R.I.P. Kimi Young, 22, Another Casualty of Our For-Profit Deathcare System.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Another bright young life snuffed out because of our crappy health care system. And, if history's any indication, no one in Congress will care until it happens to one of their own family:



OXFORD — Friends say the Miami University graduate who died this week after reportedly suffering from swine flu delayed getting medical treatment because she did not have health insurance.

News of Kimberly Young’s death Wednesday, Sept. 23, came as a shock to those who knew the vibrant 22-year-old who was working at least two jobs in Oxford after graduating with a double major in December 2008.

Young became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost, according to Brent Mowery, her friend and former roommate.

Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.

On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.

“That’s the most tragic part about it. If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,” Mowery said.

Family members indicated that Young died from complications from the H1N1 virus, but the Ohio Department of Health, the Hamilton County Health District and the Butler County Health Department were unable to confirm she had been infected with the virus.

Bret Atkins, of ODH, said late Thursday afternoon that his department had not received a specimen yet to test for the H1N1 virus. If it is confirmed, Young would be the fourth Ohioan to die from the virus and the second from Butler County.

Young, known as “Kimi” to her friends and family, graduated from Elmwood High School in Wayne, Ohio, and earned a bachelor of arts in international studies and a bachelor of fine arts, while minoring in French and Spanish.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/rip-kimi-young-22-another-casualty-ou

[Mason66]

Another bright young life snuffed out because of our crappy health care system. And, if history's any indication, no one in Congress will care until it happens to one of their own family:



OXFORD — Friends say the Miami University graduate who died this week after reportedly suffering from swine flu delayed getting medical treatment because she did not have health insurance.

News of Kimberly Young’s death Wednesday, Sept. 23, came as a shock to those who knew the vibrant 22-year-old who was working at least two jobs in Oxford after graduating with a double major in December 2008.

Young became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost, according to Brent Mowery, her friend and former roommate.

Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.

On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.

“That’s the most tragic part about it. If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,” Mowery said.

Family members indicated that Young died from complications from the H1N1 virus, but the Ohio Department of Health, the Hamilton County Health District and the Butler County Health Department were unable to confirm she had been infected with the virus.

Bret Atkins, of ODH, said late Thursday afternoon that his department had not received a specimen yet to test for the H1N1 virus. If it is confirmed, Young would be the fourth Ohioan to die from the virus and the second from Butler County.

Young, known as “Kimi” to her friends and family, graduated from Elmwood High School in Wayne, Ohio, and earned a bachelor of arts in international studies and a bachelor of fine arts, while minoring in French and Spanish.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/rip-kimi-young-22-another-casualty-ou

Yo have got to be kidding.

It is the fault of the insurance company that she didn't have coverage?

She made the decision to not seek care, for whatever reason. Totally her fault.

[bairdi]

Yo have got to be kidding.

It is the fault of the insurance company that she didn't have coverage?

She made the decision to not seek care, for whatever reason. Totally her fault.
No, nothing in that article alludes that it is the fault of insurance companies but rather the way in which the health care system is structured in this country.

[John Galt]

I can't lay this one on the insurance mess we call healthcare.


"Family members indicated"?

She was a recent graduate, with at least some support system at home. How much could a doctor visit possibly cost? $100.00?

This is a common problem with the youth in this country. They opt out of health insurance, thinking that they won't need it. There is no such thing as paying absolutely nothing for your general health...unless you are poverty stricken.


I have problems with the stories of patients that have coverage, but the necessary treatments "aren't covered", or aren't considered "normal, or accepted" methods.

Or...the stories of patients that die while waiting for ins. co approval.


This kid chose not to go to the doctor. This wasn't major surgery. She probably could've found a free flu shot months before.

[Cookie]

That was it; she didn't want to spend the money. At that particular place in time, she valued money over her health. Unfortunately, that was the wrong decision and it did her in.

Many counties in the U.S. have health depts. where services are free or based on a sliding scale. There are options all around, not just the emergency room.

It's a tragedy that Kimi passed away from her illness. Equally tragic that she could have gone for medical care but chose not to while her flu was still treatable.
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[Zebulon0351]

I think the question to ask here is how many people die in the United States every year because of a similar circumstance?

How many of our elderly stay at home when they become sick because they can't afford the steep medical bills?

How many of recently laid off workers who are about to lose their home refuse to go to the hospital when they get sick? How many of them died as a result?

How many people get bitten by a snake or a spider and decide to sit it out and take their chances because they are afraid of emptyig their bank accounts?

How many people get a concussion every year and die because they didn't want to pay the ER $500+?

[Cookie]

I think the question to ask here is how many people die in the United States every year because of a similar circumstance?

How many of our elderly stay at home when they become sick because they can't afford the steep medical bills?

How many of recently laid off workers who are about to lose their home refuse to go to the hospital when they get sick? How many of them died as a result?

How many people get bitten by a snake or a spider and decide to sit it out and take their chances because they are afraid of emptyig their bank accounts?

How many people get a concussion every year and die because they didn't want to pay the ER $500+?


Those are serious questions, and some of them need to be addressed by our society because that is the place answers will be found. But I don't think they are pertinent to Kimi's situation. She was working 2 jobs since graduation. This young lady had some money and options many of those described in your post do not. She chose to do nothing, and unfortunately paid for it with her life. Although I'm sorry about it, I don't feel her death was our (collective) responsibility.
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[Mason66]

No, nothing in that article alludes that it is the fault of insurance companies but rather the way in which the health care system is structured in this country.

Bairdi, I wasn't talking about the article but this guy rushes to post something like this to show how the evil corporations are killing people.

I assume he doesn't agree with personal responsibility.

I guess the government should have busted down her door and dragged her to the doctor, or at least forced her to have had insurance.

Even if she had the insurance, who is to say she would have wanted to pay the deductible.

LLD, maybe if you are lucky all the evil insurance companies will go out of business. How many people will die then, do you think?

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Bairdi, I wasn't talking about the article but this guy rushes to post something like this to show how the evil corporations are killing people.

I assume he doesn't agree with personal responsibility.

I guess the government should have busted down her door and dragged her to the doctor, or at least forced her to have had insurance.

Even if she had the insurance, who is to say she would have wanted to pay the deductible.

LLD, maybe if you are lucky all the evil insurance companies will go out of business. How many people will die then, do you think?
Mason...how many more people have to be purged from insurance rolls and how many small businesses should lose their plans for employees just to satisfy the stockholders and heads of the companies all in the name of a bigger profit margin?

How many surgeries must be denied for bogus bulshit reasons and how high do premiums have to go before enough is enough?

[Bill Cosby]

Enough???

Enough????

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enough- as in more than enough regulations already.........

Enough- as in money= never enough...........

Corp's decide what is justified... If spending 55 million to fix a car part is wieghed against 55 more deaths it is a matter of econmics not morality..

Savign that 55 million is a far "wiZer" decision in their minds as opposed paying off the familes of the 55 for a couple million @ most...

Now I imagine there will be some flocking to tell me how that is just the way it is & that it is ok......... & they do so cause it is not their wife or kid dead or crippled as a result...........

[MintJulep]

I think the question to ask here is how many people die in the United States every year because of a similar circumstance?

How many of our elderly stay at home when they become sick because they can't afford the steep medical bills?

How many of recently laid off workers who are about to lose their home refuse to go to the hospital when they get sick? How many of them died as a result?

How many people get bitten by a snake or a spider and decide to sit it out and take their chances because they are afraid of emptyig their bank accounts?

How many people get a concussion every year and die because they didn't want to pay the ER $500+?No one in this country is ever denied emergency care, regardless of money.

How much does a doctor's office visit cost? Fifty, sixty bucks? That is just bullshit. A doctor's office visit isn't supposed to be a dollar. Does your auto insurance pay the bill when you have a tune up?

[Bill Cosby]

$50 or $60????

Where is that @................ You know it is much higher than that..

[ROdger Right]

Costs less than a weeks worth of weed

[doctordog]

Costs less than a weeks worth of weed

Or a cell phone, i-pod, the drinks she had earlier in the week where she probably caught the strain. She died from stupiduty.

[kres24GT]

Someone should have forced her to be insured?

[Mason66]

Mason...how many more people have to be purged from insurance rolls and how many small businesses should lose their plans for employees[/B] just to satisfy the stockholders and heads of the companies all in the name of a bigger profit margin?

How many surgeries must be denied for bogus bulshit reasons and how high do premiums have to go before enough is enough?

None of those points have anything to do with this story you posted. You just wanted to slant it to make it look like the "Deathcare" industry was responsible.

She was responsible for her own actions and they put them where she was just like your actions put you where you are.

Now tell me why did you post this story anyway? Did you think anybody on this board would not see through the smoke screen?

Why don't you post stories about the millions of people that are happy with thier health care and receive good service form thier insurance company?

Oh that's right, it doesn't fit with your agenda.

You need to analyze your position on evil corporations. If they went away tomorrow, the country would die quickly. No jobs, no services and no products.

They are not the enemy, at least not to us, maybe to you.

[Mason66]

Someone should have forced her to be insured?

No, LLD should have been there to take her to the doctor and pay for it. After all, he thinks people are not responsible for thier own actions.

[kres24GT]

Sounds like with two jobs, college educated, she could afford insurance. Just an educated guess.

[MichMike]

Sounds like with two jobs, college educated, she could afford insurance. Just an educated guess.

Hundreds of thousands of people in the country, with jobs, go bankrupt, are forced to spend their kids education money and end up destroyed due to hundreds of thousands of dollars of healthcare cost. 25% - 60% of bankrupcies are caused by healthcare bills.


and yet...you people pretend it's not happening or is not impacting you. Stupid frankly.



The new bills build a universal insurance base (where the risk is spread) and put CAPS on how much we all have to spend on healthcare. What in the hell is wrong with that?

[kres24GT]

Hundreds of thousands of people in the country, with jobs, go bankrupt, are forced to spend their kids education money and end up destroyed due to hundreds of thousands of dollars of healthcare cost. 25% - 60% of bankrupcies are caused by healthcare bills.


and yet...you people pretend it's not happening or is not impacting you. Stupid frankly.



The new bills build a universal insurance base (where the risk is spread) and put CAPS on how much we all have to spend on healthcare. What in the hell is wrong with that?


I don't support anyone telling another person what they can charge for their time, services, property, or products. I would never want government telling me what I can charge for my services, I afford the same respect for everyone.

If you want people provided with healthcare, socialize it and do it with government employees. Don't force people and companies to provide you with their time and services at a price you think is fair.

Anyway you dodged my question, why was she uninsured?

[MichMike]

I don't support anyone telling another person what they can charge for their time, services, property, or products. I would never want government telling me what I can charge for my services, I afford the same respect for everyone.

If you want people provided with healthcare, socialize it and do it with government employees. Don't force people and companies to provide you with their time and services at a price you think is fair.

Anyway you dodged my question, why was she uninsured?

I know, I know...you are a beloved Libertarian...where Santa Clause is alive and all prosper provided government is eliminated and business is allowed to spread its magic pixie dust.

As for your post, are you for eliminating Medicare, Medicaid and Schip along with the insurance industry as a whole (it regulates what doctors receive as well)?


Hint: it's going to get tougher as we move from your ideology and into the real world

[kres24GT]

I know, I know...you are a beloved Libertarian...where Santa Clause is alive and all prosper provided government is eliminated and business is allowed to spread its magic pixie dust.

As for your post, are you for eliminating Medicare, Medicaid and Schip along with the insurance industry as a whole (it regulates what doctors receive as well)?


Hint: it's going to get tougher as we move from your ideology and into the real world

I am for eliminating anything where government tells someone what they can charge for their time, services, property, and products. Would you ever want government to tell you what you can charge for your time? Of course not. Afford the same respect to others.

[MichMike]

I am for eliminating anything where government tells someone what they can charge for their time, services, property, and products. Would you ever want government to tell you what you can charge for your time? Of course not. Afford the same respect to others.

This is unbelievable. I offer specifics based on real world problems and you continue to spew out your Libertarian ramblings.

First, the government is YOU...we live in a democracy. The government is not some big ugly monster as your leaders have suggested (as they brainwashed you).

Second, of course I support certain limitations in the name of society (via taxes, regulation, etc). Others limitations I do not ... and I use my vote and freedom of speech rights to push back on these. I pay my taxes and keep active politically to control where they go...I expect you to respect that (and the law) and do the same.

It's a fine balance my 2 percent friend.

[Cookie]

She was uninsured because she didn't want to spend the money. Other priorities took precedence; then perhaps there wasn't enough left over for insurance. It's like that for alot of people.
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[kres24GT]

This is unbelievable. I offer specifics based on real world problems and you continue to spew out your Libertarian ramblings.

First, the government is YOU...we live in a democracy. The government is not some big ugly monster as your leaders have suggested (as they brainwashed you).

Second, of course I support certain limitations in the name of society (via taxes, regulation, etc). Others limitations I do not ... and I use my vote and freedom of speech rights to push back on these. I pay my taxes and keep active politically to control where they go...I expect you to respect that (and the law) and do the same.

It's a fine balance my 2 percent friend.


The government in big business, not you, not me. When you get in the booth you will be voting for Democrat or a Republican, both sold out to Big Business. So don't give me that BS. I do far more than you to make this a democracy by voting for 3rd party candidates who can actually fracture the failed two party system.

I don't want government dictating my life, sorry this ruins you.

[kres24GT]

She was uninsured because she didn't want to spend the money. Other priorities took precedence; then perhaps there wasn't enough left over for insurance. It's like that for alot of people.


Bing, guy in office next to me passes on our insurance because he'd rather have 40 bucks a month. We have great insurance too, very cheap, he says he'd rather have the cash because he is 25 and invincible. His choice.

[MichMike]

She was uninsured because she didn't want to spend the money. Other priorities took precedence; then perhaps there wasn't enough left over for insurance. It's like that for alot of people.

I think it's safe to say she was uninsured and money was a significant reason (that is how we ration in the U.S...money).

Outside of that, things become much more speculative.

This is the case for many American's...which is why getting everybody insurance (we do it with cars already) makes sense in the interest of society - and these young/strong people as well. They have not gone through enough life experiences to understand they are NOT indestructable. This girl not only endangered herself, but also others by not going in for a check-up (which will be covered under most plans). Hence, "it's her choice" is not a solution.

[MichMike]

The government in big business, not you, not me. When you get in the booth you will be voting for Democrat or a Republican, both sold out to Big Business. So don't give me that BS. I do far more than you to make this a democracy by voting for 3rd party candidates who can actually fracture the failed two party system.

I don't want government dictating my life, sorry this ruins you.


ruins me? Dude, you are 2 percent at this point...:lmao2:

:lmao2:

The government is nothing more than a select group of people that serve us...we elect them and we can fire them. Business starts the same way...people start corporations. When either of the two get too big or are not safeguarded by checks and balances we have issues. Eliminating one of them, will not - has not - work(ed).

[Cookie]

Bing, guy in office next to me passes on our insurance because he'd rather have 40 bucks a month. We have great insurance too, very cheap, he says he'd rather have the cash because he is 25 and invincible. His choice.


Uh oh. I hope he doesn't have an appendicitis attack! Ask him how his appendix feels every morning for a few weeks. Maybe he'll catch the drift. lol.
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[Cookie]

I think it's safe to say she was uninsured and money was a significant reason (that is how we ration in the U.S...money).

Outside of that, things become much more speculative.

This is the case for many American's...which is why getting everybody insurance (we do it with cars already) makes sense in the interest of society - and these young/strong people as well. They have not gone through enough life experiences to understand they are NOT indestructable. This girl not only endangered herself, but also others by not going in for a check-up (which will be covered under most plans). Hence, "it's her choice" is not a solution.

But despite it being against the law not to have auto insurance, many people are uninsured. We even pay extra on our premiums for uninsured motorists. In college, I knew of a young couple who would buy auto insurance (liability only, their car was a piece of junk), and after they got their tags and registration, they'd cancel the policy for a refund.

There is always a way to beat the system...
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[kres24GT]

Listen to MichMike, choice, freedom, these words frighten him

[MichMike]

Listen to MichMike, choice, freedom, these words frighten him


2% of the people make the choice you accept. Don't worry you have the freedom to do something about it....here on the greatest country on earth.

Unfortunately, I don't think you have the work ethic...words that likely frighten you.

[Bill Cosby]

This is unbelievable. I offer specifics based on real world problems and you continue to spew out your Libertarian ramblings.

First, the government is YOU...we live in a democracy. The government is not some big ugly monster as your leaders have suggested (as they brainwashed you).

Second, of course I support certain limitations in the name of society (via taxes, regulation, etc). Others limitations I do not ... and I use my vote and freedom of speech rights to push back on these. I pay my taxes and keep active politically to control where they go...I expect you to respect that (and the law) and do the same.

It's a fine balance my 2 percent friend.

He will keep saying the same thing over & over............

The police, soldiers, para medics & firemen & women are told what they will get. But that is ok..

City, county, state & federal works are told their rates & if they don't like it they can leave...

I could come up w/ many more but why............ It is only doctors that are exempt I guess cause some entertainer said so........

Eventhough all those doctors working for the city, country, state & fed, prisons & military are doing exactly what he is saying is wrong...

Most (not all) of the other doctors in the industrialized (& then some) world are some how managing to make a living- alonger one than we are... :lmao2: :lmao2:

[kres24GT]

He will keep saying the same thing over & over............

The police, soldiers, para medics & firemen & women are told what they will get. But that is ok..

City, county, state & federal works are told their rates & if they don't like it they can leave...

I could come up w/ many more but why............ It is only doctors that are exempt I guess cause some entertainer said so........

Eventhough all those doctors working for the city, country, state & fed, prisons & military are doing exactly what he is saying is wrong...

Most (not all) of the other doctors in the industrialized (& then some) world are some how managing to make a living- alonger one than we are... :lmao2: :lmao2:


All non government employees should be exempt from government settign their earnings. Simple as that. You want to use government employee doctors to provide services, go ahead.

Classic wealth envy by Bill though, anyone making more than he is is making more than enough.

[Bill Cosby]

All non government employees should be exempt from government settign their earnings. Simple as that. You want to use government employee doctors to provide services, go ahead.

Classic wealth envy by Bill though, anyone making more than he is is making more than enough.

So now you wanna qualify it. as non gov......... State local, fed???

Kaiser & other HMO's set rates & you take your pick & make your choice if you want to work there.... There are also many private health services, para med, nurse & dr that do exactly that..........

I guess it is ok for all of them to do it but not the gov........

:lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:

[kres24GT]

So now you wanna qualify it. as non gov......... State local, fed???

Kaiser & other HMO's set rates & you take your pick & make your choice if you want to work there.... There are also many private health services, para med, nurse & dr that do exactly that..........

I guess it is ok for all of them to do it but not the gov........

:lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:


Sorry you don't get the difference between government and non government, it is a simple distinction. The government has police power to force people to do things, people and companies do not. No person or company can force anyone to do anything, government ca. As I said, simple distinction, not even worth a debate.

My girlfriend regulates the amount of sex I get, using your logic it would then be OK for government to use police power to do the same because she does it.

[xav8terx]

Sorry you don't get the difference between government and non government, it is a simple distinction. The government has police power to force people to do things, people and companies do not. No person or company can force anyone to do anything, government ca. As I said, simple distinction, not even worth a debate.

My girlfriend regulates the amount of sex I get, using your logic it would then be OK for government to use police power to do the same because she does it.


Well actually right now they sort of do in some places (more of a states rights thing but government none the less).

[Bill Cosby]

Sorry you don't get the difference between government and non government, it is a simple distinction. The government has police power to force people to do things, people and companies do not. No person or company can force anyone to do anything, government ca. As I said, simple distinction, not even worth a debate.

My girlfriend regulates the amount of sex I get, using your logic it would then be OK for government to use police power to do the same because she does it.

I know the difference- I unlike you, think it makes little difference. You prefer one master over another. SO do I. I think, as I have told you several times already, that I think the gov is the lesser of the two evils...... I have proof to back up my opinion-look in any of the other industrialed nation..

I guess we will have to look under the bed to find you proof...........:thumbsup:

[kres24GT]

I know the difference- I unlike you, think it makes little difference. You prefer one master over another. SO do I. I think, as I have told you several times already, that I think the gov is the lesser of the two evils...... I have proof to back up my opinion-look in any of the other industrialed nation..

I guess we will have to look under the bed to find you proof...........:thumbsup:


I already destroyed your logic Bill, it was a poor attempt by you anyway.

[Bill Cosby]

I already destroyed your logic Bill, it was a poor attempt by you anyway.

lol............ Yea you are just to smart for me...;)

Not sure why we even bother to talk to you............

Since you say the same thing over & over.. No mater what the question the answer is always the same "big guvment"...

Have a fun weekned & remember you are under no obligations to follow the rules of the road as that is just big brotha trying to push you lil ppl around... & we all had enough of that big guvment... :thumbsup:

[ROdger Right]

lol............ Yea you are just to smart for me...;)

Not sure why we even bother to talk to you............

Since you say the same thing over & over.. No mater what the question the answer is always the same "big guvment"...

Have a fun weekned & remember you are under no obligations to follow the rules of the road as that is just big brotha trying to push you lil ppl around... & we all had enough of that big guvment... :thumbsup:

Maybe if you came up with a different solution he would find a different answer:dunno:

Yea because revenue streams are always more important to enforce that actuall crime.

[disrupter]

She had no Medicare-for-all option.

Her nation betrayed her & now she is dead.

This is what the American government does to its own,

while it squanders hundreds of billions in war profiteering, murdering more than a million innocent foreigners,

while it says "we can't afford national healthcare".

It is up to you Americans, raise holy hell & be ready for armed revolution, because that is unlikely to succeed by itself.

[Mason66]

She had no Medicare-for-all option.

Her nation betrayed her & now she is dead.

This is what the American government does to its own,

while it squanders hundreds of billions in war profiteering, murdering more than a million innocent foreigners,

while it says "we can't afford national healthcare".

It is up to you Americans, raise holy hell & be ready for armed revolution, because that is unlikely to succeed by itself.

Obviously you can't believe this.

She had 2 jobs and chose to not go to the doctor.

What is the nation supposed to do with somebody like this?

Bust down her door, obviously they knew she was sick, and force her to go to the doctor?

What do you suggest.

Medicare for all.

Who is going to pay for that?

Now according to you, everybody should be covered by the government, even if they can afford it themselves, so the government can take care of all 300 million people in the couontry.

I hope you have a great paying job to pay for this.

[Bill Cosby]

Maybe if you came up with a different solution he would find a different answer:dunno:

Yea because revenue streams are always more important to enforce that actuall crime.

We??? Who is we??? I was not talking to you nor do I think anyone else was either.... Nothing new there, you need to establish some clairity to qualify for back ground noise most of the time......... :taunt:

He says the same things a lot....... But he can lay out an argument & defend his POV........ He can articulate it & explore it.... I/we prob agree on far more than we disagree on.........


None of that has anything to do w/ you.........

Why not make some post about long boarding or cute girls in school & how to talk to them...

Acne 101 & puberty>>>>???

Now them are topics you know something about. have fun... :thumbsup:

[ME2]

So many of the youth today are brought up with a materialistic mindset which often drives their thought making process when it comes to making serious decisions.

This young lady, being a College Graduate hopefully had the intelligence capable of weighing the circumstances surrounding her "sickness" and for whatever reason chose to not seek medical attention until the symptoms had persisted or gotten worse.

Unfortunately this doesn't say too much about the people around her either, for not saying
"Dumb ass you might have H1N1, better get checked!"

All goes back to one of my earlier posts!
Personal Responsibility!!

[Captain Obvious]

So many of the youth today are brought up with a materialistic mindset which often drives their thought making process when it comes to making serious decisions.

This young lady, being a College Graduate hopefully had the intelligence capable of weighing the circumstances surrounding her "sickness" and for whatever reason chose to not seek medical attention until the symptoms had persisted or gotten worse.

Unfortunately this doesn't say too much about the people around her either, for not saying
"Dumb ass you might have H1N1, better get checked!"

All goes back to one of my earlier posts!
Personal Responsibility!!

Personal responsibility?

But... but.... isn't it the governments job to make these decisions for us?

[Bill Cosby]

So many of the youth today are brought up with a materialistic mindset which often drives their thought making process when it comes to making serious decisions.

Personal Responsibility!!

I hear this being brought up a lot lately.... About how this generation is so much more materialistic......

So prove it.... I have not seen one thing proving this.......

I imagine that every generation has said this about the ones that came after them...

[ROdger Right]

We??? Who is we??? I was not talking to you nor do I think anyone else was either.... Nothing new there, you need to establish some clairity to qualify for back ground noise most of the time......... :taunt:

He says the same things a lot....... But he can lay out an argument & defend his POV........ He can articulate it & explore it.... I/we prob agree on far more than we disagree on.........


None of that has anything to do w/ you.........

Why not make some post about long boarding or cute girls in school & how to talk to them...

Acne 101 & puberty>>>>???

Now them are topics you know something about. have fun... :thumbsup:

Theres ways of doing things and then there is this.
When I go visit my people in nor cali i hope my foot meets your face

[Bill Cosby]

Theres ways of doing things and then there is this.
When I go visit my people in nor cali i hope my foot meets your face

Are you threatening me rog????

You know you not suppose to do that....:thumbsup:

I assure you rog that if we meet the only thing your little feet would be hitting would be the pavement quickly down the street..... :lmao2: :lmao2:

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[kres24GT]

So we are supposed to force people to go to the doctor for preventative care? It is amazing how far the fascists want go.

[ROdger Right]

Are you threatening me rog????



Just wishful thinking there bc:D

[Bill Cosby]

Just wishful thinking there bc:D

Sorry rog but if I was doing the wishing you would be acting your age instead of yea shoe size....

YOu got some skills/potential that show through now & then........ Most of the time though, no body can understand more/less your kooky shit replies...

I have/am trying to help you catch a break.........

What you make of it is up to you...:thumbsup:

:D

:hi:

[disrupter]

With a government run option

YOU ACTUALLY GET A CHOICE TO MAKE!

[ROdger Right]

With a government run option

YOU ACTUALLY GET A CHOICE TO MAKE!

Alright your forced to pay into it. No choice.
When there will be 200 million people on it, there will be no choice for your doctor.
A group of men will decide what treatment is best for you, your choice will only be to apporve or deny such treatment.

[Bill Cosby]

Alright your forced to pay into it. No choice.
When there will be 200 million people on it, there will be no choice for your doctor.
A group of men will decide what treatment is best for you, your choice will only be to apporve or deny such treatment.

What you fail to realize or admit is that right now your parents & their employers are doing exactly what you are crying about.....

Your argument is bogus............:disbelief: :taunt:

[ROdger Right]

What you fail to realize or admit is that right now your parents & their employers are doing exactly what you are crying about.....

Your argument is bogus............:disbelief: :taunt:

No Cosby please dont pretend that you know anything about my situation for healthcare.This poor man already gets government payed healtcare for free. So suck on it:mad: :taunt:

Im just holding out for a better bill than the ones we are currently seeing. If i saw a decent enough bill I would support it. As it is though no such thing exsists.

[Bill Cosby]

No Cosby please dont pretend that you know anything about my situation for healthcare.This poor man already gets government payed healtcare for free. So suck on it:mad: :taunt:

Im just holding out for a better bill than the ones we are currently seeing. If i saw a decent enough bill I would support it. As it is though no such thing exsists.

Look I am tied of playing games w/ you........ You told me you were still in school & all that............

Now you are telling me you are a man getting government payed healtcare for free

You tell me the deal-the truth & lets stop w/ the games.....

Everything I have read from you has seemed to be against public care & you were the big right wing boy.... Now this...

I will wait......

lets get this now... :thumbsup:

[ROdger Right]

Look I am tied of playing games w/ you........ You told me you were still in school & all that............

Now you are telling me you are a man getting government payed healtcare for free

You tell me the deal-the truth & lets stop w/ the games.....

Everything I have read from you has seemed to be against public care & you were the big right wing boy.... Now this...

I will wait......

lets get this now... :thumbsup:

Im gonna get this over with quick caus eim gonna go get high.
When I joined I was a senior in highschool. Ive stated numerous times Ive been out for a while you just dont liek to hear that. I have no idea why that is:confused:

Legalized racism im against it but being in the state im in its one of the benefits. No I am not some native muttuk mother fucker either.

Im more agaisnt it than ill ever be for it but I could live with a good bill being drafted and passed. This is what I believe is just not possible with this current congress and the forseeable future ones if nothing dramitically changes.
Gotta dipset:hi:

[Bill Cosby]

Not that I did not want to hear it I guess I just didn't read it..... SOrry Rog but I don't read all of them....

SO you are on the dole......... Harmping on the gov w/ the whole time your hand out taking in my liberal tax dollars........... LMAO!!!

Well I won't go on about it & I want a lot more to.......... But for the sake of those that have nothing I will except whatever they can get & keep pushing for more..........

[disrupter]

Option means you get a choice Rodger.

Your command of the English language is clearly lacking.

[ROdger Right]

Option means you get a choice Rodger.

Your command of the English language is clearly lacking.

94% covered means there are no choices.

[disrupter]

The congress requires Emergency Rooms to give care to anyone.

The 'choice' of not getting cared for is already gone.

Now the remaining choice is either murdering, fraudulent insurance mobsters or a Medicare type option.

Without a public option, there is no choice.

[Bill Cosby]

Option means you get a choice Rodger.

Your command of the English language is clearly lacking.

What is yoru choice???

You take what ever the guvment gives you........ & you likely bitch about it to...:hi: