Why don't we see some of the 47,000,000 protesting for healthcare???

[Bill Cosby]

Anyone else wondering???

Seems to me if even a fraction showed up & started protesting this thing would be a slam dunk???

I don't understand why we are not hearing/seeing them hitting the streets???

Why the hell should I care if they don't???? I got care....

[doctordog]

It is probably the same reason many of them don't have healthcare, they are even to lazy to protest.:banghead:

[MintJulep]

It is probably the same reason many of them don't have healthcare, they are even to lazy to protest.:banghead:Damn, you took the words right out of my mouth.

That's EXACTLY why.

[CosmicRocker]

Anyone else wondering???

Seems to me if even a fraction showed up & started protesting this thing would be a slam dunk???

I don't understand why we are not hearing/seeing them hitting the streets???

Why the hell should I care if they don't???? I got care....

good question. the left was always so good at demonstrations.
Maybe because they are "the establishment " now, and it's easier to get ppl riled up for "anti" rallies.

[Bill Cosby]

I don't think 47,000,000 are all just to lazy... A large portion of that is children as well............

Nonetheless I gotta say even on our boards I see little to none.........

S-H & Eman......... Were is the support???

Many others as well......

I hear them say they have no care & I don't see them posting about it........ A few mentions but where is the passion.........???

Where is the concern?? If not for yourself your kids???

They would appear apathetic & I do not see why........???

We (for & against) are more passionate about the issue then those who would be directly benefiting??? WTF???

I want them to have care like the other industrialized nations do... If they don't GAF I don't know why I should.............

If I don't see some passion soon I am not gonna make HC a priority of mine w/ so many trees & whales needing to be saved........ :p

:(

[foxbaron]

They don't have to protest they already have health care, its called the emergency room.

[MintJulep]

I don't think 47,000,000 are all just to lazy...
:(But that's not the real number......

Why do you keep repeating it?

[bairdi]

Anyone else wondering???

Seems to me if even a fraction showed up & started protesting this thing would be a slam dunk???

I don't understand why we are not hearing/seeing them hitting the streets???

Why the hell should I care if they don't???? I got care....
They are not hitting the streets, but many are taking action behind the scenes through e-mail alerts, writing congress members and working on the local levels to support comprehensive health care reform.



17 Sep 2009 07:38 am
Bush Hatred, Obama Hatred

A reader writes:

After September 11th, Bush's approval ratings were near or above 90%. Practically the entire country was behind him - saluting and ready for duty. Yes, the Left did try to derail his plans for Iraq - but they failed. And when millions (actual millions) of Americans came out to protest that war - - it was largely ignored by the media. But when 70,000 lunatics came to DC last week to protest "Government Spending" (which, let's be honest, is a euphemism for "Barack Hussein Obama") - they got massive amounts of media coverage and hours of pundit commentary.

Every tea-party rally has been aggressively championed, and all-but-sponsored, by cable-news giant FOX. CODE PINK was almost completely ignored (which, as a liberal, I'm kinda glad about -- but I still stand behind my larger point). A couple went to a Bush rally wearing anti-Bush T-Shirts and got arrested. Guys standing outside Obama rallies openly carry guns and get interviewed by the media.

The heaviest hitters in the Republican party, and in the conservative media have loudly and proudly called for Obama's failure. Liberals who even softly criticized Bush were roundly shamed and called terrorist-loving-America-haters. George W. Bush, despite the controversial beginning of his presidency, was given the chance - - no, in fact, after 9/11, he was given all the unopposed freedom in the world to succeed or fail based upon his own decisions and his own performance. Bush EARNED his hatred.

Obama has not had that luxury.

He also does not have the luxury of the Clinton inheritance. He was left with a steaming pile of doo-doo and a debt already in the stratosphere. And yet they also blame him for that.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/bush-hatred-obama-hatred.html#more

[Bill Cosby]

Sorry that is not enough... I don't care or GUF how tuff fox or beck or the entertainer is.... I don't care if they sell trillions of tee shirts...

Vietnam war was fought in the streets not the mail.... Every tv network (you had three choices) was pro war. That was @ least in part what got Cronkite to finally say something.. & many others to start questioning just what the hell we were doing...

From the bottom up------>>> The ppl, not the tv ppl or the government but the ppl put an end to this. Against all odd & history...

Now days they @ least have help....

If they don't bring it to the street they gonna be bring it to the cleaners cause if things don't change they aint getting shit....

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Anyone else wondering???

Seems to me if even a fraction showed up & started protesting this thing would be a slam dunk???

I don't understand why we are not hearing/seeing them hitting the streets???

Why the hell should I care if they don't???? I got care....
poll after poll after poll that ISNT skewed to a heavily conservative bent says they are out there, Lord only knows why they have not organized more but it may be too little too late...the Baucus bill is a complete joke and i dont think any others will be much better. Both parties are in bed with and in the back pockets of insurance lobbyists.

[bairdi]

Sorry that is not enough... I don't care or GUF how tuff fox or beck or the entertainer is.... I don't care if they sell trillions of tee shirts...

Vietnam war was fought in the streets not the mail.... Every tv network (you had three choices) was pro war. That was @ least in part what got Cronkite to finally say something.. & many others to start questioning just what the hell we were doing...

From the bottom up------>>> The ppl, not the tv ppl or the government but the ppl put an end to this. Against all odd & history...

Now days they @ least have help....

If they don't bring it to the street they gonna be bring it to the cleaners cause if things don't change they aint getting shit....
I can't say that I disagree with you Bill. Nothing would please me more than to see a counter demonstration in DC.

[Moby]

It is probably the same reason many of them don't have healthcare, they are even to lazy to protest.:banghead:
Now you're calling Smurf lazy? What an Ass Hat.

[Moby]

But that's not the real number......

Why do you keep repeating it?
What is the real number?

[doctordog]

Now you're calling Smurf lazy? What an Ass Hat.

I didn't see Smurf in my post, you must be without your glasses again old man.:hi:

[Bill Cosby]

Damn, you took the words right out of my mouth.

That's EXACTLY why.

Minty is back................. :banana: :happy: :yay: :D

[Bill Cosby]

I didn't see Smurf in my post, you must be without your glasses again old man.:hi:

You know what he meant... You are saying everyone w/out care is lazy...

Eman has asthma & his laZy ass can out post you 10 to 1 (me to.. :o )

& S-H works his ass off.......... I know lots of others that lost their jobs & care......... They aint fucking lazy either......

[MintJulep]

Minty is back................. :banana: :yay: :DYes, thx to SirMoby I am me again. :lmao2:

[doctordog]

You know what he meant... You are saying everyone w/out care is lazy...

Eman has asthma & his laZy ass can out post you 10 to 1 (me to.. :o )

& S-H works his ass off.......... I know lots of others that lost their jobs & care......... They aint fucking lazy either......

Yeah and he knows what I mean most the time, the fucking post says "many" not all.
I never mentioned either of them and shame on you for trying to say I did, another fucking liberal ploy. You guys are worse than anything you accuse Fox news of doing for pulling this shit. Lying motherfuckers.

[Bill Cosby]

LOL............ As you should be.....http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/holymusic55/Holidays%20and%20Special%20Occasions/Love%20and%20Romance/SmileyKissLove.gif

[Bill Cosby]

Yeah and he knows what I mean most the time, the fucking post says "many" not all.
I never mentioned either of them and shame on you for trying to say I did, another fucking liberal ploy. You guys are worse than anything you accuse Fox news of doing for pulling this shit. Lying motherfuckers.

So then there are exceptions.... Not everyone w/out care is fatassed lazy or a drunk..........

Some ppl are actually decent & hard working???

:thumbsup:

[doctordog]

So then there are exceptions.... Not everyone w/out are is fatassed lazy or a drunk..........

Some ppl are actually decent & hard working???

:thumbsup:

I stated many, not all. I never thought you would turn that way.

[Bill Cosby]

I stated many, not all. I never thought you would turn that way.

You did say many....

""""It is probably the same reason many of them don't have healthcare, they are even to lazy to protest.:banghead: """"

I meant to say imply everyone but no matter....:o

So in one post or thread I have turned what way???

I am going fishing in the AM so lets hurry here... :thumbsup:

[doctordog]

You did say many....

""""It is probably the same reason many of them don't have healthcare, they are even to lazy to protest.:banghead: """"

I meant to say imply everyone but no matter....:o

So in one post or thread I have turned what way???

I am going fishing in the AM so lets hurry here... :thumbsup:

Have a good time and bring back a big fishing story:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

Have a good time and bring back a big fishing story:thumbsup:

I will.............. SactO delta.... & I will sleep on the boat out.,...lol

[kres24GT]

A lot of people choose to be uninsured Bill, why would they protest their own choice?

[Bill Cosby]

A lot of people choose to be uninsured Bill, why would they protest their own choice?

Some make that choice, some are kids & some loose their jobs & yada, yada yda..... Out of 47,000,000 there should be lots of noise IMO... LOTZ!!!!!

[Bill Cosby]

Have a good time and bring back a big fishing story:thumbsup:

We only caught two one in about ten mins & the other about an hour later...... We trolled around for five hours.... It was hot & not windy.... Usually it is very windy there...

We call them stripers here........

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[doctordog]

We only caught two one in about ten mins & the other about an hour later...... We trolled around for five hours.... It was hot & not windy.... Usually it is very windy there...

We call them stripers here........

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that is what they call them here too, groups of them hit minnow pods just a few inches under the surface making it look like a feeding frenzy at the surface, cast in the middle with a shyster and you catch one almost every time.

[Bill Cosby]

that is what they call them here too, groups of them hit minnow pods just a few inches under the surface making it look like a feeding frenzy at the surface, cast in the middle with a shyster and you catch one almost every time.

LOL.......... Exactly what was happening just before dawn... When we were launching the little bait fish were jumping out of the way....

They are not native here but have a run up from the ocean...... Water is brackish to very brackish... & they go up about 50 or so miles in fresh water...

The sea lions fallow them & the salmon up.... None today but last week on the San Joaquin (the second river of Californian -the rest are hardly real rivers) they were all over the place stealing caught fish...

They just fish the fisherman......... (fat lazy bastards... :lmao2: )

Sea lions along Sacramento River blamed for salmon decline
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By Matt Weiser
mweiser@sacbee.com
Published: Friday, Jan. 2, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 10A (http://www.sacbee.com/1268/story/1511636.html)

Ask a Sacramento angler for reasons why Central Valley salmon populations have crashed over the past two years, and this is likely to be high on the list:

"Dozens of sea lions that live between Rio Vista and Verona year-round," said Sacramento fisherman Terry Horst. "That's a major problem because they eat tons of fish a day."

Scientific brain power has been applied in thick doses to many aspects of the alarming fish declines in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta – from weather patterns to water pollution. No one with a science degree, however, has had anything to say about sea lions.

Now Mark Dendy, a professor of biology and natural resources at American River College, has produced a survey of the Delta sea lion population. And, yes, there are resident sea lions, though not nearly as many as fishermen think.

According to Dendy, five individual California sea lions live most of the year in the Sacramento River. They account for most sightings between Isleton and Colusa.

These five spend much of their time in the river near downtown Sacramento, at the confluence with the American River. Dendy has seen them eating catfish and striped bass. But their favorite appears to be chinook salmon – as many as one every 45 minutes.

Dendy identified the five individuals through unique markings on each animal in photos and video gathered during 132 hours of boat observation between September 2007 and January 2008. They are not harbor seals but California sea lions, distinguished by small external ear flaps.

He published his findings as his master's thesis for a degree in life sciences from the University of Maryland, and presented results at a Delta science conference in October.

"I don't think it's the cause of the collapse of the salmon fishery by any means," said Dendy, 54, who lives in Elk Grove. However, he said, "This has become a problem in the Sacramento Delta."

Since 1972, the Marine Mammal Protection Act has made killing and harassing sea lions a crime. The law followed steep population declines caused by hunting for fur and blubber, and it was a success.

The population of California sea lions is not endangered and now could be as high as 300,000, with an annual growth rate near 6 percent, according to 2007 federal data.

It's likely that declining fish populations and habitats have forced this growing population to travel farther for food. Sea lions are known to be smart, adaptable feeders.

Dendy said sea lions have always visited the Delta but were a rare sight until about five years ago. Now they frequent areas as far inland as the Feather River and Colusa – more than 100 miles from the Golden Gate.

More sea lions are likely to follow, Dendy said.

Marty Gingras, supervising biologist at the California Department of Fish and Game Bay-Delta Office, said his agency knows little about the local sea lions. But employees have seen the animals seize sturgeon, striped bass and salmon out of nets during fish population surveys.

"We know that every fish that a sea lion takes is a fish that's not available to spawn naturally," Gingras said.

There is fear that Delta sea lion numbers could grow to rival those in the Columbia River. Hundreds of Stellar and California sea lions have taken up residence there and are blamed for consuming as much as 4 percent of the spring chinook salmon run.

State officials in Oregon, Washington and Idaho obtained federal approval in March to kill up to 85 sea lions. The Humane Society of the United States recently lost a federal lawsuit to prevent the killing, but it plans to appeal.

"All it's going to take," Dendy said, "is this continued uncontrolled growth of the population of sea lions and the destruction of habitats for fisheries, and you're going to see a huge problem like they have up on the Columbia River, and there won't be any more salmon. I believe the potential could be explosive."

Sacramento's five resident sea lions are males. Four leave in spring to visit breeding areas on the Southern California coast.

The fifth is a very large, senior male who stays near the American River confluence year-round. Dendy named him "Brutus," after the Popeye cartoon character. Brutus can be identified by his prominent forehead bulge.

On a recent cold winter morning, Brutus was found swimming calmly at the mouth of the American River, near a sandy beach just below the Jibboom Street Bridge.

"He's 600 pounds if he's a pound," Dendy said as he watched Brutus through binoculars. "He's obviously lost interest in breeding. He's more interested in dining, I guess."

Brutus was not seen dining that morning. But he would stay submerged as long as 15 minutes, then surface and watch activity on the beach with curiosity. The long dives, Dendy said, indicate Brutus may be eating small fish underwater. He was trolling the watery seam where the clear American meets the silty Sacramento.

Dendy said he does not know the impact sea lions have on the river's salmon population. He hopes to start a new research to find out.

A lingering mystery is where the sea lions sleep. They usually have preferred "haulout" areas on shore. But Dendy has been unable to find any such spots along the river. Finding these would be useful to collect scat to analyze the animals' diet.

Dendy said having resident sea lions is probably not a good sign; it indicates an imbalance in nature. They are here, he said, because of overpopulation, a shortage of food or habitat – or all three.

"I don't really begrudge the sea lions eating the fish," said J.D. Richey, a Sacramento fishing guide who shot his own video, posted on YouTube, of a sea lion eating a salmon at the Sacramento-American confluence. "I mean, they've been doing that longer than we have. But now that every salmon is precious, I think the sea lion factor gets a little bit bigger."

[doctordog]

I think sea lions are magnificent creatures!:thumbsup:

[slowhand]

There could be lots of reasons why they dont have healthcare, and I dont think that lazy is the number one answer

Before I became disabled I had a Blue Cross plan with a $3000 deductable, before I got on Medicare in 2006..Back then it cost $365 per month..This plan did not have a deductable prior to 2006, but Blue Cross claimed that they were losing money on the individual plans, so they restructured all of them

Now, who in the hell wants to pay $365 a month for a plan that doesnt cover jack shit?..No co-pay coverage, no Rx coverage, no nothing..I was self employed..I kept the plan in case I ended up with cancer or something..Thats all it was good for

In 2004 that plan paid for the MRI's that led to a diagnosis of Parkinsons Disease..I had 3 MRI's done..One on my spine, and one on my brain..I had to re-do the brain MRI..(i know what you're thinking)..:lmao2: ..because of the Parkinsons I was uncomfortable and couldnt stay still after a half an hour in the tube, and that fucked up the films..They had to knock me out with valium on the second round

Aynway..Had this been done in 2006, I would have had to come up with around to $2500 or more out of pocket because of the $3000 deductable

$2500 is alot of dough to pay out when you've got health insurance..Six months prior to getting on Medicare, I said fuck it, and dropped the Blue Cross plan

The premium plan was over $700 per month, and I couldnt afford that, so WTF do you do?..As far as health insurance goes, getiing disabled and on Medicare was a blessing, other than that it sucks

Thats my story

[Bill Cosby]

Most fisherman (Calif Oregon, Wash) here think so to, especially @ the end of a big club or stick...lol (just kidding)

They are becoming a real big problem..

They blame them for the decline of the salmon (not the commercial fisheries) & they are protected so are just taking over some harbors & marinas... Literally...

They are huge & can $1,000 a day in fish......

WTF is up w/ these lazy ass white sharks????

They love these fat fur balls...........http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/en/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/barcroft_shark02.jpg

Sea lions sink boat in Newport Harbor
August 29th, 2008, 2:55 pm by Laylan Connelly, staff writer (http://beach.freedomblogging.com/tag/sea-lions/)


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Workers look inside a boat after pulling it up from the bottom of the harbor.Well, the good news is that the owner of a trimaran that was attracting sea lions put up netting so they would stay off his boat.

The bad news is - the found another one. And sunk it.

I went down to the harbor today after getting word from bayfront resident Larry Buckelew that two sea lions had gotten on top of a small boat, and it took in so much water with the weight of the burly beasts that it ended up at the bottom of the harbor.

That sucks. (read the full story here)

There was a ton of debate on whether the sea lions should be left alone, seeing as they were there first. Others agreed with Buckelew and other irked bayfront residents who said the city has to do something better to take control of this issue.

What do you think? Add a comment below or take this poll:
What do you think about the sea lion invasion?


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[Bill Cosby]

There could be lots of reasons why they dont have healthcare, and I dont think that lazy is the number one answer

Before I became disabled I had a Blue Cross plan with a $3000 deductable, before I got on Medicare in 2006..Back then it cost $365 per month..This plan did not have a deductable prior to 2006, but Blue Cross claimed that they were losing money on the individual plans, so they restructured all of them

Now, who in the hell wants to pay $365 a month for a plan that doesnt cover jack shit?..No co-pay coverage, no Rx coverage, no nothing..I was self employed..I kept the plan in case I ended up with cancer or something..Thats all it was good for

In 2004 that plan paid for the MRI's that led to a diagnosis of Parkinsons Disease..I had 3 MRI's done..One on my spine, and one on my brain..I had to re-do the brain MRI..(i know what you're thinking)..:lmao2: ..because of the Parkinsons I was uncomfortable and couldnt stay still after a half an hour in the tube, and that fucked up the films..They had to knock me out with valium on the second round

Aynway..Had this been done in 2006, I would have had to come up with around to $2500 or more out of pocket because of the $3000 deductable

$2500 is alot of dough to pay out when you've got health insurance..Six months prior to getting on Medicare, I said fuck it, and dropped the Blue Cross plan

The premium plan was over $700 per month, and I couldnt afford that, so WTF do you do?..As far as health insurance goes, getiing disabled and on Medicare was a blessing, other than that it sucks

Thats my story

ThnX for sharing that....

That is just crazy kinda #'s for a $3,000 deduct............ INSANE!!!!

I have a friend that was paying over $800 for him & his wife.... W/ $2,000 deduct..........

He moved to San Diego so it may better now as he got some hearing thing w/ the VA so they are going to cover some of his costs... Took two years & a bunch of tests to determine he lost hearing in Vietnam...

It is such a shame Americans need to do this when everyone in any other industrialized nation (the good the bad & the ugly citizens ) would not have to worry about this..

[doctordog]

There could be lots of reasons why they dont have healthcare, and I dont think that lazy is the number one answer

Before I became disabled I had a Blue Cross plan with a $3000 deductable, before I got on Medicare in 2006..Back then it cost $365 per month..This plan did not have a deductable prior to 2006, but Blue Cross claimed that they were losing money on the individual plans, so they restructured all of them

Now, who in the hell wants to pay $365 a month for a plan that doesnt cover jack shit?..No co-pay coverage, no Rx coverage, no nothing..I was self employed..I kept the plan in case I ended up with cancer or something..Thats all it was good for

In 2004 that plan paid for the MRI's that led to a diagnosis of Parkinsons Disease..I had 3 MRI's done..One on my spine, and one on my brain..I had to re-do the brain MRI..(i know what you're thinking)..:lmao2: ..because of the Parkinsons I was uncomfortable and couldnt stay still after a half an hour in the tube, and that fucked up the films..They had to knock me out with valium on the second round

Aynway..Had this been done in 2006, I would have had to come up with around to $2500 or more out of pocket because of the $3000 deductable

$2500 is alot of dough to pay out when you've got health insurance..Six months prior to getting on Medicare, I said fuck it, and dropped the Blue Cross plan

The premium plan was over $700 per month, and I couldnt afford that, so WTF do you do?..As far as health insurance goes, getiing disabled and on Medicare was a blessing, other than that it sucks

Thats my story

Has there been any major break throughs on stem cell now that bush is out?

[slowhand]

Has there been any major break throughs on stem cell now that bush is out?

The way I see it..Parkinsons awareness/advocacy/lobbying..fund raising organizations, like the American Parkinsons Disease Association, the Parkinsons Action Network, the Parkinsons Disease Foundation..all smoke and mirrors..They generate millions of dollars, and we end up with nothing..People who have jobs in those arenas are the beneficiaries

The brutal honest truth..The only people who are interested in curing Parkinsons are the people who have it..If a cure was found, think about how many people employed in advocacy organizations, including corporate pharma, hospitals and doctors would lose tons of money..My meds cost about $500 a month..Advanced pd patients can consume $1500 worth of meds easily..Multiply that by the millions of Americans who have the disease..Pd is a long term disease that most patietns die with, rather than die from

Stem cells for pd?..As far as Im concerned?..A fantasy

First of all, nobody knows how it will work, and how many cells to transplant in the brain, because every pd patient is unique in that no two have the same amount of dead cells in the brain in the same places..They die at random in every patient..Dont transplant enough stem cells, and the patient still has symptoms..Put too many and the patient suffers from dyskenisia..and, stem cells will not stop the progression of the disease..Those cells will also eventually die off too..Stem cells will buy time..untill the scientific community figures out what Parkinsons is, and figure out how to stop it from progressing, they will never be able to cure it

[doctordog]

The way I see it..Parkinsons awareness/advocacy/lobbying..fund raising organizations, like the American Parkinsons Disease Association, the Parkinsons Action Network, the Parkinsons Disease Foundation..all smoke and mirrors..They generate millions of dollars, and we end up with nothing..People who have jobs in those arenas are the beneficiaries

The brutal honest truth..The only people who are interested in curing Parkinsons are the people who have it..If a cure was found, think about how many people employed in advocacy organizations, including corporate pharma, hospitals and doctors would lose tons of money..My meds cost about $500 a month..Advanced pd patients can consume $1500 worth of meds easily..Multiply that by the millions of Americans who have the disease..Pd is a long term disease that most patietns die with, rather than die from

Stem cells for pd?..As far as Im concerned?..A fantasy

First of all, nobody knows how it will work, and how many cells to transplant in the brain, because every pd patient is unique in that no two have the same amount of dead cells in the brain in the same places..They die at random in every patient..Dont transplant enough stem cells, and the patient still has symptoms..Put too many and the patient suffers from dyskenisia..and, stem cells will not stop the progression of the disease..Those cells will also eventually die off too..Stem cells will buy time..untill the scientific community figures out what Parkinsons is, and figure out how to stop it from progressing, they will never be able to cure it

The father of one of my son's friends found out he had MS about 2 years ago, in 6 months he went from coaching and working to almost an invalid in a wheelchair. I thought more advances had been made in that area, but I guess not. All companies want to treat and not cure. It doesn't seem fair.

[Bill Cosby]

The father of one of my son's friends found out he had MS about 2 years ago, in 6 months he went from coaching and working to almost an invalid in a wheelchair. I thought more advances had been made in that area, but I guess not. All companies want to treat and not cure. It doesn't seem fair.

As we were driving out this AM we were talking about a good O' friend that use to go out fishing all the time that has it.. Last couple years he really has had issues.... One of my friends had talked to him on Thurs AM & was not sure if he recognized him or not..

I hope & pray that slow does not have to endure some of that..

[slowhand]

The father of one of my son's friends found out he had MS about 2 years ago, in 6 months he went from coaching and working to almost an invalid in a wheelchair. I thought more advances had been made in that area, but I guess not. All companies want to treat and not cure. It doesn't seem fair.

Well, thats corporate America..Its a business

There was a synthetic drug that Amgen developed called GDNF, and had great results for pd in clinical trials, but the delivery system was brutal

They surgically implanted two pumps in the abdomen with feed pipes to administer the drug..The pumps had cathaters snaked under the skin to holes drillled into both sides of the skull, left and right in the affected areas of the brain

Our bodies produce natural GDNF with promotes cell growth..That was the science behind the clinical trials..There was a trial in the UK, and one of the recipiants died of natural causes..The UK trials only fed one side of the brain..They did an autopsy, and found newly sprouted neuro transmitters growing on the part of the brain that was receiving the GDNF, so they know the therapy had potential..When Amgen realized that they may have discoverd a cure, they halted the study, and claimed that the drug caused leisons on the brains of primates, but none on any of the human recipients..The people involved in the study sued Amgen for compassionate use, and the judge ruled in favor of Amgen, and that was the end of it..Imagine if they continued down that road and found a way to deliver GDNF in pill form, or atleast a delivery system that was no so invasive

[slowhand]

As we were driving out this AM we were talking about a good O' friend that use to go out fishing all the time that has it.. Last couple years he really has had issues.... One of my friends had talked to him on Thurs AM & was not sure if he recognized him or not..

I hope & pray that slow does not have to endure some of that..

Thanks Bill..It is what it is..It has its moments, but I still have a decent life..Some days it puts you down, and other days I go out in my boat and go shellfishing part time..I have more problems with side effects from meds than I do from the actual Parkinsons

[MintJulep]

Sorry to hear about your challenges with PD, SH, but you have a great attitude, and that's half the battle.

[Bill Cosby]

Thanks Bill..It is what it is..It has its moments, but I still have a decent life..Some days it puts you down, and other days I go out in my boat and go shellfishing part time..I have more problems with side effects from meds than I do from the actual Parkinsons

:D

I am glad to hear that & I would agree you very much do have a decent life... You are as feisty as ever... :lmao2:

What are you going for?? Claming??? Crab??

For me being out, especially on the water is like home... I love to kayak & if I can't get anyone to go I go alone......... I love it...

Seeing all the birds, fish & otters, beavers (saw the biggest HERD of otter I ever saw today)..... Usually see a family of otter four or five....... There was over a dozen ganged up on the bank...:disbelief:

[slowhand]

Sorry to hear about your challenges with PD, SH, but you have a great attitude, and that's half the battle.

That is the whole battle..atttitude..Especially with pd, because whatever affects me emotionally, matches what I experience in increased symptoms..Stress, worry, anxiety will fuck me up, and the meds wont touch it..I had to make a decision to fight, and do my best to enjoy life and be grateful I have a disease that I can live with, that an be treated..I have some friends who were in good health, then all of a sudden this one lady gets diagnosed with breast cancer, and has a double masectomy..(sp)..and another one relapses and has a massive heroin overdose after being clean for 15 years..put him in a coma for a week..was clinically dead for a few minutes..He was a strong healthy guy, and now hes got more problems than I ever thought of having

[slowhand]

:D

I am glad to hear that & I would agree you very much do have a decent life... You are as feisty as ever... :lmao2:

What are you going for?? Claming??? Crab??

For me being out, especially on the water is like home... I love to kayak & if I can't get anyone to go I go alone......... I love it...

Seeing all the birds, fish & otters, beavers (saw the biggest HERD of otter I ever saw today)..... Usually see a family of otter four or five....... There was over a dozen ganged up on the bank...:disbelief:

I go for clams and conch, depends on the seasons

[Bill Cosby]

You gotta dig or pull them conch off rocks???

I lived on the east coast (long Island) & there was lots of shell fish but I only saw empty conch shells so I guess they were hidden in the rocks or something...

Lots of clams (Not the little necks or smaller Chesapeakes..(clam chowder NE & Manhattan) & blue claw

[MintJulep]

That is the whole battle..atttitude..Especially with pd, because whatever affects me emotionally, matches what I experience in increased symptoms..Stress, worry, anxiety will fuck me up, and the meds wont touch it..I had to make a decision to fight, and do my best to enjoy life and be grateful I have a disease that I can live with, that an be treated..I have some friends who were in good health, then all of a sudden this one lady gets diagnosed with breast cancer, and has a double masectomy..(sp)..and another one relapses and has a massive heroin overdose after being clean for 15 years..put him in a coma for a week..was clinically dead for a few minutes..He was a strong healthy guy, and now hes got more problems than I ever thought of havingYou are very courageous, SH, much like my mother who has had MS since I was about five. She's a real fighter, never complains and always smiles and laughs.

People like you are inspirational.

[Bill Cosby]

AMEN!!!!! :)

[slowhand]

You are very courageous, SH, much like my mother who has had MS since I was about five. She's a real fighter, never complains and always smiles and laughs.

People like you are inspirational.

Thanks Minty, but I do complain sometimes..Sometimes I get pissed off at it, but getting angry isnt necessarily a bad thing, as long as it doesnt turn into self pity..That when you're fucked..Like I mentioned in an earlier post, any negative emotion will put you down..I do alot of support, onilne as well as support groups in my area..Support serves many purposes..You get an education on the disease, in terms of what pd is, how to treat it, how to deal with it..The people who focus on a cure, most are unhappy..they want out, and there is no way out..They get depressed, and this beast eats them for breakfast..Their symptoms get out of control..next thing you know they're using a walker..they dont exercise..they hang around the house and worry..fear and self pity consume them, and they lose their way and take anti depressants that work well for some, and make life almost bearable for others, and dont do much for yet others..The fight begins with attitude, like you mentioned..then the door is open for staying busy, exercising, taking part in your own life, and taking it one day at a time..Be grateful for the good days, and rest up on the bad ones..Im seven years into this, and I really enjoy the water and getting out in my boat a couple of time a week..Im pretty beat up when I get home, but the exercise is good, and the fun and the adventure stimulates the mind

[slowhand]

You gotta dig or pull them conch off rocks???

I lived on the east coast (long Island) & there was lots of shell fish but I only saw empty conch shells so I guess they were hidden in the rocks or something...

Lots of clams (Not the little necks or smaller Chesapeakes..(clam chowder NE & Manhattan) & blue claw

I use traps for the conch, and catch littleneck clams..The traps are basically wooden..square, with lathes on the sides..I bait them with eitherr horseshoe, or green crab, and the conchs crawl up the sides and drop inside the trap..The tops are made out of wire mesh with an opening...Its almost impossible for them to stay stuck to that wire mesh to crawl back out

[John Galt]

It could be argued that those without healthcare took to the streets last November, and voted.

In 2010, we'll remove more of the obstacles.

Although both dems/repubs. are all in bed with the industry, at least some sort of improvement will come.


This isn't only about those without healthcare. There are many who are carrying insurance, at the expense of other necessities in their lives.

[disrupter]

A lot of them work hard for a living with families & don't have a lot of excess time & energy for protests.

Maybe they have seen the disasters in Iraq, Afghanistan & the Banking Industry & are very wary of this same government?

The same GOPers would turn what could be a good efficient run system & corrupt it into bloated, bankrupting corporate welfare & police state mandates.

They either can not afford or have chosen not to get health care,
so why would they want a mandate to FORCE them into buying insurance from the manslaughtering, fraudulent insurance industry?

[Bill Cosby]

I use traps for the conch, and catch littleneck clams..The traps are basically wooden..square, with lathes on the sides..I bait them with eitherr horseshoe, or green crab, and the conchs crawl up the sides and drop inside the trap..The tops are made out of wire mesh with an opening...Its almost impossible for them to stay stuck to that wire mesh to crawl back out

Cool. Where do you clam & conch @ if I may ask???

Prob my favorite is this guy... Pacific rock crab...http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/shellfish/crab/large_images/cancer-antennarius_ODFW_900.jpg They are like the best dungeness crab you ever had but they are small & not as plentiful anymore..


But I also love dungeness crab http://kasilofseafoods.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/dungeness-crab-large.jpg

It is difficult to find them over 2 lbs now days..... Back in the day 3-4 lbs was normal....

I gotta go eat now after this....... :D

[kres24GT]

Some make that choice, some are kids & some loose their jobs & yada, yada yda..... Out of 47,000,000 there should be lots of noise IMO... LOTZ!!!!!

Again, many choose to not be insured, why would the protest?

[slowhand]

Cool. Where do you clam & conch @ if I may ask???

Prob my favorite is this guy... Pacific rock crab...http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/shellfish/crab/large_images/cancer-antennarius_ODFW_900.jpg They are like the best dungeness crab you ever had but they are small & not as plentiful anymore..


But I also love dungeness crab http://kasilofseafoods.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/dungeness-crab-large.jpg

It is difficult to find them over 2 lbs now days..... Back in the day 3-4 lbs was normal....

I gotta go eat now after this....... :D

In Rhode Island in Narragansett Bay

Ive had Pacific Rock Crab..Excellent!!

[Bill Cosby]

So fucking what???
Some choose not to... I guess money had nothing to do w/ it... I just don't want my kids to have care... Pls my friend don't keep playing that.. You are better than that.. Leave this illogic to the repub sheeppl...

There are 47,000,000 I want more & I want it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill Cosby]

In Rhode Island in Narragansett Bay

Ive had Pacific Rock Crab..Excellent!!

I have had the Chesapeake but no clams from there. I have heard they are very very good & sweet...

How did you get the rock crab??

You do some crabbing here???

[slowhand]

I have had the Chesapeake but no clams from there. I have heard they are very very good & sweet...

How did you get the rock crab??

You do some crabbing here???

The Cheapeake crabs you a refering to are the blue shell crab..real sweet tasting crab..Some folks prefer them over lobster..They reside along most of the east coast, and more plentiful in the southern Atlantic..We have them here, but it is a recreational fishery only

The Pacific Rock Crabs..Looooong story Bill, but to make a long story short, I went to meet a woman from my online Parkinsons support network last October..She lives out in the State of Washington, and while I was there she got a recreational crab license while I was there..It was good for Rock Crab, and Dungeoness..(sp)..We had one trap, and we set it off this long pier in Pugent Sound, and caught four good sized ones..They were sweet and full of meat..good stuff!!

We have Rock Crabs here, better known as "Jonah Crabs"..Lots of meat, but not as tasty as the Pacific Rock Crab

[slowhand]

Most fisherman (Calif Oregon, Wash) here think so to, especially @ the end of a big club or stick...lol (just kidding)

They are becoming a real big problem..

They blame them for the decline of the salmon (not the commercial fisheries) & they are protected so are just taking over some harbors & marinas... Literally...

They are huge & can $1,000 a day in fish......

WTF is up w/ these lazy ass white sharks????

They love these fat fur balls...........http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/en/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/barcroft_shark02.jpg

Sea lions sink boat in Newport Harbor
August 29th, 2008, 2:55 pm by Laylan Connelly, staff writer (http://beach.freedomblogging.com/tag/sea-lions/)


http://beach.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/08/sealion1.jpg

Workers look inside a boat after pulling it up from the bottom of the harbor.Well, the good news is that the owner of a trimaran that was attracting sea lions put up netting so they would stay off his boat.

The bad news is - the found another one. And sunk it.

I went down to the harbor today after getting word from bayfront resident Larry Buckelew that two sea lions had gotten on top of a small boat, and it took in so much water with the weight of the burly beasts that it ended up at the bottom of the harbor.

That sucks. (read the full story here)

There was a ton of debate on whether the sea lions should be left alone, seeing as they were there first. Others agreed with Buckelew and other irked bayfront residents who said the city has to do something better to take control of this issue.

What do you think? Add a comment below or take this poll:
What do you think about the sea lion invasion?


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That is interesting, the sea lions that is..I can see how they could easily sink a boat..Ive heard they can be a real pest

[MintJulep]

Thanks Minty, but I do complain sometimes..Sometimes I get pissed off at it, but getting angry isnt necessarily a bad thing, as long as it doesnt turn into self pity..That when you're fucked..Like I mentioned in an earlier post, any negative emotion will put you down..I do alot of support, onilne as well as support groups in my area..Support serves many purposes..You get an education on the disease, in terms of what pd is, how to treat it, how to deal with it..The people who focus on a cure, most are unhappy..they want out, and there is no way out..They get depressed, and this beast eats them for breakfast..Their symptoms get out of control..next thing you know they're using a walker..they dont exercise..they hang around the house and worry..fear and self pity consume them, and they lose their way and take anti depressants that work well for some, and make life almost bearable for others, and dont do much for yet others..The fight begins with attitude, like you mentioned..then the door is open for staying busy, exercising, taking part in your own life, and taking it one day at a time..Be grateful for the good days, and rest up on the bad ones..Im seven years into this, and I really enjoy the water and getting out in my boat a couple of time a week..Im pretty beat up when I get home, but the exercise is good, and the fun and the adventure stimulates the mindWell everybody complains now and then, and you would have every right to complain if you wanted, but you seem upbeat and motivated in your life. I know people with nothing wrong with them who are so negative that I would probably off myself if I were locked in a room with them for 20 minutes.

Your attitude has the ability to affect others, and when others see your courageousness, they are inspired and encouraged to achieve that in their own lives. See? You have the ability to serve a valuable purpose in the lives of others.

[Bill Cosby]

The Cheapeake crabs you a refering to are the blue shell crab..real sweet tasting crab..Some folks prefer them over lobster..They reside along most of the east coast, and more plentiful in the southern Atlantic..We have them here, but it is a recreational fishery only

The Pacific Rock Crabs..Looooong story Bill, but to make a long story short, I went to meet a woman from my online Parkinsons support network last October..She lives out in the State of Washington, and while I was there she got a recreational crab license while I was there..It was good for Rock Crab, and Dungeoness..(sp)..We had one trap, and we set it off this long pier in Pugent Sound, and caught four good sized ones..They were sweet and full of meat..good stuff!!

We have Rock Crabs here, better known as "Jonah Crabs"..Lots of meat, but not as tasty as the Pacific Rock Crab

Yea I had lots of blue claw on the east coast & a similar ones just outisde New Orleans.. There was lots of them off long Isalnd.. WHen I would be out boggey boarding (it was mostly sand) if my foot touched anything that was not sand I pulled up strongly... :lmao2: :lmao2:

Up there is Wash they still have lots, here is being over fished.... Sad...

[Bill Cosby]

That is interesting, the sea lions that is..I can see how they could easily sink a boat..Ive heard they can be a real pest

They are like small walrus- about 400-600libs... A few years ago I was in Santa Cruz kayaking during a anchovy or herring run & they were all over the place as well as pelicans & others diving right next to me.. Those birds are not very graceful hitting the water.....

The sea lions were right next to my kayak & I was not feeling real comfortable as they could tip me w/out even knowing it.... Plus the great whites love them...

They say this is one of the highest concentration of them in the world...

[slowhand]

Well everybody complains now and then, and you would have every right to complain if you wanted, but you seem upbeat and motivated in your life. I know people with nothing wrong with them who are so negative that I would probably off myself if I were locked in a room with them for 20 minutes.

Your attitude has the ability to affect others, and when others see your courageousness, they are inspired and encouraged to achieve that in their own lives. See? You have the ability to serve a valuable purpose in the lives of others.

Thank You for the compliment!

[slowhand]

Yea I had lots of blue claw on the east coast & a similar ones just outisde New Orleans.. There was lots of them off long Isalnd.. WHen I would be out boggey boarding (it was mostly sand) if my foot touched anything that was not sand I pulled up strongly... :lmao2: :lmao2:

Up there is Wash they still have lots, here is being over fished.... Sad...

Yeah, they are very aggresssive..Have you ever seen them when its about 40 degrees out?..They go dormant, and look like they're dead/dying..I put some in the sink to wash them before I boiled them up, ut got side tracked and left them there for a while..Well, when they warmed up a bit, they came back to life, and when I put my hand near the sink to get them ready, there was a dozen claws up in the air trying to bite me..I had some fun getting them in the pan

[doctordog]

Yea I had lots of blue claw on the east coast & a similar ones just outisde New Orleans.. There was lots of them off long Isalnd.. WHen I would be out boggey boarding (it was mostly sand) if my foot touched anything that was not sand I pulled up strongly... :lmao2: :lmao2:

Up there is Wash they still have lots, here is being over fished.... Sad...

I get a trip to Baltimore next week and I can't wait to eat those crab cakes! I also get the opportunity to take a customer to the Carlisle Swap meet which should be outstanding.:D

[gOd]

It could be argued that those without healthcare took to the streets last November, and voted.

In 2010, we'll remove more of the obstacles.

Although both dems/repubs. are all in bed with the industry, at least some sort of improvement will come.


This isn't only about those without healthcare. There are many who are carrying insurance, at the expense of other necessities in their lives.
I agree. If both houses of congress fuck up and don't give us what we voted for, there will be hell to pay in 2010.

[gOd]

That is interesting, the sea lions that is..I can see how they could easily sink a boat..Ive heard they can be a real pest
Sea lions keep me up at night with all their barking.

[Bill Cosby]

Yeah, they are very aggresssive..Have you ever seen them when its about 40 degrees out?..They go dormant, and look like they're dead/dying..I put some in the sink to wash them before I boiled them up, ut got side tracked and left them there for a while..Well, when they warmed up a bit, they came back to life, and when I put my hand near the sink to get them ready, there was a dozen claws up in the air trying to bite me..I had some fun getting them in the pan

:lmao2:

I was/am a warm weather crabber/clamber... Never seen that.... But I have been pinched lots of times.... I was most vulnerble when I was clamming as I could not see, feeling around w/ my hands. ZAP!!!!

WHen I was on the east coast about this time of year the beaches were void of ppl & no shore fish & shell fish were deep...

I use to fish as well for fish we called "black fish" which we call rock fish here- they eat mostly mussels & hang around rocks, docks bridges etc... A bit boney & oily but not bad & easy to catch...

Also on the sandy part were flukes (like a small halibut) & small flounder- excellent pan fish.......... Just like cod or sole... Flat- they are born fillets.lol

Before the salmon fishing ban I was catching 30-40lbs salmon in my kayak... Nice little Nantucket sleigh ride till they tire out & I can muscle them to the shore to land them... http://www.sacriverflyfishing.com/images/photos/salmon249.jpg

Along the coast I have done Abalone & still have some for my next Gumbo but they are also way over fished but are coming back....

We have a unique huge ass clam that is pretty tasty & one can make a pot of soup or beaten down for some fried (like calamari)

They are now called "horseneck clams (http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/camp.html)" but back in the day they were called another part of the horse.... lol

http://www.lawsonslanding.com/images/Clams.JPG

This clam will fight back-run/hide... It is a lot more then digging w/ your hand or small shovel... You gotta have a diver... SOmeone to jump in the tube & pull him out.... You need the tube to trap it so it will not move side to side & evade...
http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/0006.jpg

Check out this little page on it.. This is about the central coast about 50-70 miles north of San Francisco.. Dillion beach (http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/camp.html)

[Bill Cosby]

I get a trip to Baltimore next week and I can't wait to eat those crab cakes! I also get the opportunity to take a customer to the Carlisle Swap meet which should be outstanding.:D

LOL......... I like those to........ :thumbsup:

What are you going to do @ Carlisle???

I have heard of it but never been there....

[doctordog]

LOL......... I like those to........ :thumbsup:

What are you going to do @ Carlisle???

I have heard of it but never been there....

Carlisle PA, big car show and swap meet.:thumbsup: I love old muscle cars!:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

Carlisle PA, big car show and swap meet.:thumbsup: I love old muscle cars!:thumbsup:

So you will be looking, not buying???

Or @ least not planning to spur the economy...

[doctordog]

So you will be looking, not buying???

Or @ least not planning to spur the economy...

I could be buying, there is supposed to be a 70 GTX there with a 440- 6 pack that I have looked at online.

[slowhand]

I was/am a warm weather crabber/clamber... Never seen that.... But I have been pinched lots of times.... I was most vulnerble when I was clamming as I could not see, feeling around w/ my hands. ZAP!!!!

WHen I was on the east coast about this time of year the beaches were void of ppl & no shore fish & shell fish were deep...

I use to fish as well for fish we called "black fish" which we call rock fish here- they eat mostly mussels & hang around rocks, docks bridges etc... A bit boney & oily but not bad & easy to catch...

Also on the sandy part were flukes (like a small halibut) & small flounder- excellent pan fish.......... Just like cod or sole... Flat- they are born fillets.lol

Before the salmon fishing ban I was catching 30-40lbs salmon in my kayak... Nice little Nantucket sleigh ride till they tire out & I can muscle them to the shore to land them... http://www.sacriverflyfishing.com/images/photos/salmon249.jpg

Along the coast I have done Abalone & still have some for my next Gumbo but they are also way over fished but are coming back....

Yeah, blackfish..We call them tautog, which is what the Native Americans called them..The are heavily regulated now..Years ago they used fetch 40 cent lb tops..Then the Chinese developed a live market, and the price went up as high as about $2.75 lb..They everyone and his brother went fishing for them..The lobstermen used to catch loads of them in their pots, but they threw them back when they werent worth much..Before they got regulated to death, and the price was high, there were days when the lobstermen made more money on catching blackfish than they did catching lobsters

I fished for fluke most of the time, from May untill November basically..Then they got regulated hard as well..I got out of the business at a good time, even though it wasnt by choice..I had an old wooden 47' dragger, built back in 1946..In Nov of 2003, I decided that if I was gonna stay in the business, I had to fix the boat..That SOB leaked all the time, and drove me half crazy sometimes..So I gutted it down to the bare hull, and completely rebuilt her..In May of 2004 I got diagnosed with Parkinsons, and because of the winter I was about half done rebuilding the boat..I didnt know whether I should go down the boatyard with my tools, or leave the tools home at that point and say fuck it, and go down there with a chain saw and get it over with..I ended up finishing the project that August, and fished for another year and a half, and had to retire..I sold the boat for peanuts in 2006 just to get rid of it..Between my illness, and paying for dockage, and babysitting the damn thing every time there was a gale of wind blowing, I couldnt imagine walking down an icy dock in January in the middle of the night, during a storm, to make sure everything was ok..So that was it, the boat had to go

We have a unique huge ass clam that is pretty tasty & one can make a pot of soup or beaten down for some fried (like calamari)

They are now called "horseneck clams (http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/camp.html)" but back in the day they were called another part of the horse.... lol

http://www.lawsonslanding.com/images/Clams.JPG

This clam will fight back-run/hide... It is a lot more then digging w/ your hand or small shovel... You gotta have a diver... SOmeone to jump in the tube & pull him out.... You need the tube to trap it so it will not move side to side & evade...
http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/0006.jpg

Check out this little page on it.. This is about the central coast about 50-70 miles north of San Francisco.. Dillion beach (http://home.surewest.net/kpearson/camp.html)

Those clams are wild!!..Ive never heard of them before..They remind me of the east coast razor clams..When you start digging for them, they burrow dow like grease lightning..When I was on the west coast they had these clam guns..thats what the PVC tube reminded me of

Heres a conch pot...

http://i38.tinypic.com/2yoofvr.jpg

[Bill Cosby]

Wow very interesting….. I bet you could tell some hellva good fishing stories… I watched that show “deadliest catch” the first season & it was pretty dramatic dealing w/ those conditions & seas.

They say the north Atlantic has killed lots & lots of fisherman… Sounds like you survived lots of bad weather & seas…

I use to dig some clams there that were about the size of a hand but those horseneck are about 5 times that…. They are only in that one part of the central coast that I know of… I have gone both north & south of there & they are not there…

That trap is a pretty good size. I didn’t realize they got that big….

You must of eaten lots of them…lol They pretty good? Soup, fried, sautéed???

I have eaten sea snails (Not land snails) & they are pretty good- like an oyster…

[slowhand]

Wow very interesting….. I bet you could tell some hellva good fishing stories… I watched that show “deadliest catch” the first season & it was pretty dramatic dealing w/ those conditions & seas.

They say the north Atlantic has killed lots & lots of fisherman… Sounds like you survived lots of bad weather & seas…

Those guys are the best of the best..I met Phil Harris and Jonathan Hilstrand a couple of years ago when they were in the area

I know what we see on camera, is nothing compared to what it is like to be standing on the deck of one of those crab boats..It is a job just standing up in the horrendous weather they sometimes work in..Ive been in some kickass weather, when I worked offshore years ago, but nothing like that..I love fishing, but Im not crazy either..I take my hat off to those guys, but no thanks..that is living a little too close to the edge for me

I use to dig some clams there that were about the size of a hand but those horseneck are about 5 times that…. They are only in that one part of the central coast that I know of… I have gone both north & south of there & they are not there…

That trap is a pretty good size. I didn’t realize they got that big….

You must of eaten lots of them…lol They pretty good? Soup, fried, sautéed???

I have eaten sea snails (Not land snails) & they are pretty good- like an oyster…

We make a salad out of them..The conchs have to be boiled for atleast an hour to tenderize them..I use a crock pot and do them over night

Then you cut them down the middle the long way, and clean the guts out, then slice or dice them, whichever you prefer, and add whatever vegatables and salad dressing you like..I use vinegar and olive oil mixed with a little bit of the broth they were cooked in, then I add some celery, red onion, black olives, and hot pepper rings diced up

That conch pot is 24" x 24" and 7" in height..You want plenty of room inside, with low sides so they dont have to crawl very far to get in the trap

[Bill Cosby]

Do they do that lobster fishing show to???

When I first saw it I was not very impressed.. But then seeing that temp drop.. 400lb ice berg/hunks landing on deck in those huge swells slamming over the deck……. No sleep & below freezing in wind & wet deck………….

Like trying to clean a meat grinder while it is still running…

For me the lack of sleep & cold would make that impossible…

Sounds very tasty. I love salad & eat it almost every day (A big one)…

Boil??? They taste like oyster or sea snails???

The broth must be pretty rich…. You make soup w/ them sometimes???

[slowhand]

Do they do that lobster fishing show to???

When I first saw it I was not very impressed.. But then seeing that temp drop.. 400lb ice berg/hunks landing on deck in those huge swells slamming over the deck……. No sleep & below freezing in wind & wet deck………….

Like trying to clean a meat grinder while it is still running…

For me the lack of sleep & cold would make that impossible…

Sounds very tasty. I love salad & eat it almost every day (A big one)…

Boil??? They taste like oyster or sea snails???

The broth must be pretty rich…. You make soup w/ them sometimes???


No..The lobster show is a different bunch of guys, one boat that I am familiar with..The guy who runs the Timothy Micheal in "Lobster Wars"..I have the "pleasure" ..(if you wanna call it that)..of meeting him..The guy is a jerk..I was mate on a 100' clam dredge boat back in the early 90's, and we were heading out to make a trip, and when we got to Newport, we started to have trouble with the steering..It had a hydraulic leak somewhere...So we decided to pull into Newport Harbor to find a place to tie up temporarily to see if we could locate and fix the leak..There was a dock undergoing repairs, and nobody was tied to it, so we pulled in there and threw a couple of lines on the dock, and got to work..Well the Capt of the Timothy Micheal, his last name is Palumbo, comes over and wants to know what we're doing there?..So we explained the situation, and told him we'd be outa there soon..He told us we couldnt tie there..And we told him we didnt have any choice, cuz we were losing our steering..So the fucking jerk takes off and goes and calls the State Police!!!..Long story short, they cops understood and they too off..When I saw him on "Lobster Wars" and saw what a shit house his boat was, and half his crew were jailbirds and drug addicts, it put everythng into perspective

Ive never made soup with them..I suppose you could make a chowder with them..I cant see why not..I think the trickiest part would be experimenting with how much conch broth to mix with water..The broth is kinda strong, and you'd definately have to cut it with some water, and put some salt pork or something in it as well to make a stock..When I make clam cowder, I use all of the clam broth the clams were boiled in, because its not too strong, its just right

The conch are a species sea snail, and they dont quite taste like oysters..I really cant think of a compatible comparison, except..I guess most sea snails taste kinda the same more or less..Some taste stronger than others

[Bill Cosby]

I only watched that show once or twice..... Didn't seem as interesting....

Guy sounds like a real dick, he will get what is coming to him....

Sounds like the conch is pretty unique flavor....

I will have to try them...

I have some smoked salmon in the freezer & some Abalone in there two... I am not sure what I will make w/ it yet... I give most of the smoked salmon away as I am burnt out on it....