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doctordog
09-15-2009, 10:14 PM
President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate

NEW YORK – President Barack Obama's candid thoughts about Kanye West are provoking a debate over standards of journalism in the Twitter age.

ABC News says it was wrong for its employees to tweet that Obama had called West a "jackass" for the rapper's treatment of country singer Taylor Swift. The network said some of its employees had overheard a conversation between the president and CNBC's John Harwood and didn't realize it was considered off the record.

The network apologized to the White House and CNBC.

Harwood had sat down with the president to tape an interview following his appearance on Wall Street on Monday. Although they are competitors, CNBC and ABC share a fiber optic line to save money, and this enabled some ABC employees to listen in on the interview as it was being taped for later use.

Their attention was drawn to chatter about West, who was widely criticized for interrupting Swift as she accepted an award at Sunday's MTV Video Music Awards to say that Beyonce deserved it.

During what sounds like informal banter before the interview begins, Obama is asked whether his daughters were annoyed by West's hijacking of Swift's acceptance statement, according to an audio copy that was posted on TMZ.com.

"I thought that was really inappropriate," Obama says. "What are you butting in (for)? ... The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's getting her award. What's he doing up there?"

A questioner chimes in, "Why would he do it?"

"He's a jackass," Obama replies, which is met with laughter from several people.

The president seems to quickly realize he may have gone too far, and jovially appeals to those assembled that the remark be kept private. "Come on guys," he says. "Cut the president some slack. I've got a lot of other stuff on my plate."

E-mails shot around among ABC employees about Obama's comments, said Jeffrey Schneider, ABC News spokesman. Before anything was reported on ABC's air or Web site, at least three network employees took to Twitter to spread the news.

One was Terry Moran, a former White House correspondent. He logged on to Twitter and typed: "Pres. Obama just called Kanye West a 'jackass' for his outburst at VMAs when Taylor Swift won. Now THAT'S presidential."

When ABC News authorities found out about it, they had the tweets deleted after about an hour, Schneider said. Moran declined a request to comment.

But the news was out.

Harwood said there was no explicit agreement with the president that those comments were off the record. But he said it is broadcast tradition that such pre-interview chatter is considered off the record until the formal interview begins. Harwood is holding to that: He would not discuss what the president said before their interview and has no plans to do so on CNBC.

He said he was aware that it was likely someone outside of CNBC was listening to his conversation with the president.

"It's one of those things that's unfortunate," he said. "But I think it's an honest mistake."

There was no immediate response to requests for comment from White House spokesmen.

Twitter, a technology that's a natural tool for reporters who love to tell people what they know whenever they know it, has raced ahead in usage before many news organizations have developed policies to govern its use, said Richard Wald, a former ABC News executive and professor at Columbia University.

"You need to reinforce the sense that you have to verify before you publish," Wald said. "The policies may be very comprehensive, but they may not be adequate to the technology that news organizations have."

The incident is reminiscent of past "open-mic" incidents involving politicians. President Ronald Reagan, while waiting to make a speech in 1984, joked that he had outlawed the Soviet Union and that "the bombing begins in five minutes." During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush turned to running mate Dick Cheney to point out a reporter from The New York Times and used an obscenity to describe him.

"If you're sitting there with a microphone on, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy," said Kelly McBride, an expert in journalism ethics for the Poynter Institute. "If you're a governor or president, you know that."

She also questioned whether news organizations should be agreeing to go off the record with the president.

Judging by the things written by other Twitter users since West's action, Obama wasn't in the minority, she said.

"The president calling Kanye West a 'jackass' is perfect information for a tweet," she said. "In fact, that's the ideal format. You can do it in 140 characters. There's not much else to say."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_obama_tweet

No wonder he needs a teleprompter to speak, he can't even realize a non issue and fucks up yet again.

bairdi
09-15-2009, 10:23 PM
It seems to me that you are scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel to find something to bitch about concerning Obama. If he had said that he would not comment on the whole West thing, you would have bitched about that. Give it a rest already.

doctordog
09-15-2009, 10:26 PM
It seems to me that you are scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel to find something to bitch about concerning Obama. If he had said that he would not comment on the whole West thing, you would have bitched about that. Give it a rest already.

I happen to agree with him, West is a jackass, but considering what happened with the Professor and the Policeman not that long ago you would have thought an educated man such as our President would have remembered that sting and refrained from saying anything. Another lesson learned by the junior senator that became President.

Zebulon0351
09-15-2009, 10:48 PM
I happen to agree with him, West is a jackass, but considering what happened with the Professor and the Policeman not that long ago you would have thought an educated man such as our President would have remembered that sting and refrained from saying anything. Another lesson learned by the junior senator that became President.

Ehhh.. yeah, he probably shouldn't have said that, even though it was obviously an informal interview.. but anyone that wants to make this an issue is just as big of a jackass.

bairdi
09-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Ehhh.. yeah, he probably shouldn't have said that, even though it was obviously an informal interview.. but anyone that wants to make this an issue is just as big of a jackass.
I agree with you completely Zeb.

John Galt
09-15-2009, 10:56 PM
I happen to agree with him, West is a jackass, but considering what happened with the Professor and the Policeman not that long ago you would have thought an educated man such as our President would have remembered that sting and refrained from saying anything. Another lesson learned by the junior senator that became President.
Apples/Oranges.

As mentioned already, this was an off camera comment.

The former was a bit of a rush to judgement, about an overzealous cop, and an oversensitive black man, who probably should've clammed up a lot earlier.

MintJulep
09-15-2009, 11:08 PM
Ehhh.. yeah, he probably shouldn't have said that, even though it was obviously an informal interview..I thought it was pretty funny myself. :D

Life_Long_Dem!
09-15-2009, 11:11 PM
BIG non issue...WHO cares that he called west a jackass! west himself knows he was in the wrong and would probably agree with Obama so whats the point of this post?

Captain Obvious
09-15-2009, 11:15 PM
The O'bama could have dropped the N-bomb on him.

doctordog
09-16-2009, 06:02 AM
Ehhh.. yeah, he probably shouldn't have said that, even though it was obviously an informal interview.. but anyone that wants to make this an issue is just as big of a jackass.

Heard any playing the race card lately or are you still not seeing them?:lmao2:

GetAClue
09-16-2009, 02:28 PM
Actually, I have to give Obama a pass on this one. I really don't care for the man or his politics, but he is human and deserves to have a private conversation that is not open for discussion by everyone else. Based on the information in the article, this should have been one of those moments. The fact that some in the room choose to ignore this bit of decorum says more about their lack of professionalism than Obama's.

Life_Long_Dem!
09-16-2009, 02:56 PM
Actually, I have to give Obama a pass on this one. I really don't care for the man or his politics, but he is human and deserves to have a private conversation that is not open for discussion by everyone else. Based on the information in the article, this should have been one of those moments. The fact that some in the room choose to ignore this bit of decorum says more about their lack of professionalism than Obama's.
WOW! I cant believe I am saying this but I completely agree with you. The man has a right to his opinion and most agree with him on this...have not heard even ON negative at all from those commenting on this, and for Wayers to even bring it up as a possible issue...which it is not shows the lengths to which some will go to criticize the man.

Binky
09-16-2009, 03:14 PM
I happen to agree with him, West is a jackass, but considering what happened with the Professor and the Policeman not that long ago you would have thought an educated man such as our President would have remembered that sting and refrained from saying anything. Another lesson learned by the junior senator that became President.


:lmao2: :lmao2: I would think that "sting" would've stayed with him awhile. Sometimes it's better to move about ones life keeping ones mouth shut......:lmao2:

Binky
09-16-2009, 03:17 PM
Ehhh.. yeah, he probably shouldn't have said that, even though it was obviously an informal interview.. but anyone that wants to make this an issue is just as big of a jackass.


From one human to another, in todays world, there is no such thing as "an informal interview." :lmao2: :lmao2: When the mouth is opened, there is always going to be somebody, somewhere to spread the wealth of the verbage that comes out.....:lmao2:

Zebulon0351
09-16-2009, 03:25 PM
From one human to another, in todays world, there is no such thing as "an informal interview." :lmao2: :lmao2: When the mouth is opened, there is always going to be somebody, somewhere to spread the wealth of the verbage that comes out.....:lmao2:

I agree. My point still stands though

Binky
09-16-2009, 05:03 PM
I agree. My point still stands though



:lmao2: :lmao2: As I knew it would.....:D

nobull
09-16-2009, 05:33 PM
One was Terry Moran, a former White House correspondent. He logged on to Twitter and typed: "Pres. Obama just called Kanye West a 'jackass' for his outburst at VMAs when Taylor Swift won. Now THAT'S presidential."

When ABC News authorities found out about it, they had the tweets deleted after about an hour, Schneider said. Moran declined a request to comment.

As a member of the elite White House Press Corp, I hope Terry Moran doesn't sit around wondering why he might not get called upon the next time Obama gives a press conference.

That said, Kanye West IS a jackass, and everyone thinks so. Why shouldn't the president?

foxbaron
09-16-2009, 06:26 PM
The day he spoke those words should go down in the history books.

"THE DAY THE PRESIDENT SPOKE THE TRUTH"


It is about the only time he has. Let's give him credit for it.

Mason66
09-17-2009, 01:42 AM
It sounds to me like he was answering like a father of 2 small girls and not the President.

I don't see how anybody could see what that loser West did and call him anything but a Jackass.

I just hope he isignored by his peers now and he drops from sight.

Mason66
09-17-2009, 01:43 AM
BIG non issue...WHO cares that he called west a jackass! west himself knows he was in the wrong and would probably agree with Obama so whats the point of this post?

Wherew did you get the idea West knew what he did was wrong? Do you have a link for that?

I just can't believe he knows. He has done crap like this before.

I will be waiting anxiously for that link.

John Galt
09-17-2009, 07:24 AM
Wherew did you get the idea West knew what he did was wrong? Do you have a link for that?

I just can't believe he knows. He has done crap like this before.

I will be waiting anxiously for that link.
Um....I believe his second apology in the same week would serve as evidence.

Mason66
09-17-2009, 12:01 PM
Um....I believe his second apology in the same week would serve as evidence.

Kanye West apologized? I must have missed that. Kind of hard to believe.

John Galt
09-17-2009, 12:55 PM
Kanye West apologized? I must have missed that. Kind of hard to believe.
Yep...twice. I believe the first time was on his website, and I thought I read that he apologized again in person?

bairdi
09-17-2009, 01:04 PM
Yep...twice. I believe the first time was on his website, and I thought I read that he apologized again in person?
He apologized on Jay Leno the other night too. I believe he was quite sincere in his apology. He screwed up and he knows it.

nobull
09-17-2009, 04:09 PM
Kanye West apologized? I must have missed that. Kind of hard to believe.

I can't believe people can't just look it up. Google "Kanye West apologizes" and here's what you get:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Kanye+West+apologizes&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en

foxbaron
09-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Why the hell does anybody even care?