Ya know, maybe they should impeach him

[Bill]

The hardheaded part of me says why waste tme on a symbolic move, one that can't get past the number of votes needed to succeed in the senate.

But maybe the house should vote on the articles of impeachment anyway.

Maybe a symbolic gesture would be for the best.

[magpictures]

From the Studio that Brought you JESUS CAMP and CONTROL ROOM, Magnolia Pictures is Proud to Present NO END IN SIGHT in Theaters July 27th .
The first film of its kind to chronicle the reasons behind Iraq's descent into guerilla war, warlord rule, criminality and anarchy, NO END IN SIGHT is a jaw-dropping, insider's tale of wholesale incompetence, recklessness and venality.
"Let me say this: If you could only see ONE documentary on the Iraq War, let it be 'NO END IN SIGHT.'" - Crooksandliars.com YouTube Trailer Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qGPp-WhgEXE
Assets Link: http://www.specialopsmedia.com/assets/Magnolia/NoEndInSight/assets.zip
Official Site: http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/
Synopsis:
Based on over 200 hours of footage , the film provides a candid retelling of the events following the fall of Baghdad in 2003 by high ranking officials such as former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, Ambassador Barbara Bodine (in charge of Baghdad during the Spring of 2003), Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson , former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, and General Jay Garner (in charge of the occupation of Iraq through May 2003), as well as Iraqi civilians, American soldiers and prominent analysts. NO END IN SIGHT examines the manner in which the principal errors of U.S. policy - the use of insufficient troop levels, allowing the looting of Baghdad, the purging of professionals from the Iraqi government and the disbanding of the Iraqi military - largely created the insurgency and chaos that engulf Iraq today.
How did a group of men with little or no military experience, knowledge of the Arab world or personal experience in Iraq come to make such flagrantly debilitating decisions? NO END IN SIGHT dissects the people, issues and facts behind the Bush administration's decisions and their consequences on the ground to provide a powerful look into how arrogance and ignorance turned a military victory into a seemingly endless and deepening nightmare of a war.

The film systematically dissects the Bush administration's Iraq policy decisions and their consequences, which now include 3,000 American deaths and 20,000 American wounded, Iraq on the brink of civil war, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths, the strengthening of Iran, the weakening of the U.S. military and economic costs of over $2 trillion . It marks the first time Americans will be allowed inside the White House, Pentagon and Baghdad's Green Zone to understand for themselves the disintegration of Iraq.
From Owen Gleiberman's ( Entertainment Weekly) coverage of the Sundance Film Festival this year:
"...what I was looking for-questing for-at Sundance this year was a film that had the potential to break out of the festival's hothouse bubble atmosphere and cause a genuine stir, maybe even a minor earthquake in the real world.
I found that film when I saw No End in Sight, a coolheaded, devastating exposé that, with the right handling, could turn out to be An Inconvenient Truth for the Iraq war. Let's be clear: This is no leftist agitprop, no Michael Moore harangue. The director, Charles Ferguson, works with a thirst for history that transcends ideology, as he gets a platoon of Bush officials, from Richard Armitage to Jay Garner to the eloquently outraged former officer of strategic policy Col. Paul Hughes, to go on record about how their advice was trivialized and ignored. As they speak, the film pulls back, like a telescope, to reveal each link in the gasp-inducing chronology of the Bush team's bungling arrogance. No End in Sight leaves you furious at an administration of armchair warriors, yet it offers the catharsis of cold hard truth."
Crooks and Liars Article: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/28/no-end-in-sight-iraq-war-the-movie/
Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huffpost-editors/iraq-documentary-heads-fo_b_53089.html

[kres24GT]

You can't impeach a president because he's a shitty one.

[Kinky Jones]

You can't impeach a president because he's a shitty one.

but you should be able to get rid of him for continually lying to the US citizens (i know we technically can't 'cause the politicians have the whole system rigged for their personal safety from wrongdoing), he just said live an hour or so ago "the same people blowing up stuff in Iraq are the same ones who attacked us at home" so he obviously doesn't listen to his military commanders who know that "al queada in Iraq" is made of Iraqis and that foriegn fighters are less than 10% of the insurgency, or as the Iraqis now call it "The Resistance" and that statistic comes from our military and has stayed steady throughout the war...


i wanna see bush and cheney impeached like they tried to do to Clinton, after they leave office and smear their names so that we never have to worry about the bush new world order power hungry scumbags ever gaining power again, and to force them all under oath to testify and investigate until the cows come home, cost them billions not just millions in legal fees, republicans hate when you take money from them it is what they love more than anything... the US citizens need a win, a symbolic gesture that the reds can block easily will do about as much as all our kick ass non-binding agreements :( I hope we don't get more nixonesque bullshit about not holding a president responsible for being an incompetent, lying scumbag so that the country IE the republican party can move on

[kres24GT]

but you should be able to get rid of him for continually lying to the US citizens (i know we technically can't 'cause the politicians have the whole system rigged for their personal safety from wrongdoing), he just said live an hour or so ago "the same people blowing up stuff in Iraq are the same ones who attacked us at home" so he obviously doesn't listen to his military commanders who know that "al queada in Iraq" is made of Iraqis and that foriegn fighters are less than 10% of the insurgency, or as the Iraqis now call it "The Resistance" and that statistic comes from our military and has stayed steady throughout the war...


i wanna see bush and cheney impeached like they tried to do to Clinton, after they leave office and smear their names so that we never have to worry about the bush new world order power hungry scumbags ever gaining power again, and to force them all under oath to testify and investigate until the cows come home, cost them billions not just millions in legal fees, republicans hate when you take money from them it is what they love more than anything... the US citizens need a win, a symbolic gesture that the reds can block easily will do about as much as all our kick ass non-binding agreements :( I hope we don't get more nixonesque bullshit about not holding a president responsible for being an incompetent, lying scumbag so that the country IE the republican party can move on


If we are going to start impeaching politicians for lying, watch out.

[Kinky Jones]

If we are going to start impeaching politicians for lying, watch out.

Exactly the point, these fuckers should not be able to lie to us, take the guy that just got executed in China for taking bribes, we need some of that in the US just not quite so extreme. Otherwise we are gonna end up with the same shit, just different names on the paychecks over and over and over again like we always do :( we need to start scaring honest politicians into office via getting rid of the crooked and corrupt ones

[Kinky Jones]

basically i have the same kind of thoughts as Bill about getting rid of incumbents but I wanna target 2-4 big names and end their political careers, mcbane and ehr uh kennedy are the first two that come to mind, if people only payed attention to what these idiots are really doing they would be out on their asses in no time but instead they are life long system abusers :banghead:

[kres24GT]

Exactly the point, these fuckers should not be able to lie to us, take the guy that just got executed in China for taking bribes, we need some of that in the US just not quite so extreme. Otherwise we are gonna end up with the same shit, just different names on the paychecks over and over and over again like we always do :( we need to start scaring honest politicians into office via getting rid of the crooked and corrupt ones


I read the story about the guy in China as well. Can you imagine if we had such laws in this country?

[kres24GT]

basically i have the same kind of thoughts as Bill about getting rid of incumbents but I wanna target 2-4 big names and end their political careers, mcbane and ehr uh kennedy are the first two that come to mind, if people only payed attention to what these idiots are really doing they would be out on their asses in no time but instead they are life long system abusers :banghead:


Hillary would be a good one as well, and Jeb Bush if he ever goes into national politics. It's bad enough dealing with political parties and incumbents, now we have to deal with political families as well.


Voting out the incumbents isn't good enough for me. The Parties have too much power, simply voting out their pawns, while a good start, isn't good enough. I'd vote for a socialist or full fledged commie before I voted for a Rep or Dem.

[Kinky Jones]

Hillary would be a good one as well, and Jeb Bush if he ever goes into national politics. It's bad enough dealing with political parties and incumbents, now we have to deal with political families as well.


Voting out the incumbents isn't good enough for me. The Parties have too much power, simply voting out their pawns, while a good start, isn't good enough. I'd vote for a socialist or full fledged commie before I voted for a Rep or Dem.

oh shit Tommy, head to the safe house and lay low for awhile, somebody said the "c" word on your board :D

i don't want Hillary around either much less in the white house... kicking out a few really big and old names is one of the first three steps in my 28 step plan for taking over and then returning the US gov't back to the people like our founding fathers had in mind before I die... i can't believe that there isn't a viable third party these days but then i hate parties so the lean towards independent although still small is a ray of sunshine these days... it's just too bad Americans are way too stupid to realize that a democratic social/communist AKA community gov't would be a great place to live, they don't remember third grade english lessons where the root of a word is the key... capitalism: as in to capitalize on as many of your fellow human beings as possible to get ahead, communism: the community as a whole shares in the spoils, our gov't did a great job of making us as a whole hate the godless, evil commies who just want to nuke us, kinda like now only the evil, allah loving muslims all wanna nuke us... it all goes back to lying to the people to build military spending/go to war for profit :(


i was hanging out with a good friend and his family awhile back and we got on the subject of capitalism and his sister tells me "i love capitalism, it's so great" and then proceeds to tell me she is working 3 jobs and still living at home... fucking brilliant i tell ya :banghead: why do people insist on working for the gov't instead of the other way around in this country? what's that? stupidity? oh yeah forgot about that

and just to stick to thread topic i'm still for impeachment all the way :thumbsup:

[paulm]

Exactly the point, these fuckers should not be able to lie to us, take the guy that just got executed in China for taking bribes, we need some of that in the US just not quite so extreme. Otherwise we are gonna end up with the same shit, just different names on the paychecks over and over and over again like we always do :( we need to start scaring honest politicians into office via getting rid of the crooked and corrupt ones

... but politicians do lie, and on a regular basis. As well, we'll never scare honest people into politics. We might scare them away though while getting a batch in office that can better cover their collective a$$e$.

IMO the time for any impeachment proceedings is past... if there was ever cause to impeach anyway (the House's job...). The current body seems very reluctant to get anything going in that direction

[Kinky Jones]

... but politicians do lie, and on a regular basis. As well, we'll never scare honest people into politics. We might scare them away though while getting a batch in office that can better cover their collective a$$e$.

obviously you can't get rid of lying politicians altogether but the way they are so blatant about it these days drives me nuts, they can tell you the sky is pink and green plaid as long as they aren't under oath in front of themselves :( and I really don't think they can cover their asses more than they already do, but every time I say that well I get proven wrong lol

welcome to Junkies :hi:

[Oldbrad]

Every time i think i see a politician that has morals and seems to tell the truth whether it's for or against their party, they seem to let me down and within a short time begin lying or following the party like sheeple (hope i used my new word right :) ) instead of standing up like they originally did.

I used to respect John Mccain (still do for his military history), but as of the last couple years he has left me dumbfounded.

At least we still have Condy :thumbsup:

Brad

[paulm]

obviously you can't get rid of lying politicians altogether but the way they are so blatant about it these days drives me nuts, they can tell you the sky is pink and green plaid as long as they aren't under oath in front of themselves :( and I really don't think they can cover their asses more than they already do, but every time I say that well I get proven wrong lol

welcome to Junkies :hi:

Amen to that. Way back when... (political science classes) one of the things we were taught was that people didn't get into politics to help the community/state/nation, etc... They got into it to increase/improve their power base/wealth. It seems I have to keep relearning that little lesson:banghead: