing you accuse them of doing........??????

[Bill Cosby]

But thousands of political parties, filmmakers across the globe uses those same techniques. Left, right, center, crazy, Africa, Europe, North America etc.

It's as standard as the metric system.

You said yourself its not about the content.

So again, what is the point of saying Moore uses the same filmmaking techniques as 99 per cent of the world uses that just happened to be made famous by a Nazi filmmaker?

Its like Saying North Korea and Canada use the same metric system just for the sake of saying North Korea and Canada use the same metric system.

Yep.......... He would seem to be doing the same thing he accuses them of...

Dear leader drink CHivas so everyone that drinks it supports his nuke program...

[Dale escondido]

Moore seems to be right on with his views on these issues.
Although believing Obama intentionally brought in the crooks to fix the mess they created is at the least interesting.
I am thrilled that even a hard left guy like Moore is starting to question government.
When corporations and government are both held responsible and play their appropiate roles in our lives we will finallky move into the 21st century.

[The_Limit]

Moore seems to be right on with his views on these issues.
Although believing Obama intentionally brought in the crooks to fix the mess they created is at the least interesting.
I am thrilled that even a hard left guy like Moore is starting to question government.
When corporations and government are both held responsible and play their appropiate roles in our lives we will finallky move into the 21st century.

The fact is, love him or hate him, Moore has been waaaay ahead of the curve.

It all started with Roger and Me.

[doctordog]

The fact is, love him or hate him, Moore has been waaaay ahead of the curve.

It all started with Roger and Me.

And it all ended with 'K-mart is responsible for Columbine":banghead:

[Citizen]

Michael Moore is a political propagandist. True or false?

[doctordog]

Michael Moore is a political propagandist. True or false?

Absolutely, and only films interviews of people that agree or cuts and edits to get his message portrayed.

[The_Limit]

And it all ended with 'K-mart is responsible for Columbine":banghead:

Of course he never said that.

But go on.

[The_Limit]

Absolutely, and only films interviews of people that agree or cuts and edits to get his message portrayed.

He lets the images and people of his films do the talking.

He was right on with Roger and me, absolutely right on farehenheit 9/11, ahead of the curve with Sicko, and with his latest film...well i havent seen it yet.

[doctordog]

Of course he never said that.

But go on.


He did say that, he even went to the store and accused everyone in there of being part of that, go rent the movie.

[The_Limit]

He did say that, he even went to the store and accused everyone in there of being part of that, go rent the movie.

I've seen it.

All he said was the bullets found in the boy's body came from Kmart.

And they did.

Like I said, he lets the images, facts and people do his talking for him, thats what a great filmmaker does.

[Bill Cosby]

Moore seems to be right on with his views on these issues.
Although believing Obama intentionally brought in the crooks to fix the mess they created is at the least interesting.
I am thrilled that even a hard left guy like Moore is starting to question government.
When corporations and government are both held responsible and play their appropiate roles in our lives we will finallky move into the 21st century.

Yea I am sure my eyebrow raised on reading that to...

It makes sense in a way but as nothing------>>> & I do mean nothing has been fixed for leak proofed I have to wonder what he would base that on other than pure wishful thinking...

If nothing else they should have rolled back much of the regs.......

I would look @ everything r rubin touched......... What he has done is surely unethical..................

[doctordog]

I've seen it.

All he said was the bullets found in the boy's body came from Kmart.

And they did.

And then what did he do, he went to K-mart and badgered that store manager, then to K-mart corporate ending in them pulling ammunition at all stores. He never once tried to hold the boys or their parents accountable.

He is a piece of shit movie capitalist making money from the same people claiming to be against capitalism.

[Citizen]

I've seen it.

All he said was the bullets found in the boy's body came from Kmart.

And they did.

Like I said, he lets the images, facts and people do his talking for him, thats what a great filmmaker does.

You know shit about film and everything else for that matter.

[The_Limit]

And then what did he do, he went to K-mart and badgered that store manager, then to K-mart corporate ending in them pulling ammunition at all stores. He never once tried to hold the boys or their parents accountable.



First of all, all he said was the bullets found in the boy's body came from kmart and they did.

Kmart could have told him to fuck off, but they didn't.

They felt bad, and pulled all ammunition from their stores. I don't understand what your problem is?

2) I didn't know it was the boys fault they got shot.

[Citizen]

For those who refuse to suck Michael Moore's dick...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore_Hates_America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FahrenHYPE_9/11

[The_Limit]

You know shit about film and everything else for that matter.

What does this weak attempt to get personal have to do with the issue?

[The_Limit]

For those who refuse to suck Michael Moore's dick...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore_Hates_America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FahrenHYPE_9/11

Can't speak for yourself, huh?

[Bill Cosby]

For those who refuse to suck Michael Moore's dick...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore_Hates_America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FahrenHYPE_9/11

So everything the man has done in your opinion is worthless & w/out merit of any kind what so ever........

???????????????????????

[The_Limit]

So everything the man has done in your opinion is worthless & w/out merit of any kind what so ever........

???????????????????????

Have you ever seen those two movies?

Its funny because the two movies never question the facts behind Moore's movie.

They just hate how he went about it.

[Bill Cosby]

Nope..... I prob haven't seen the movies they are mocking either........

But I bet they were real box office smashes. I wonder if they are on his lists anywhere???

[Dale escondido]

Yea I am sure my eyebrow raised on reading that to...

It makes sense in a way but as nothing------>>> & I do mean nothing has been fixed for leak proofed I have to wonder what he would base that on other than pure wishful thinking...

If nothing else they should have rolled back much of the regs.......

I would look @ everything r rubin touched......... What he has done is surely unethical..................

I have never seen a Moore movie ever but i found his statements in the interview very in line with my thinking.
And I believe putting regs back in place would be a great start.
Many solutions were a result of mistates and corrections from the great deporession but dropped as quick fixes.
As corporations gain more control over their paid for politicians I see only regulations that appear to be in our interest coming down the line.

[Bill Cosby]

I have never seen a Moore movie ever but i found his statements in the interview very in line with my thinking.
And I believe putting regs back in place would be a great start.
Many solutions were a result of mistates and corrections from the great deporession but dropped as quick fixes.
As corporations gain more control over their paid for politicians I see only regulations that appear to be in our interest coming down the line.
Agreed. I can't see how anyone could disgree w/ that...

Only movie I have seen of his was SickO..........

Up until seeing that movie I was against HC/hillary care etc.....

I was shocked & disgusted by it.............. I took the challenge......

I look into it & contrary to the spin what he was saying was indeed factual.....

Ppl in prison & Gitmo are getting care many Americans w/out care would die for (pun intended)........

That is not right...........

Then the money..................... We can't afford this..........

Then I see how much the war costs......... (head scratchy smiley here)

Canadians & French but not Americans???? http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/homer-simpson-life-in-a-minute-bart-lisa-beer-duff-hulk-baby-maggie-marge.jpg

[Citizen]

So everything the man has done in your opinion is worthless & w/out merit of any kind what so ever........

???????????????????????

Gun violence is bad, I agree.

More strict gun laws is the answer to gun violence, I disagree.

Our health care system has problems, I agree.

The solution is Cuban/Canadian-style health care, I disagree.

The bailouts were bad, I agree.

The bailouts happened because of capitalism, I disagree.

Its not difficult to say things that have merit to them. Even the most dumbest posters in here have said things with some merit to them. "The economy is bad" - merit. "The solution is more government intervention" - no merit.

[Bill Cosby]

Gun violence is bad, I agree.

More strict gun laws is the answer to gun violence, I disagree.

Our health care system has problems, I agree.

The solution is Cuban/Canadian-style health care, I disagree.

The bailouts were bad, I agree.

The bailouts happened because of capitalism, I disagree.

Its not difficult to say things that have merit to them. Even the most dumbest posters in here have said things with some merit to them. "The economy is bad" - merit. "The solution is more government intervention" - no merit.

So you are gonna try to wiggle out of that little box I painted for you??? :talktothehand:

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Sure..... But I think there was some merit in the movie SickO.......... & was for me an awakening of sorts.......

I have not looked but I guess it is safe to assume none of those were on your lists....

I think in general I agree w/ your takes there.... I do take exception to the capitalism remark....

It was the fault of capitalism.. The more it became unfettered the more the collapse become inevitable...

Some of you would wish to give capitalism all the praise & none of the blame but that is not the case & I think you know that…….

I think it would fit real nice in your give & take, ying & yang lines there…

I agree capitalism is a good system,
I disagree it is better one w/out regulations….. :)

[Hog Trash]

Regardless of how members feel about this man, I for one am glad that he at least has the balls to confront these corrupt financial institutions.:thumbsup: I happen to agree with Moore on his assessment of what capitalism has digressed into and the political corruption that made it possible.

I am wary of his solutions as he seemed a bit evasive about his politics and repeatedly spoke about "democracy" as his plan when much more is obviously needed.

He was on the right track when he was critisizing Clinton and Bush for their part in the economic crisis but the red flags shot up when he bagan sucking Obama's cock in the first minute of the second video.

He did critisize Obama's choice of Economic Advisors calling them the "foxes guarding the hen house" but didn't seem to believe it indicated that Obama had no intentions of actually fixing the economy.

Hey Michael Moore!...Obama hand picked those "foxes guarding the henhouse" and you acknowledged that!...Doesnt that tell you his real intentions, einstein?...Nothings going to change for the better!

I'm still pretty convinced that he's just another Obama lackey who will blindly support him hoping that someday he will bring about his socialist utopian dream...I don't believe he is a Christian as he claims either.

[John Galt]

Moore didn't represent himself well in that interview.

I would've thought that all the time he spent on the topic, would've prepared him for the questions he would no doubt be asked...


Yes...Moore is now wealthy. What's the difference? He doesn't have lobbyists bribing Congress to pass laws that force people to see his movies.

I can't believe he just stammered through that question.


While Moore does bring important issues to the attention of the public, he does use creative editing to embellish a tad, to make his points.

I was unimpressed by the majority of his responses to Wolf's questions.

[doctordog]

So everything the man has done in your opinion is worthless & w/out merit of any kind what so ever........

???????????????????????

Hell yes, I would rate every low life pundit above anything he produces. What is even funnier is no matter what kind of left fringe movie he puts out people flock to it. He is a capitalist preying off followers of a message.

[Mr, gone]

I'm still pretty convinced that he's just another Obama lackey who will blindly support him hoping that someday he will bring about his socialist utopian dream...I don't believe he is a Christian as he claims either.

I disagree, Michael Moore said repeatedly that he is taking a wait and see approach reqarding obama's ability to rectify all the damage that was done BEFORE his election. He did indicate his optimism toward Obama though.

IMO Hog, you need to ween yourself off this wacky fixation about Obama being a socialist (pure fantasy).:lmao2:

What may or may not constitute a GOOD christian is purely subjective speculation on anyones part - and is completely irrelevent in this discussion.:D

[Hog Trash]

IMO Hog, you need to ween yourself off this wacky fixation about Obama being a socialist (pure fantasy).:lmao2:
You should research Obama's history before you defend or advise.

[Hog Trash]

Originally Posted by Mr, gone Also, you should vote with your head instead of your heart, emotions and white guilt.

It wouldn't hurt to stop putting blind faith in an obvious biased press and media.

I am neither democrat or republican and am looking through an unobstructed field of vision.

Research for yourself...The truth is out there waiting for you...Seek and ye shall find.

[Mr, gone]

Hog,

If your libertarian test has any merit, I scored 57 which is a moderate. I am actually an independant, and am quite capable in forming my own opinions. I also do not possess the GOD delusion, which creates for those who believe - a huge stumbling block to rational and logical thought (IMO). :D

[Hog Trash]

Hog,

If your libertarian test has any merit, I scored 57 which is a moderate. I am actually an independant, and am quite capable in forming my own opinions. I also do not possess the GOD delusion, which creates for those who believe - a huge stumbling block to rational and logical thought (IMO). :DIf the test indicated you are a "moderate" but you voted for Obama that would indicate you are either a poorly informed moderate or a misinformed moderate....See how it works?

[nobull]

Moore seems to be right on with his views on these issues.
Although believing Obama intentionally brought in the crooks to fix the mess they created is at the least interesting.
I am thrilled that even a hard left guy like Moore is starting to question government.
When corporations and government are both held responsible and play their appropiate roles in our lives we will finallky move into the 21st century.

Roughly said, the crux of this latest documentary of Michael Moore's is that the whole concept of capitalism was overshadowed by greed (thus the title), but that the US government was too willing to forgive the greedy bastards and therefore is equally at fault.

I haven't seen the film yet, but I wonder if he offers up any solution because the financial institutions, although responsible for the economic tsunami worldwide, needed an injection of large amounts of money in order to get the flow of credit back into the free market system (capitalism). The only entity could possibly do that was the US Government with its vast borrowing power. Nothing about this passed the smell test, but what were the options?

[kres24GT]

Michale Moore is a guy who is a millionaire thanks to capitalism. What Michael is covering isn't capitalism though, it's Big Government in bed with Big Business. The bigger government gets, the worse it will be.

[John Galt]

Michale Moore is a guy who is a millionaire thanks to capitalism. What Michael is covering isn't capitalism though, it's Big Government in bed with Big Business. The bigger government gets, the worse it will be.
Technically, you're correct. I believe we can now use the term Capitalism as not only an economic system, but a political one as well.

It's quicker than using a phrase like "legislation for pay", or "legislator for hire", when describing our current system of govt.

Either way, the point is clear. Money talks.

[Hog Trash]

Michale Moore is a guy who is a millionaire thanks to capitalism. What Michael is covering isn't capitalism though, it's Big Government in bed with Big Business. The bigger government gets, the worse it will be.I have never seen a Michael Moore movie however I have seen clips from his Bowling For Columbine documentory.

It was an absolute rediculous anti-gun/Second Amendment propaganda movie by a very poorly informed, liberal film maker.


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[xav8terx]

I have never seen a Michael Moore movie however I did see clips from his Bowling For Columbine documentory.

It was an absolute rediculous anti-gun/Second Amendment propaganda movie by a very poorly informed and biased film maker.


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You've never seen one but you know what they are about?? LMFAO

[Hog Trash]

You've never seen one but you know what they are about?? LMFAOCorrect...

[Dale escondido]

Roughly said, the crux of this latest documentary of Michael Moore's is that the whole concept of capitalism was overshadowed by greed (thus the title), but that the US government was too willing to forgive the greedy bastards and therefore is equally at fault.

I haven't seen the film yet, but I wonder if he offers up any solution because the financial institutions, although responsible for the economic tsunami worldwide, needed an injection of large amounts of money in order to get the flow of credit back into the free market system (capitalism). The only entity could possibly do that was the US Government with its vast borrowing power. Nothing about this passed the smell test, but what were the options?

I am thrilled anytime I see a post blaming government as much as business.
I know I will never see eye to eye with most liberals but believe holding leadership to higher standards than business helps them regulate business for the betterment of us all.

[Seraphim]

I have never seen a Moore movie ever but i found his statements in the interview very in line with my thinking.
And I believe putting regs back in place would be a great start.
Many solutions were a result of mistates and corrections from the great deporession but dropped as quick fixes.
As corporations gain more control over their paid for politicians I see only regulations that appear to be in our interest coming down the line.

Take the time to watch "Sicko". I found myself screaming at the tube several times regarding this government and health care.

[Mr, gone]

If the test indicated you are a "moderate" but you voted for Obama that would indicate you are either a poorly informed moderate or a misinformed moderate....See how it works?


Where in your ass did you put out this shit that I may have voted for Obama?:lmao2:

[kres24GT]

Technically, you're correct. I believe we can now use the term Capitalism as not only an economic system, but a political one as well.

It's quicker than using a phrase like "legislation for pay", or "legislator for hire", when describing our current system of govt.

Either way, the point is clear. Money talks.


Capitalism is a free market, we don't have that, we have one where big government and big business are partners in crime.

[nobull]

Michale Moore is a guy who is a millionaire thanks to capitalism. What Michael is covering isn't capitalism though, it's Big Government in bed with Big Business. The bigger government gets, the worse it will be.

Yes. That's why it's a film people should see even if they hate Michael Moore.

[nobull]

Michael Moore wants to take the MONEY out of campaigns, which is a start. Give all the candidates who have collected enough signatures to run an equal amount of money taken in by little checkmark on your 1040, and/or subsidize the media to run an equal number of advertisements.

So many people don't understand how elections are influenced by how much face time candidates can afford. Thus the best ones often don't win the Grand Prize (or even the smaller ones). Since Moore has a loud voice in the arena, maybe that message will finally come across loud (and clear).

[kres24GT]

Yes. That's why it's a film people should see even if they hate Michael Moore.


I watch all of his films, they are very entertaining. I disagree with the messages, but good fun, Moore has a good sense of humor and always makes an entertaining product.

[MichMike]

Capitalism is a free market, we don't have that, we have one where big government and big business are partners in crime.


Nobody has that. Why? Because much of the time Government helps keep big business in check or fills in the gaps a for-profit system leaves behind. Yes, there are partnerships that exist (see corn subsidies) as a result of a lazy public (democracy) not demanding better, but the thought that letting the Magic Pixie Dust of the beloved "free market" solve all problems is only supported by a mindset tantamount the "world is flat" crowd. Interestingly, both positions have the same number of supporters. : )

[Captain Obvious]

Nobody has that. Why? Because much of the time Government helps keep big business in check or fills in the gaps a for-profit system leaves behind. Yes, there are partnerships that exist (see corn subsidies) as a result of a lazy public (democracy) not demanding better, but the thought that letting the Magic Pixie Dust of the beloved "free market" solve all problems is only supported by a mindset tantamount the "world is flat" crowd. Interestingly, both positions have the same number of supporters. : )

He's almost on the mark but his socialist mentality clouded his vision.

Our bought-and-paid-for representatives bow to the demand of special interests, especially those who can help their campaigns like ACORN.

You don't think the O'bama fucked the GM bondholders out of their fair share of settlement and called them "unamerican" to further pressure them so he can turn around and give his buddies at the UAW bigger stakes in the company?

[MichMike]

He's almost on the mark but his socialist mentality clouded his vision.

Our bought-and-paid-for representatives bow to the demand of special interests, especially those who can help their campaigns like ACORN.

You don't think the O'bama fucked the GM bondholders out of their fair share of settlement and called them "unamerican" to further pressure them so he can turn around and give his buddies at the UAW bigger stakes in the company?


Well, I live in Michigan and happen to work in financial services. I was involved in the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Do you want to discuss what happened? The crazy Libertarian solution?

If there was ever a case where the government HAD to help out in order to save a state, this was it.

...and no, the unions were hammered when this went down believe me. At least the union members that don't vote (retirees and newbees).

What would the bondholders have received after a Chapter 7...think about it

[Captain Obvious]

Well, I live in Michigan and happen to work in financial services. I was involved in the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Do you want to discuss what happened?

No thanks.

You're probably a fucking collection agent anyway.

You're definitely a moron, but thanks for playing.

[MichMike]

No thanks.

You're probably a fucking collection agent anyway.

You're definitely a moron, but thanks for playing.


So much for a discussion. Have you heard of DIP financing?

Anyway, stop with the big talk from behind your cozy computer. It makes you look inferior in every way.


Here is a quick teaching for you straight from the Motor City:


Libertarian strategy - GM, Chrysler and likely Ford all file chapter 7...millions of lives destroyed and U.S losses large chunk of manufacturing base

Obama strategy - GM lives and purchases government stock back in 2010 (ending rumors that Obama wants to "run" the car companies). Detroit still hurting but millions of jobs saved.

[Hog Trash]

Where in your ass did you put out this shit that I may have voted for Obama?:lmao2:It was more of a blanket statement for people who scored high on the test but voted for Obama.

I suppose I sort of used your post as a vehicle to deliver my messege to the masses. :angel:

[kres24GT]

LMAO @ MichMike, what a delusional jackass

[Citizen]

LMAO @ MichMike, what a delusional jackass

I like free speech, it exposes all the idiots.