A Tackle Box Full of Race Bait

[MintJulep]

September 18, 2009

A Tackle Box Full of Race Bait

By Jonah Goldberg (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/author/jonah_goldberg/)


Of all the poisonous, ugly, and intellectually vapid controversies ginned up in my lifetime, the current breakout of St. Vitus' Dance over the "racist" opposition to Barack Obama may be the most egregious.

Al Sharpton tells CNN's Larry King that decent and racially sensitive Americans shouldn't let a small minority make health care into a "racial issue."

Someone in the control room surely yelled, "Cue the laugh track!"

In case you don't get the joke, this entire "debate" over whether opposition to Obama's health-care reform is racist is totally, completely, and in every way conceivable an invention of the Left.

Oh, sure, there are some racists who oppose Obama. Shocking news, that.

And, yes, a tiny, tiny fraction of the signs at the Tea Party protests last weekend were racially insensitive. But if that's how we're going to score, then opposition to the Iraq War is anti-Semitic. After all, I saw a bunch of signs at antiwar protests that said bigoted things about Jews.

Meanwhile, no significant conservative politician, pundit, or intellectual has said that they object to Obama's agenda because he's black. Rather, they've said they oppose his agenda for precisely the same reasons they oppose Nancy Pelosi's and Harry Reid's and Barney Frank's agendas. They stand athwart Obama yelling "Stop!" just as they did with Clinton and Democratic presidents before him.

Magically, the alchemic powers of Obama's black skin transmogrify the same arguments and the same rhetoric into racism. Saying "you're wrong" to a white politician is a disagreement; saying it to a black politician is like shouting through Bull Connor's megaphone.

It's been said that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. Well, these people can indict a ham sandwich for being racist. There is not an issue, topic, or flavor of ice cream that Al Sharpton won't inject racism into. But suddenly Larry King needs to ask him whether opposition to socialized medicine is racist - as if Sharpton's response was ever in doubt. Why not just ask the host of an infomercial whether you really need a ShamWow?

Left-wing writers spent the week droning on about how it's now racist to say "I want my country back." These amnesiacs are blissfully unaware that "taking back" America was the rallying cry of the Democratic party for eight years under George W. Bush. Anti-white racists all?

Jimmy Carter sighs, "It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."

Well, ditto. Except I think the abominable circumstance is the Vesuvian eruption of nonsense belched forth from distempered liberals frustrated by their inability to win a public-policy debate.

An "overwhelming proportion" of the vocal opposition to Obama stems from the "inherent feeling" that "an African-American should not be president," testifies the de facto voice of Southern self-loathing and pharisaical pomposity.

Really, President Carter? Based on what? Polls you've studied? Which ones? Or did you descend from the temple of the Carter Center, flee your enabling entourage of sycophants, and canvass some neighborhoods yourself? How many people told you they don't think a black man should be president? One? Two? Zero? Or are you simply reading minds again?

The good news is that the race peddlers have undermined themselves. The notion that opposing skyrocketing deficits and socialized medicine is racist is met with eye rolls by the vast majority of Americans, who do not need Sharpton and Carter to tell them what is - or is not - in their own hearts.

And, in fairness, when it became clear that Carter had turned this "debate" from mere fraud to farce, it suddenly dawned on some Democrats, including those in the White House, that smearing millions of constituents and swing voters (many of whom voted for Obama) as racists isn't the best politics. So one cheer for those who objected to this idiocy too little and far too late.

But others just won't let go. Maureen Dowd of the New York Times hears Rep. Joe Wilson shout, "You lie!" And her instinctive response is: "Fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!"

It's the "fair or not" that gives Dowd away. She admits to hearing racism whether or not it's warranted. That's called prejudice. And unlike Wilson's foolish outburst, Dowd's was carefully considered. Dowd, Carter and Sharpton can't grasp that conservatives are less hung up on race than they are and that we can get past Obama's skin color. "Some people just can't believe a black man is president and will never accept it," writes Dowd. She's right. She's one of them.

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[Moby]

Isn't all this talk about race baiting kind of silly when the 2 most powerful leaders of the GOP have accused the President of being Racists? Think about it.

[Cookie]

Isn't all this talk about race baiting kind of silly when the 2 most powerful leaders of the GOP have accused the President of being Racists? Think about it.

Moby, can you honestly say, that the accusation is unequivocally without merit?
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[John Galt]

Well, we see pictures of a field of watermelons on the White House lawn posted here....and the entire right wing contingent shows up and shrugs it off as "just a picture".

Nope...no racism involved. Just a little produce humor.

If the Fox News faithful don't like negroes filthying up the White House, at least have the balls to stand up and admit it.

[Moby]

Moby, can you honestly say, that the accusation is unequivocally without merit?
I think it's a silly debate.

Some no name late night radio person with a 90 minute show makes fun of Jindal's accent and the right wing nuts went crazy posting headlines "Liberals Attacking Jindal" and the Neocon media was all over it.

Fox News and Clear Channel are playing the race card every which way possible.


They're using the weak man argument if anyone no matter how trivial they are pokes fun of race.
They're accusing out nations leaders of being racist
They're making racist comments themselves
They're doing public relations work and promoting events full of racism.


When you have the two money man and they're followers playing the race card so many ways, I think it becomes a very silly debate. It's obvious who's spending the most money to get mileage out of race.

[foxbaron]

The race card has been played so many times by so many people that it has little or no significance anymore.

People who weren't racists or were sitting on the fence are probably racist now because they are so sick and tired of racism being used as an excuse for everything.

The race baiters have managed to hurt those who are actual victims of racism and makes it hard for anyone to take them seriously when they are victiims or to even care anymore.

[Binky]

The race card has been played so many times by so many people that it has little or no significance anymore.

People who weren't racists or were sitting on the fence are probably racist now because they are so sick and tired of racism being used as an excuse for everything.

The race baiters have managed to hurt those who are actual victims of racism and makes it hard for anyone to take them seriously when they are victiims or to even care anymore.

I was just sitting here thinking the same thing when I spotted your post. The race baiters have cried wolf so many times throughout the decades, that it now holds no meaning......it's become very boring. They can't think of anything constructive to say, so they throw out racism yet again, giving it another shot at becoming noticed....

[Bill Cosby]

f all the poisonous, ugly, and intellectually vapid controversies ginned up in my lifetime

The right wing writer was born in 69-----

He likely believes the world began sometime shorty before that....

By 1968 all forms of segregation had been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and by 1970, support for formal legal segregation had dissolved. Formal racial discrimination was illegal in school systems, businesses, the American military, other civil services and the government. Separate bathrooms, water fountains and schools all disappeared and the civil rights movement had the public's support

I have only one question: Are everyone of the ppl opposed to Obama not racist yes or no....

I think that should help those choking on the sand... :thumbsup:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4-4_VIeybCc/SfyUUztiADI/AAAAAAAAAqw/e_CpmQa_vK8/s400/head-in-sand.JPG

[Binky]

:lmao2: Good pic of most of the population, Cos....and that's excluding me, of course.....:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Of course...........lol

[Cookie]

Well, we see pictures of a field of watermelons on the White House lawn posted here....and the entire right wing contingent shows up and shrugs it off as "just a picture".

Nope...no racism involved. Just a little produce humor.

If the Fox News faithful don't like negroes filthying up the White House, at least have the balls to stand up and admit it.


Don't you think it's time to drop these tired old dumbass stereotypes of people? Who the F! cares if people like watermelon, pumpkin or sweet potato pie, or fried chicken? WHO CARES?

It's the people who keep these crappy notions and ugly connotations alive and well who are to blame. Because afterall, what is so F'ing bad about eating watermelon? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Hell, I eat it all the time. Fried okra too. So what!?!
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[Binky]

Of course...........lol


:lmao2: Does it exclude you?

[disrupter]

It isn't all racism,

most of it is treason.

[Bill Cosby]

:lmao2: Does it exclude you?

No.............

:thumbsup:

:lmao2:

LOL.... I think in some ways it applies to all of us to one extent or another...

no one can know everything or figure everything out...

I hope that I am not in denial... I choose to challenge my thoughts & ideas rather than cherish them...

I wish more ppl would...:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

September 18, 2009

A Tackle Box Full of Race Bait

By Jonah Goldberg (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/author/jonah_goldberg/)


Of all the poisonous, ugly, and intellectually vapid controversies ginned up in my lifetime, the current breakout of St. Vitus' Dance over the "racist" opposition to Barack Obama may be the most egregious.

Al Sharpton tells CNN's Larry King that decent and racially sensitive Americans shouldn't let a small minority make health care into a "racial issue."

Someone in the control room surely yelled, "Cue the laugh track!"

In case you don't get the joke, this entire "debate" over whether opposition to Obama's health-care reform is racist is totally, completely, and in every way conceivable an invention of the Left.

Oh, sure, there are some racists who oppose Obama. Shocking news, that.

And, yes, a tiny, tiny fraction of the signs at the Tea Party protests last weekend were racially insensitive. But if that's how we're going to score, then opposition to the Iraq War is anti-Semitic. After all, I saw a bunch of signs at antiwar protests that said bigoted things about Jews.

Meanwhile, no significant conservative politician, pundit, or intellectual has said that they object to Obama's agenda because he's black. Rather, they've said they oppose his agenda for precisely the same reasons they oppose Nancy Pelosi's and Harry Reid's and Barney Frank's agendas. They stand athwart Obama yelling "Stop!" just as they did with Clinton and Democratic presidents before him.

Magically, the alchemic powers of Obama's black skin transmogrify the same arguments and the same rhetoric into racism. Saying "you're wrong" to a white politician is a disagreement; saying it to a black politician is like shouting through Bull Connor's megaphone.

It's been said that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. Well, these people can indict a ham sandwich for being racist. There is not an issue, topic, or flavor of ice cream that Al Sharpton won't inject racism into. But suddenly Larry King needs to ask him whether opposition to socialized medicine is racist - as if Sharpton's response was ever in doubt. Why not just ask the host of an infomercial whether you really need a ShamWow?

Left-wing writers spent the week droning on about how it's now racist to say "I want my country back." These amnesiacs are blissfully unaware that "taking back" America was the rallying cry of the Democratic party for eight years under George W. Bush. Anti-white racists all?

Jimmy Carter sighs, "It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."

Well, ditto. Except I think the abominable circumstance is the Vesuvian eruption of nonsense belched forth from distempered liberals frustrated by their inability to win a public-policy debate.

An "overwhelming proportion" of the vocal opposition to Obama stems from the "inherent feeling" that "an African-American should not be president," testifies the de facto voice of Southern self-loathing and pharisaical pomposity.

Really, President Carter? Based on what? Polls you've studied? Which ones? Or did you descend from the temple of the Carter Center, flee your enabling entourage of sycophants, and canvass some neighborhoods yourself? How many people told you they don't think a black man should be president? One? Two? Zero? Or are you simply reading minds again?

The good news is that the race peddlers have undermined themselves. The notion that opposing skyrocketing deficits and socialized medicine is racist is met with eye rolls by the vast majority of Americans, who do not need Sharpton and Carter to tell them what is - or is not - in their own hearts.

And, in fairness, when it became clear that Carter had turned this "debate" from mere fraud to farce, it suddenly dawned on some Democrats, including those in the White House, that smearing millions of constituents and swing voters (many of whom voted for Obama) as racists isn't the best politics. So one cheer for those who objected to this idiocy too little and far too late.

But others just won't let go. Maureen Dowd of the New York Times hears Rep. Joe Wilson shout, "You lie!" And her instinctive response is: "Fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!"

It's the "fair or not" that gives Dowd away. She admits to hearing racism whether or not it's warranted. That's called prejudice. And unlike Wilson's foolish outburst, Dowd's was carefully considered. Dowd, Carter and Sharpton can't grasp that conservatives are less hung up on race than they are and that we can get past Obama's skin color. "Some people just can't believe a black man is president and will never accept it," writes Dowd. She's right. She's one of them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/18/a_tackle_box_full_of_race_bait_98371.htmlAnyone who does not read the entire article is simply avoiding the cold hard facts of life because they prefer the fantasyland they hide in.

[MintJulep]

No.............

:thumbsup:

:lmao2:

LOL.... I think in some ways it applies to all of us to one extent or another...

no one can know everything or figure everything out...

I hope that I am not in denial... I choose to challenge my thoughts & ideas rather than cherish them...

I wish more ppl would...:thumbsup:If you think the protest last weekend was basely mainly on racism, then why was there the same amount of opposition to Hillary's plans in the 90s? By today's leftist logic, everyone would have embraced a govt takeover of healthcare -- simply because Hillary was a whitey.

What happened there? I'm sure Hillary would have preferred to blame it all on racism or sexism rather than the fact the plan sucked and no one wanted it, don't you? Do you see how utterly insane the argument is?

[Bill Cosby]

If you think the protest last weekend was basely mainly on racism, then why was there the same amount of opposition to Hillary's plans in the 90s? By today's leftist logic, everyone would have embraced a govt takeover of healthcare -- simply because Hillary was a whitey.

What happened there? I'm sure Hillary would have preferred to blame it all on racism or sexism rather than the fact the plan sucked and no one wanted it, don't you? Do you see how utterly insane the argument is?

If...........

mainly

It is not all or nothing.... I am relatively new @ being on the left so my mind reading skillz are not up to snuff so I don't know what their motives were mainly based on or what was really, really going on in their beady little minds....:D

I was against hillary care- had I known then what I know now I would not have been... :thumbsup:

Some ppl were against her because she was hillary.. Nothing would have changed that... She could have said the Canadians will pay for it all & still lots of folks would have told her to shove it... Some of them because she was a women. Bill's wife... Democrat.. On the wall mart board & yea white & privileged.... Did I forget rich....

Biggorty, sexism, racism, classism.... There is lots going on in addition to just the issues IMHO......... :hi:

[MintJulep]

If...........

mainly

It is not all or nothing.... I am relatively new @ being on the left so my mind reading skillz are not up to snuff so I don't know what their motives were mainly based on or what was really, really going on in their beady little minds....:D

I was against hillary care- had I known then what I know now I would not have been... :thumbsup:

Some ppl were against her because she was hillary.. Nothing would have changed that... She could have said the Canadians will pay for it all & still lots of folks would have told her to shove it... Some of them because she was a women. Bill's wife... Democrat.. On the wall mart board & yea white & privileged.... Did I forget rich....

Biggorty, sexism, racism, classism.... There is lots going on in addition to just the issues IMHO......... :hi:But, accordingly to the charges of racism being leveled now, it seems Hillarycare would have passed with flying colors -- simply because she was white.

She didn't claim she lost that battle because she was a victim, although that would have been easier for her to accept. She pretty much accepted she lost because it sucked and no one wanted it. It wasn't embraced and accepted by all simply because she was white. Just as the big govt plan being opposed now has not a damn thing to do with race.

[ROdger Right]

It wont stop them from accusing everybody of it though

[doctordog]

Don't you think it's time to drop these tired old dumbass stereotypes of people? Who the F! cares if people like watermelon, pumpkin or sweet potato pie, or fried chicken? WHO CARES?

It's the people who keep these crappy notions and ugly connotations alive and well who are to blame. Because afterall, what is so F'ing bad about eating watermelon? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Hell, I eat it all the time. Fried okra too. So what!?!

Fried chicken too:lmao2:

[Binky]

No.............

:thumb

LOL.... I think in some ways it applies to all of us to one extent or another...

no one can know everything or figure everything out...

I hope that I am not in denial... I choose to challenge my thoughts & ideas rather than cherish them...

I wish more ppl would...:thumbsup:


Why anyone would want to sit and cherish all their thoughts is beyond me. :confused: And I do think each of us have had our heads buried in the sand, at one time or another. It's only natural....Things we don't want to know about, or things that we do but bother us, are the things we choose to shove on a back burner and then stick our heads in the sand, hoping to forget about them. Or not even having to acknowledge them in the first place. If I don't want to read what's going on in your mind, I just stick my head in a hole and pretend you haven't said anything. :lmao2: It's actually a very easy concept to grasp.....

Just kidding Cos, you know I hang on your every word and/or thought....:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Why anyone would want to sit and cherish all their thoughts is beyond me. :confused: And I do think each of us have had our heads buried in the sand, at one time or another. It's only natural....Things we don't want to know about, or things that we do but bother us, are the things we choose to shove on a back burner and then stick our heads in the sand, hoping to forget about them. Or not even having to acknowledge them in the first place. If I don't want to read what's going on in your mind, I just stick my head in a hole and pretend you haven't said anything. It's actually a very easy concept to grasp.....

Just kidding Cos, you know I hang on your every word and/or thought....:lmao2:


As you should... That shows just how intelligent you really are......:thumbsup:

Very true there are things we alll have we would prob just rather not deal w/.... I/we have things in the past we can not change & perhaps still hurt from..........

Not much use dragging them out & beating ourselves............. :D

What I meant by that "cherish ones own thoughts" is ppl unwilling to challenge themselves... Unwilling to allow others to challenge them.. TO explore what they think & feel w/ someone that does not agree w/ them... Who better to point out flaws in our thinking & conclusions???

That is not a left-right issue but a human issue....

Ppl on both sides listen to the cable news-tv pundits & entertainers & get fed what they want to hear.... They get only one side of the argument...

There is another side~ there always is...

[foxbaron]

The right wing writer was born in 69-----

He likely believes the world began sometime shorty before that....



I have only one question: Are everyone of the ppl opposed to Obama not racist yes or no....

I think that should help those choking on the sand... IMG]


Just because you disagree with Obama doesn't make one a racist. It makes one a concerned citizen who sees this idiot destroying our country little by little and a Congress that is willing to kiss his ass just to curry favor with the "First Black President"

WE are so far away from Kings statement of a man being judged by his character and not his color that it is ridiculous.

If oppossing Obama makes one a racist than feel free to put that label on me.

I think he is an incompetent bleeding heart piece of crap that has no clue what the hell he is doing and is controlled by others in the shadows, mostly white folks. He does what he is told because he has no experience and is indebted to these people.

It's not Obama using the race card its the assholes behind him that are pushing it and he has no control over it or anything else.

The man has no clue or he is the most diabolical son of bitch going because he and his policies are destroying this country.

No one really knows where he came from or how the hell he got there and no one can tell us or is willing to.

This guy is the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.

[ROdger Right]

Sounds pretty spot on there fox

[Hog Trash]

Don't you think it's time to drop these tired old dumbass stereotypes of people? Who the F! cares if people like watermelon, pumpkin or sweet potato pie, or fried chicken? WHO CARES?

It's the people who keep these crappy notions and ugly connotations alive and well who are to blame. Because afterall, what is so F'ing bad about eating watermelon? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Hell, I eat it all the time. Fried okra too. So what!?!Hog likes to eat all those things!...Yum-Yum-Yum!

Hey?...You don't suppose?...Naaaaa!...No way! :D

[John Galt]

Don't you think it's time to drop these tired old dumbass stereotypes of people? Who the F! cares if people like watermelon, pumpkin or sweet potato pie, or fried chicken? WHO CARES?

You'll have to take that up w/Wayers...he's the racist that posted the pic..

There was a reason he used it...at least he should have the balls to own it.

It's the people who keep these crappy notions and ugly connotations alive and well who are to blame. Because afterall, what is so F'ing bad about eating watermelon? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Hell, I eat it all the time. Fried okra too. So what!?!
Michael Richards, and then Imus, peeled the scab that started the nation discussing the topic.

Clearly, it's one of those topics that creates a polarized response.


There is much more at play here, than racism. The majority of repubs. who swore they'd "support" the president, had no intention of doing so.

Now that the masses are firmly supporting the "no" ploy, much of what we see is a blanket refusal of "all things Obama".

This has nothing to do w/race. It is an attempt to make all of his desperate attempts to right this ship, appear to have failed.

I hope the repubs. keep it up, because we'll replace more of you on 2010. Your base may be amused, but the rest of the country isn't impressed.



That said, this current trend on the right, has brought out the base. Buried within this group, is a large contingent of racist morons, who are happy to join the obstructionists, albeit for their own dark reasons.

[Bill Cosby]

Just because you disagree with Obama doesn't make one a racist.

.

I never said it did & I am getting tired of answering the same damn thing over & over...

Read what I wrote to Minty...........

You disagree w/ something specific pls feel free to point it out my friend... :thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

You'll have to take that up w/Wayers...he's the racist that posted the pic..

There was a reason he used it...at least he should have the balls to own it.


Michael Richards, and then Imus, peeled the scab that started the nation discussing the topic.

Clearly, it's one of those topics that creates a polarized response.


There is much more at play here, than racism. The majority of repubs. who swore they'd "support" the president, had no intention of doing so.

Now that the masses are firmly supporting the "no" ploy, much of what we see is a blanket refusal of "all things Obama".

This has nothing to do w/race. It is an attempt to make all of his desperate attempts to right this ship, appear to have failed.

I hope the repubs. keep it up, because we'll replace more of you on 2010. Your base may be amused, but the rest of the country isn't impressed.



That said, this current trend on the right, has brought out the base. Buried within this group, is a large contingent of racist morons, who are happy to join the obstructionists, albeit for their own dark reasons.


LOL................... :thumbsup:

If it is pointed out that some have race issues they respond w/ you are saying everyone opposed to the President is a racist.........

If you reply no, I am stating that some are racist they continue on w/ the same argument...

[MintJulep]

Just because you disagree with Obama doesn't make one a racist. It makes one a concerned citizen who sees this idiot destroying our country little by little and a Congress that is willing to kiss his ass just to curry favor with the "First Black President"

WE are so far away from Kings statement of a man being judged by his character and not his color that it is ridiculous.

If oppossing Obama makes one a racist than feel free to put that label on me.

I think he is an incompetent bleeding heart piece of crap that has no clue what the hell he is doing and is controlled by others in the shadows, mostly white folks. He does what he is told because he has no experience and is indebted to these people.

It's not Obama using the race card its the assholes behind him that are pushing it and he has no control over it or anything else.

The man has no clue or he is the most diabolical son of bitch going because he and his policies are destroying this country.

No one really knows where he came from or how the hell he got there and no one can tell us or is willing to.

This guy is the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.Bravo, bravissimo!!!!!!!!

[doctordog]

You'll have to take that up w/Wayers...he's the racist that posted the pic...

You can take it up with me anytime if you can proove that only one race of people eat watermelon.

The same goes for nooses, if you can prove that only certain races went through that experience.

Their is a big difference in what is actually racist and what is called out for racism.

In the case of this administration so far it has been every critical review has been called racism in an attempt by the left to avoid addressing the idiot they elected.

[disrupter]

and wayers57 lives in some alternate Universe that has no history.

Brain-dead.

It isn't all racism, most of it is treason.

[doctordog]

and wayers57 lives in some alternate Universe that has no history.

Brain-dead.

It isn't all racism, most of it is treason.

Get a life troll

[disrupter]

Climb out from under your bridge, bitch, LOL.

What are you doing down there anyway?

Molesting children or building bombs?

both!?! :noway:

[John Galt]

You can take it up with me anytime if you can proove that only one race of people eat watermelon.

The same goes for nooses, if you can prove that only certain races went through that experience.

Their is a big difference in what is actually racist and what is called out for racism.

In the case of this administration so far it has been every critical review has been called racism in an attempt by the left to avoid addressing the idiot they elected.
As I've already posted...every criticism of Obama, isn't a race issue.

But...it brings out the racists like yourself, who hide behind the "movement", while getting their shots in.


Own it....be proud of your heritage.

I'm sure you learned it from your parents.

[GetAClue]

The whole racist thing is being used by the left in an attempt to change the conversation away from the merits (or lack thereof) of some of the healthcare proposals by Obama and the liberals in Congress. And for about a week or so, it was working. It had a lot of conservatives defending anything and everything they said against a false charge of racism. That is EXACTLY what the White House wanted.

The problem for the White House now is that people are beginning to see that this thing was getting pretty silly. Most people are not as dumb as the left would hope they were. People are now beginning to return their attention to the healthcare issue and dismiss that whole racism charge.

Does that mean that there are not some on the right that oppose ANYTHING Obama does simply because he is black? Of course not, there will always be a few crackpots and extremists on every issue. But to label the entire opposition as racist does a disservice to the majority of his opponents and actually weakens his position.

If Obama and the left hope to pass anything resembling the bills that are now proposed, they would do well to refrain from labeling about one half of the country as racists. Here is hoping that Obama and the MSM continue to focus on racism and ignore reality.

[Binky]

Don't you think it's time to drop these tired old dumbass stereotypes of people? Who the F! cares if people like watermelon, pumpkin or sweet potato pie, or fried chicken? WHO CARES?

It's the people who keep these crappy notions and ugly connotations alive and well who are to blame. Because afterall, what is so F'ing bad about eating watermelon? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Hell, I eat it all the time. Fried okra too. So what!?!


Me too. I love watermelon. I love cantalope. Chicken and greens. What the heck.....those are just damn good foods. Pumpkin and sweet potato pies rock. They are the best...... Heaven forbid, little old me, a whitey, loves those foods. Yep, I'm a whitey. And I don't give a damn about what color someone is or isn't. I leave that negative stuff to others..... Who the heck cares what others eat, is right.

[John Galt]

The whole racist thing is being used by the left in an attempt to change the conversation away from the merits (or lack thereof) of some of the healthcare proposals by Obama and the liberals in Congress. And for about a week or so, it was working. It had a lot of conservatives defending anything and everything they said against a false charge of racism. That is EXACTLY what the White House wanted.

The problem for the White House now is that people are beginning to see that this thing was getting pretty silly. Most people are not as dumb as the left would hope they were. People are now beginning to return their attention to the healthcare issue and dismiss that whole racism charge.

Does that mean that there are not some on the right that oppose ANYTHING Obama does simply because he is black? Of course not, there will always be a few crackpots and extremists on every issue. But to label the entire opposition as racist does a disservice to the majority of his opponents and actually weakens his position.

If Obama and the left hope to pass anything resembling the bills that are now proposed, they would do well to refrain from labeling about one half of the country as racists. Here is hoping that Obama and the MSM continue to focus on racism and ignore reality.


Everyone on the right is opposing anything Obama does, because they need him to fail. Yes...some are doing it out of racial prejudice, but I'm thinking they are few.

You have to admit, though....there ain't many colored people on "that" side of the aisle.

I believe their constituents are comprised of quite a bit of racists, though.


And I have to disagree...many on the right who are opposed to this healthcare issue, are pretty damned stupid. Not because they oppose it....but because they're stupid. We witnessed the mentality during the interviews at the 2 million man march last week.

[GetAClue]

Everyone on the right is opposing anything Obama does, because they need him to fail. Yes...some are doing it out of racial prejudice, but I'm thinking they are few.

You have to admit, though....there ain't many colored people on "that" side of the aisle.

I believe their constituents are comprised of quite a bit of racists, though.


And I have to disagree...many on the right who are opposed to this healthcare issue, are pretty damned stupid. Not because they oppose it....but because they're stupid. We witnessed the mentality during the interviews at the 2 million man march last week.

If that is your belief, then so be it. I for one hope you maintain that belief. Anyone that goes into a confrontation believing that the opposition is less competent than they are, are most likely to loose said confrontation.

Here's hoping ALL liberals feel the way you do.

But back to reality, the contrary seems to make more sense. Most conservatives tend to view things from a logical perspective. Logic says that you cannot spend more and more money without having a serious adverse affect on the economy. It also becomes clear that in order to pay for something, one must get the money from somewhere. The most common target is the rich and corporate America. They both seem to have deep pockets.

However, what most liberals fail to realize is that the rich and the corporations are not restricted to doing business in this country. If we make it too expensive to do business here, they will simply move their assets to a country that is friendlier to them. Then who are you going to steal from (I mean tax)?

[disrupter]

GetAClue, get a clue, you dumb bitch,

CORPORATIONS DON'T PAY TAXES NOW,

they have Cayman Island PO Boxes, Dubai headquarters & shell corporations.

They are parasites profiting from American's infrastructure, paid for by American worker's taxes,
Corp(ses) are a bunch of vampire freeloaders.

[Captain Obvious]

GetAClue, get a clue, you dumb bitch,

CORPORATIONS DON'T PAY TAXES NOW,

they have Cayman Island PO Boxes, Dubai headquarters & shell corporations.

They are parasites profiting from American's infrastructure,
a bunch of vampire freeloaders.

Show some proof or shut the fuck up.

Any random dickhole can spew nonsense, that's all you seem to do.

[Bill Cosby]

Show some proof or shut the fuck up.

Any random dickhole can spew nonsense, that's all you seem to do.

That would also apply to your post here............. Take the foot out your mouth & Judge yourself as you do others.... :thumbsup:


So we can hold a lottery to see who goes to the doc this month like they do in Canada?

:D

[disrupter]

A shell corporation (aka International Business Corporations - IBCs -, Personal Investment Companies - PICs -, front companies or "mailbox" companies) is defined in Barron's Finance & Investment Handbook as "a company that is incorporated but has no significant assets or operations. Shell corporations are not in themselves illegal, and they may have legitimate business purposes. However, they are a main component of underground economy, especially those based in tax havens.

A classic tax evasion operation, called transfer pricing, is based on the
buying and selling through tax haven shell companies to disguise true profits. The firm does its international operations through this shell corporation, thus not having to report to its country the sums involved, avoiding any taxes. Oxfam International calculates that the flux of money flowing out from developing countries and deposited in tax havens at $50 billion a year - nearly the size of the $57 billion annual global aid budget, of which $35 billion is evaded by foreign corporations, often through transfer pricing .http://www.solarnavigator.net/venture_capital/shell_companies.htm

It is called
profit laundering,
used to evade lawfully owed taxes.

[John Galt]

However, what most liberals fail to realize is that the rich and the corporations are not restricted to doing business in this country. If we make it too expensive to do business here, they will simply move their assets to a country that is friendlier to them. Then who are you going to steal from (I mean tax)?
And most conservatives forgot that they forgot this premise for the last 8 years.

I suppose if the money is being funneled into your pocket, you don't mind govt. spending?

What troubles me, is the fact that the right wing tends to keep repeating the talking points that were proven wrong with Bushco.

"Tax cuts create jobs"...wanna illustrate that for me? The fact is, these wealthy are going to do their business elsewhwere anyway. It makes "good business sense". They don't care what happens as a result.

Bushco cut taxes for millionaires, while going on the biggest spending spree in history. If you can't spend what you don't take in, where was the right wing outrage for the last 8 years?


There's a thread running here, where teabaggers were interviewed during Beckfest. They're railing against Czars, but they don't even know what the hell a Czar is.

Forget the fact that Obama has no more/less than any others before him.

Your constituents are fed talking points, and they parrot them on cue.

I don't have to point out the litany of contradictions in the right wing agenda. I don't doubt that there is intelligence in the upper echelon of the republican ranks.

The ones you depend on for votes, are pretty fucking stupid.

[ROdger Right]

And most conservatives forgot that they forgot this premise for the last 8 years.

I suppose if the money is being funneled into your pocket, you don't mind govt. spending?

What troubles me, is the fact that the right wing tends to keep repeating the talking points that were proven wrong with Bushco.

"Tax cuts create jobs"...wanna illustrate that for me? The fact is, these wealthy are going to do their business elsewhwere anyway. It makes "good business sense". They don't care what happens as a result.

Bushco cut taxes for millionaires, while going on the biggest spending spree in history. If you can't spend what you don't take in, where was the right wing outrage for the last 8 years?


There's a thread running here, where teabaggers were interviewed during Beckfest. They're railing against Czars, but they don't even know what the hell a Czar is.

Forget the fact that Obama has no more/less than any other's before him.

Your constituents are fed talking points, and they parrot them on cue.

I don't have to point out the litany of contradictions in the right wing agenda. I don't doubt that there is intelligence in the upper echelon of the republican ranks.

The ones you depend on for votes, are pretty fucking stupid.

The fact that Bush had the lowest approval tarings means the whole right wing was behind him? Sounds pretty thin. Like some bullshit stacked as high as it can be stacked.

[disrupter]

Are You Paying For Corporate Fat Cats?
As you file your tax return this week, you may think you’re paying off the tax obligations for just your household. But

you’re also footing the bill for American companies that are dodging billions of dollars in taxes.

“Most major corporations have a tax department not just to comply with the tax code but also as a profit center,” says Charles Cray of the Center for Corporate Policy, a nonprofit watchdog group.

A 2004 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) study found that

61% of American corporations, including 39% of large companies, paid no corporate income taxes between 1996 and 2000. Last year, corporations shouldered just 14.4% of the total U.S. tax burden, compared with about 50% in 1940.

While companies are getting off easy, thanks to loopholes,

ordinary wage earners are getting stuck with the tab.
The tax burden on individuals is expected to climb from $1.16 trillion in 2007 to $1.21 trillion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), while corporate tax receipts are expected to decline from $370 billion to $364 billion. By 2013, the CBO estimates, ordinary taxpayers’ bills may climb to $1.86 trillion while corporate tax bills drop to $327 billion.

One strategy of corporations is to create “shell companies” in places like Bermuda, Gibraltar and the Caribbean to avoid federal taxes. Corporations “set up an offshore division that has nothing more than a post office box,” says Rep. Richard
E. Neal (D., Mass.), the chairman of a House subcommittee probing tax breaks. Experts estimate that

the U.S. Treasury may be losing up to $100 billion a year due to shell corporations.

In one recent case, KBR—a former Halliburton subsidiary and the largest Iraq war contractor—admitted to “reducing tax obligations” through two Cayman Islands divisions, reportedly avoiding hundreds of millions of dollars in Medicare and Social Security taxes. A 2004 study by the GAO found that 24 of the largest federal contractors used Cayman Is*lands units to shave their tax bills.

Oil and other multinational companies also benefit from tax breaks, some specially written for them. Most are perfectly legitimate, but companies sometimes push the envelope too far. Pharmaceutical giant Merck paid $2.3 billion to the government last year for profits related to a Bermuda partnership.

In their defense, businesses say that U.S. corporate tax rates are the second highest in the developed world, making our country less competitive. But a study from the nonprofit group Citizens for Tax Justice found that, because of loopholes, the corporate tax burden in the U.S. is actually the world’s third lowest when measured as a percentage of gross domestic product.

Efforts to change the system are under way. In February, the House of Representatives passed a bill to end $18 billion in tax breaks for oil companies, and Rep. Charles Rangel (D., N.Y.), head of the House Ways and Means Committee, has introduced legislation to trim corporate tax rates while reducing loopholes.http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/editon_04-13-2008/Intelligence_Report

you getting the picture, Captain Oblivious?

[John Galt]

The fact that Bush had the lowest approval tarings means the whole right wing was behind him? Sounds pretty thin. Like some bullshit stacked as high as it can be stacked.
I don't know what tarings are, but I don't remember the Beckfests during Bushco's spending spree.

Where did all of these people come from, and where were they when Dubyah was breaking all kinds of deficit spending records?

[Captain Obvious]

http://www.solarnavigator.net/venture_capital/shell_companies.htm

It is called
profit laundering,
used to evade lawfully owed taxes.

Do you fucking understand any of this?

Do you know difference between tax evasion and not paying tax?

You stated that corporations don't pay taxes. Blanket fucking statement. I called you out on it and you post this shit.

Took you a while to fucking google it.

I had this same argument with Cosby - you can't fucking cherry pick the outlier and extrapolate it as true for the entire population.

If they break the law, they should pay the price. I don't disagree with that, but let's get back to the point.

Explain to me how corporations don't pay taxes.

[John Galt]

If they break the law, they should pay the price. I don't disagree with that, but let's get back to the point.

Explain to me how corporations don't pay taxes.
They aren't breaking the law.

Therein lies the problem

[nobull]

If that is your belief, then so be it. I for one hope you maintain that belief. Anyone that goes into a confrontation believing that the opposition is less competent than they are, are most likely to loose said confrontation.

Here's hoping ALL liberals feel the way you do.

But back to reality, the contrary seems to make more sense. Most conservatives tend to view things from a logical perspective. Logic says that you cannot spend more and more money without having a serious adverse affect on the economy. It also becomes clear that in order to pay for something, one must get the money from somewhere. The most common target is the rich and corporate America. They both seem to have deep pockets.

However, what most liberals fail to realize is that the rich and the corporations are not restricted to doing business in this country. If we make it too expensive to do business here, they will simply move their assets to a country that is friendlier to them. Then who are you going to steal from (I mean tax)?

There's no doubt that tax fraud and closing loopholes needs immediate attention. Perhaps if corporations actually started paying what they're supposed to, the bulk of taxes wouldn't have to come from individuals.

Most Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax
GAO Study Also Finds 68% Of Foreign Companies
In U.S. Avoid Corporate Taxes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/12/national/main4342535.shtml

[nobull]

Show some proof or shut the fuck up.

Any random dickhole can spew nonsense, that's all you seem to do.

Without even knowing Disrupter was on the same wave length as me, I just posted your proof.

Now why don't you see if you can post something that sounds like its coming from an adult for a change and omit your crude language. With your mouth, the only thing you'd qualify to "captain" is a sewer barge.

[Bill Cosby]

They aren't breaking the law.

Therein lies the problem

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

EXACTLY....

The rich corp's pay-bribe-prostitute to have laws drawn to suit them, by their friends in office.........

The rest of us can't do shit........

[nobull]

Do you fucking understand any of this?

Do you know difference between tax evasion and not paying tax?

You stated that corporations don't pay taxes. Blanket fucking statement. I called you out on it and you post this shit.

Took you a while to fucking google it.

I had this same argument with Cosby - you can't fucking cherry pick the outlier and extrapolate it as true for the entire population.

If they break the law, they should pay the price. I don't disagree with that, but let's get back to the point.

Explain to me how corporations don't pay taxes.

I had to fix your post before I could understand it. How much more proof would you like? Tax evasion isn't just done by corporations, individuals also rip off the Treasury by billions.

Tax Evasion Nation
http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=465

[Captain Obvious]

I had to fix your post before I could understand it. How much more proof would you like? Tax evasion isn't just done by corporations, individuals also rip off the Treasury by billions.

Tax Evasion Nation
http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=465

You missed the fucking point, now run along.

[Captain Obvious]

They aren't breaking the law.

Therein lies the problem

Explain how.

Give examples.

Tax evasion is breaking the law.

[nobull]

You missed the fucking point, now run along.

What was the point, child? Do you have one other than the one on top of your head? :hammer:

[Captain Obvious]

What was the point, child? Do you have one other than the one on top of your head? :hammer:

You are an idiot, incapable of rational discussion.

Fuck off.

[ROdger Right]

I don't know what tarings are, but I don't remember the Beckfests during Bushco's spending spree.

Where did all of these people come from, and where were they when Dubyah was breaking all kinds of deficit spending records?

400 billion-2 wars- tax breaks for many. What we recieved yearly or so.
Until the bank bailout of 750 which I assume took it up to 1.2 trillion.
Managable by all accounts even if it was terrible, America can survive terrible presidents, because we give them a limited amount of power and control to make things better or worse.

Obama throws up trillions as long as hes elected.
Maybe most people didn't expect the republicans to act the way they did. but they sure are now and rightly so with the take over or plans to take over many industries across the board.
Theres never been more than a few zcars ever. Now we have 30+.
The line is being drawn

[John Galt]

Explain how.

Give examples.

Tax evasion is breaking the law.
If you aren't reading along, I'm not going to waste any time. You've been given data that supports a well know fact.

Wealthy people...even those who hold high political positions...hide money overseas.

This is legal, and accepted in this country. It's called wealth redistribution. The wealthy take the money they earned on Wall St., through (what should be) illegal means, and stash it safely away overseas.


We've heard a lot about this wealth redistribution in the last 9 months. I'm surprised you weren't aware.

[John Galt]

400 billion-2 wars- tax breaks for many. What we recieved yearly or so.
Until the bank bailout of 750 which I assume took it up to 1.2 trillion.
Managable by all accounts even if it was terrible, America can survive terrible presidents, because we give them a limited amount of power and control to make things better or worse.

Obama throws up trillions as long as hes elected.
Maybe most people didn't expect the republicans to act the way they did. but they sure are now and rightly so with the take over or plans to take over many industries across the board.
Theres never been more than a few zcars ever. Now we have 30+.
The line is being drawn
You're making stuff up. Push the google button, and see how many czars Dubyah had.

[Captain Obvious]

If you aren't reading along, I'm not going to waste any time. You've been given data that supports a well know fact.

Wealthy people...even those who hold high political positions...hide money overseas.

This is legal, and accepted in this country. It's called wealth redistribution. The wealthy take the money they earned on Wall St., through (what should be) illegal means, and stash it safely away overseas.


We've heard a lot about this wealth redistribution in the last 9 months. I'm surprised you weren't aware.

Great..... now back on topic.

How do corporations not pay taxes.

[Cookie]

You're making stuff up. Push the google button, and see how many czars Dubyah had.


I didn't google it, but I know Bush had some Czars. The difference was those Czars weren't Marxist, Socialist idealogues, or thugs from the Chicago political machine.

Obama's Czars have not been vetted, because if they were, there is no way the public would have allowed them to keep such powerful positions.

It will all come out eventually, as there are people on the right who are examining the ties these powerful people have in the Obama administration. So don't cry foul, because the left would be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed.
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[Captain Obvious]

If you aren't reading along, I'm not going to waste any time. You've been given data that supports a well know fact.

Wealthy people...even those who hold high political positions...hide money overseas.

This is legal, and accepted in this country. It's called wealth redistribution. The wealthy take the money they earned on Wall St., through (what should be) illegal means, and stash it safely away overseas.


We've heard a lot about this wealth redistribution in the last 9 months. I'm surprised you weren't aware.

Back off topic for a second.

Hiding untaxed earnings overseas is tax evasion and illegal.

The IRS is currently working with swiss banks btw to release this secretive data and has a sort of amnesty program running for these offshore holding so that if they are reported now, they won't be criminally prosecuted.

Still not the topic at hand, but I just wanted you to be aware of this.

Consider yourself educated.

[Bill Cosby]

I didn't google it, but I know Bush had some Czars. The difference was those Czars weren't Marxist, Socialist idealogues, or thugs from the Chicago political machine.

Obama's Czars have not been vetted, because if they were, there is no way the public would have allowed them to keep such powerful positions.

It will all come out eventually, as there are people on the right who are examining the ties these powerful people have in the Obama administration. So don't cry foul, because the left would be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed.

So all czars are created equally.......... Just that some are more equal then others.....

So do you agree or not about Presidents appointing ppl to be czars??

[ROdger Right]

You're making stuff up. Push the google button, and see how many czars Dubyah had.

Well half a year is different to 8 years.
To many I would agree to that.
A trend that needs to stop right now yes.

[John Galt]

Back off topic for a second.

Hiding untaxed earnings overseas is tax evasion and illegal.

The IRS is currently working with swiss banks btw to release this secretive data and has a sort of amnesty program running for these offshore holding so that if they are reported now, they won't be criminally prosecuted.

Still not the topic at hand, but I just wanted you to be aware of this.

Consider yourself educated.
Yea...O.K. If you even read any of these threads, you'd realize that you aren't even in the same zipcode as the thread topic.

But you just keep speed posting. Maybe someday you'll outpost Eman.


Offshore accounts are not illegal. Educate yourself for a change.




Great..... now back on topic.

How do corporations not pay taxes


Start a thread, and maybe I'll waste some time educating you. We're on a different discussion here.

[Captain Obvious]

Yea...O.K. If you even read any of these threads, you'd realize that you aren't even in the same zipcode as the thread topic.

But you just keep speed posting. Maybe someday you'll outpost Eman.


Offshore accounts are not illegal. Educate yourself for a change.







Start a thread, and maybe I'll waste some time educating you. We're on a different discussion here.

Hey Galt, why don't you

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/eastms/readthamuthafuckinthread.gif

I used the term "untaxed earnings" for a reason, you fucking spaz.

As far as corporations not paying taxes, I'll take your reply as a fucking unconditional act of surrender.

Smartest fucking decision you made all month.

[MintJulep]

Hey Galt, why don't you

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/eastms/readthamuthafuckinthread.gif

.Now THAT is fuck'n funny!

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

Yea...O.K. If you even read any of these threads, you'd realize that you aren't even in the same zipcode as the thread topic.

But you just keep speed posting. Maybe someday you'll outpost Eman.


Offshore accounts are not illegal. Educate yourself for a change.







Start a thread, and maybe I'll waste some time educating you. We're on a different discussion here.LOL!...You little liberal morons from the graveyard think speed-posting a large number of posts is something special?

Oh my god!...LOL!...How fucking rediculous...Smurf, you gotta get in here and see this...You ain't gonna believe this teeny bopper shit.

You know that shit that stupid fucking Eman from the graveyard has going on?...Those idiots are just trying to rack up big post numbers...Content means nothing.

Get rid of these stupid fucks....I knew there was something wrong with these dumbasses.

The moron here just let it slip out...Eman has over 1100 posts in one month...This is the ultimate spam.

[MintJulep]

Hey Galt, why don't you

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/eastms/readthamuthafuckinthread.gif

I used the term "untaxed earnings" for a reason, you fucking spaz.

As far as corporations not paying taxes, I'll take your reply as a fucking unconditional act of surrender.

Smartest fucking decision you made all month.I STILL can't get over this one. This is post of the month. Funniest thing I've seen on this board EVER. :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Cookie]

Offshore accounts are not illegal. Educate yourself for a change.




What is illegal is not reporting the money one has in an offshore account to the IRS. You can have it there, but you must report it if you do.
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[Cookie]

LOL!...You little liberal morons from the graveyard think speed-posting a large number of posts is something special?

Oh my god!...LOL!...How fucking rediculous...Smurf, you gotta get in here and see this...You ain't gonna believe this teeny bopper shit.

You know that shit that stupid fucking Eman from the graveyard has going on?...Those idiots are just trying to rack up big post numbers...Content means nothing.

Get rid of these stupid fucks....I knew there was something wrong with these dumbasses.

The moron here just let it slip out...Eman has over 1100 posts in one month...This is the ultimate spam.

My understanding is some people get paid for the number of posts they have. I am not one of those people.
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[Hog Trash]

My understanding is some people get paid for the number of posts they have. I am not one of those people.Who pays them and why? :confused:

[John Galt]

I STILL can't get over this one. This is post of the month. Funniest thing I've seen on this board EVER. :lmao2: :lmao2:
I agree...it's funny, and ironic at the same time.

[John Galt]

What is illegal is not reporting the money one has in an offshore account to the IRS. You can have it there, but you must report it if you do.
Actually, the tax must be paid once the money makes its way into the US.

If a corp./person has international dealings, and uses the money from these accts, no taxes will ever be paid.
As well, there is an "art" to getting the money into the US, without taxation...THAT, is illegal.

It isn't illegal to have offshore accounts....although it should be.

These accounts aren't the only way corporations avoid taxation, though.

[Binky]

Why should anyone care how many posts a thread is doing? That's just ridiculous. Who the heck cares???????:banghead:

[John Galt]

Why should anyone care how many posts a thread is doing? That's just ridiculous. Who the heck cares???????:banghead:
Wait a minute....aren't you and Eman a "thang"?:lmao2:

Wait a couple of months...he'll hit the 20G mark before you know it.

[xav8terx]

I didn't google it, but I know Bush had some Czars. The difference was those Czars weren't Marxist, Socialist idealogues, or thugs from the Chicago political machine.
Obama's Czars have not been vetted, because if they were, there is no way the public would have allowed them to keep such powerful positions.

It will all come out eventually, as there are people on the right who are examining the ties these powerful people have in the Obama administration. So don't cry foul, because the left would be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed.


No they weren't. They were bible thumping, conservative, right wing cronies...the kind you like so much so it was ok then. Just like the spending, taxing for wars, debt, failures, natural disasters...oh yeah, but Obama is far worse. :talktothehand:

[Cookie]

Who pays them and why? :confused:

Hog, I don't know who pays them. Why they are paid is probably to represent a certain point of view on a message board, but I'm just guessing.
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[Cookie]

Actually, the tax must be paid once the money makes its way into the US.

If a corp./person has international dealings, and uses the money from these accts, no taxes will ever be paid.
As well, there is an "art" to getting the money into the US, without taxation...THAT, is illegal.

It isn't illegal to have offshore accounts....although it should be.

These accounts aren't the only way corporations avoid taxation, though.

You still have to report whether you have money in an offshore account. It's one of the questions you are asked when you are preparing your taxes.
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[Cookie]

No they weren't. They were bible thumping, conservative, right wing cronies...the kind you like so much so it was ok then. Just like the spending, taxing for wars, debt, failures, natural disasters...oh yeah, but Obama is far worse. :talktothehand:

Yes Obama is far worse. But since you aren't yet convinced, just wait a little while longer. You'll see it for yourself.
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[xav8terx]

Yes Obama is far worse. But since you aren't yet convinced, just wait a little while longer. You'll see it for yourself.


How so? What is he going to do? Start two wars? Forget about a drowning city? Name a failed economic policy after himself? Steal secrets from the RNC's headquarters?

[doctordog]

How so? What is he going to do? Start two wars? Forget about a drowning city? Name a failed economic policy after himself? Steal secrets from the RNC's headquarters?

He is going to lose two wars, and forget about a drowning country.

[xav8terx]

He is going to lose two wars, and forget about a drowning country.

We're talking about Obama not Bush...try to keep up.

[Cookie]

How so? What is he going to do? Start two wars? Forget about a drowning city? Name a failed economic policy after himself? Steal secrets from the RNC's headquarters?

God only knows.
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[John Galt]

You still have to report whether you have money in an offshore account. It's one of the questions you are asked when you are preparing your taxes.
Yes...and you have to report all cash that you earned too....ya think everyone does?

I'm not defending the practice...I'm just pointing out that it is legal, and it is common.

How people skirt the minutia, is a whole other story.

[doctordog]

We're talking about Obama not Bush...try to keep up.

I realize that and he will lose two wars and forget about the country.

[GetAClue]

Yes...and you have to report all cash that you earned too....ya think everyone does?

I'm not defending the practice...I'm just pointing out that it is legal, and it is common.
How people skirt the minutia, is a whole other story.
Especially amongst liberal members of congress. :thumbsup:

[xav8terx]

God only knows.

But yet you and the rest of your party seem to think that you do know? So is it just your paranoia?

[Cookie]

Yes...and you have to report all cash that you earned too....ya think everyone does?

I'm not defending the practice...I'm just pointing out that it is legal, and it is common.

How people skirt the minutia, is a whole other story.


I think very few people report it; doesn't make it right. But I also think
Americans are fed up with paying so many taxes, and if they can sock it
away overseas, they will to avoid paying even more taxes. This trend,
if not stopped, will only get worse under the forthcoming policies of Obama.
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[Cookie]

But yet you and the rest of your party seem to think that you do know? So is it just your paranoia?


Not paranoia, visions of things to come.....


We haven't totally devalued our currency yet,

We haven't stood by and let Iran/Russia fire
missles at Israel,

China hasn't called in their loans yet,

We haven't had more terrorist attacks in the US
cities etc. yet,

We haven't sufficiently weakened our national defense yet,

....need I say more?
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[xav8terx]

Not paranoia, visions of things to come.....


We haven't totally devalued our currency yet,

We haven't stood by and let Iran/Russia fire
missles at Israel,

China hasn't called in their loans yet,

We haven't had more terrorist attacks in the US
cities etc. yet,

We haven't sufficiently weakened our national defense yet,

....need I say more?



Visions??? Do you hear voices as well? So none of the above has been done yet? So where does Obama's future failure come from?

[Cookie]

Especially amongst liberal members of congress. :thumbsup:

Oh, you mean the guy who only reported half of his net worth and assets?

That guy? What was his name......I think he's a rather vocal democrat.:lmao2:
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[Cookie]

Visions??? Do you hear voices as well? So none of the above has been done yet? So where does Obama's future failure come from?


Any one or all of the above. Things are bound to get worse, because Mr. Obama keeps piling on. He has no idea how to get us out of this deficit mess.

Also, his foreign policy is weak.
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[xav8terx]

Any one or all of the above. Things are bound to get worse, because Mr. Obama keeps piling on. He has no idea how to get us out of this deficit mess.

Also, his foreign policy is weak.

That’s just it though. Your feelings are based on just that...your feeling. Where are some examples of his failures...in 8 short months...that can be pinned completely on him not inherited? Bush fucked up for 8 years, left the pile for the next guy to clean up and that all got a pass and was worshiped by the right.

[doctordog]

That’s just it though. Your feelings are based on just that...your feeling. Where are some examples of his failures...in 8 short months...that can be pinned completely on him not inherited? Bush fucked up for 8 years, left the pile for the next guy to clean up and that all got a pass and was worshiped by the right.

Unemployment went up 2.1%, no other President in the last 20 years has seen that happen in 8 months.

[John Galt]

I think very few people report it; doesn't make it right. But I also think
Americans are fed up with paying so many taxes, and if they can sock it
away overseas, they will to avoid paying even more taxes. This trend,
if not stopped, will only get worse under the forthcoming policies of Obama.
Americans...especially the wealthiest, are still enjoying the Bush handouts. Still, we saw the spread of this offshore banking during this period.

If you're suggesting that those poor, overtaxed millionaires will be doing this because of any future tax hikes, why were they doing it already?

Humans are greedy by nature, and they'll look for any loophole to keep what they have.

Corporations are the best at it.

I believe Obama will be the one that puts an end to it. If you think that's a good thing, you won't be echoing the position of many in your party.

[xav8terx]

Unemployment went up 2.1%, no other President in the last 20 years has seen that happen in 8 months.

Hmmm...i guess you still don't understand cause and effect.

[doctordog]

Hmmm...i guess you still don't understand cause and effect.

I guess you don't understand bad management, strategic planning and implementation.

[xav8terx]

I guess you don't understand bad management, strategic planning and implementation.


Oh i completely understand...hell the last 8 years didnt teach you, nothing will.

[doctordog]

Oh i completely understand...hell the last 8 years didnt teach you, nothing will.

I wasn't having any issues until November of 08', now I have an idiot destroying my healthcare, trying to implement higher energy cost, rewarding people for bad principles and practices.

[xav8terx]

I wasn't having any issues until November of 08', now I have an idiot destroying my healthcare, trying to implement higher energy cost, rewarding people for bad principles and practices.



Yep, America put a black man in office so NOW theres a problem.

[doctordog]

Yep, America put a black man in office so NOW theres a problem.

An unqualified black man, we are seeing the results now.

[xav8terx]

An unqualified black man, we are seeing the results now.


We are seeing the results of the previous bullshit.

[Seraphim]

An unqualified black man, we are seeing the results now.

What makes him any less qualified than his predecessors?

[doctordog]

What makes him any less qualified than his predecessors?

He was a junior senator with no executive experience

he lied about using public financing after the primary and then funneled money money though man large law firms in the US.

His outragous spending that will put our great grandkids in debt.

If the economy is so bad, why did he need a new limo, helicopter, and plane?

He has no economic sense as demonstrated by his actions.

[Bill Cosby]

An unqualified black man, we are seeing the results now.

"Qualified"....... What does that mean exactly???

How qualified was Kennedy or Truman??? Ford???

Hell NiXon was prob the most qualified & see how that turned out....... Johnson had an awesome resume....

He may be under qualified by some standard but me & beck know he was better than that other choice.......... :lmao2: :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

"Qualified"....... What does that mean exactly???

How qualified was Kennedy or Truman??? Ford???

Hell NiXon was prob the most qualified & see how that turned out....... Johnson had an awesome resume....

He may be under qualified by some standard but me & beck know he was better than that other choice.......... :lmao2: :lmao2:He is the most unqualified in history.

[Cookie]

Americans...especially the wealthiest, are still enjoying the Bush handouts. Still, we saw the spread of this offshore banking during this period.

If you're suggesting that those poor, overtaxed millionaires will be doing this because of any future tax hikes, why were they doing it already?

Humans are greedy by nature, and they'll look for any loophole to keep what they have.

Corporations are the best at it.

I believe Obama will be the one that puts an end to it. If you think that's a good thing, you won't be echoing the position of many in your party.


As I wrote earlier, Americans are fed up with paying so many taxes, corporations too. This isn't unique to Obama's admin; it has been a concern for many years.

Statistics show that whenever taxes increase, the rich, having the most options to engage in tax avoidance, will figure out new ways to avoid paying taxes. Many of them have law firms on retainers just for this purpose.

So if Obama raises taxes on those evil greedy rich people and corporations, guess what. They will just find other ways to either pass the cost along to the consumer, or to avoid paying it in the first place.

How do you think the tax code became so enornous and complex?
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[Bill Cosby]

He is the most unqualified in history.

I think Truman was.........:thumbsup:

[SeniorChief]

An unqualified black man.....

Governor Patterson?

Governor of New Orleans when Katrina rolled in... the guy who headed for Florida/blamed Bush?

Those?

[Bill Cosby]

As I wrote earlier, Americans are fed up with paying so many taxes, corporations too. This isn't unique to Obama's admin; it has been a concern for many years.

Statistics show that whenever taxes increase, the rich, having the most options to engage in tax avoidance, will figure out new ways to avoid paying taxes. Many of them have law firms on retainers just for this purpose.

So if Obama raises taxes on those evil greedy rich people and corporations, guess what. They will just find other ways to either pass the cost along to the consumer, or to avoid paying it in the first place.

How do you think the tax code became so enornous and complex?

Well put..... :thumbsup:

I think most ppl dont' liek paying taxes & given human nature it will always be a game of avoidance....

But I think historically our taxes are not really that bad........ Especially considering what they are spending...

[ROdger Right]

Well put..... :thumbsup:

I think most ppl dont' liek paying taxes & given human nature it will always be a game of avoidance....

But I think historically our taxes are not really that bad........ Especially considering what they are spending...

Historically speaking we haven't spent this much and have no way to pay for it so im sure taxes can only get worse.

[Environment Man]

Loving it.

I don't want to be qualified for anything.

I just use my 'race card' and affirmative action to get what I want.

Housing, cars, food....even money. Women too. White women.

Sit around all day and be as dumb as a stick. Unqualified for anything.

And then play my race card and affirmative action to get, well, even the presidency.

Cause you don't have to be 'qualified' if you have a race card and depend on affirmative action.

I love America.

Where the black man has used the race card to be the dominant race in America and around the world.

Affirmative action is as powerful as a hydrogen bomb.

Black folks own everything in America because of the race card and affirmative action.

And they got this dominance by doing NOTHING, except playing the race card and using affirmative action.

[Seraphim]

He was a junior senator with no executive experience

he lied about using public financing after the primary and then funneled money money though man large law firms in the US.

His outragous spending that will put our great grandkids in debt.

If the economy is so bad, why did he need a new limo, helicopter, and plane?

He has no economic sense as demonstrated by his actions.

New limo, plane, and chopper? Wow. I need to stop turing the news off. I had no idea. Are we talking new Air Force and Marine One? That's $$$$$$$