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Life_Long_Dem!
09-26-2009, 10:20 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact:
Peter Dreier, E.P Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics and Urban & Environmental Policy Program director, Occidental College, (323) 259-2913, dreier@oxy.edu
Christopher Martin, professor of journalism, UNI Department of Communication Studies,
(319) 273-7155, martinc@uni.edu
Note: Read “Manipulating the Public Agenda: Why ACORN Was in the News, and What the News Got Wrong” online at www.uepi.oxy.edu/acornstudy
Accurate reporting sidelined as mainstream media repeats allegations of Republican Party operatives and politicians
Recently released study finds widespread inaccuracy in the reporting of an alleged “voter fraud” scandal involving ACORN
CEDAR FALLS, Iowa — An independent study by two prominent academics, released this week, found repetition of unverified allegations and distortions was the rule in national reporting of a purported “voter fraud” scandal involving the community organizing group ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) during the 2008 presidential campaign.
This self-funded study, “Manipulating the Public Agenda: Why ACORN Was in the News, and What the News Got Wrong” by Christopher Martin of the University of Northern Iowa and Peter Dreier of Occidental College, reveals a classic case of the agenda-setting effect in which both conservative and mainstream media outlets propelled the Republican agenda with a barrage of unfounded allegations of alleged “voter fraud.”
The study found that both conservative and mainstream media reported allegations by Republican Party operatives and politicians without seeking to verify these claims or to provide ACORN with equal opportunities to challenge the accusations of voter fraud.
The analysis of the narrative framing the ACORN stories demonstrates that — despite long-standing charges from conservatives that the news media are determinedly liberal and ignore conservative ideas — the news media agenda is easily permeated by persistent conservative media campaigns, even when there is little or no truth to the story.
The authors conducted a content analysis of all 647 stories about ACORN that appeared in 15 major news media organizations from 2007-2008. The news media analyzed included USA Today, The New York Times, Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News Channel, CNN, MSNBC, National Public Radio (NPR), and NewsHour with Jim Lehrer (PBS). They also examined all stories about ACORN from three local newspapers representing cities in which ACORN has a long-time presence: the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
Using the controversy over ACORN as a case study, the report illustrates the way the media help set the agenda for public debate, and frame the way that debate is shaped. It describes how what the authors call opinion entrepreneurs (primarily business and conservative groups and individuals) set the story in motion as early as 2006, how the “conservative echo chamber” orchestrated its anti-ACORN campaign in 2008, how the McCain-Palin campaign picked it up, and how the mainstream media reported these allegations without investigating their truth or falsity. As a result, the relatively little-known community organization became the subject of a major news story in the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, to the point where 82 percent of the respondents in an October 2008 national survey reported they had heard about ACORN.
In October 2008, at the peak of the campaign season, negative attacks dominated the news about ACORN with these key findings:
76 percent of the stories focused on allegations of voter fraud.
8.7 percent involved accusations that public funds were being funneled to ACORN.
7.9 percent of the stories involved charges that ACORN is a front for registering Democrats.
3.1 percent involved blaming ACORN for the mortgage scandal.
The report also found that the media, including the mainstream news media, failed to fact-check persistent allegations of voter fraud involving ACORN despite the existence of easily available countervailing evidence. The media failed to distinguish allegations of voter registration problems from allegations of actual voting irregularities. They also failed to distinguish between allegations of wrongdoing and actual wrongdoing. For example:
82.8 percent of the stories alleging voter fraud failed to mention that actual voter fraud is very rare.
80.3 percent of the stories alleging involvement in voter fraud failed to mention that ACORN was reporting registration irregularities to authorities, as required by law.
85.1 percent of the stories alleging involvement in voter fraud failed to note that ACORN was acting to stop incidents of registration problems by its (mostly temporary) employees when it became aware of these problems.
95.8 percent of the stories alleging involvement in voter fraud failed to provide deeper context, especially efforts by Republican Party officials to use allegations of voter fraud to dampen voting by low-income and minority Americans.
61.4 percent of the stories alleging involvement in voter fraud failed to acknowledge that Republicans were trying to discredit Obama with an ACORN scandal.
The authors reveal that the attacks on ACORN by Republicans and conservatives — and the same pattern of reportage that repeats allegations without any attempt to independently verify the facts — have persisted throughout 2009. For example, despite recently discovered e-mails revealing Karl Rove’s role in the firing of U.S. Attorney David Iglesias for failing to prosecute ACORN on charges of voter fraud despite the lack of evidence, not a single major daily newspaper mentioned ACORN as the Republicans’ target.
Download the full report at www.uepi.oxy.edu/acornstudy
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MintJulep
09-26-2009, 10:46 PM
LLD, this is like the 10th thread you've made pimpin' ACORN. Do you have some kind of ties with them, or what? :D
I don't know why else you'd be shilling for this criminal operation.......
dsolo802
09-26-2009, 10:51 PM
LLD, this is like the 10th thread you've made pimpin' ACORN. Do you have some kind of ties with them, or what? :D LLD just knows you don't immediately defund a corporation just because a few employees screw up. Otherwise, the Catholic Church should have lost its tax exempt status many times over - and oh yeah, Blackwater and Halliburton should have been defunded - and prosecuted - a loooong time ago.
Life_Long_Dem!
09-26-2009, 10:59 PM
LLD, this is like the 10th thread you've made pimpin' ACORN. Do you have some kind of ties with them, or what? :D
I don't know why else you'd be shilling for this criminal operation.......
Just tired of seeing so many posts slamming them for a few bad apples so I decided to post some opposing views
Life_Long_Dem!
09-26-2009, 11:05 PM
besides...what NO one else seems to want to talk about is or show is how many acorn offices the fake pimps were thrown out of before the one that gave them advice, want to talk about that?
MintJulep
09-26-2009, 11:11 PM
LLD just knows you don't immediately defund a corporation just because a few employees screw up.Correct. I would agree if it were in one location or even one state, for that matter. Involvement in five states indicates a systemic problem, IMO.
Otherwise, the Catholic Church should have lost its tax exempt status many times over - and oh yeah, Blackwater and Halliburton should have been defunded - and prosecuted - a loooong time ago I don't recall allegations against the Catholic church for fraudulent use of govt funds or involvement in the child sex slave industry.
Halliburton and Blackwater are currently being investigated, I believe. If the investigation confirms any criminal allegations are true, they should be held to the fire and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as well.
MintJulep
09-26-2009, 11:12 PM
Just tired of seeing so many posts slamming them for a few bad apples so I decided to post some opposing viewsMission accomplished. You've hit the double-digits for ACORN threads now. :D
Life_Long_Dem!
09-26-2009, 11:23 PM
Mission accomplished. You've hit the double-digits for ACORN threads now. :D
sorry Minty but I only count 4 posts dealing directly with acorn
MarkMiller
09-26-2009, 11:28 PM
I don't recall allegations against the Catholic church for fraudulent use of govt funds or involvement in the child sex slave industry.
Uhm.......seriously?
MintJulep
09-26-2009, 11:30 PM
sorry Minty but I only count 4 posts dealing directly with acorn Sorry if I overstated. It seemed like many more than that.
dsolo802
09-26-2009, 11:31 PM
Correct. I would agree if it were in one location or even one state, for that matter. Involvement in five states indicates a systemic problem, IMO. I'd grant you that it indicates a very low bar when it comes to national hiring practices.
Given the lack of connection between what ACORN is chartered and gets paid to do and what its workers were caught on tape counseling, it is still quite a stretch to conclude ACORN as an organization is culpable. Read on and you'll see what I mean.
I don't recall allegations against the Catholic church for fraudulent use of govt funds or involvement in the child sex slave industry. Child molestation within the Catholic priesthood is rampant and directives to move Pedophile priests from one parish to another were official acts of the Church - and yet the church retains its 501(c)(3) status.
Halliburton and Blackwater are currently being investigated, I believe. If the investigation confirms any criminal allegations are true, they should be held to the fire and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as well.We agree.
MintJulep
09-26-2009, 11:31 PM
Uhm.......seriously? The Catholic church has not been implicated in human trafficking of underage, child sex slaves.
MarkMiller
09-26-2009, 11:40 PM
The Catholic church has not been implicated in human trafficking of underage, child sex slaves.
Ok...but, that's not what was the original comment. You said allegations of involvement in the child sex trade industry and fraudulent use of government funds.:) But even then.....no I wont say for sure that you can say trafficking, so I'll agree with that part.
Life_Long_Dem!
09-26-2009, 11:47 PM
Like I mentioned before it has been talked about that the fake pimps were thrown out of many acorn offices before getting the two that gave them advice so its not the group as a whole but a few bad apples in the bunch
MarkMiller
09-26-2009, 11:56 PM
Alright Minty.....was this a test?!!:disbelief:
I just found these stories and thought....no way.
http://blog.aclu.org/tag/leavitt/
Accusations that the Catholic Church is misusing government funds IN REGARDS TO THE CHILD SEX SLAVE INDUSTRY.....from.........the ACLU.
We're you setting me up for this?:thumbsup:
It's not INVOLVEMENT though....but that's another story!
MintJulep
09-27-2009, 12:13 AM
I'd grant you that it indicates a very low bar when it comes to national hiring practices.
Given the lack of connection between what ACORN is chartered and gets paid to do and what its workers were caught on tape counseling, it is still quite a stretch to conclude ACORN as an organization is culpable. Read on and you'll see what I mean.But, five states?
Child molestation within the Catholic priesthood is rampant and directives to move Pedophile priests from one parish to another were official acts of the Church - and yet the church retains its 501(c)(3) status.While the church has tax exempt status, it isn't taking in millions in government funding, is it? ACORN already acquired 53 million and was eligible to collect 8 billion more in government funds.
If it can be proven the church is acting as a whole in condoning child molestation, their status needs to be removed, as well. However, I don't think the questionable status of the Catholic church is justification to continue funneling cold cash to ACORN before an investigation is completed.
dsolo802
09-27-2009, 01:07 AM
But, five states? Hiring practices are set at corporate and would cross state lines. Yep, five states. And as LLD said, it was not everybody in those offices.
While the church has tax exempt status,Same questions and same principle: We are we giving special tax status to an organization that officially supports pedofiles - why?
it isn't taking in millions in government funding, is it? Why should the government give tax breaks to organizations that intentionally protects pedofiles and defund organizations that does not officially sponsor any illegal activity?
ACORN already acquired 53 million and was eligible to collect 8 billion more in government funds. Sure for activities wholly unrelated to the criminal acts of the individuals. Getting people registered to vote is a good thing that helps America.
If it can be proven the church is acting as a whole in condoning child molestation, their status needs to be removed, as well. Well, I would agree with your standard: The question is has it been proved that the organization is culpable for the acts of its subordinates. If you apply that standard to ACORN, the answer is no.
However, I don't think the questionable status of the Catholic church is justification to continue funneling cold cash to ACORN before an investigation is completed.In America, you just don't presume guilt.
bairdi
09-27-2009, 09:02 AM
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Smurf-Herder
09-27-2009, 12:04 PM
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MSNBC owned by GE, who stands to make billions from cap & trade, is nothing but a mouthpiece for anything the administration wants to get out.
How about listening to the actual ACORN board members who have filed an 88 page Criminal Complaint with the DOJ against their own organization, for charges including racketeering.
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Smurf-Herder
09-27-2009, 12:14 PM
On the voter registration angle, here's something from CNN:
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bairdi
09-27-2009, 12:59 PM
MSNBC owned by GE, who stands to make billions from cap & trade, is nothing but a mouthpiece for anything the administration wants to get out.
How about listening to the actual ACORN board members who have filed an 88 page Criminal Complaint with the DOJ against their own organization, for charges including racketeering.
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You obviously did not watch the video. Any comments on the other organizations mentioned? Where is the outrage on their activities?
Smurf-Herder
09-27-2009, 01:08 PM
You obviously did not watch the video. Any comments on the other organizations mentioned? Where is the outrage on their activities?
I saw the show when it first aired.
What other organizations and their activities?
bairdi
09-27-2009, 04:58 PM
I saw the show when it first aired.
What other organizations and their activities?
The ones she talked about in the video, ArmorGroup, DynCorp, Blackwater and KBA.
Transcript:
If the hidden camera stunt induced prostitution angle is what it takes to get a government contract defunded, then I guess we`re going to have to talk about prostitution broadly and the government contractor known as ArmorGroup, part of Wackenhut, in Afghanistan. Their employees, you`ll recall, were made famous earlier this month after the release of these pictures that show the contractors barely clothed and shooting vodka out of places you wouldn`t expect.
The same ArmorGroup personnel who, again, were being paid by you and me were also allegedly engaged in a prostitution ring in Kabul. That`s according to an ArmorGroup whistleblower. The State Department is investigating ArmorGroup now.
But if we`re going to talk contractors and prostitution, we`re also going to have to talk about DynCorp, which is always been one of those horror movie U.S. contractor cases. In the year 2000, at least 13 DynCorp employees were sent home from a U.S. government contract in Bosnia after they were found to be taking part in a Bosnian sex slave ring involving underage girls, not a fake prostitution ring that never actually existed like the one in the activist hidden camera costumes stunt, but an actual forced child prostitution ring, an actual U.S. government contractors from DynCorp.
In the absence of any defund DynCorp uprising, DynCorp still gets a lot of government money. In fact, today, DynCorp landed a brand new $230 million contract with the U.S. Air Force. That`s on top of the $915 million contract they got from the State Department in June.
ArmorGroup, the prostitution/vodka-shooting contract in Afghanistan at the Kabul embassy, they still got that nearly $200 million contract in Afghanistan with the State Department. But that is currently under review.
Blackwater still has multimillion dollar contracts with the State Department, the Defense Department, as well as the CIA, even as five of their employees face murder charges.
KBR was just awarded a new $19 million army contract in February, despite being investigated in the deaths of those 16 U.S. troops.
Not only have these contractors not been defunded by outraged members of Congress, they all continue to get spectacularly lucrative government contracts even after all of these things have been exposed. I`m not reporting any of these things for the first time. They`re all known.
So, sure, if you want to defund ACORN, go for it. ACORN has definitely done some indefensible stuff over the years. They are an imperfect organization, to be sure. But if this isn`t just a witch-hunt against ACORN, if Congress is actually just going after government contractors who commit fraud and worse, then we can all look forward to the explanation from the fake outrage Republicans and the cowering Democrats about why nothing ever inspired them to defund anyone before ACORN. After that, by all mean, cut them all loose.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007220&docId=l:1045906988&start=1
MintJulep
09-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Hiring practices are set at corporate and would cross state lines. Yep, five states. And as LLD said, it was not everybody in those offices. All standards of practice are set at corporate. The low-level employees get their marching orders from corporate. As such, it seems likely condoning criminal activity is a result of a trickle down mentality from top brass. The cover being "helping poor people", an excuse meant to tug on the heartstrings.
Same questions and same principle: We are we giving special tax status to an organization that officially supports pedofiles - why? Because there is no evidence it is systemic.
Why should the government give tax breaks to organizations that intentionally protects pedofiles and defund organizations that does not officially sponsor any illegal activity? We shouldn't. If a formal investigation yields the entire Catholic church, the Arch Diocese, or whomever, supports child molestation, status should be removed.
From the video, it seems likely defrauding the IRS and various criminal actions are part of ACORN's corporate "best practices".
Sure for activities wholly unrelated to the criminal acts of the individuals. Getting people registered to vote is a good thing that helps America. Cheating the IRS and trafficking in minors for sex is not.
Well, I would agree with your standard: The question is has it been proved that the organization is culpable for the acts of its subordinates. If you apply that standard to ACORN, the answer is no.That remains to be seen.
In America, you just don't presume guilt.No one has. Funds have simply been halted pending an investigation, as decided by 345 votes in the House.
P.S. I heard Chris Wallace say another ACORN video will be released this week, this time from the Philadelphia office. Should be interesting.....
Smurf-Herder
09-27-2009, 06:54 PM
The ones she talked about in the video, ArmorGroup, DynCorp, Blackwater and KBA.
Transcript:
If the hidden camera stunt induced prostitution angle is what it takes to get a government contract defunded, then I guess we`re going to have to talk about prostitution broadly and the government contractor known as ArmorGroup, part of Wackenhut, in Afghanistan. Their employees, you`ll recall, were made famous earlier this month after the release of these pictures that show the contractors barely clothed and shooting vodka out of places you wouldn`t expect.
The same ArmorGroup personnel who, again, were being paid by you and me were also allegedly engaged in a prostitution ring in Kabul. That`s according to an ArmorGroup whistleblower. The State Department is investigating ArmorGroup now.
But if we`re going to talk contractors and prostitution, we`re also going to have to talk about DynCorp, which is always been one of those horror movie U.S. contractor cases. In the year 2000, at least 13 DynCorp employees were sent home from a U.S. government contract in Bosnia after they were found to be taking part in a Bosnian sex slave ring involving underage girls, not a fake prostitution ring that never actually existed like the one in the activist hidden camera costumes stunt, but an actual forced child prostitution ring, an actual U.S. government contractors from DynCorp.
In the absence of any defund DynCorp uprising, DynCorp still gets a lot of government money. In fact, today, DynCorp landed a brand new $230 million contract with the U.S. Air Force. That`s on top of the $915 million contract they got from the State Department in June.
ArmorGroup, the prostitution/vodka-shooting contract in Afghanistan at the Kabul embassy, they still got that nearly $200 million contract in Afghanistan with the State Department. But that is currently under review.
Blackwater still has multimillion dollar contracts with the State Department, the Defense Department, as well as the CIA, even as five of their employees face murder charges.
KBR was just awarded a new $19 million army contract in February, despite being investigated in the deaths of those 16 U.S. troops.
Not only have these contractors not been defunded by outraged members of Congress, they all continue to get spectacularly lucrative government contracts even after all of these things have been exposed. I`m not reporting any of these things for the first time. They`re all known.
So, sure, if you want to defund ACORN, go for it. ACORN has definitely done some indefensible stuff over the years. They are an imperfect organization, to be sure. But if this isn`t just a witch-hunt against ACORN, if Congress is actually just going after government contractors who commit fraud and worse, then we can all look forward to the explanation from the fake outrage Republicans and the cowering Democrats about why nothing ever inspired them to defund anyone before ACORN. After that, by all mean, cut them all loose.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007220&docId=l:1045906988&start=1
I'd say the same about those groups, only to the extent that they're using the money in manipulating the political process, money laundering and getting tax exempt status in the process. We're talking about grant money, as opposed to standard government contracts. Those have to be looked at differently, because they're not "funded", they're "contracted".
dsolo802
09-27-2009, 09:55 PM
All standards of practice are set at corporate. You are attributing to corporate powers of oversight they may or may not have. You can't say with anything like certainty that the Acorn employees who screwed up were hired to screw up. Moreover, what interest of Acorn would it further to systematically provide guidance about how to evade taxation and run a brothel?? Seriously, how does that help Acorn?
The simplest explanation usually turning out to be the best, the likelihood is Acorn as an organization has hired poorly and has not properly trained its people.
The low-level employees get their marching orders from corporate.It can happen that way. Or it can be they are given general job responsibilities and they do things on their own. Corporate America generally has a problem with employees surfing for porn on the Internet. That does not mean that Apple or HP or Cisco management are directing their people to surf for porn.
Because there is no evidence it is systemic. You are quite wrong about that Minty. If you were to read, A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States". National Review Board. February 27, 2004. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay/index.html, for example you'll get an idea just how terribly systemic, widespread and damaging it has been.
Consider these facts:
In the USA alone, 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests
Over the 52 year period of the study 95% of the Dioceses were implicated
60% of every religious community was impacted
81% of the victims boys
16% were between the ages of 8 and 10
Payoffs to buy silence, shuttling of pedophile priests from parish to parish, and other general non-responsiveness to this national tragedy and disgrace has led to world-wide condemnation of the Catholic Church for its failure to handle its problem. And this is just problem in America (http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Catholic_Church_Abuse_Scandal/)!
The dimensions of this problem are world-wide in scope.
We shouldn't. If a formal investigation yields the entire Catholic church, the Arch Diocese, or whomever, supports child molestation, status should be removed. We agree - but you and I both know that will never happen.
From the video, it seems likely defrauding the IRS and various criminal actions are part of ACORN's corporate "best practices". Again, the basis for alleging that these practices are in fact driven by Corporate -- practices which don't advance Acorn's bottom line in the slightest -- is - what?
That remains to be seen.Yep.
No one has. Funds have simply been halted pending an investigation, as decided by 345 votes in the House.Halting funds before you know what happened is presuming guilt.
Blackwater is being investigated for crimes much more serious than those of which Acorn stands accused. Why hasn't it's funding been suspended? Where is the Blackwater defunding act?
Where is the Defund Blackwater Act, investigative reporter asks (http://rawstory.com/2009/09/scahill-spineless-congress-stands-activists-criminal-contractors/)
ROdger Right
09-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Well dsolo dems also impeached blago before he had a trial so proving guilty probably isn't one of their main concerns. All about that pr.
dsolo802
09-28-2009, 02:30 AM
Well dsolo dems also impeached blago before he had a trial so proving guilty probably isn't one of their main concerns. All about that pr.Point taken about the Dems.
I'm actually not familiar with Illinois procedure but . . . Impeachment - how formal charges are brought - does usually precede trial, no?
I don't recall allegations against the Catholic church for fraudulent use of govt funds or involvement in the child sex slave industry.
Do you recall ALL the news stories about child sexual abuse?
Do you recall stories about the church covering it up?
Do you recall Dennis Hastert and other Republicans covering up for Mark Foley?
If you didn't hear about these things than you must only pay attention to Conservative Media sources and ignore the news completely.
I'd say the same about those groups, only to the extent that they're using the money in manipulating the political process, money laundering and getting tax exempt status in the process. We're talking about grant money, as opposed to standard government contracts. Those have to be looked at differently, because they're not "funded", they're "contracted".
But you still refused to support the posts that YOU made about ACORN. I think we all know that you're biased and swayed by the media hype that LLD mentions.
ROdger Right
09-28-2009, 09:27 PM
But you still refused to support the posts that YOU made about ACORN. I think we all know that you're biased and swayed by the media hype that LLD mentions.
Yes voter fraud with a new type of fraud.
It must be certain media that wants these actions thought of poorly.
:talktothehand:
Smurf-Herder
09-29-2009, 07:22 PM
But you still refused to support the posts that YOU made about ACORN. I think we all know that you're biased and swayed by the media hype that LLD mentions.
What did I refuse to support about the posts I made on ACORN?
I think you may be referring to the one single post where a Senator misrepresented ACORN admitting to a figure on fraudulant registrations gathered. But I said at the time, my reason for posting that was to show that the videos have led to more calls for a full investigation; and he was one of the examples of people calling for an investigation.
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What did I refuse to support about the posts I made on ACORN?
I think you may be referring to the one single post where a Senator misrepresented ACORN admitting to a figure on fraudulant registrations gathered. But I said at the time, my reason for posting that was to show that the videos have led to more calls for a full investigation; and he was one of the examples of people calling for an investigation.
http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10775&page=3&highlight=400%2C000
My posting of that was to show that this will lead to the long-awaited investigation. I'm not going to go through this point by point, because people already have in multiple threads for the past few months on the board.
They didn't.
And then you started lying like a sack of shit about my comments which you also could not support.
Don't you remember or were you drinking with your buddy the other lying sack of shit?
Smurf-Herder
09-30-2009, 06:25 AM
http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=10775&page=3&highlight=400%2C000
And then you started lying like a sack of shit about my comments which you also could not support.
Don't you remember or were you drinking with your buddy the other lying sack of shit?
Like I said, you took one single statement out a of a single post by an individual I quoted for other reasons.
And cut the "lying sack of shit" shit. I'm being honest about what I did and why.
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