"securing the oil"

[Kinky Jones]

does anybody really believe that we went in to get oil? i don't buy it, and it would seem that we never actually had a plan to secure it seeing the way things have gone... i guess maybe most US citizens stopped watching after we strolled into Baghdad and dubya finally put on his flight suit to "end all major combat" but once we got there we did nothing to protect the oil, we couldn't even keep the Iraqis from tearing apart the whole country via looting (good call rummy!), and still to this day NO OIL REVENUE to speak of, and while life in Iraq wasn't near perfect right after we went in there was a period of time after the fall of Baghdad where it was relativley peaceful and the Iraqis waited and waited for us to fix things but we never did it, instead we disbanded the military, the entire gov't because Sadam was evil and therefore everybody in the Iraqi gov't was evil, and we pulled out our major combat forces real quick, my lil bro and my handful of devil dogs were home for Memorial Day 2003, and some of them are still pissed that they didn't get to finish what they started (one of my boys did like three tours of private security to make cash, but then he was Gun 1 and labeled as "crazy" long before he got to Iraq :) ) so was there really a plan to get oil? if there was it was the worst plan ever, right up there with "we will be greeted as liberators" and ever single other step up the way... "securing the oil" is just the latest in the line of BS excuses the bush admin thinks we stupid public should believe in... especially when you factor in the whole Turkey not allowing us to launch 1/3 of our troop force thru their country and yet we still went in ASAP, was the oil gonna get up and walk away? or were the inspectors gonna go in and prove to the world that we already whipped Sadam once and he wasn't a fucking moron who was gonna fuck with us again?

sorry ya'll, I fell off the wagon, if ur sick of my posts move to Tajikistan :hi:

[Bill]

I've always said that it was always about getting power over the oil.

Just because their plan was dumb doesn't mean it wasn't the plan. Everything they've done, that wasn't a political dirty trick plotted by rove, has been dumb.

Getting rights to the Iraqi oil is an OPEC-killer. It's a strategic move, intended to secure military power and huge future profits for the corporations. It's not about getting oil to the american people - the american people just thought it was.

[stefan segal]

My recollection of this invasion had Wolfowitz singing to us about Iraqi oil paying for everything and then some. I also recall the videos of our troops securing those oil fields and mechanicals...unlike thier handling of museums and other national and world treasures...which they, like Kinky stated, spectated while iraquis looted and destroyed.

I believe all that has been stated on this thread to be true, but of course not the only truth, as there are many heads to an operation such as attacking a soverign nation like Iraq.

The financial promis of oil is one of the most obvious...and as Bill points out, it may only be for control of the resource rather than profitting the US.

A more major and pressing financial concern was Sadam's switching his reserves to euros in place of dollars. This major holder/suoplier ( not so large in the supply aspect since bush 1 constrictions), would set the stage for a dual currency market or even havining the dollar surplanted by the euro as the currency of all oil exchange.

If this were allowed to occur, the dollar would tank and so would the economy of our country.

To the neocons, there needed a lesson to others considering switching off the dollar...and 'shock and awe', was their proper instrument. (There was/is their need to punish coupled with ther joy in measuring the effacacy of their new weaponry)

To those who concern themselves with the Large game, that the middle East controls our energy needs and has been in such turmoil and strife for all history, was their geophsical motive to crack their lock and stunt the growing power of opec.

So there are many reasons for this attack on iraq...it all depends upon who you source your information which truth will be your truth.

Stefan

[Kinky Jones]

i don't think the plan was dumb, there was no plan... I know what they told us about the oil paying us back but well it ain't happening... if we secured the oil infrastructure 4 yrs ago and spent billions and billions to "rebuild" then why is no oil coming out? oil is a red herring, they don't need oil to make money they are war profiteering via the taxpayers bank accounts and it is the easiest money they could ever hope to find... Haliburton, Blackwater, and the list goes on and on... does anybody really believe the bush cabinet cares about securing oil for the country or people? where to hell is all our money going? it doesn't even leave the states, just goes from the gov't to private contractors with high up connections... bush screamed "gimme the money we need to give it to the troops" so when the dems did, and tried to give our troops a little extra (.5%) bush said no... why would he do that if he supports them? becuase that .5% would come at the expense of somebody's profits... they are making so much money from bombs, bullets, and machinery that they don't give a shit about the oil right now, they will wrap up the no bid underhanded contracts after they exasperate the will of the US taxpayers

you really think we had a plan to secure the oil fields? there were plenty of photo ops, it goes along with our gov't putting a reporter in every hummer, APC, and tank we had over there... but now of course it's the media's fault the war is going badly :lmao2: hell we even went in without 1/3 of our force, remember the whole "fuck you USA, fuck you" from Turkey and the 3rd ID having to go in weeks later after sailing around to Kuwait?

i know that oil coporations will make money on the whole mess but it is just a side effect imo, follow the money that has already been spent, along with the amount of prgress we are making over there... we build shanty building, and call them schools but if you want books, paper, and pencils for the kids you gotta donate to charity to get them there :(

[Bill]

I think you are underestimating the strategic importance of that oil.

But, nothing but time will tell.

If you assume that the oil corporations believe that there is less good oil left on the planet than they have claimed, seizing control of the last remaining known superfield of light sweet crude now, while they can, becomes a move with literally civilization-shatttering implications.

If we are still there, in our massive new bases and fortified embassy, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, then it will have been about strategically seizing control of the oil.

If we pull out and abandon everything, it will have just been an ordinary stickup, a corporate orgy of stealing.

We'll know in a certain number of years. My bet is we will still be there, hunkered down, 50 soldier deaths a month, guarding fortified oil fields and infrastructure, letting the iraqis kill each other while we provide protection for the corporations.