What should we do in Afghanistan

[Moby]

The Afghan war was necessary to combat the terrorist training camps but what now? The war has been going on for almost 8 years, the drug trade has flourished provide the terrorist with vast amounts of money and we pumped $Billion of US Dollars into Pakistan where many terrorists have found safe haven.

Russia could not conquer this region and after 8 years of trying the USA can't bring peace and clear the terrorists.

Is it time for more troops?

Is it time to get out?

Is it time for something else?

[Captain Obvious]

Complex question.

First, this is GW's fuckup on a couple different levels. Afghanistan was neglected because GW wanted to go running off to Iraq in search of fabled WMD's.

Cut and run.

Afghanistan should have been maintained as a primary focus, but considering that the dems are in the Whitehouse and our global rep is trashed (thanks to GW), there is no way to continue this operation effectively.

The O'bama doesn't have capabilities of continuing a war against terror. Not a fucking chance in hell he could get anything done over there.

So close up shop, bring our boys home and let the Taliban overrun the place once again.

[CosmicRocker]

The Afghan war was necessary to combat the terrorist training camps but what now? The war has been going on for almost 8 years, the drug trade has flourished provide the terrorist with vast amounts of money and we pumped $Billion of US Dollars into Pakistan where many terrorists have found safe haven.

Russia could not conquer this region and after 8 years of trying the USA can't bring peace and clear the terrorists.

Is it time for more troops?

Is it time to get out?

Is it time for something else?
Damn if I know. seriously.
More troops might help, the generals think so...but then again they always do.
More troops -or " going heavy" sorta reminds me of Vietnam, more and more draftees, carpet bombing, all futile.

The qustion is: is this a cival war now where the Taliban and the 'democratic gov't' are vying for power?
If so - then getting involved in a cival war is unwinnable
( again the Nam parallel)

Some want a stand off approach - drones, etc. -but that problem is civilian casualties.

The only thing I can think of is to aid Pakistan to keep the Taliban out of Waziristan ( that mountainous region between the countries)

With the history of Afg. being more of a cival war now, i hate to say it but getting out, and supporting Pakistan is prolly the only viable option.

"I can't handle that puzzle" is the best answer i can give you

[SeniorChief]

Is it time for something else?

Why don't you enlist.

1-800-USA-ARMY

[MichMike]

Why don't you enlist.

1-800-USA-ARMY


Will Dick Cheney go?

[SeniorChief]

Will Dick Cheney go?

He was deferred. Like Bill Clinton was.

Except in Cheney's case, he actually had a government job at the time, on Nixon's staff.

Clinton, conversely, spent the Vietnam war hiding out in Oxford in a "student status," dodging the draft entirely, experimenting with non-inhaling marijuana and cocaine non-snorting.

[MichMike]

I think we need a presence that is able to kill surgically and quickly. Obama is not going to leave the country wide open (despite what many on the far left want). I do not think we need to attempt to build another country from scratch (and Iraq is far from done and will likely be less safe in 20 years). Keeping terrorists from organizing in large groups (like they did here pre 2001) needs to be a priority. Outside of that, this has always been a decentralized global challenge.

Putting aside the stupid hyperbole by some on this board (Obama's killing people, blah, blah, blah), I'm glad some intellectual thought is being applied. We simply don't have the resources to build 200 plus democracies via the Military.

[SeniorChief]

I think we need a presence that is able to kill surgically and quickly.

I agree.

1-800-USA-ARMY.

[MichMike]

He was deferred. Like Bill Clinton was.

Except in Cheney's case, he actually had a government job at the time, on Nixon's staff.

Clinton, conversely, spent the Vietnam war hiding out in Oxford in a "student status," dodging the draft entirely, experimenting with non-inhaling marijuana and cocaine non-snorting.

Was he deferred 5 times loser? Did he start a wasteful war causing the death of hundreds of thousands of people?

By the way, Cheney dodged the draft % TIMES.

"I had other things to do."

- Dick Cheney when asked about his service.

[SeniorChief]

Was he deferred 5 times loser?

Doesn't matter if he was deferred 50 times.

It's a deferral - legal and official.

Draft dodging, as in the case of Bill Clinton, is not legal and official.

Thank God he was eventually impeached/disbarred on other charges.

[MichMike]

Old Dick and his 5 freaking deferments. Dick did everything humanly possible -- short of fleeing to Canada -- to avoid military conscription: He applied for and recieved 5 student deferments, a number described as "incredible" by professor David Curry of the University of Missouri in St. Louis. Curry has written extensively about the draft, including a 1985 book, "Sunshine Patriots: Punishment and the Vietnam Offender." The Times quotes Mr. Curry as observing: "That's a lot of times for the draft board to say O.K."
* Three weeks and a day after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed (giving President Johnson unlimited military force in Vietnam), Cheney married Lynn Cheney.

* Within a day or so of the end of deferment for "Married w/o children," Mr. and Mrs. Cheney conceived their first child.

Here's the rest of Cheney's well timed actions:

In February 1962, when Mr. Cheney was classified as 1-A available for service he was doing poorly at Yale. But the military was taking only older men at that point, and like others who were in college at the time, Mr. Cheney seemed to have little concern about being drafted.

In June, he left Yale. After returning home to Casper, a small city in east-central Wyoming, he worked as a lineman for a power company.

At that point, the Vietnam War was still just a glimmer on the horizon. In 1962, only 82,060 men were inducted into the service, the fewest since 1949. Mr. Cheney was eligible for the draft but, as he said during his confirmation hearings in 1989, he was not called up because the Selective Service System was taking only older men.

But by 1963, ferment in Vietnam was rising. Mr. Cheney enrolled in Casper Community College in January 1963 he turned 22 that month and sought his first student deferment on March 20, according to records from the Selective Service System. After transferring to the University of Wyoming at Laramie, he sought his second student deferment on July 23, 1963.

On Aug. 7, 1964, Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which allowed President Lyndon B. Johnson to use unlimited military force in Vietnam. The war escalated rapidly from there.

Just 22 days later, Mr. Cheney married his high school sweetheart, Lynne. He sought his third student deferment on Oct. 14, 1964.

In May 1965, Mr. Cheney graduated from college and his draft status changed to 1-A. But he was married, which offered him some protection.

In July, President Johnson announced that he was doubling the number of men drafted. The number of inductions soared, to 382,010 in 1966 from 230,991 in 1965 and 112,386 in 1964.

Mr. Cheney obtained his fourth deferment when he started graduate school at the University of Wyoming on Nov. 1, 1965.

On Oct. 6, 1965, the Selective Service lifted its ban against drafting married men who had no children. Nine months and two days later, Mr. Cheney's first daughter, Elizabeth, was born. On Jan. 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant, Mr. Cheney applied for 3-A status, the "hardship" exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. It was granted.

In January 1967, Mr. Cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft.

[Citizen]

Stop plagiarizing asshole! Site your sources.

[SeniorChief]

Old Dick and his 5 freaking deferments. Dick did everything humanly possible -- ........ blah blah blah

Already covered this Daily Kos propoganda during the '00 and '04 elections.
Were you in fucking diapers then, therefore don't remember?

[SeniorChief]

Stop plagiarizing asshole! Site your sources.

I'll take care of that for him -

DAILY KOS

[MichMike]

Doesn't matter if he was deferred 50 times.

It's a deferral - legal and official.

Draft dodging, as in the case of Bill Clinton, is not legal and official.

Thank God he was eventually impeached/disbarred on other charges.

Strawman alert big boy!

Your post had nothing to do with Clinton...it implied everybody in favor of a military presence somewhere should join. While most realize this is stupid, a far right hero of people like you didn't take your advise and I pointed that out (along with some free teaching of the degree of his refusal to fight). You were evidently impacted as it took only 5 seconds for you to reply.

[Captain Obvious]

BitchMike vs. Senior Queef

Clash of the intellectual titans.

[MichMike]

Stop plagiarizing asshole! Site your sources.

Bitch...refute something and I'll source it? The main point of these boards is to pass along information. You need to do the work if you think something is wrong...I'm not wasting my time on that for your little tiny mind.

[SeniorChief]

You were evidently impacted as it took only 5 seconds for you to reply.

That's because your posts require little thought.

Why is it when you're asked to serve your country, i.e. dial 1-800-USA-ARMY, you deflect to some 60's-era deferrments?

[MichMike]

I'll take care of that for him -

DAILY KOS

Dispute something

[MichMike]

BitchMike vs. Senior Queef

Clash of the intellectual titans.


Deep thoughts :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[SeniorChief]

The main point of these boards is to pass along information.

Here's something you probably didn't know- you're an idiot.

What are you, like 14?

[MichMike]

That's because your posts require little thought.

Why is it when you're asked to serve your country, i.e. dial 1-800-USA-ARMY, you deflect to some 60's-era deferrments?


That's because your a following, knee jerk moron.

Your hidden agenda is about a intellectually sound as Dick's arteries.

[Citizen]

Bitch...refute something and I'll source it? The main point of these boards is to pass along information. You need to do the work if you think something is wrong...I'm not wasting my time on that for your little tiny mind.

What the fuck does that have to do with not citing your source?

Oh I get it. You want to pass it off as your own knowledge. You phony idiot.

[MichMike]

Here's something you probably didn't know- you're an idiot.

What are you, like 14?


What the?

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


My student, do the reading and report back to your owner.

[MichMike]

What the fuck does that have to do with not citing your source?

Oh I get it. You want to pass it off as your own knowledge. You phony idiot.


Dispute the information and we can go. Hint: at the end Cheney will still have 5 freaking deferments.

[SeniorChief]

...at the end Cheney will still have 5 freaking deferments.

And in the end, you will still have not served your country.

Case closed.

NEXT !!!

[Bill Cosby]

We should leave A S A P............. The U S A & all NATO..........

Let them fight amongst themselves as they are prone to do....

That is not a country but a cluster fuck of tribes.... Carved out to suite the British & stifle the Russians....http://www.mazardevelopmentfund.org.au/images/ethnicgroupsmap.gif

I am totally against forcing ppl to live together if they choose not to... In wackistan, Afghani-NAM or Iraq.... Just like in Yugoslavia, USSR ETC>>>:thumbsup:

[MichMike]

Here's the Commie Little Bastard's "source" - DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x516918

Gee... imagine that !!!


Good boy...

Now dispute something. 5 deferments. You've been educated.

[MichMike]

And in the end, you will still have not served your country.

Case closed.

NEXT !!!


You are one stupid ass. I've done more for the country today than you ever will. Hell, I'm protecting you know...as I sip on my latte. Kneel and thank me.

[Citizen]

Dispute the information and we can go. Hint: at the end Cheney will still have 5 freaking deferments.

I don't have to dispute shit. Your phoniness is exposed. Its against the rules as well.

Board rule: No cutting and pasting from another source without posting a link to that source.

Dispute that...... bitch.

[MichMike]

I don't have to dispute shit. Your phoniness is exposed. Its against the rules as well.

Board rule: No cutting and pasting from another source without posting a link to that source.

Dispute that...... bitch.


LOL. Do you want me to list the times you've violated board rules. Dispute the facts and we can go. Until then, there is nothing to discuss other than your sub-human self perhaps.

Inferior scum

[SeniorChief]

Board rule: No cutting and pasting from another source without posting a link to that source.

Dispute that...... bitch.

Liberals are above the rules my friend. Look at John Edwards, Manslaughter Ted Kennedy, KKK Senator Byrd as examples.

[xav8terx]

Liberals are above the rules my friend. Look at John Edwards, Manslaughter Ted Kennedy, KKK Senator Byrd as examples.

Dont forget Mrs. Bush, Delay and the rest of the fuckin scums you stand behind.

[MichMike]

Liberals are above the rules my friend. Look at John Edwards, Manslaughter Ted Kennedy, KKK Senator Byrd as examples.


That is real deep and very balanced Mr. Nixon? Wait, is this Mr. Sanborn? Sorry, perhaps this is Mr. Duke?


It's like taking candy from a baby! Do you realize how unbalanced and one-sided your stupid posts are? You damage America. You should be ashamed.

[MichMike]

Dont forget Mrs. Bush, Delay and the rest of the fuckin scums you stand behind.

It might take awhile for our two little lovers to respond...they are stroking each other...please hold.

[Citizen]

LOL. Do you want me to list the times you've violated board rules. Dispute the facts and we can go. Until then, there is nothing to discuss other than your sub-human self perhaps.

Inferior scum

Go ahead. Anything to keep you from posting your liberal trolling bullshit.

[MichMike]

Yeah - I'd like to see that to.

Go for it Mitch Bitch.

We'll be standing by for your report..... :lmao2:

5. Nixon. :lmao2: :lmao2:

[MichMike]

Go ahead. Anything to keep you from posting your liberal trolling bullshit.



...because the one thing the extreme right hates (other than minorities) is reading something that flys in the face of its ideology.

[SeniorChief]

5. Nixon.

This is the list of times he's violated board rules?

5. Nixon??

What are you, like 12?

[MichMike]

This is the list of times he's violated board rules?

5. Nixon??

What are you, like 12?


What are you? Humiliated?


BTW, encouraging one - or many - to slice his or her wrists open is threatening. Check the rules and work the math.

[SeniorChief]

What are you? Humiliated?


Adios douche.....

[Citizen]

...because the one thing the extreme right hates (other than minorities) is reading something that flys in the face of its ideology.

You just proved you do not have an education above elementary school. Good job. Keep posting.

[SeniorChief]

You just proved you do not have an education above elementary school. Good job. Keep posting.

I seriously think he's either a freshman or sophomore in high school.
Perhaps even still in 8th grade.

Regardless - he's living at home with mother, and it's public school education - for sure.

[MichMike]

You just proved you do not have an education above elementary school. Good job. Keep posting.

That is the last thing you want. Admit it....Mr. Red Face

[Captain Obvious]

Adios douche.....

With the tap-out, BitchMitch is declared the winner.

I'm #3 on Queef's cheese-eating surrender monkey list, btw.

[MichMike]

I seriously think he's either a freshman or sophomore in high school.
Perhaps even still in 8th grade.

Regardless - he's living at home with mother, and it's public school education - for sure.


Your obsessed with me...how cute.

[Citizen]

That is the last thing you want. Admit it....Mr. Red Face

Mr. Red Face? What the... Your creativity is just oozing out.

[MichMike]

Mr. Red Face? What the... Your creativity is just oozing out.


oozing? Very colorful.

[CosmicRocker]

We should leave A S A P............. The U S A & all NATO..........

Let them fight amongst themselves as they are prone to do....

That is not a country but a cluster fuck of tribes.... Carved out to suite the British & stifle the RussiansI am totally against forcing ppl to live together if they choose not to... In wackistan, Afghani-NAM or Iraq.... Just like in Yugoslavia, USSR ETC>>>:thumbsup:
There are consequences to leaving though also.
No doubt the Taliban will return to power, they are ruthless, and were already in power before Karzi was propped up.

Then there is their aid to al_Queda - traing bases and so forth.

My instincts are with you, but I also want you to consider the instability of the region and the threat to Pakistan if we leave.

[MichMike]

There are consequences to leaving though also.
No doubt the Taliban will return to power, they are ruthless, and were already in power before Karzi was propped up.

Then there is their aid to al_Queda - traing bases and so forth.

My instincts are with you, but I also want you to consider the instability of the region and the threat to Pakistan if we leave.


This is just the thing. While Bush was completely out to eat on the issue, I think Obama understands that this is the one place where al Queda actually had a strong hold...setting up training bases and benefitting from solid Taliban support. In a decentralized world, I'm good for fighting surgically using our technology and global reach to our advantage. However, if there is ONE place to keep an eye on (with troops), I would think this is the place. Again, this doesn't mean we send tens of thousands of troops in, but it does mean we need a presence that can kill, monitor and disrupt.

[Bill Cosby]

There are consequences to leaving though also.
No doubt the Taliban will return to power, they are ruthless, and were already in power before Karzi was propped up.

Then there is their aid to al_Queda - traing bases and so forth.

My instincts are with you, but I also want you to consider the instability of the region and the threat to Pakistan if we leave.

How does our staying changes that??? Seems it will remain that way if we stay or leave....

[Moby]

MichMike you MUST provide a link to your source when you do a copy and paste. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Consider this a warning.

[Moby]

How does our staying changes that??? Seems it will remain that way if we stay or leave....
Afghanistan is the perfect country to have terrorist training camps. That's why there were so many of them and our goal was to not only remove the camps but also make it so other camps can't just pop up to replace them next week.

Leaving means that nothing has changed except that now Al-Qaeda has more money than they did in 2001 and also has more strength in Pakistan.

[Dale escondido]

Afghanistan is the perfect country to have terrorist training camps. That's why there were so many of them and our goal was to not only remove the camps but also make it so other camps can't just pop up to replace them next week.

Leaving means that nothing has changed except that now Al-Qaeda has more money than they did in 2001 and also has more strength in Pakistan.

This is such a no win situation.
We don't have the ruthlessness necessary to get these guys attention.
We could level all known terror camps and proxy support our favorite bad guys hoping they rise to the top .
But any real stabilizing would require decades and trillions we need at home.
We have no stomach for a long protracted action and our history is very consistent on this.

[MarkMiller]

Here's the Commie Little Bastard's "source" - DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x516918

Gee... imagine that !!!
That's where I got the santa clause joke.:)

[Bill Cosby]

So we stay militarily for twenty more more fifty a hundred years & as soon as we leave that is what will happen!!!!


They will talk w/ the more moderate talliband & cut a deal...

Sooner or later........ That is what will happen........:thumbsup:

There is no military solution there..........

[ROdger Right]

If you wanna win then you have to forget you have any morals for atleast a day.

Round up a village, bathe them in pigs blood and guts and slaughter them.
Should get rid of 95% of all muslim terrorists in the region.

[MarkMiller]

First of all, the president does not control every aspect of the Military. There are others for that. Some things do not require presidential approval as they are administrative and not controlled by congressional oversight.

There are going to be changes with the war pretty soon whether Obama wants it or not. But he does want it. He needs it...we all do.

Afghanistan is not Iraq and is not Kuwait....it is also not Vietnam. The Department of Defense is looking at all of this and making hard choices, but a demand for more troops right now and sending them is a political trap for Obama set by whoever leaked this information about the troop increase request.

Expect a couple of things, a re-evaluation of current troop rotations, a larger effort towards recruitment (more money) and the Democratic Party will probably buy commercial time to sell whatever they do decide to the American People. (none of which takes in special thought to realise)

[Dale escondido]

So we stay militarily for twenty more more fifty a hundred years & as soon as we leave that is what will happen!!!!


They will talk w/ the more moderate talliband & cut a deal...

Sooner or later........ That is what will happen........:thumbsup:

There is no military solution there..........

The militarys job is to punish with extreme predjustice.
So as a solution it's probably not the answer.
But we continue to try to redefine the military and their role.
Trying to create an atmosphere where the guys don't know whether to spit or shit.

[Bill Cosby]

The militarys job is to punish with extreme predjustice.
So as a solution it's probably not the answer.
But we continue to try to redefine the military and their role.
Trying to create an atmosphere where the guys don't know whether to spit or shit.

It has been 8 years now........ &????

They can be there a hundred & it will be the same....

They need to cut a deal......... Get some of the not so bad taliband to buddy up & they can do the grunt work.... If the bad ppl take over something seems like a nice big conventional target.. Not running around in the mountains & bombing anything that moves...

The solution is not a military one....

[Captain Obvious]

So we stay militarily for twenty more more fifty a hundred years & as soon as we leave that is what will happen!!!!


They will talk w/ the more moderate talliband & cut a deal...

Sooner or later........ That is what will happen........:thumbsup:

There is no military solution there..........

Your buddy O'bama already tried to start up "peace" talks with those fucking cave dwelling, American head-cutting pigs.

They told O'bama to fuck off.

Everyone on the fucking planet (except O'bama and most liberals) knows the only remedy for a mad, dangerous dog is a fucking bullet in the head.

[Bill Cosby]

Your buddy O'bama already tried to start up "peace" talks with those fucking cave dwelling, American head-cutting pigs.

They told O'bama to fuck off.

Everyone on the fucking planet (except O'bama and most liberals) knows the only remedy for a mad, dangerous dog is a fucking bullet in the head.

I guess you figured they were just gonna rollover & let him rub their tummies like good puppies. Especially after all the love America has shown them... :lmao2:

It will happen- they will find some to work w/.....

As far as all the talk about bullets & dogs............ YOU ARE WASTING OUR TIME & OUR LIVES IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT........ The Macedonians, Persians, Mongols, British nor Russians had much luck w/ all their tuff guy talk...

The cowboy will fair no better........

[Captain Obvious]

I guess you figured they were just gonna rollover & let him rub their tummies like good puppies. Especially after all the love America has shown them... :lmao2:

It will happen- they will find some to work w/.....

As far as all the talk about bullets & dogs............ YOU ARE WASTING OUR TIME & OUR LIVES IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT........ The Macedonians, Persians, Mongols, British nor Russians had much luck w/ all their tuff guy talk...

The cowboy will fair no better........

These guys hate our fucking guts. They hate everything we stand for. The only thing that will appease them is when we all wear turbans and pray toward the east to Allah on a fucking blanket 4 times a day.

There is no negotiating with this. It fucking baffles me that people are so fucking gullible as to not understand this.

And you're right, I don't disagree that this will be a losing battle. GW fucked up when he went cherry-picking mythical WMD's in Iraq and ran out on Afghanistan and the O'bama... well, he has other ideas.

[ROdger Right]

I guess you figured they were just gonna rollover & let him rub their tummies like good puppies. Especially after all the love America has shown them... :lmao2:

It will happen- they will find some to work w/.....

As far as all the talk about bullets & dogs............ YOU ARE WASTING OUR TIME & OUR LIVES IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT........ The Macedonians, Persians, Mongols, British nor Russians had much luck w/ all their tuff guy talk...

The cowboy will fair no better........

Macedonians went alot further than afghanistan...

We can't leave these people to a bunch of thugs which are the taliban.
Maybe a unwinnable war but that still does not change the fact that we shouldnt abandon them as we did when Russia was there.

[Bill Cosby]

Macedonians went alot further than afghanistan...

We can't leave these people to a bunch of thugs which are the taliban.
Maybe a unwinnable war but that still does not change the fact that we shouldnt abandon them as we did when Russia was there.

Sounds real noble Rog.... I guess this makes you ppl feel all fuzzy- we are such good helpers... (big fluffy pink kitten smiley here)

A couple problems w/ that Rog... One they never asked for our fucking help.. We have been killing, torturing, mutilating & humiliating for 8 years now........

Two they don't want us there. It is their country, not ours.... Why don't they let them vote on it...... Cause they know they would tell us to leave.......

Thugs, they are their thugs.

In this case the cure (according to the American cowboy logic) is violence.. Not a surprise though as that is the solution to most of our problems..:thumbsup:

I mentioned all those cause they came & didn't stay... They got beaten out... The usa nor anyone is gonna beat them down.... We could not even beat Vietnam... Sooner or later we will join the club...

It is more reasonable to help them... Get some of the good/better taliban & work w/ them.......

[MarkMiller]

These guys hate our fucking guts. They hate everything we stand for. The only thing that will appease them is when we all wear turbans and pray toward the east to Allah on a fucking blanket 4 times a day.

There is no negotiating with this. It fucking baffles me that people are so fucking gullible as to not understand this.

And you're right, I don't disagree that this will be a losing battle. GW fucked up when he went cherry-picking mythical WMD's in Iraq and ran out on Afghanistan and the O'bama... well, he has other ideas.
It's 5 times a day, but.....anyway.

What do you want to happen? Do you want more troops?

[Bill Cosby]

These guys hate our fucking guts. They hate everything we stand for. The only thing that will appease them is when we all wear turbans and pray toward the east to Allah on a fucking blanket 4 times a day.

There is no negotiating with this. It fucking baffles me that people are so fucking gullible as to not understand this.

And you're right, I don't disagree that this will be a losing battle. GW fucked up when he went cherry-picking mythical WMD's in Iraq and ran out on Afghanistan and the O'bama... well, he has other ideas.

"they"............ Who is they???

Why do "they" hate us?? oh bush told us cause our freedumb...lol

Some ppl hate the usa- you don't care why so I aint going to bother w/ that..

Not all the ppl there hate the usa or west..........

You can cowboy whatever makes you feel better but I know I am right... In the end they will deal w/ them...

John Wayne or Rocky are not gonna ride in & save the day......

The USA/west is gonna have to start minding their own business & leave them ppl alone...

[Captain Obvious]

It's 5 times a day, but.....anyway.

What do you want to happen? Do you want more troops?

I see BC backed out of this one.

But he's partially right, I'll give him credit. It's an unwinable situation at the moment.

Unless we're willing to deploy the necessary resources and garner enough allies to wage this war along side of us and this war becomes a priority to the president and congress, then it's a big circle jerk.

It's not a priority to the O'bama, GW fucked up our global rep and everyone bailed out and the allocation of resources is much ado about nothing - a political pissing match.

There's no focus, no strategy, no goals.

Bring them home now.

[Captain Obvious]

"they"............ Who is they???

Why do "they" hate us?? oh bush told us cause our freedumb...lol

Some ppl hate the usa- you don't care why so I aint going to bother w/ that..

Not all the ppl there hate the usa or west..........

You can cowboy whatever makes you feel better but I know I am right... In the end they will deal w/ them...

John Wayne or Rocky are not gonna ride in & save the day......

The USA/west is gonna have to start minding their own business & leave them ppl alone...

Did you read my post? Are you aware that the O'bama already tried to kiss the Taliban's ass and they told him to fuck off? You think I made it up? Go google it.

By they I mean radical Islam. Not Afghanistan citizens, who by the way are just a step below hating our fucking guts, our culture and democracy.

The Taliban and the other anti-western factions over there have one objective in life - to take down western civilization. If and when we leave, the Taliban (who already are doing this) will step back in, implement their 'beat and rape anyone who smiles in public' policy, bring more assholes in with them and design, plot and attempt to execute more damage to anything and everything western.

But you think that we can simply go to them and say 'hey, let's forget about the whole thing'.

What don't you understand? I really don't get it. Their interest is in the downfall of western culture.

There is no negotiating.

Edit - I'm re-reading your post again and I'm baffled, simply baffled that someone of your general intelligence made this comment:

The USA/west is gonna have to start minding their own business & leave them ppl alone...

Like we went to them?

You really don't get it, do you?

[MarkMiller]

I see BC backed out of this one.

But he's partially right, I'll give him credit. It's an unwinable situation at the moment.

Unless we're willing to deploy the necessary resources and garner enough allies to wage this war along side of us and this war becomes a priority to the president and congress, then it's a big circle jerk.

It's not a priority to the O'bama, GW fucked up our global rep and everyone bailed out and the allocation of resources is much ado about nothing - a political pissing match.

There's no focus, no strategy, no goals.

Bring them home now.
Being willing is not enough. Resources are tough to bring into the region and is part of the advantage the "Enemy" has there. It is a "Come after us" ploy to get troops drawn into an area where they can easily be defeated or beaten down.

Yes, I think your right that Obama has not made this a priority, but I ask....what is the priority exactly. The priority is the defense of the nation. What has been the goal in this war on terror up until now? To capture or kill Osama Bin Laden. Staying within the goals has been a huge problem no matter who takes blame for it.

The most important part of fighting in Afghanistan is intelligent and strategic planning. This is a very different kind of war than even the guerilla warfare that threw the US off during the Vietnam war and took us time to adjust to. The same is true here. The mountainous terrain is difficult in that it is vast. You can't just claim area that cannot be defended so we won't be seeing a lot of base building in Afghanistan.

[Bill Cosby]

Did you read my post? Are you aware that the O'bama already tried to kiss the Taliban's ass and they told him to fuck off? You think I made it up? Go google it.

By they I mean radical Islam. Not Afghanistan citizens, who by the way are just a step below hating our fucking guts, our culture and democracy.

The Taliban and the other anti-western factions over there have one objective in life - to take down western civilization. If and when we leave, the Taliban (who already are doing this) will step back in, implement their 'beat and rape anyone who smiles in public' policy, bring more assholes in with them and design, plot and attempt to execute more damage to anything and everything western.

But you think that we can simply go to them and say 'hey, let's forget about the whole thing'.

What don't you understand? I really don't get it. Their interest is in the downfall of western culture.

There is no negotiating.

Edit - I'm re-reading your post again and I'm baffled, simply baffled that someone of your general intelligence made this comment:



Like we went to them?

You really don't get it, do you?

I replied to your post I believe.... I understand what you said. I don't like the Obama war anymore than I did the bush wars...

I don't agree that violence will always work........ It will never work there... You can not fight the ideas & hate w/ bombs..... These ppl are just never going to stop........ Call Westmoreland for more troops- you see how well that worked in Vietnam...... :banghead:

We are not going to agree. I don't care if anyone here agrees....... COuld care less......

I said what I had to say & I meant every damn word of it.. If you or anyone thinks less of me as a result tuff shit I guess........

I am sure that when the deals are cut & we are leaving nary a one of yea will be giving me any props...

Oh & lots of ppl hate us, some for good reasons..... Invading them is probably not the best way to get them to change their minds~ Just a thought.............

:D

[CosmicRocker]

It has been 8 years now........ &????

They can be there a hundred & it will be the same....

They need to cut a deal......... Get some of the not so bad taliband to buddy up & they can do the grunt work.... If the bad ppl take over something seems like a nice big conventional target.. Not running around in the mountains & bombing anything that moves...

The solution is not a military one....
8 years , but not at the current force strength, or the new force strength coming up
( You know it has to increase, or we leave - there are not enough US troops there now to carry out the new mission of building the Afgan Army,
as well as killing Taliban ).

This is the same deal as Nam, a cival war, but it has the added twist of nationbuilding , like Iraq.:help:

A very difficult political challenge ( corrupt Karzi gov't ), as well as strategic
( the isolation, and local war lord controls),
as well as tacticle ( the difficult terrain,and identifying the enemy) considerations

Every bone in my body screams "Get out of this quicksand".
Yet my head also knows that doing so will revert to approx. the situation pre- 9-11.

I guess get out , then be willing to go back with drones.
But Bill Clinton tried that approach also.
Al_Queda has been greatly weakend since then; but they are a multi headed hydra now, less centralized but more worldwide.

It's a puzzle within a puzzle.
I'll usually venture an opinion, but i'm stumped on this one.:disbelief:

[Captain Obvious]

I replied to your post I believe.... I understand what you said. I don't like the Obama war anymore than I did the bush wars...

I don't agree that violence will always work........ It will never work there... You can not fight the ideas & hate w/ bombs..... These ppl are just never going to stop........ Call Westmoreland for more troops- you see how well that worked in Vietnam...... :banghead:

We are not going to agree. I don't care if anyone here agrees....... COuld care less......

I said what I had to say & I meant every damn word of it.. If you or anyone thinks less of me as a result tuff shit I guess........

I am sure that when the deals are cut & we are leaving nary a one of yea will be giving me any props...

Oh & lots of ppl hate us, some for good reasons..... Invading them is probably not the best way to get them to change their minds~ Just a thought.............

:D

I don't disagree with you, so take your props now. There is likely to be some sort of agreement. And more Islamic aggression.

The O'bama is an appeaser. He has no pride or common sense, he will bow to the Islamic fuckjobs and more innocent Americans will die because of it.

[ROdger Right]

I replied to your post I believe.... I understand what you said. I don't like the Obama war anymore than I did the bush wars...

I don't agree that violence will always work........ It will never work there... You can not fight the ideas & hate w/ bombs..... These ppl are just never going to stop........ Call Westmoreland for more troops- you see how well that worked in Vietnam...... :banghead:

We are not going to agree. I don't care if anyone here agrees....... COuld care less......

I said what I had to say & I meant every damn word of it.. If you or anyone thinks less of me as a result tuff shit I guess........

I am sure that when the deals are cut & we are leaving nary a one of yea will be giving me any props...

Oh & lots of ppl hate us, some for good reasons..... Invading them is probably not the best way to get them to change their minds~ Just a thought.............

:D

Im sure you said the Iraq war was unwinnable at one point and time.
You disagree with every war America has ever fought. Why should anyone listen to you?

[Bill Cosby]

Im sure you said the Iraq war was unwinnable at one point and time.
You disagree with every war America has ever fought. Why should anyone listen to you?

Well Rog since I never listen to you what can I say....???? :dunno:

[Bill Cosby]

I don't disagree with you, so take your props now. There is likely to be some sort of agreement. And more Islamic aggression.

The O'bama is an appeaser. He has no pride or common sense, he will bow to the Islamic fuckjobs and more innocent Americans will die because of it.

Yes w/ all those wackO's running around that is a possibility...... But it is a big planet & we cannot police/invade all of it....

I think that there are segments in place now that are much more moderate then some of the wackY murders.... IMO they can be much more effective than we can....

I think we need to work on over coming the hate by rebuilding ( mini-Marshall plan) the place... All the money we are spending on bombing the fourth world country could go a long long way rebuilding it & putting ppl to work...........

[Bill Cosby]

Im sure you said the Iraq war was unwinnable at one point and time.
You disagree with every war America has ever fought. Why should anyone listen to you?

Well if you are so sure then go look it up & get back to me... & we can go from there... :thumbsup:

[ROdger Right]

Well if you are so sure then go look it up & get back to me... & we can go from there... :thumbsup:

Why? Will you not admit it anymore?:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Why? Will you not admit it anymore?:lmao2:

Originally Posted by ROdger Right
Im sure you said

I guess you will see once you produce it...

:D

[ROdger Right]

I guess you will see once you produce it...

:D
The posts for a person only go back 500 posts so it can not be confirmed.

Funny how that was never a priority.........:(

The country was not/is not al aquada...

bush went off the deep/paranoid end on this. Or he was driven to it by his vp but it was/is a folly........ The place is "somalia" in central asia....... & has been for years & years..........

We have had troops on the ground for years & the sitch is the same.....:banghead: :banghead:

This is you talking about Iraq saying that it is the same which doesn't seem to positive.

You can find this on page 54 near the bottom.

Now all you have to say is that you never spoke such words ever, and youd be found not guilty due to lack of evidence.

[SortofLiberal]

The Afghan war was necessary to combat the terrorist training camps but what now? The war has been going on for almost 8 years, the drug trade has flourished provide the terrorist with vast amounts of money and we pumped $Billion of US Dollars into Pakistan where many terrorists have found safe haven.

Russia could not conquer this region and after 8 years of trying the USA can't bring peace and clear the terrorists.

Is it time for more troops?

Is it time to get out?

Is it time for something else?


I have felt all along that we should do the same thing in Afghanistan that we did in Kosovo. . . stay with the air attack and avoid boots on the ground. We are no match for people that know every cave and cranny of that Godforsaken landscape. Bomb the hell out of their cities taking out utilities and all that is needed for a more modern way of life. Bomb the poppy fields and then leave them to their misery. Let them know as long as they harbor terrorist training camps and bow to Taliban rule, we will continue to come back to disrupt those plotting to kill us and let them make the decision when they want to get rid of the Taliban and Al Queda. It didn't take the people in Kosovo long to decide to turn Milosevic over to the world court and that was done without the loss of even one American life in combat.

[Bill Cosby]

The posts for a person only go back 500 posts so it can not be confirmed.



This is you talking about Iraq saying that it is the same which doesn't seem to positive.

Then ou can find this on page 54 near the bottom.

Now all you have to say is that you never spoke such words ever, and youd be found not guilty due to lack of evidence.

You can also use goggle & several other search engines that cache...
You tell exactly what it is you want me to deny rog.....

Then we can go from there.......

I was/am against both wars........... Invading IraQ was totally stupid & wrong...

You wanna play rog we can play.... I am not going to help you this time either.... :hi:

Start out by defining winning & losing if you can...

:D

[Bill Cosby]

I have felt all along that we should do the same thing in Afghanistan that we did in Kosovo. . . stay with the air attack and avoid boots on the ground. We are no match for people that know every cave and cranny of that Godforsaken landscape. Bomb the hell out of their cities taking out utilities and all that is needed for a more modern way of life. Bomb the poppy fields and then leave them to their misery. Let them know as long as they harbor terrorist training camps and bow to Taliban rule, we will continue to come back to disrupt those plotting to kill us and let them make the decision when they want to get rid of the Taliban and Al Queda. It didn't take the people in Kosovo long to decide to turn Milosevic over to the world court and that was done without the loss of even one American life in combat.

I guess that is why you are just sorta liberal............

Bombing innocent women & children & destroying an ancient civilization is fine if it suites your political agenda...

Your foolish ideas of the cowboy riding in & kicking ass as just that....

Afghani-NAM is not Kosovo..........

Bombing & murdering ppl to try & force them to rise up against their masters fails.......... You only serve to turn them against.... You ppl learned nothing in Vietnam...

TO fuckin bad............

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

[ROdger Right]

You can also use goggle & several other search engines that cache...
You tell exactly what it is you want me to deny rog.....

Then we can go from there.......

I was/am against both wars........... Invading IraQ was totally stupid & wrong...

You wanna play rog we can play.... I am not going to help you this time either.... :hi:

Start out by defining winning & losing if you can...

:D

Nope, obviously that was good enough proof for you that stopped you from denying the accusation. With your past learnings brought up I believe I coulda thrown your ass in jail. Good thing your not breaking the law.

[Bill Cosby]

Nope, obviously that was good enough proof for you that stopped you from denying the accusation. With your past learnings brought up I believe I coulda thrown your ass in jail. Good thing your not breaking the law.

What the hell you talking about???

Stop acting dumber than you are....

I don't know why I waste time talking w/ you................ :banghead:

bush declared mission accomplished & they hate us for our freedumb... That is all you really need rog............

:taunt:

[ROdger Right]

What the hell you talking about???

Stop acting dumber than you are....

I don't know why I waste time talking w/ you................ :banghead:

bush declared mission accomplished & they hate us for our freedumb... That is all you really need rog............

:taunt:

Show proof that they hate us for our freedom.

[Bill Cosby]

Show proof that they hate us for our freedom.

Show proof you have any reading comprehension skills..........

[ROdger Right]

All I know is your a little bitch who can't answer a direct question.

So divert all you want its what your good at.

[Moby]

The posts for a person only go back 500 posts so it can not be confirmed.
Actual Roger if you go into Advanced you should be able to search through far more then 500 posts.

Search for a keyword and then the person. You should find the exact post you're looking for.

[Dale escondido]

I have felt all along that we should do the same thing in Afghanistan that we did in Kosovo. . . stay with the air attack and avoid boots on the ground. We are no match for people that know every cave and cranny of that Godforsaken landscape. Bomb the hell out of their cities taking out utilities and all that is needed for a more modern way of life. Bomb the poppy fields and then leave them to their misery. Let them know as long as they harbor terrorist training camps and bow to Taliban rule, we will continue to come back to disrupt those plotting to kill us and let them make the decision when they want to get rid of the Taliban and Al Queda. It didn't take the people in Kosovo long to decide to turn Milosevic over to the world court and that was done without the loss of even one American life in combat.

:thumbsup: Punish with extreme predjustice and come home.
No body bags required and repeat as necessary.

[ROdger Right]

Well I had it too, some reason everything messed up.

Although it wasnt in his own words the exact phrase that is. Cosby used pictures and a brief report that clearly stated Iraq was a failure, doomed to fail type shit. Of course this was at pg